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Life Expectancy Set To Hit 90 In South Korea, Study Predicts (nature.com)

According to a study published in the journal The Lancet, researchers have predicted that South Korea will likely become the first country where the average life expectancy will exceed 90 years. The researchers led by public-health researcher Majid Ezzati at Imperial College London used data from the World Health Organization and a suite of 21 statistical models they developed to figure out how life expectancy will change in 35 developed countries by 2030. Nature reports: Life expectancy is expected to increase in all 35 countries, in keeping with steady progress in recent decades, the team found. But it is South Korean women who will be living longest by 2030: there is a nearly 60% chance that their life expectancy at birth will exceed 90 years by that time, the team calculates. Girls born in the country that year can expect to live, on average, to nearly 91, and boys to 84, the highest in the world for both sexes. The nation's rapid improvement in life expectancy -- the country was ranked twenty-ninth for women in 1985 -- is probably down to overall improvements in economic status and child nutrition, the study notes, among other factors. South Koreans also have relatively equal access to health care, lower blood pressure than people in Western countries and low rates of smoking among women. As for the United States, the life expectancy is "predicted to be among the lowest of these countries by 2030; 80 for men (similar to the Czech Republic) and 83 for women (similar to Mexico)."

108 comments

  1. Ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You forget who has the bomb. A dozen of them. I've been there. Trump would be happy there.

  2. The US ranks with Mexico? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    and 83 for women (similar to Mexico)

    That's because most of Mexico is already here in the United States working illegally.

    1. Re:The US ranks with Mexico? by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well somebody has to because work is below most americans and stuff has to get done.

    2. Re: The US ranks with Mexico? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Nah, it's because the rich don't want to pay Americans what they're worth. They'd rather import illegals to work for $5/hour cash and ignore the labor laws, safety laws, overtime laws, etc. It's pure selfishness as well as disgust at the vile deplorable American people. It ain't ordinary folks who benefit from illegals.

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    3. Re: The US ranks with Mexico? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right because "ordinary folks" don't shop at supermarkets, eat at restaurants, drive on city streets, get their cars repaired, live in a house or apartment, or go to the hospital.

      I'd suggest you don't understand how many immigrants to the US work in these areas of retail, construction, and services. They aren't all picking fruits and vegetables and mowing lawns.

    4. Re: The US ranks with Mexico? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Illegals cannot, by definition, work legally. Thus they can be paid under minimum wage, be abused, be unable to communicate with the OSHA inspector, etc. It's an awful situation and we need to help these people get back home.

    5. Re: The US ranks with Mexico? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the vast majority work in agriculture and construction

    6. Re:The US ranks with Mexico? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's fucking awesome. Why do you ask?

    7. Re: The US ranks with Mexico? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, a little over 100 years ago most of the US used to be part of Mexico, but we won some wars and took it. Texas was the US's version of Crimea. And California, our Yugoslavia.

    8. Re:The US ranks with Mexico? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2

      Yes, I agree with you. There are some jobs Americans find so loathsome and beneath their dignity they would not do it no matter how much you pay them. Most agricultural, seasonal and fast food work does not fall into that category. But I concede there are a very small number of such jobs that Americans find it beneath them. Like marrying pervert billionaires, you have import their wives from some eastern European countries.

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    9. Re: The US ranks with Mexico? by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      Nah, it's because the rich don't want to pay Americans what they're worth. They'd rather import illegals to work for $5/hour cash and ignore the labor laws, safety laws, overtime laws, etc. It's pure selfishness as well as disgust at the vile deplorable American people. It ain't ordinary folks who benefit from illegals.

      You are worth what your job and output are worth, economically speaking. No more, no less.

    10. Re:The US ranks with Mexico? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a white guy from Michigan, and I'll do those jobs. I'm not sure if a pervert billionaire will marry me.

    11. Re: The US ranks with Mexico? by currently_awake · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If a job has so little value that only illegal workers from Mexico can do it, then that job has already been exported to Mexico. Except that American taxpayers are covering the bills (police, school for kids etc). America would be better off just making it official and let Mexico have those jobs directly (no more subsidies etc).

    12. Re: The US ranks with Mexico? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tell that to my slaves. They are only worth $100 at market, if they fight, the overseer will replace them...painfully.

    13. Re:The US ranks with Mexico? by hey! · · Score: 2

      Actually the number of Mexicans in the US has been dropping for years. That's because for years US politicians have been intent on turning us into a low-wage, non-industrialized nation run by and for an economic elite.

      What's there to choose? They might as well go home.

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    14. Re:The US ranks with Mexico? by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      You realize it's what people used to call an "Iron Curtain", right?

      Look at Trump's policies carefully, which part of them doesn't look like old-style Communist Russia?

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    15. Re: The US ranks with Mexico? by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      So that the Playstation Generation can do all that work? Construction, cleaning, picking cotton, etc.

      It'll make good reality TV, that's for sure. I can't wait to see their tears.

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    16. Re:The US ranks with Mexico? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do not support the wall but one important difference - iron curtain kept people in

    17. Re: The US ranks with Mexico? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, we need Mexicans here to do the work americans are too lazy to do, such as picking produce, mowing John McCain's lawns, and pulling his weeds. Americans will not do these things. Those stupid cocksuckers are just shooting themselves in the foot. Butt fucking themselves and don't even know it.

    18. Re:The US ranks with Mexico? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      No, it's more like Hadrian's Wall or the Great Wall of China. The purpose it to keep out the barbarians.

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    19. Re:The US ranks with Mexico? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here is the payload finally, you all fools. Down to Mexico, and it is not Japanese but Koreans who have been making all the fuss. Next thing you will know is Europeans are sooo inferior... they all die young... Life expectancy here is not 80 but less than forty for females. As if I did not know.

    20. Re:The US ranks with Mexico? by syntotic · · Score: 1

      It has been agreed the China Wall was meant to hinder invaders on their way out, not protected to keep them out. It does ring... Chinese thinking.

  3. Not if your named Kim-Jong-Nam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. Re:Not if your named Kim-Jong-Nam by maroberts · · Score: 4, Funny

      Life expectancy for North Koreans in Malaysian airports is much shorter.

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    2. Re:Not if your named Kim-Jong-Nam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With 5000 tons of VX nerve gas in artillery shells pointed at you, I wouldn't want to be a southern neighbour of Kim-Cabbage-Head.

  4. Expectancy of expectancy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nearly 60% chance that their life expectancy at birth will exceed 90 years

    What sense does it make to calculate the chance of the expected value being in a certain range? Isn't this one level of indirection too many? How is this mathematically different from the chance at birth that they will live 90 years or longer?

    1. Re:Expectancy of expectancy? by Imrik · · Score: 2

      This is a prediction of life expectancy for people that haven't been born yet.

    2. Re:Expectancy of expectancy? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      This is like a "confidence level", commonly used in statistics.

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  5. I think they predicted Hillary would win election by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    And continue to flood the US with low-life-expectancy illegal aliens, bringing their diseases and drug addictions and drugs. And cartel killings and honor killings and poor hygiene. They may need to modify their models. And account for the higher drug prices coming to the rest of the world...

  6. Is this the same group that failed in their last 5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    predictions in this area? Well, at least they keep trying.

  7. Best Korea Wins! by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Funny

    How much do you want to bet that North Korea releases a report of their own stating that life expectancy in their country now exceeds 95 years, only exceeded by their glorious leader, who is expected to live for two centuries?

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    1. Re:Best Korea Wins! by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unfortunately, due to NK's presence, SK life expectancy (on average) may well be below 90 in a not so far future.

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    2. Re:Best Korea Wins! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And in the same press conference, the glorious leader rips off his fat suit and peels off the retard mask, to reveal ... Richard Simmons.

    3. Re:Best Korea Wins! by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      The "dear leader" isn't so dear and will be lucky to survive the next five years.

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  8. I know a 90 and in excellent health for a 90 yo by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 2

    and it still sucks

    1. Re:I know a 90 and in excellent health for a 90 yo by javilon · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. Most people don't like the idea of living that many years in poor health, limited and frail. But the current situation is we patch the problems that come with age and keep people alive.

      On the other hand, if you look at the SENS strategy (http://www.sens.org), what they are trying to achieve is to revert the damage that age inflicts on people, so you live in good health and active and strong. What is important here is to increase the "healthspan". If lifespan is increased it is good too.

      Please support SENS.

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    2. Re:I know a 90 and in excellent health for a 90 yo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no teeth! enough said.

    3. Re:I know a 90 and in excellent health for a 90 yo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they should work on that first. You can be 90, in good health and active (for a 90 year old), but you're still going to be in a lot of pain all the time that will never go away, eat more pills than you do food, most things on your body will be broken and your life will consist of waking up, have someone change your diaper, take a nap, eat creamed rice, take a nap, watch tv about things that are completely foreign to you, take a nap, go to a funeral, take a nap, change your diaper, take a nap, eat creamed rice. take a nap, go to sleep, wake up to pee, go back to sleep. Repeat until you die..

    4. Re:I know a 90 and in excellent health for a 90 yo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, it's so rare to find a Slashdotter that's for life extension. It's refreshing and encouraging!

    5. Re:I know a 90 and in excellent health for a 90 yo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please support SENS.

      System Entertainment Nintendo Super... You will be young again!

  9. Calculating age by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Let's not forget that in South Korea, you are considered to be 1 year old on the day you are born and your age increases by 1 on January 1st regardless of your date of birth. The average 5-year-old South Korean is 1.5 years younger than the average 5-year-old American.

    While this has probably been accounted for, I wouldn't be so bold as to put such an oversight past today's "scientists".

    1. Re:Calculating age by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So? How does incrementing everyone's age on 1 January differ significantly from the ancient practice of simply counting the number of winters a person has survived.

    2. Re:Calculating age by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. Korean way of counting is not "ancient practice of simply counting the number of winters a person has survived" Educate yourself. Korean way of doing it is that they recognise life starts already in the womb (9 months is a lot longer than 0 year !!)

    3. Re:Calculating age by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone on Earth is 9 1/2 months younger than they look. Age is recorded at birth, not inception.

    4. Re:Calculating age by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're seriously going to cite "ancient practice" as a reasonable validation in this case? Wow. Just wow.

      These are the kind of slackjaw armchair "Science!" morons that think they have a leg up on Joe Sixpack.

    5. Re:Calculating age by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except in Korea, where it's not.

  10. Don't worry ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... once Steve Bannon has picked his fight and become the glorious general his inner boy has always wanted to be, the Korean life expectancy problem will solve itself. If we're lucky the armageddon might even be nuclear!

    1. Re:Don't worry ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry because the Internet is built to survive Nuclear War, all of the parts used to build the Internet are manufactured in China, and all of the real work of the Information Age is done in India. After the United States becomes a radioactive wasteland, the Indians and the Chinese will finally be able to stop pretending to serve American masters who are completely irrelevant even today.

  11. Pension Fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Japan already had documented cases of the life expectancy being inflated by family members hiding the death of their elders to continue collecting their money. While an improvement in life expectancy would be nice we have to be on the look out for greed.

    1. Re:Pension Fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How else are hikikomori expected to live after their parents die? It's not like they can find work, when they can't leave the house, and crippling social anxiety prevents them from becoming highly paid youtube celebrities.

  12. Not a surprise by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

    since SK's Samsung stopped selling the Note 7

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    1. Re:Not a surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol. #epic tell me this report again when DPNK advertises a prank television show :-/

  13. Does study account for fan death? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's the life expectancy in Korea if you control for people who sleep with fans running overnight?

    p.s. Yes, you and I both know that "fan death" is codespeak for suicide, but try explaining that to millions of Koreans who believe the myth that fans kill people in their sleep.

  14. The inevitable unPC response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So is the Korean diet the next hot thing? Dogs beware....

    1. Re:The inevitable unPC response by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      So, is the bark worse than the bite?

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  15. No big deal by Laxator2 · · Score: 1

    On Aurora and Solaria life expectancy has hit 350 and nobody seems to worry about it.

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  17. Re:I think they predicted Hillary would win electi by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    "And account for the higher drug prices coming to the rest of the world..."

    No, drug prices in the US will fall to the open-market prices in the rest of the world.

  18. If it wasn't for the draft... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    ...Serbia, along with the rest of the Balkans, would be much higher on that graph. Way above the USA. Not just below it.
    Promaya kills.

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  19. will max lifespan ever cross 120 though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems like with all of the advances in medicine, and increases in average life span/life expectancy, we are just asymptotically approaching 120. And 120 has pretty much been the max since the beginning of recorded human history (Genesis 6:3). Spiritual belief/source aside, it does seem to be a fairly hard number/boundary that has existed for a pretty long time.

    1. Re:will max lifespan ever cross 120 though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Noah lived to 950, Methuselah to 969. Moses lived on to a mere 120.

    2. Re:will max lifespan ever cross 120 though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right but both of those were BEFORE the 120 limit.

  20. Re:If it wasn't for the draft (Balkans War) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > If it wasn't for the draft ... Serbia, along with the rest of the Balkans, would be much higher on that graph

    In english, draft also means compulsory military service, a kind of conscription-lottery hybrid. In that regard, please note that Serbia and the rest of the Balkans, was involved in a massive civil war during the entire 1990s era, associated with the british-sponsored forcibly dismantling of Yugoslavia. Literally millions were drafted to arms, fought and hundreds of thousands died, including soldiers, militants and entire cities of civilians. That armageddon really shortened the life expectancy of Balkans for generations to come.

    (BTW, nobody really knows why the Brits and the Vatican, a weird ad-hoc master/minion pair, allied themselves with catholic croat nationalists to dismantle the orthodox, ethnic serbian dominated Yugoslavian federation. Maybe London did that to weaken the french, since Paris was traditionally strongly linked to the "non-moscovite" socialist republics of Yugoslavia and Romania, both economically and militarily. But maybe it was just the work of London freemasonry, wanting to cause carnage to please their Osiris-Lucifer idol with blood sacrifice?)

  21. It is a dog's life. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 0

    I think it is their diet. Who would have thunk eating dogs and cabbages improves longevity?

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    1. Re:It is a dog's life. by dcw3 · · Score: 2

      While dog (Kaygogi) is eaten, it's rather uncommon. I lived there for six years, and only came across it once when my landlord invited me to their elderly grandmother's birthday.

      I haven't read the article, but my knee-jerk reaction to the headline is disbelief. Korea is highly polluted, with a very large smoking population, and tuberculosis was much more common there than in the US. Many homes are heated using "Ondal", a form of charcoal, smoking out into the open air. Of the roughly 50 countries I've been to, Korea had the worst drivers...Wikipedia shows 18.2 fatalities/billion km...the U.S. has 7.3 in comparison. The country also has a habit of hiding issues...they refused to admit there were any cases of AIDS for quite a while.

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  22. Work isn't below most Americans... by DeplorableCodeMonkey · · Score: 0

    Lower skilled Americans cannot compete with people who are happy to make half the prevailing wage for a job. Even some of the skilled sectors like construction are hit hard these days. A job that an American would want $20/hour to do can easily be run down to $8-$10 by an illegal.

    Maybe you're fine with that. Maybe you're a libertarian who thinks that no one owes that worker a decent, prevailing wage that is protected from third world mass competition. Alright, so you don't give a damn about his well-being, don't complain if he returns the favor and won't even piss on you if you're on fire, begging for help.

  23. I attribute this to esport by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    real sports lead to tons of injuries and high insurance costs. esports is safe and strengthens your brain which is important in this age.

  24. So, America might have a lower life expectancy.. by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 4, Funny

    So, America might have a lower life expectancy but we make it up by weighing three times as much. If you use "pound-years" as a metric, America on average is probably more than triple Koreans.

  25. It's the suburbs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many commentors here are making dumb/borderline racist jokes to cope with this news. The truth is that modern American suburbs promote physically unhealthy lifestyles. You drive everywhere and stay cooped up in the house watching Netflix. The commercial streets are lined with restaurants selling junk food packed with preservatives. It's literally sickening.

    I wish I could convince my wife to move.

    1. Re:It's the suburbs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I wish I could convince my wife to move.

      Start slowly. Take her Cheetos and put them on the other side of the room. Getting off the couch in the first place is always the hardest bit.

    2. Re:It's the suburbs... by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      The suburbs I grew up in didn't have Netflix...but then I grew up before the internet. Our nearest fast food place was a couple miles away, and we had a baseball field at the end of our street where my friends and I used to play ball. We spent more of our waking hours outside than in. I'd typically put 1000 miles on my bicycle during the summer.

      So, while you may blame the 'burbs, I'd argue that it's a generational issue.

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  26. Fan death by HalAtWork · · Score: 3, Funny

    That's what the rest of the world gets for not taking fan death seriously!

    1. Re:Fan death by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      I wanted to mod you either +1 funny or +1 informative, but instead decided to post instead.

      My first thought was "who's killing sports fans in Korea?" as I remembered a story about a stadium with robot audiences there.

      Then I googled the phrase and found immediate hits (p'raps previous /.'s like me looking it up primed google's cache).

      So I thought that it maybe was related to the warnings about their charcoal stoves and heating. When I was in SK in a previous millennium we were seriously briefed about keeping good ventilation because charcoal fumes were the major cause of accidental death.

      Anyways, according to the font of all knowledge apparently the superstition goes almost as far back as the introduction of electric fans in Korea, in the early 1900's.

      Yoboseo

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    2. Re:Fan death by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

      Haha interesting, I would have never thought of sports fans killing each other... Sad to find out that is real and causes actual death. That takes the concept of sore winners and sore losers much too far.

  27. Re:If it wasn't for the draft (Balkans War) by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    maybe it was just the work of London freemasonry, wanting to cause carnage to please their Osiris-Lucifer idol with blood sacrifice?

    Thank God I read to the end of your post and its chillingly rational explanation of the Balkans Conflict. Until now I thought it had something to do with the collapse of communism in Eastern Europe and the explosion of long-standing ethnic and religious conflicts hitherto suppressed under the rule of Tito.

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  28. Re:So, America might have a lower life expectancy. by currently_awake · · Score: 0

    I wonder how much of the difference is due to High Fructose Corn Syrup? That stuff will kill you (in excess).

  29. Cue "in Korea" jokes by elgatozorbas · · Score: 1

    But will they be using email?

    1. Re:Cue "in Korea" jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Breaking News: In 2030 email servers will be overloaded with links to cat videos.

    2. Re:Cue "in Korea" jokes by Heathren-bert · · Score: 1

      In Korea only old people live to be 90.

  30. Cause and Effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is directly attributable to which nations have a functional Universal Healthcare System and which do not.
    Mexico has a dismal Universal System, the US has none (ACA is Private/Public Insurance, not Universal.)

    1. Re:Cause and Effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you mean national or universal?

  31. Re: It's the poverty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And the unwillingness to do anything about it, and the delusion that any and all measure to slow down the fall of everyone but the super-rich into poverty will ruin America.

  32. Re:If it wasn't for the draft (Balkans War) by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    Hm, there's doesn't seem to be a "...the fuck?" moderation, so I guess I'll save that point for another discussion.

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  33. Re:So, America might have a lower life expectancy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most things in excess will kill you. Even water.

  34. Re:So, America might have a lower life expectancy. by hey! · · Score: 1

    Why single out one cause, when there's obviously many.

    Take food. I live near a supermarket that is probably three times the size of the one my parents went to, but the produce section is smaller, the meat and dairy sections about the same size. The surplus acreage is taken up with cheap, calorie dense, no-preparation convenience food.

    Or the fact that Amercians spend more time in cars than they used to, on average over 290 hours a year.

    Here's another interesting fact: research shows that the portion size you choose is positively correlated to the size of the package you serve yourself from; this doesn't happen consciously, it's just that a cup of cereal from a 9 ounce box appears like a lot more than a cup of cereal from a 21 oz box.

    The huge sizes are driven in part by an attempt to cut down on trips to the grocery store. American home kitchens are the largest in the world, and most of that is needed for storage because we don't do very much food preparation.

    So if there's a single root cause it's the pursuit (sometimes failed) of efficiency; we have the wealth to try to reduce labor and time spent doing things, but our bodies are designed to spend time doing things.

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  35. With "global warming" and over population by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    You'd think scientist would be pushing for LOWERING the lifespan of humans...well, the "right" humans that is. The so called "smart" people would be exempt from it of course.

    1. Re:With "global warming" and over population by WrongMonkey · · Score: 1

      Longevity is not correlated with overpopulation. Most of the countries with over population problems are among those with the lowest life expectancy and vice versa.

    2. Re:With "global warming" and over population by XXongo · · Score: 1

      You'd think scientist would be pushing for LOWERING the lifespan of humans...

      I'm not sure why you would think this. In general, scientists are not assholes, despite what the blogosphere would have you believe.

      I can't assert that about Slashdot commenters, on the other hand.

    3. Re:With "global warming" and over population by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      plenty of scientists and engineers are "assholes" and are engaged in work that shortens human life. think harder about all the products that shorten human life, ruin environment, enable war for power and profit rather than defense, etc.

  36. Re:If it wasn't for the draft (Balkans War) by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    I don't know why you "blame" brits and the Vatican.

    The now separated states declared independence from "Yugoslavia". And the "Great Serbien Reich" had nothing better to do than to attack the states and draw them _all_ or in other words, each of them, into a full scale war with atrocities over atrocities.

    The only ones who where lucky were the Slovenians who basically did first what the Serbs did in the other countries: they put all Serbian troops in mainly Slovenian barracks into prison, surrounded the mainly Serbien barracks and gave an ultimatum: "you leave, your weapons stay, or we kill you". Originally most barracks had Serbian and Slovenian troops mixed as they both belonged to the same "nation"/"army". But during the forming of the individual (first federal and later independent) states the Serbs who were in charge of the army, tried to set up barracks with mainly Serbian forces.

    Only a few mostly Serbian barracks started fights, the war was over in 10 days, see wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    The other states where not that smart, because there the Serbs did the same tactics as the Slovenians above, but did not give an ultimatum, they just started the killing everywhere.

    And then the slaughtering of ethnic groups amoung themselves started, especially in Bosnia.

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  37. US Life Expectancy is 91.9 years by hey! · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you're a woman in the top 1% by income. If you're a man in the top 1% it's 88.8 years.

    If you're middle class you live about 78.3 years if you're a man, which is big step up from 1980, probably because of smoking. If you're a woman you live 79.7 years, a decline of a few months since 1980.

    Now if you're a poor your life expectancy has declined since 1980, to 76.1 for men and 78.3 for women.

    So here's the picture: if you're rich, medical advances since 1980 have increased your expected lifespan by about seven years. But those advances haven't had any effect on middle class lifespans. If you're poor you apparently are having difficulty paying for medical care at all, which is not surprising because health care costs have consistently outpaced inflation since the mid-70s. If you're a working poor American health care inflation meant you basically screwed by the 2000s: you were too rich for Medicaid, to poor to avoid medical care.

    One more thing: US has a GINI coefficient (measure of income disparity) of 45. That's the highest in the industrialized world, and much higher than it's low point of 34 in 1969. Basically all of the income growth sicne 1990 have gone to the top quintile, in fact the lion's share to the top 5%. People at the 80th percentile by income and below have seen basically zero income growth when adjusted for inflation. And since health care inflation rises faster than inflation, it means 80% of the the US has seen a cut in its disposable income.

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    1. Re:US Life Expectancy is 91.9 years by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      So.......how much of that is due to smoking and diet, and how much due to healthcare?

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    2. Re:US Life Expectancy is 91.9 years by hey! · · Score: 1

      About 1/3, according to statisticians.

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    3. Re:US Life Expectancy is 91.9 years by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Wow, nice, you actually know. I didn't expect that.

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  38. BS, and more BS by s.petry · · Score: 2

    Not that long ago most of the "jobs American's won't do" were done exactly by Americans. Simple labor was done by high school kids (with record low labor participation rates today), Students on break from College (also record low labor participation), or entry level jobs for people not sure what to do with their careers (now mostly unemployed).

    Employers given the ability to pay illegal workers less money and work them more hours has led to a lack of entry level and low level jobs. Why would a farmer hire young adults, especially considering the restrictions the State puts on workers below 18 and pay minimum wage? Why pay them more than minimum wage even if they are extremely productive? They won't, because they can get more labor at less money and not have to worry about anyone from State looking at how they treat labor.

    To your last point: "ME" is the most important thing in many relationships, not "WE". That message and value has been preached by both 2nd and 3rd wave feminists since the 70s. Feminists 3rd wave has been so vocal that we now have groups of MGTOWS, massive low rates of marriage, low birthrate (which to many is the point of those movements), and a society growing more and more immoral/degenerate. Further, you can't be so foolish as to not understand that gold diggers exist. Unfortunately this means that if you want old fashioned family values, it may be easier to import them. Your slight is a troll.

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  39. Re:E-mail safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Came here for this.

    Not disappointed.

  40. The US has a real problem by XXongo · · Score: 2

    As for the United States, the life expectancy is "predicted to be among the lowest of these countries by 2030; 80 for men (similar to the Czech Republic) and 83 for women (similar to Mexico)."

    I'm quite horrified that all the commentary on the article is almost entirely sarcasm and jokes. In fact, this is relatively horrifying. Not only is the life expectancy in the U.S. currently less than that in any of the developed countries in Europe, it's decreasing.

    This is bad. It's easy enough to make fun of Europe's universal health care, but apparently they're doing something right.

    "The culprits for our declining years, the report says, were increases in mortality from heart disease, chronic lower respiratory diseases, unintentional injuries, stroke, Alzheimer’s disease, diabetes, kidney disease and suicide. Not surprisingly, that group plus cancer and the flu make up the top 10 causes of death in the U.S....
    He (the report author) did highlight a 3% increase in "unintentional injuries." The heading includes, among other things, traffic accidents and drug overdoses — both of which often involve relatively young victims whose deaths can have a strong impact on the numbers."
    source: http://www.usatoday.com/story/...

    See also:
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/08/...
    http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/12/08/504667607/life-expectancy-in-u-s-drops-for-first-time-in-decades-report-finds

    1. Re:The US has a real problem by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Heart disease, stroke, and diabetes are in many cases the result of eating too much food and junk food. Chronic lower respiratory diseases are mostly from smoking. These are the root causes, not the lack of a theft-funded government heath program.

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  41. Re:So, America might have a lower life expectancy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everything in the American food stream is an abomination to nutrition.
    Americans and their GMOs. I know of more people dying in their 40s, 50s, and 60s.
    Where they got 80 years for American men is a fantasy. A crack smoking fantasy.

  42. In other news... by jnaujok · · Score: 1

    ...America continues to be the only country in the world that reports stillborn children (age 0) as part of their statistics to the WHO.

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    1. Re:In other news... by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      http://www.marchofdimes.org/complications/stillbirth.aspx Stillbirths are 1 in 160. That's enough to change life expectancy by half a year.

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  43. Re:So, America might have a lower life expectancy. by myth24601 · · Score: 1

    The cardinal rule of toxicology is that the dose makes the poison.

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  44. Re:So, America might have a lower life expectancy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder how much of the difference is due to High Fructose Corn Syrup? That stuff will kill you (in excess).

    so will water, what's your point?

    Life expectancy is not comparable between different countries - http://www.nationalreview.com/article/276952/infant-mortality-deceptive-statistic-scott-w-atlas

  45. Re:I think they predicted Hillary would win electi by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    It's not quite that simple. Outside the US, governments pressure medicine suppliers to lower prices by threatening not to honor patents, so either the suppliers lower prices or competitors enter the field. In the US, the patents are honored, and the suppliers lobby or bribe legislators and bribe the FDA to keep generics unapproved.

    A knowledgeable consumer who can afford to go to a place with low medicine prices can profit thereby. Getting low medicine prices generally in the US will require large and sustained political pressure.

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  46. We're doing it wrong. by XXongo · · Score: 1
    Whatever it is the U.S. is doing, we seem to be doing it wrong.

    It's charmingly naive of you to think that our bad health has nothing to do with our health care system, probably the worst in the developed world, and definitely the most expensive in the developed world. (And I assume you've never been outside the U.S., since you seem to think nobody in the rest of the world smokes.)

    But, whether in health care or in something else, we're at the bottom of the list in the developed world. Whatever it is we're doing-- we should do something else.