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$10K Package Of Super Nintendo Games Finally Found By Post Office (eurogamer.net)
A project to preserve (and validate) every Super Nintendo game ROM had been derailed when the post office lost a package containing 100 games from the PAL region. But now Byuu, the creator of the Higan SNES emulator, reports that the package has been found. An anonymous reader writes:
Thursday Byuu finally posted photos of the unboxing for the package that was shipped to him January 5th. "I'd like to offer my sincerest apologies to the USPS for assuming the worst in that these games were stolen. I should not have been so hasty to assume malicious intent." At the same time, Byuu writes that "My package was sitting in Atlanta, GA for well over a month with my address clearly visible right on the box. Had this case not been escalated to the media, it likely would have gone up for auction in a bin with other electronics sometime in March."
Byuu is now refunding donations he'd received to replace the missing games, and says he can now also resume work on the SNES Preservation Project. And going forward, according to Eurogamer, "Byuu has said he will be more cautious with shipping games in the future -- only using smaller shipments, or buying individual games to scan and archive then selling them on to get some money back."
Byuu is now refunding donations he'd received to replace the missing games, and says he can now also resume work on the SNES Preservation Project. And going forward, according to Eurogamer, "Byuu has said he will be more cautious with shipping games in the future -- only using smaller shipments, or buying individual games to scan and archive then selling them on to get some money back."
He needs to go to jail for a long time.
Defamation for what? They *did* have his package. For a month. With no record of its location....leading to the not unreasonable assumption that it had been stolen - which is not as rare as we'd like to wish it would be.
If you were to take to google, you'd find that carriers routinely open, inspect, and reseal packages - often at the request of law enforcement, and without a warrant being required. This is especially prevalent in Colorado and Washington, where LE assumes everyone is trying to ship marijuana out of state.
Returning to the same google-fu, missing packages aren't a rarity - which is what insurance is for. He did have insurance on the package, but not nearly enough.
USPS DID loose the package! How should they sue? He received a ripped/torn shipping label and a "we don't know where it is" from the USPS already. The summary states right there that the box was sitting in a Atlanta for over a month with USPS not attempting delivery or notification of the recipient who's address is on the box. If an address is visible and had USPS auctioned it off anyway, I would actually consider that theft by USPS as well. Even if the postage label was separated from the box, if the box still has a destination name/address on it, then the USPS should make a good faith effort to contact that person before auctioning it off. At the very least, let the person know, 'we have a box with your name on it, but no postage label, if you want it come in and pay the postage for it'.
They lost his package and didn't care. They would have sold it and profited from it if it hadn't gotten media attention. The rest of us just lose our packages. I hope this will trigger a larger investigation of how the USPS handles these things.
He publicly shamed a company. This is treason in the united corporations of america state, especially if that company has invested in campaigns. The more places its active in, the more congress people it can whisper its wishes into the ear. Also, tolerating this horrible insult is a slippery slope. Today its insulting the post office, tomorrow he could start coming up with ideas that some oil company drills on holy land of some made up native american bullshit. Just right that Trump will get him drowned in a steel cage. That's what he deserves! Drowned in debt and sent to Foxconn to work for AAPL.
For what? He didn't do anything. If you read his original website news post he stuck only to the facts of what had happened. The only place he mentions the possibility of it being stolen is where he talks about the package taking far longer than others, and thus the only conclusion he can draw is that it is "lost or stolen". Which was EXACTLY what happened (it was lost).
When USPS sends him the empty box, he does blow off some steam at how they enclose a letter blaming him for the missing items, which is entirely understandable. But he also posts the letter in its entirety so it's clear which parts of what he is saying is his own opinion.
IANAL but I don't think he even needed to apologize for suggesting his package might be stolen... he was clearly working off of the only evidence he had available at the time and reached a reasonable conclusion. But he did so anyway. He goes on to complain a bit about the USPS but again it's all based off of what happened to him and quite reasonable (they shouldn't have lost his package in the first place, they should have better customer services, etc).
What you suggest is nothing short of the suppression of byuu's freedom of speech (I assume he's American, at least).
you can clearly see in the photos it's not packed well. something like that you don't use paper to brace the outsides of the box. he should have bought some packing peanuts or those plastic air things that amazon and every other professional shipper uses to brace their packages
if he would have sued he would have been laughed out of court with those photos
You don't seem to understand the meaning of "treason".
They lost his mail. For a month. That is shit service and they deserve to be publically shamed.
And you don't seem to understand sarcasm and hyperbole.
for the USPS, always use registered mail if sending something valuable. Registered mail is kept in secured, locked containers from receipt until delivery and the USPS is required to maintain full chain of custody records (every time the container with your piece in it is handed to a new person, they must sign that they received it). If lost, registered mail is traceable down to the person who lost it. If a registered mail piece is lost, the discipline in the USPS is quite strict because you know exactly who messed up.
I guess you missed where he clearly stated that it was the post office (specifically, Deutsche Post) which was responsible for the manner in which the packages were taped together, not the sendor *or* the recipient.
FTFA: "When the donor went to send me the next batch of 100 games, he reused my boxes and took them to Deutsche Post for assistance in packaging them up. They ended up taping my two boxes together, and then wrapping the box in thick brown wrapping paper. This was not ideal, but please understand that this was done at the behest of Deutsche Post. The sender was not aware of the possibility that USPS' sorting machines could rip the label off. The postal workers, who ship mail for a living, really should have advised him better."
Actually, you *can* opt out of most of it. it's just an unnecessarily tedious process. I've done it myself though, and other than stuff from a handful of local businesses and I think one or two weekly coupon "magazines", I now receive little to no junk mail from companies with which I don't already have a business relationship.
This post has to be a troll. No real person could be this fucking retarded. Surely?
I've worked for UPS. I've found packages buried in the debris at the bottom of their trucks...for six months or more.
I've seen stuff broken and smashed by FedEx.
I have had several high-value packages, which I paid extra shipping for in order to get better tracking and recoup some of the most money if lost.
USPS does have a fairly good track record of finding packages when you continue to escalate. I've always done it in steps, up to and including contacting the highest levels available.
One package that was sent Priority Overnight to me did not arrive for 10 weeks. After several calls and filling out their online tracking / trace / lost package form, I finally made a phone call.
48 hours later I received a call that my package, as in this case, had just been sitting in a distribution center, unharmed with both the return address and my address on the box. Apology included.
It really can be worth it to continue to escalate until they either find the package or if you have insurance, recoup your losses.
Just my 2 cents. I've had this happen a few times and every time I followed the escalation process... eventually the item was found and delivered promptly. promptly.
I'm glad he received his games. Also, package your items carefully. I print out the return address and destination address. I jam it full of bubble-wrap. Then I use tape to completely water-proof that paper.
It seems all worked out in this case. It was kind of him to apologize.
I don't think the USPS is "out to get" anyone. They're also, to my knowledge, the only delivery service that requires a warrant to inspect a package sent within the US. My understanding is that other carrier, such as FedEx and UPS have standing agreements to allow LEO's to inspect without warrant.
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on the 18th when reported it was 5000$ worth of games, then an update to that summary put it at 8000 gbp (9968$) and now its 10,000!!!!
loose it for another couple weeks it will be worth 20!
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The GP post is a clear exception to Poe's Law. It's abundantly clear that it's sarcasm.
C'mon, use your head ... "treason in the united corporations of america state?" "Trump will get him drowned in a steel cage?"
The post is +5 funny. Let's laugh and not take it seriously.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
Several years ago at work someone sent us a package but it never arrived. Thankfully, they had a tracking number.
Both my mailroom guy and the sender escalated.
To be fair to the post office, the box was slightly mis-labeled - it had the wrong zip code or some such.
Anyhow, it wound up in the regional shipping center near us sitting on a carosel for several weeks. We finally got it after a several-week delay.
I had another several-week in-shipment delay several years ago on something a vendor shipped to us but I don't remember if it was the USPS or one of the other major, usually-reliable major shipping companies in the United States.
The moral of the story: Mistakes happen. Be prepared to lose items in shipment once in awhile. If it's worth it, pay extra for a trackable shipping method, insurance against loss, split the shipment up to reduce the risk of a total loss, or in extreme cases, do what museums and banks do: Arrange for a private courier who makes a living delivering high-value items from point A to point B.
While i'm grateful the box was found, Byuu should have been smarter. If you're sending anything of value ($10k worth of games seriously) , get a tracking number, insure it, and get it sent via certified/registered mail. There'a no excuse for this carelessness. He got lucky. Had he had done that he would have had a way to find where it got lost. You should always do this for anything of value.
Exactly how loose was the package?
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"...Given all that's happened, I've lost a lot of trust in shipping games like this..."
You really mean to say "I've developed a more realistic appreciation of the process and how appropriate (or not) the various services are for shipping valuables, ie, not to ship something of high-value via the lowest-possible-cost method."
"...Once again, I'd like to offer my sincerest apologies to the USPS for assuming the worst in that these games were stolen. I should not have been so hasty to assume malicious intent.
I'm a natural pessimist however, and if you've shared all of my disappointments in life, I suspect you might be as cynical as I am...."
You had me at the first sentence, lost me at the last. That sort of "well my life has been so hard" excuse is bullshit. If you were a NATURAL PESSIMIST you'd have been a lot more cautious about how you ship goods worth (allegedly) $thousands$ in the first place.
"...There is a very real issue in that their machines are ripping the labels right off of packages...."
You've got to be fucking kidding. I'm not a USPS employee, but to suggest that a service that handles a HALF BILLION pieces of mail every day - of how many different sizes? weights? grades? with how many different labels? address text/writing styles? - has a "very real issue" because your precious item lost a label is ridiculous. Special snowflake alert (which was obvious anyway from the immediate suspicion of theft, but I was giving him a pass on that because he was upset).
As a side note: that number of pieces is shipped by Amazon...in a YEAR. So the USPS ships roughly 300x the pieces with around 2x the staff.
"There's a very real concern in that it's damn near impossible to get help when something goes wrong unless you manage to attract a lot of media attention."
You let me know when you meet a government agency with a half-million employees distributed across 31000 locations that's any more responsive. Sorry, that's just life in the big city.
"My package was sitting in Atlanta, GA for well over a month with my address clearly visible right on the box."
If he's talking about what was handwritten on the box, basically what's on the box is disregarded unless it's a label. Do you have any idea how many people ship stuff in old boxes, with all sorts of addresses, comments, or old information that they don't cross out?
I'll be clear: I'm glad this guy got his stuff. But his narcissism is verging on solipsism. Is everyone that ignorant/pollyanish about the real challenges involved in modern shipping?
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I don't understand sarcasm and hyperbole?! You should go in jail for that!
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Jeesh, English and grammar Nazi's, all of ya! I typo'd "loose" instead of "lose", ok an extra letter in there. I also put 'a' in front of a word that starts with a vowel, I know the syntax I used is wrong as well. I was typing that out as I was packing up my laptop to head to work on a Saturday, which I'm not happy about, so forgive me for not taking a few seconds to proof read my comment before hitting submit as I was was in a rush to get out the door. Must be a slow weekend when the only thing to comment on is bad grammar and spelling mistakes and typos... Hope you all got your laughs in!
and a buddy of mine who's a prolific ebay seller has had dozens. As long as you insure it they pay out within a few weeks (which is better than average for any kind of insurance).
If I ship my kid a $50 dvd and it goes missing I don't care if the post office finds it. I get my money from the insurance and buy another copy. The last thing I want is the post office spending millions of dollars tracking packages full of easily replaceable crap.
It's just standard biz practice. All things being equal if it costs $100 to find something you lost and that something's worth $50 you lose $50 bucks looking for it. Unless it has something beyond it's intrinsic value or it's value is unnaturally high (like it was here) then there's no point. Like I said, I don't care if my kid's DVD goes missing as long as it gets replaced.
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The sender could have picked a commercial carrier instead. UPS, FedEx, Purolator, DHL... surely there's at least one of those available in Germany. And since it was $10K worth of games, don't tell me they cost too much. Relative to the value of that package, even expensive shipping options become a fraction of its value.
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DHL is owned by Deutsche Post, which is the carrier he used.
Ah, I see. I often gets DHL packages delivered by Canada Post.
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They still have the government employee mentality of not giving a shit
Yeah because random employees in large corporations give so many shits about you personally. They really don't, you know, I mean really not at all.
When conducting business, one of these two carriers is always the way to go because they deliver consistently and on time.
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The USPS was a great idea 240 years ago and they served their purpose for a long time, but it is high time that we fully privatize them and let them go bankrupt if they can't perform a competent service.
As a private company, they'd likely do considerably better since they wouldn't have to obey inane regulations from politicians who are intent on hamstringing it as much as they can by law to "prove" that the government can't do a good job.
Make no mistake, the USPS is phenomenally efficient and moves astonishingly vast quantities of mail for a really, really low cost.
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A decade or two ago I was a hard core EBay re-seller, as a sort of side hobby I had Chinese movies (generally VCDs!) shipped in-mass and re-sold them in the normal mail, I used USPS and often the cheaper media mail rate. I sent hundreds (thousands?) of packages and not once, ever, did I have a problem with packages being sent in the post office getting lost or damaged. A couple times it took a week or two longer than it should.
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The USPS was a great idea 240 years ago and they served their purpose for a long time, but it is high time that we fully privatize them and let them go bankrupt if they can't perform a competent service.
The USPS can not be fully privatized. It is an integral part of the US legal system, and the one and only courier service that delivers to all physical addresses in the United States. In nineteen jurisdictions, process service can be completed on an individual by mail: Alaska, California, Washington D.C., Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota (with prior written consent), Mississippi, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Nebraska, Ohio, Oregon, Texas, Virginia, and West Virginia. In three of those jurisdictions, a summons can be sent simply by first class mail. The rest require registered or certified mail.
Only two jurisdictions allow delivery by private couriers: Washington D.C. and North Dakota.
Only one jurisdiction allows delivery by "electronic means": Washington D.C. and only by prior consent.
Only one jurisdiction allows delivery by fax machine: Idaho. (Yes, Idaho. Go figure.)
A myriad of other legal things are tied to postal addresses, including that thing near and dear to everyone's heart: your taxing jurisdiction. The USPS maintains the legal "where everybody is" database, and even the private couriers depend on it. People file change of address forms with the USPS, not with UPS or FedEx. We've seen alternative attempts to provide such a database. Uptake of such systems is basically nil. The inertia of 240 years gives the USPS a fantastically powerful network effect. Quite aside from those nineteen legal jurisdictions, the sheer amount of software that depends on the existence and current method of functioning of the post office is mind boggling.
A functional, government-run or quasi-government-run post office is one of the cornerstones of civilization. One of the symptoms of a failed state today is not having one. You mess with the post office at your peril. Fix it if it needs fixing, sure, but privatization is not a fix: it would break everything.
If they can actually track the package and after 1-2 hours on the phone don't tell you something like:
-- "Your postal worker wasn't working today."
Ok, but it was supposed to be delivered yesterday, the tracking says it was yesterday.
-- "We'll look into it, here's a case #"
Later that same day, a neighbor stops by with a package that was delivered to her two days ago. I do not waste another hour+ on the phone notifying the Post Office.
< 5 days later >
--"Our investigation shows no trace of your package. We don't know where it is."
You can only call it defamation in the US if it isn't true.
More than half of my mail is junk mail from local businesses, so I take your scenario as a complete failure to opt out of junk mail.
That package was so loose, even your momma said it really got around.
We've been using UPS to send packages to our daught-in-law and grandson in Hallettsville TX, as the post office there can't find their address (they use a PO box for stuff that can't be shipped) The post office workers there couldn't find a firehouse if they were standing in front of it, and fire trucks were racing out.
Is there something different or more legal about this project than past SNES scanning projects?
"My friend" has an archive of ROMs that's complete. It has every game, and even has every regional or versioned release as well (several ROMs per game). Same for NES, Genesis, and N64
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The GP post is a clear exception to Poe's Law. It's abundantly clear that it's sarcasm.
C'mon, use your head ... "treason in the united corporations of america state?" "Trump will get him drowned in a steel cage?"
The post is +5 funny. Let's laugh and not take it seriously.
I can't laugh at it because the words aren't assembled together well enough to make a coherent thought for me to follow.
You forgot to mention the occasional random forklift holes all the way through double-boxed packages delivered by UPS, but otherwise, yes, that pretty much matches my experience. :-)
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Agreed, you don't have to assume malicious intent with the USPS. It's just incompetency; like all government related organizations! They lost my engagement rings (why the company only offered USPS shipping is beyond me) and we assumed the same until they miraculously appeared days and days later... I'll leave out foul language.
> sniffed it with the dogs
The USPS has ROM-sniffing dogs now??
They sell you package if you do not have them, sell you tape, but they do not tell you or help you make your package, when there is usually 10+ persons behind you fulminating that it is taking so much time to be done. There is on the other hand small outfit , usually at bar/tabac/dry cleaner/etc which are handled by the local shop owner and prominently state that you can leave post there. The personal there is not Deutsche Post personal. So yeah , I rather doubt the explanation is complete.
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USPS is part of the government, though. If this were a real company, it wouldn't exist anymore, with $47 billion in losses in the last decade (Source).
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OK, so split the legal function of address location and zip code and leave that part of the federal government with a few hundred employees. As far as delivering legal things, private companies can easily fill that gap with a delivery confirmation service. Private companies already provide all kinds of legal services, from authorized notary to lawyers to... serving confirmed legal notice... If you live 200 miles off in the sticks, your private mail should be delivered to a post box in the nearest town, and you can pick it up once a month if you want. Why should I subsidize people living that far from civilization, especially when all banking and bill payment can be done online as well as correspondence? 95% of the mail I get these days is junk that goes immediately in the trash. I cant stop it from coming because the USPS makes money on this junk mail that I never use. Competitive private industry always does it better, faster and cheaper than the government (note I said competitive). Government is monopolistic, sedentary and there is no drive to compete or improve.
All of the states and laws you cite are based on the ubiquitous existence of the USPS. If the USPS ceased to exist, it is trivial to amend them to allow private, state certified services to serve notice (i.e. UPS/Fedex/other private entities).
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Why should I subsidize people living that far from civilization, especially when all banking and bill payment can be done online as well as correspondence?
You like food, don't you? And wood and paper products? And cotton clothes? Hell, even petroleum-derivative clothes come from feed stocks acquired "off in the sticks". Humanity has managed to automate 90% of the work required to gather all of these things so there's a smaller percentage of people doing that work than ever before in history, but as with all things, the first 90% is the easy part.
Automating that last 10% completely may never happen. It certainly won't happen in your lifetime. A lifetime that would be remarkably abbreviated if those people weren't out there. If they stopped doing what they do, there's about a year to a year and a half worth of food in the pipeline, from canned foods in warehouses to corn, wheat, and flour in silos. If those people stop, your civilization is dead in about 2 years, with something like 60% casualties.
I think you can handle subsidizing information delivery (both postal and digital) and electricity delivery for the 20% of the population that has been handling the bottom half of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs for you for so long that you've forgotten why they exist.
Competitive private industry always does it better, faster and cheaper than the government (note I said competitive).
This is purely a religious statement, with plenty of contradictory evidence. Competitive private industry does many things quite well, it's true, but the one thing competitive private industry never does is ubiquity. It can sometimes come close, especially for portable things, but when it comes to utilities, private industry never achieves ubiquity unless both coerced and incentivized by government to do so. This has been repeatedly demonstrated for centuries, ever since capitalism became an -ism.
Meanwhile, private courier services in the US have soundly demonstrated that the USPS is indispensable. The private services have consolidated until there are only two remaining and they do not compete and they do not provide service to all addresses in the country. FedEx and UPS have tacitly divided up the market between them, with FedEx assuming the premium role and UPS the "everything else" role, and UPS is maintaining their position by cheating, leaning heavily on the USPS to do it.
It takes a minimum of four independent entities operating under substantially similar conditions and providing substantially similar goods or services to produce a competitive environment, and we are already below that threshold with respect to courier services. Even if we were dumb enough to follow your advice and privatize the post office, the current trajectory would continue. FedEx would buy a handful of the most profitable bits of the USPS, UPS would buy some of the rest, and both would totally abandon rural America, leaving some 95% of the land area unserviced by any courier when the remaining unprofitable bits of the USPS collapsed.
Government is monopolistic, sedentary and there is no drive to compete or improve.
Almost correct, but you and those like you who spout the tenants of capitalism as religious truth have cause and effect perfectly backwards. Government is not monopolistic because it's behaving like a robber baron. Government is monopolistic because a) ubiquity for certain things, particularly certain services, is desirable and b) ubiquity for those things is not and can not be profitable. Ubiquity for fire prevention, law enforcement, military services, and yes, courier services, among a good many other things, is only achievable in a functional way through government.
To take one example, competitive fire prevention is nonsensical. The most successful fire prevention service allows the least poss
Competitive private industry always does it better, faster and cheaper than the government (note I said competitive).
"This is purely a religious statement, with plenty of contradictory evidence. Competitive private industry does many things quite well, it's true, but the one thing competitive private industry never does is ubiquity. It can sometimes come close, especially for portable things, but when it comes to utilities, private industry never achieves ubiquity unless both coerced and incentivized by government to do so. This has been repeatedly demonstrated for centuries, ever since capitalism became an -ism."
Please point to one instance where government is more efficient and customer centric than competitive private industry. It is not religious, it is fact. The simple solution is to require all delivery services to deliver to every person in the country, just not every physical address. As I said, the more efficient solution is to deliver mail to a postal depot in the closest town and then the residents can pick up their mail at their leisure. There are plenty of instances of interfaces between government and private utilities monopolies that are worse, but lets see:
DMV: horrible disaster
EPA: regularly rapes businesses and individuals alike for an abstract benefit that has nothing to do with clean air and clean water. Regularly pollutes the environment criminally with no consequences.
Department of Education: Quality of education has become demonstrably worse since it was founded.
VA healthcare: demonstrably inferior to private health care in terms of care and customer service
Medicaid: demonstrably worse than private health care
There is a list as long as my arm.
There are things that private industry shouldn't do, like the military and police force and other things that we have agreed as a society government should facilitate like public roads that have virtually universal benefit etc. In the US we distribute power such that government is inherently weakened and less efficient and additionally we currently have zero incentives for government employees to serve the citizens or perform well. In countries where they have a strong central government, it is even worse because bureaucrats like all humans are inherently selfish and chose to use their power to serve themselves, so you get mass starvation in communist Russia while the communist party elites wine and dine on imported goods. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
As far as farming goes, I expect full automation to be available within 5 years and full adoption within 20 or so. I don't need a farmer to tell me how rough he has it, it is his choice to try to compete with the huge corporate farms. Farming was always labor intensive and repetitive, a perfect task for automation. Then there will be no one to complain how hard it is to grow the food I eat, just a profitable corporation and rich, happy investors. And more engineering work to design the next iteration/generation of automated farming equipment.
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Random employees in a large corporation may not give a shit, but typically their managers care about their underlings customer ratings, and bad ratings reflect poorly on the manager and usually impact his annual bonus, so he/she makes random employee give a shit when I call to complain or he fires them for cause. So yes, they may not personally give a shit, but professionally they know they had better give a shit. Care to try again?
I have shipped a lot of business packages both nationally and globally, some valuing in the hundreds of thousands of dollars and Fedex has never lost a single one. A few have been delayed in customs, but they also helped facilitate getting them through customs. Your laughter is not a valid argument...
Name two "inane" regulations that the USPS has to follow that politicians have put in place at the USPS to hamstring them and prevent them from being efficient and profitable... I pay pretty close attention to what the government is doing and have for over 30 years and have yet to hear of this travesty...
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Other outfit MAY do that, the Deutsche post does not. I have been in many post office, small city, but city, big filliale, small one, big deposit place. And all have one thing in common : they tell you to do your package yourself. And i would bet it is a rule to avoid liabilities like in the case the package is done wrongly or damaged.
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