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GameStop Stock Price Tanks After Microsoft Announces New Digital-Gaming Service (venturebeat.com)

After Microsoft announced Xbox Game Pass earlier this week -- a monthly service coming this spring that will give you a selection of games you can download and play on your Xbox One for $9.99 a month, GameStop's stock price dropped nearly 8 percent. The news likely worries investors who view Xbox's instant game library a potential threat to GameStop's sales. VentureBeat reports: The brick-and-mortar retailer makes quite a lot of its money from secondhand sales where it resells products that consumers have traded in. If more people are playing digital games, that takes product out of the supply chain that could end up on GameStop store shelves. Additionally, Game Pass looks like it will primarily traffic in older games that people would typically would purchase used. Older releases like Mad Max, Saints Row IV, and Halo 5 are some of the big options that Microsoft is highlighting. Of course, GameStop isn't completely removed from the digital-gaming ecosystem. The retailer sells a lot of currency cards for the Xbox Store, the PlayStation Store, the Steam PC-gaming portal, and it's possible that people who don't like using a credit card will purchase cards to buy their subscription to Game Pass through GameStop. But that will likely not make up for a dearth of used-game sales or trade-ins if a lot of people adopt a Game Pass subscription.

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  1. Am I supposed to feel bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their entire business model is predicated on not offering a fair deal, to customers or the majority of employees. Am I supposed to feel bad now that they got a bad deal?

    I don't have a lot of sympathy for parasites. This seems like both karmic justice, and an obvious conclusion for anyone who pays attention to the games industry.

    1. Re:Am I supposed to feel bad? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Their entire business model is predicated on not offering a fair deal, to customers or the majority of employees or the people who make the games.

      ftfy

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    2. Re:Am I supposed to feel bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their entire business model is predicated on not offering a fair deal, to customers or the majority of employees or the people who make the games.

      ftfy

      Won't somebody please think of the developers? *pirates game*

    3. Re:Am I supposed to feel bad? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      That is not a fix. The people who make the games get a fair deal or don't based on their employer, not on a reseller of used products. There is just no justification for preventing resale, or even crying about it.

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  2. Why is it tanking only now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm amazed that anyone cares at all about either GameStop or Microsoft's store when Steam, GoG and Humble Store are around.

    1. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      More importantly, I don't know why Gamestop's stock would tank by the announcement of yet another Me Too digital service when most digital services barely make a dent on the ecosystem compared to Steam - and steam is already around, selling some/many of the games being highlighted.

      ie: investors don't know shit about the gaming industry. This is the same type of people that made Nintendo's stock surge without first checking to see if Nintendo actually owned or will be getting the bulk of the cash from the Pokemon Go fad.

    2. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by stealth_finger · · Score: 2

      I'm amazed that anyone cares at all about either GameStop or Microsoft's store when Steam, GoG and Humble Store are around.

      Not on xbox they're not.

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    3. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by gravewax · · Score: 4, Insightful

      really that is amazing news, when did steam, GoG and humble store come to Xbox, playstation and Nintendo?

    4. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by stealth_finger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't know why Gamestop's stock would tank by the announcement of yet another Me Too digital service when most digital services barely make a dent on the ecosystem compared to Steam - and steam is already around, selling some/many of the games being highlighted.

      So steam is on consoles is it? And consoles aren't the last bastion of physical sales? Who is it who doesn't know shit?

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    5. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Steam, good old games,and those kinds of services are only for PC the real action in gaming is on consoles so the Microsoft service for their Xbox is definitely a threat.

    6. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by TetsuoShima · · Score: 1

      The creator of the hardware and owner of its network and marketplace can't be so easily dismissed as just another "me too digital service." They face no legitimate competition here and will make a mint.

    7. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was not aware that Steam, GoG, and Humble Store were available on consoles.

    8. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It happened last night, in my dreams.

    9. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      the real action in gaming is on consoles

      Wow. That's a good one, are you available for corporate events, and do you have a complete stand-up routine?

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    10. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're a fucking idiot.

    11. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      you're a fucking idiot.

      your

    12. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Not on xbox they're not.

      I'm amazed that anyone cares about Xbox when most of the best games are ported to PC since it's little more than a re-skin and recompile, to get mediocre performance anyway. And since the current consoles are just a mediocre PC, a decent PC will run them fine anyway.

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    13. Re: Why is it tanking only now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People with consoles just buy whatever is in the glass case at Walmart.

    14. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Steambox.

      Shit indeed...

    15. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Every time the possibility of games consoles running downloaded games comes up, a contingent on Slashdot always insists such a thing will never happen because broadband isn't available to everyone and that even if 90% of potential console users have access to broadband, the console will fail because not everyone has it.

      I've always thought that's a complete load a nonsense, but I guess, kinda sorta, we're about to find out how loyal to non-connectivity console users are. If this turns out to be a roaring success, Microsoft might well justify getting rid of cartridges and optical discs and other local media for the next generation.

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    16. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      I'm amazed that anyone cares about Xbox when most of the best games are ported to PC since it's little more than a re-skin and recompile, to get mediocre performance anyway.

      Maybe some people would prefer to relax on a couch in front of the TV while gaming...

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    17. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Maybe some people would prefer to relax on a couch in front of the TV while gaming...

      It's 2017. You can have that with a PC these days.

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    18. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because XBoxes run, while PCs, you spend more time installing, fiddling with drivers, dealing with viruses, cleaning up after ransomware, activating, reinstalling, updating, rebooting, than you do actually doing work.

      Consoles just plug and play.

    19. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      I'm amazed that anyone cares about PC when most of the best supposedly "PC only" games will get ported to console. And since Windows is a mediocre OS, why not play the games on something that doesn't run Windows.

    20. Re: Why is it tanking only now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess if you're an idiot you do.
      I been PC gaming since DOS. The only commands I knew were DIR and CD. Didn't take me very long.

    21. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      Yes, you can, but in practice it tends to be single "tech guys" with money to burn on tech toys that do it.

    22. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

      A HDMI cable works on the TV as well as the monitor. In fact, I wind up using my TV as a way to watch YouTube more than I do regular broadcasting.

    23. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      While I wouldn't say consoles is solely where the action is, it IS a good chunk of money so any smart dev is going to go cross-platform.

      That is one reason why Cryptic/Perfect World released Neverwinter and Star Trek Online on console. Some of the PC players believe that the console release has saved the game from being shut down by providing a valuable income stream.

      Or take a look at Torment: Tides of Numenera, the "spiritual successor" to Planescape Torment a game that was NEVER on console. It was simultaneously released on PC and Console a few days ago.

      Or Minecraft, which some PC Master race types said was the sort of game that would NEVER be on console....well you know how that turned out.

      Same goes for Stardew Valley, Kerbal Space Program, World of Tanks or War Thunder.

      Games cost money to make, and console players are in general more willing to spend money (and not just during sales) than the "I only buy games during steam sales" types.

    24. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Not on xbox they're not.

      I'm amazed that anyone cares about Xbox when most of the best games are ported to PC since it's little more than a re-skin and recompile, to get mediocre performance anyway. And since the current consoles are just a mediocre PC, a decent PC will run them fine anyway.

      Maybe because they're cheap to buy, easy to run and just sit there and play the games without crying about drivers or some other compatibility issue you'll spend hours googling all while getting the lions share of the performance a top line pc would offer? Especially when most AAA games these days are designed for consoles and PC is lucky to get an optimised port but mostly its a shitty port. Unless you're into the indie scene or are only interested in pushing the absolute maximum amount of pixels there's really not much point.

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    25. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      Umm, consoles ALREADY have (and have had for years) digital downloads, and a lot of us console players have most of their PS4/Xbox One games as digital downloads. This GamePass thing is essentially a cross between Gamefly and Playstation Now (Sony's Gaikai/Onlive derived service)

      IMHO this will go over better with the "dudebro sports and brown shooter crowd" who tend to only play those games, rather than say the generalist gamers or RPG guys.

    26. Re: Why is it tanking only now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cheap games. If you don't insist on the latest releases, PC games are typically much cheaper. Even for the same titles.

      Game selection. Some games need something more flexible than a game controller (e.g. a keyboard). Some developers need a marketplace more open than a game console (e.g. something that they can access).

      Overall, better compatibility across "generations". PC games may be dodgy when it comes down to hardware support, but a well developed PC game has a better chance of running on a new PC 10 years down the road than a console game does on a new console. Unless you get lucky and are offered the privilege of paying for a new version of that console game.

    27. Re: Why is it tanking only now? by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      What are these glass cases you speak of?

      Most of my PS4 games are digital.

    28. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by Notabadguy · · Score: 1

      Because XBoxes run, while PCs, you spend more time installing, fiddling with drivers, dealing with viruses, cleaning up after ransomware, activating, reinstalling, updating, rebooting, than you do actually doing work.

      Consoles just plug and play.

      That sounds like the 90s when we had to configure games.

    29. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last I checked, the XBox (any of them) will happily run any used game disc just like it would any other game disc, and most digital "purchases" are not sell / trade able to begin with. So the "digital" here is pointless. Now Microsoft does very much want to end the third party controlled used sales market (just like every other game producer because they think they are special snowflakes) and they made the attempt in the past along with Sony, but we all know how that ended.

      So no, Microsoft does face competition here. The same competition they face in every other area that they do business: Their own past products. Which should be a lesson to all of you. They want control of the used games market because they are greedy. (One sale per copy is not enough apparently. They want to be paid indefinitely for that one copy.) When your business model depends on you asserting control over your previously sold products, that says your current products can't compete with your older products. I.e. That your older products are superior to your current products. Worse, now they are spending massive amounts of money to implement a new service to try and control that used market (which has diminishing returns overall, and fluctuates depending on current social trends rendering it hard to predict), instead of fixing the original problem of their current products being crap. That alone should be a clue to any real shareholder that it's time for some heads to roll. Because that means they are spending your investment capital frivolously. If anything Gamestop's shares should skyrocket because of this news. As Gamestop has the superior product by Microsoft's own admission. But of course, this is the world of casino investments. There's no real investment here, just a horde of gambling addicts and their 2-bit keyword searching HFT algorithms.

      So Gamestop's shares drop because some idiot thinks: (Microsoft + Control over used games = End days of Gamestop.) Completely disregarding what happened the last time they tried this. Not paying any mind to the fact that the hardware will still run the used game discs as it always has, and completely missing the message in the fine print from Microsoft's own announcement. Yep, that seems about right.

    30. Re: Why is it tanking only now? by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      Cheap games. If you don't insist on the latest releases, PC games are typically much cheaper. Even for the same titles.

      Not necessarily, I've compared prices for older games and sometimes the console version is cheaper. Your thinking is a relic of the time before PSN and Xbox Marketplace started having regular sales.

      Game selection. Some games need something more flexible than a game controller (e.g. a keyboard).

      I'm looking at the USB ports on the PS4 and PS3 (and PS2 before them), they're there for a reason. And yes, I have plugged keyboards into those consoles and used said keyboards with various console games. The last time I did it was last night while playing STO (Star Trek Online) on the PS4 while editing the Bio of one of my BOFF's (Bridge Officers) .

      Some developers need a marketplace more open than a game console (e.g. something that they can access).

      That thinking is a relic of the time when console marketplaces were less friendly to indie developers....that's not the case now:

      https://store.playstation.com/...

      Overall, better compatibility across "generations". PC games may be dodgy when it comes down to hardware support, but a well developed PC game has a better chance of running on a new PC 10 years down the road than a console game does on a new console.

      That's because the PC has been a OS based Microsoft monoculture. Consoles haven't, not even taking into account the changes of architecture. After all the PS2 is MIPS, the PS3 PPC and the PS4 X86_64.

      Unless you get lucky and are offered the privilege of paying for a new version of that console game.

      Cross-buy helped a little in the early days of the PS4. That was where if you had bought the PS3 version of some games, you got the PS4 version for free or at a discount. It was mostly an indie thing.

      In some cases that applies to the Vita version as well.

    31. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      They pretty much have to be if they're willing to pay 10-15 bucks more for a game than PC gamers...

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    32. Re: Why is it tanking only now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was a PlayStation humble bundle a few month back.

    33. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably you.

      Already on consoles, both Xbox AND Playstation have accumulative freebie games with their much cheaper monthly subscription costs which haven't made an impact on Gamestop.

      Additionally Sony has had Playstation Now for a while now which is exactly what Microsoft is intending their new process to be, including the cost, except that instead of downloading the games onto your limiited capacity harddrives, you just instant play it via streaming.

      As you said, consoles are the last holdout for physical games. Fewer gamers on consoles are going to be as "ooooo, aaaaaaaah" about this system as you think. And unless there's a LOT of games on that platform that you want to play, it's going to quickly become more expensive to stay subscribed to it than to just track down some of the games to buy second hand.

    34. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      I have a PS3 so maybe the experience is better now. But whenever I do pull out my PS3, usually about 30 minutes is installing the latest OS update. Then the next 10-20 minutes is installing whatever game patch is out.

      I boot my computer and play. Steam runs any game updates in the background for all my games and I can tell windows to wait on any os updates.

    35. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Maybe because they're cheap to buy, easy to run and just sit there and play the games without crying about drivers or some other compatibility issue

      Consoles have massive updates that you have to wait for just like PCs now, Consoles have all the complexity of a PC with all kinds of free reboots and whatnot, Consoles have all the hardware complexity of a PC with an optical drive to fail, which is locked to the console to make it hard for you to repair it. Console controllers have propietary wireless interfaces, even Sony really does since they play fast and loose with bluetooth.

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    36. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until there's a Steam sale (which are nice).... the prices are comparable. XCom2 on Xbox One and PS4 was $59.99 And on Steam it was $59.99

      I can't recall a game that ever came out cheaper on the PC... but then again, I don't play Call of Duty 5099 "Infinite Ammo" or some shit.

    37. Re: Why is it tanking only now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know. I figured everyone was a pc gaming elitist cunt too.

      Friday is surprise day.

    38. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget executing memmaker and configuring IRQ's!!

      Really, are you from the past??

    39. Re: Why is it tanking only now? by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      On the downside, lots of PC games are semi-dysfunctional if you insist on playing them with a gamepad on a TV across the room, because they were developed for mouse+keyboard play while seated at a desk.

      Illustrative case in point: "Flockers" for xb1 & Steam. The Steam version is literally unplayable on a HTPC across the room with XBox-like gamepad. And this is almost the golden porting scenario... a game that *has* perfectly-usable controls on the console version, and one is almost a verbatim port of the other.

      Sadly, it's far from being the only one. I bought Super Giana Sisters for *both* Wii-U and Steam. The Steam version is much, MUCH harder to play with a gamepad (it feels 'twitchy' compared to the wii-u version)... and this is a game where they explicitly TRIED to fully-support gamepad play.

      As I understand it, the problem lies with the fact that the analog sticks are interpreted by the gamepad hardware, and they all come up with slightly different values for a given position. With a Wii-U, you know beyond doubt that player 1 is using a specific controller with known response, but with PCs, every stick is slightly different.

    40. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If this turns out to be a roaring success, Microsoft might well justify getting rid of cartridges and optical discs and other local media for the next generation.

      You forget so soon, that was already Microsoft's plan for the Xbox One, announced long before the console was released.

      The backlash was so huge, especially at E3, that Microsoft back peddled and said they would be including an optical drive on the Xbox One after all, and sure enough a year and a half later on release of the console it had support for both.

      Now to be fair you did say "justified" and not "intended", but in essence Microsoft did feel justified to do so, announced their intent to do so, and got such a backlash they flipped their decision realizing they didn't want to alienate the gamers that were complaining.

      Personally I would like to hope that the number of people that don't have some form of broadband available is ever shrinking, and obviously there will always be some with no option for Internet access, but honestly there is very little reason to not offer both options for a very long time.

      There are plenty of ways to improve the current state of obtaining games before we should be worrying about cutting off people without Internet bandwidth totally.

      One example would be switching to a cheaper and/or more stable physical medium than optical discs and drives.
      Since the game data is typically either encrypted or at least signed and requiring activation against the users account, providing easier ways of obtaining the actual data would be a great option.
      Imagine taking a USB flash stick or USB3 HD or something to a kiosk at GameStop, or even something like a RedBox station, and just plugging in and having it copy what you wanted.
      Then you wouldn't need much bandwidth or fast Internet to simply register and pay for the software on the console online to unlock the game.

      That could even allow copying the bulk game data from friends.
      Imagine you have a friend over and end up playing some game with them and they really like it, yet don't have broadband to download 60gb in any timely manor.
      Friend can copy the game from you, take home to their console, jump online enough to pay and activate it, and away they go able to continue having the same fun as at your place, perhaps spreading the love on to a friend of theirs the same way.

      If they make the store front activation process not retarded, that should even be perfectly capable to do with dialup.

      Sending 128/256gb flash drives to our soldiers overseas would be trivial (well, as trivial as sending packages overseas ever is) and they can activate/pay at the same time as picking up the care package while not in the field.

      Hell, you'd think with how flexible PKI is, it would even be possible to transfer around the certificate files to activate a game that would only work on the proper users account, such that people without Internet at all can take or buy a tiny flash drive to Game Stop and use the same kiosk and their credit card to make the purchase at the same time, all ready to load up on your console at home.

      Not only is there still plenty of room for physical stores and kiosks of this nature to exist, but the technology exists to do it well, easily, and provide the same security for preventing mass piracy that the publishers demand.

      Let's encourage them to make the entire experience suck less as a whole before removing options.

    41. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      They pretty much have to be if they're willing to pay 10-15 bucks more for a game than PC gamers...

      Did you just time travel from 1999? While in the past there was a price differential and I know that in Europe PC partisan devs/publishers kept the price differential up longer because they wanted to favor the PC... but there isn't one NOW and hasn't been for about a decade.

      For Honor: $59.99 on PSN and Steam

      https://store.playstation.com/...

      http://store.steampowered.com/...

      Berzerk and the Band of the Hawk: $59.99 on PSN and Steam

      https://store.playstation.com/...

      http://store.steampowered.com/...

      Fallout 4: $59.99 on PSN and Steam

      https://store.playstation.com/...

      http://store.steampowered.com/...

      Rebel Galaxy $19.99 on PSN and Steam

      https://store.playstation.com/...

      http://store.steampowered.com/...

      Stardew Valley $14.99 on PSN and Steam
      https://store.playstation.com/...

      http://store.steampowered.com/...

    42. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      I have a PS3 so maybe the experience is better now.

      It is.

      But whenever I do pull out my PS3, usually about 30 minutes is installing the latest OS update. Then the next 10-20 minutes is installing whatever game patch is out.

      You're not using it enough and you obviously haven't set it up for automatic updates. (which it will do at around 4-5 AM by default)

      http://manuals.playstation.net...

      And if it takes 30 minutes...is your hard drive in the PS3 old or getting full? It shouldn't take that long.

    43. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      Consoles have all the complexity of a PC with all kinds of free reboots and whatnot,

      What are you talking about?

      Consoles have all the hardware complexity of a PC with an optical drive to fail, which is locked to the console to make it hard for you to repair it.

      So? PC DVD drives fail as well, besides most PC's DON'T have blu-ray drives. If they did, they could slap the PC version on a blu ray and not have to have you download 30-50 GB with their "downloader" And if a console blu-ray drive fails, send it in to Sony/Microsoft, they'll fix it. Though I haven't had a console optical drive fail since the early model PS2.

      Console controllers have propietary wireless interfaces, even Sony really does since they play fast and loose with bluetooth.

      DS3's/DS4's work just fine over Bluetooth....in Linux...including Steam. Windows user?

    44. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      DS3's/DS4's work just fine over Bluetooth....in Linux...including Steam. Windows user?

      Yes. There are patches in BlueZ specifically for Sony controller compatibility. They support the PS3 blu-ray remote, too.

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    45. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      Maybe because a lot of gamers don't want to deal with hassle of PCs?

    46. Re:Why is it tanking only now? by thejynxed · · Score: 1

      If you define a Steambox as a console (which technically, you should, because it is), then yes, it's on a console. Not an extraordinarily popular console, but still, a console.

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  3. used console game market... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    have been on the chopping block for a few years now. everything is going digital delivery and/or one-time-use serials tied to your account.

    the subscription access deals are more aimed at killing the rental market, i think, though. if it hurts used market some, that's just an added bonus for microsoft.

  4. Expected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Microsoft pulled the rug from under the competition? Colour me surprised!

    Expect Microsoft to start doing the same thing to Windows gamers. Forced updates, UWP apps and that new "option" that disallows installing applications that don't come from the store is just the beginning. Soon, you can kiss Steam goodbye (I predict that Windows 11 Home Edition users will not be allowed to install non store or non UWP apps... you just wait and see).

    Valve and Epic Games (and everyone else with half a brain) already saw the writing on the wall. Microsoft is back to their old tactics of leveraging their platform to shaft the competition.

    1. Re:Expected by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Informative

      Soon, you can kiss Steam goodbye (I predict that Windows 11 Home Edition users will not be allowed to install non store or non UWP apps... you just wait and see).

      The numbers don't support your argument. I'm sure all 20 owners of Windows 11 will be disappointed. Hell even Windows 10 isn't selling that well. I use Windows 7 and have NO plans to change. So uhh, I think it might be a case of the tail wagging the dog. Microsoft will code themselves right out of their own market if they do this.

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    2. Re:Expected by iampiti · · Score: 1

      I don't want to leave Win 7 either but if I want to keep using Windows I'll have to someday. Some day new hardware won't have drivers for 7, some day most new games won't work on 7.
      I hate Win 10 as much as anyone and I plan to only use it as a games console when I do have to use it but people can only keep using Win 7 for so long.

    3. Re:Expected by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      some day most new games won't work on 7.

      You'd think so, but Microsoft has REALLY shitty support for developers nowadays, too. It's almost as if they're doing you a favor. Not to mention they keep obfuscating their SDK's with every new release, as well as obfuscating Visual Studio (all in the name of trying to make things simpler - they fix one thing and break 3 others). I haven't seen a great rush to supporting DirectX 11 or higher exclusively yet. Coders will code for the largest possible market and right now Windows 10 ain't it (even when Microsoft tried to give it away for a year).

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  5. GameStop wil die by GuB-42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Brick and mortar video game shops will end up like movie rental shops. They will disappear if they still rely on video games sales as their main source of income.
    The video games industry is moving away from selling supports. In fact, most of the time, they are selling keys, the disc is just here so that you don't have to download the content, and that's only if there aren"t mandatory updates as big as the whole game.
    Publishers also do everything they can to limit the second-hand market since it doesn't make them any money. They can do it the "evil" way : making the game tied to a non-transferable online account, or the "good" way : offering massive discounts on older games, effectively undercutting the second-hand market. Often they do both.

    Brick and mortar shops may survive by focusing on hardware, merchandise, and collector items. They may also attempt to build communities (organizing events, competitions, etc...). But software alone won't cut it.

    1. Re:GameStop wil die by zabbey · · Score: 2

      Which video rental stores didn't rely on video rentals as their main source of income?

    2. Re:GameStop wil die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's one near where I work that added used books and CDs as the video rental market started dying off. They still have a small selection of DVDs for rent, but their main source of income is the books and CDs.

    3. Re:GameStop wil die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People buy CDs? Huh, interesting.

    4. Re:GameStop wil die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ooooh, there were a few that split their store so they could..sell video games. :/

    5. Re:GameStop wil die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, so insightful! Congrats for having the courage to speak the truth!

      You are a fucking idiot.

    6. Re: GameStop wil die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I buy used CDs at thrift shops from anybody stupid enough to be getting rid of them.

    7. Re:GameStop wil die by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

      I still do. CDs are a compromise between having a usable electronic medium that one can rip tracks from, as well as a decent space for album art and lyrics on the jewel case and inserts.

    8. Re:GameStop wil die by syntotic · · Score: 1

      They were supposed to act as demand drivers then go themselves into the hardware business itself. I was just deprived of an important collection of DS cartridges and only find out there are LESS GameStop stores around! And many less nintends after nintendo s suicide. But I only want to play nintendo (and PC) games! Those are still the best games around, but no one has noticed. The new amazon consoles are only so so and do NOT make up for a nintendo DSi at all! Donwload is great but it is better to have SOMETHING you can hold on and even better to be able to just take batteries and the thing and go ahead without dependencies. If I go to GameStop is to seek old cartridges I have to repurchase after thefts or to have a new cartridge to restart rather than erase an old session or because I need another nintendo (and see if it carries hatena in it), otherwise no point, and I always find people in the line and do have to wait to make my purchase. These stores should not close AT ALL, all this is not clear at all, insufficient data to see who has a black hidden agenda in the videogaming indus-try.

  6. Sympathy meter barely moving by DrXym · · Score: 1

    It's a very bad thing to see consoles become ever-more vertical, the reality is that Gamestop sucks. I couldn't really care if they fail because they've been screwing over customers and staff for years.

  7. Seriously by Dunbal · · Score: 2

    Fuck retail stores. About 10 years or so ago, BEFORE services like Steam, major retailers like GameStop decided to cut down on their stock of PC games and stock many more console games. Because somehow they felt that "piracy" was going to kill PC gaming, but console games were going to be a sure thing because they're just that much harder to pirate. Well you reap what you sow. PC games are still selling strong. Steam made 3.5 billion US dollars last year, and Steam is not the only seller of PC games. And console makers are starting to clue in that they don't NEED a middle-man either. Maybe this way more money can go to the people who actually develop titles instead of useless middle men who think they get to have a say in what gets to go on the shelf. Oh yes, pay to play is alive and well in retail. If you're a little guy good fucking luck ever getting your product into a place like GameStop. And the mall owner shouldn't worry too much, I'm sure they will always find another cell phone store to plug that hole.

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    1. Re:Seriously by ckatko · · Score: 1

      I seriously miss SoftwareEtc.

    2. Re:Seriously by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      And the mall owner shouldn't worry too much, I'm sure they will always find another cell phone store to plug that hole.

      Mall owners are worrying too. Large retail/clothing stores like JC Penny, Macys, and Sears are closing up everywhere, and Amazon and other online retailers are taking a big bite out of the smaller stores that typically populate malls.

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    3. Re:Seriously by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I seriously miss SoftwareEtc.

      They were seriously good for a mall store, weren't they? I got my Amiga 500 bundle there.

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    4. Re:Seriously by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

      It comes and goes. Amazon is looking to get into the brick and mortar department, Wal-Mart is booming, and Target isn't doing too bad. Specialty stores will always be something that hits malls (places like Wet Seal or Hot Topic are never going away), but the big retail chains will always be in flux. I'm sure 20 years from now, the Sears Auto shop may be gone, but there will be an Amazon Auto that replaces it, offering 24/7 service, and offering specials for self-driving cars.

    5. Re:Seriously by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      It comes and goes. Amazon is looking to get into the brick and mortar department, Wal-Mart is booming, and Target isn't doing too bad.

      Target has seen dropping sales for the past 6 quarters. So they are struggling too.

      Oh, and off topic, but Slashdot, you are now serving an ad that takes you away from the comment box when you are typing. An ad is literally keeping people from participating in this site. You need to fix that. Now

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    6. Re:Seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Mall owners are worrying too."

      No they're not. If they were, mall rent would be affordable. Many mall owners aren't even in this country so their decline is completely out-of-sight-out-of-mind.

    7. Re:Seriously by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      In a ways I do - but that's nostalgia. I miss the excitement of being young and browsing for the latest titles for my monthly computer game purchase. However I do not miss the drive to the mall, the crowded parking, the obnoxious staff, and the disappointment when they don't have that killer new game that I just had to have. Nowadays click click click and 5 minutes later I have it without ever leaving my desk, let alone my house.

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    8. Re:Seriously by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Privacy Badger ftw. What ad?

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    9. Re:Seriously by Shatrat · · Score: 1

      "Privacy Badger detected 25 potential trackers on this page." No kidding. Slashdot is one of the worst sites I visit when it comes to tying me into all sorts of ad networks and tracking BS.

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    10. Re:Seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck retail stores. About 10 years or so ago, BEFORE services like Steam, major retailers like GameStop decided to cut down on their stock of PC games and stock many more console games.

      The reason retail used shops stopped stocking PC games was because of Steam. All of the games started coming with one-time use redemption codes that were worthless unless you could prove the code hadn't been used. I.e. The shrinkwrap was still on the box. Why? Because there is no way to check to see if a code has been used without attempting to use it. The worth of used PC games was effectively dropped to zero by the likes of Steam and the other digital distributors.

      So yeah, Gamestop stopped stocking them. It was just going to cost them money that they would never make back to take them in. Meanwhile Console games hadn't started this crap yet. So yeah they did start allocating more space to them. It was a product they could sell and make money off of. See also the current attempts by Gamestop to get into the used phone / tablet market, the bringing back of trades and sales for older systems / games, and the addition of collector's items / trading cards / clothes / etc related to gaming. It's products they can sell, in a time when their main source of income is being threatened from all angles.

      somehow they felt that "piracy" was going to kill PC gaming, but console games were going to be a sure thing because they're just that much harder to pirate.

      I have no idea where you heard that. My Gamestop was honest with me. That was however the spin put on it by publishers moving to Steam at the time. That they (the publishers) had no choice but to move to Steam to combat piracy effectively. Which was BS. They wanted to kill the competition of their previous products, be able to release games with less strict QA, and assert complete control over their new releases. Which is what Steam gives them.*

      *That's why an "accident" like releasing an intro video to a market it's not licensed for, can result in the data disappearing after release and multiple updates to prevent that data from playing if it somehow manages to survive the remote delete attempt. Or how a feature that everyone loves can be retroactively removed from the game with no recourse for the players. It's also why companies like Bethesda can get away with releasing a buggy PoS on launch day, or why Steam can charge a brand new price for a game released a few years ago. (Not that they always do, but they have no competition in that area to bring down the price and they know it.)

      Well you reap what you sow. PC games are still selling strong. Steam made 3.5 billion US dollars last year, and Steam is not the only seller of PC games.

      They didn't sow anything, and those figures are for NEW sales. Not used.

      console makers are starting to clue in that they don't NEED a middle-man either

      Yeah, they want control over the "used" market too, because it's a competitor to their current products. This just in: They don't NEED you either. They just want your money. If they could get it without going through you, they would discard you just as easily.

      Maybe this way more money can go to the people who actually develop titles instead of useless middle men who think they get to have a say in what gets to go on the shelf.

      Hah! That's good. You should know by your own attitude where that money is going to go if they succeed, but here's a hint: Look at all of that innovation going on right now in the gaming industry! We're not pumping out rehash after rehash, nor buggy PoS software on launch that takes multi gigabyte patches to fix some of the issues. We're also not pumping out day 1 DLC or gameplay that takes a backseat to graphics, nor only safe tried and true gameplay mechanics that make every game the same game from every other publisher just with a new co

    11. Re:Seriously by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      The reason retail used shops stopped stocking PC games was because of Steam.

      Nope. Simply not true. I lived through it buddy. Steam did not exist when this started happening - before the internet actually took off in the mid 90's. The reason they stopped was because they got a far better deal from console manufacturers. I remember I started buying my games mail order from places like EBworld because they never had anything in stock in the store - long before Steam (2003) or even Valve (1996) existed.

      My Gamestop was honest with me. That was however the spin put on it by publishers moving to Steam at the time.

      Seriously, you're talking recent history. I'm talking 1990's. This started happening long before you started gaming. People were downloading xwing vs tie fighter from usenet.

      So your completely fine with less choice.

      On the contrary. Shopping online gives you MORE choice. Buying at a local retailer limits you to what they can afford to keep in inventory. Buying online usually gets you a larger selection because online retailers often cheat and sell you stuff they don't actually have in stock at the moment. Or they're a huge operation with virtually everything in stock, but can keep prices down because they don't have to pay for a retail store front and retail staff.

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    12. Re:Seriously by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

      I hope that I'm on the other side on the lawn before the only choice you have is buying online instead of a brick an mortar store. Cars, shoes, pants, shirts, motorcycles, and more are things that you have to "try on" before you buy. Besides; where is the social interaction. Do you like living alone without the possibility of never meeting new, real, people you never met before?

    13. Re:Seriously by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Do you like living alone without the possibility of never meeting new, real, people you never met before?

      Yes!

      I don't live alone, I live with my wife and two dogs.

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  8. anti trust issues will stop MS from going store on by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    anti trust issues will stop MS from going store only and the EU make give them some big smack down if they try to cut off steam / non store games in windows.

  9. It'll bounce back by HalAtWork · · Score: 2

    The MS service has a rotating list of games that only stay on for 30 days, is mostly comprised of first party games and others that are close to $10 used anyway. For RPGs, sports games, multiplayer games, fighting games, etc you're probably going to spend a lot more than 30 days with them, and on top of that you have to download these 20-50+ GB games to play them at all, which realistically limits many americans to 10 games a month if they don't do much else with their internet connection... And how are you going to play through them so quickly before they get swapped out?

    All in all it probably won't change things much for Gamestop, buying a game physically is a lot more convenient and easier to enjoy compared to this service.

    1. Re:It'll bounce back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Games don't stay only for 30 days. You can download them for a minimum of 30 days.

  10. Nothing of value lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not really a fan of gamestop these days, though I used to be.
    I currently live in an area with low bandwidth and it takes me quite awhile to download larger games. So I thought "Why don't I just buy them at the gamestop in town? Then I won't need to download them!" Well, I did that, and when I got home, the box for my pc game was empty, aside from a code to download the game on steam, entirely defeating the purpose.

    Haven't bought anything there since.

  11. Hail Microsoft by Isendur · · Score: 1

    Wasn't there a news about Twitch opening their own online game store? But it's now CLEARLY only because of Microsoft that this company tanks, eh? Well, whatever. I guess it's simply the Circle of Life that the new pushes out the old, right Gamestop?

    1. Re:Hail Microsoft by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      No, that was about Twitch providing a "buy this game" button while you're watching the stream. That button would go to Amazon. It works the same way that the "go to game's page on PSN" works when you're watching a stream on a PS4. In fact the PS4 has had that feature since the beginning.

  12. Gamestop is more than its Stores by QlooQl · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Gamestop owns a sizable chunk of the download business (about $1 billion of digital downloads per year). They also own a chunk of Steam and benefit by selling Steam cards and digital codes and will sell the Xbox cards. I don't think the closing of stores is new, that is inevitable. Gamestop's plan to convert old stores to ThinkGeek stores is probably going to go the way of Sharper Image... The console refresh cycle is just beginning though. I know it's impossible for /. readers to comprehend, but not everyone thinks computers and digital downloads are "easy".

  13. Still need a disc if you own more than one Xbox... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The service is kind of worthless if you own more than one Xbox and want to actually use both at the same time....so I force my kids to use the used Gamestop disc and I get the digital download. I get why they don't allow more than one account online at any given time but they should be able to detect that the systems are on the same network or bring back the family access feature.

  14. Nintendo Switch release by trawg · · Score: 1

    It'll be interesting to see if the release of the Nintendo Switch recovers some of this loss. I'm not into Nintendo stuff but a bunch of friends have spoken very highly of it so far (or at least the new Zelda game). I can imagine if they get a bunch of sales in the next couple weeks, they can make a song and dance about it and it might have a strong upward effect on the price.

    1. Re:Nintendo Switch release by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      > It'll be interesting to see if the release of the Nintendo Switch recovers some of this loss.

      It won't. More importantly, it can't.

      This loss is based on speculation- this is about Gamestop's stock market price. It is going down because people are assuming that the company is more likely to experience hardship as a result of Microsoft's latest whatevermajig.

      The Switch, on the other hand, is a known quantity, and everyone is assuming it will sell out immediately, because Nintendo never makes enough for their demand. So if Gamestop sells every Switch that they see, that's what everyone is assuming. And it isn't like Gamestop has some great claim on the Switch as opposed to say, Best Buy, Wal*mart, Amazon, Toys Backwards "R" Us, etc. The Switch games could outsell predictions, and that would help the whole retail video game sector, but it is unlikely to be a huge driver, given that it is just one of many categories of products sold.

      The Switch could be a success, or a moderate failure, and not impact Gamestop's stock price much- or their bottom line, really.

      Keep in mind that stock prices at best only represent a best guess situation anyway.