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California Government On the Dangers of Cellphones (cbslocal.com)

mi quotes a report from CBS Local: After keeping it hidden for years, California's Department of Public Health has released a draft document outlining health officials' concerns about cellphone radiation exposure. The previously unpublished document was released this week after a judge indicated she would order the documents be disclosed. Health officials' overall recommendation is to "increase the distance between you and your phone" by using a headset, the speaker phone function and text messaging. Health officials recommend not sleeping near your phone and not carry it in your pocket or directly on your body, unless it is off. The fact sheet also states that "EMFs can pass deeper into a child's brain than and adult's" so suggests parents limit their child's cellphone use to texting, important call and emergencies.

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  1. Sigh... by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If that's the case, then the entire human race needs to move to the bottom of salt mines, because the amount of radiation being produced by the sun ought to fry our brains by the time we're six months old.

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    1. Re:Sigh... by Spazmania · · Score: 3, Informative

      The document was unreleased because it was a factually wrong draft. A corded phone produces a weaker EMF than a wired headset? Really?

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    2. Re:Sigh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The tissues do get warmer according to some studies with heavy use in areas with bad cell reception (equals maximum handset power), but whether that is harmful within the recommended maximum power limits of 2 watts, that is the question.

    3. Re:Sigh... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't know if their concerns are valid or not.

      The concerns are not valid. There are two ways you can determine this for yourself: The finger method, or the brain method.

      Finger method: Type some search terms into a browser and try to find peer reviewed research that shows cellphone radiation is dangerous. You won't find any. You will, however, find plenty of ranting by crackpots.

      Brain method: Think about what radiation is, and how it could damage a brain. There are two ways that could happen: heat and ionization. Cellphone radiation produces a negligible amount of the first, and none of the second.

      In the absence of either evidence or plausible mechanism, it is safe to presume cellphone radiation harmless. You should find something else to worry about.

    4. Re:Sigh... by zerocool512 · · Score: 4, Informative

      How do you know that heat and ionization are the only ways RF radiation can harm a brain?

      It's well known that exposure to UV increases the risk of skin cancer. Is that heating or ionization?

      That would fall under ionization

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    5. Re:Sigh... by nbauman · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Several years ago, the IEEE Spectrum had a big article in which they tried to find the best current evidence on whether cell phones emitted harmful radiation. So they reviewed all the major studies.

      They had 2 interesting results:

      1. In the best evidence for the harms of EMF, the radiation wasn't steady over long periods of time, but intermittent, with exposures of minutes to hours every day.

      2. Studies of household radiation found the highest levels of EMFs from 2 sources: hair dryers and blenders.

      So if you're really worried about EMFs, you should get rid of hair dryers and blenders.

      I showed the IEEE Spectrum issue to Louis Slesin, the editor of Microwave News, and asked him about it. He refused to comment. I said, why not? He said, I just don't want to comment.

    6. Re:Sigh... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is it impossible that you are wrong, and that heat and ionization are not the only way that a brain could be affected?

      Nothing is completely impossible, but this issue has been studied to death. Billions of people use cellphones. If there was an issue it would have shown up in epidemiological data long ago.

      Doing yet more research is nearly pointless. It would be far better to focus resources on other health issues that are supported by actual evidence rather than pseudoscience.

    7. Re:Sigh... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's well known that exposure to UV increases the risk of skin cancer. Is that heating or ionization?

      UV light causes ionization. Furthermore, there is ACTUAL EVIDENCE that UV light causes cancer. Skin cancer is highly correlated with UV exposure. Americans are more likely to get skin cancer on their left arm. Australians tend to get it on their right arm. The only plausible explanation for that is that Americans drive on the right, and Aussies on the left, exposing different arms to the sun.

      If cellphones cause cancer, there would be similar disparities in brain cancer incidence depending on whether the cellphone is held to your right ear or left ear. Researchers have looked for this, and found no significant difference in cancer rates between "listening side" and "non-listening side". There is also no evidence that heavy cell users have higher rates of brain cancer.

      Is it possible that that we have missed something? Sure, but maybe we also missed Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster.

    8. Re:Sigh... by Sark666 · · Score: 2

      What are these images showing that were making the rounds years ago?

      https://userscontent2.emaze.co...

    9. Re: Sigh... by PoopJuggler · · Score: 2

      Trump was never the best candidate. He's just a good con-man.

    10. Re:Sigh... by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      More importantly, cumulative exposure is important. Just because you use your phone does not mean the sun stops shining. Just because you use your phone, does not mean power lines stop generating powerful electromagnetic fields. Just because you use your phone does not mean airfield radars stop. Just because you use your phone does not mean radio and tv transmissions stop. On it's own, with limited use, probably not a problem, added to the rest, yeah, a problem ie using you phone, next to an airport, whilst police operate a radar speed strap and your standing under power lines having just come from a dentists xrays, yep, you are frying the fuck out of your DNA, keep it up and cancer will be in your destiny and make no fucking mistake.

      Bugger the phone marketdroid lies, cumulative impact from multiple radiation sources is as dangerous as fuck and you do not want to keep adding more and more because on it's own the new one is not so bad but is is most definitely not on it's own, idiots (that final straw means death by cancer).

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    11. Re: Sigh... by ljw1004 · · Score: 2

      You said you can use your brain and realize only way radiation can damage the brain is through heating or ionization.

      How do you know there's not a third mechanism, where the brain acts like a mini antenna and gets minor electrical signals? And maybe these are harmful in some way, not a big thing like an epileptic fit, but maybe more subtle, maybe that hits a frequency that triggers bad effects? I think that bird brains have a kind of electromagnetic compass so we know that some brains do respond to electromagnetic fields. And sharks sense by electrical fields.

      I'm not saying these are true. I just think they'd need to be ruled out by you 'finger' method of looking at scientific research, and that your 'brain'method isn't enough...

    12. Re:Sigh... by sjames · · Score: 2

      Yes, really. The corded phone doesn't have to emit microwaves strong enough to reach the nearest tower. The wired headset will conduct at least some of the microwave radiation directly to your ear.

      The question of harm is a different matter.

  2. Whole Room Device Charging by dave562 · · Score: 2

    Recently there was a story here about a room that can charge any device that enters into it. I cannot wait to see the health issues that arise from that.

  3. Real or Fake News? by s.petry · · Score: 2

    I'm so confused....

    That said, RF is dangerous depending on signal strength and exposure time. I don't, out of long time habits instilled in the Military, keep a cell phone by my head. I use headphones. Can the body tolerate the cell phones? Probably, but it's kind of like eating bacon. It tastes really good but in large quantities is not very healthy. Everything in moderation was coined quite wisely.

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    1. Re:Real or Fake News? by msauve · · Score: 5, Funny

      With or without a tinfoil hat?

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    2. Re:Real or Fake News? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    3. Re:Real or Fake News? by msauve · · Score: 2

      It depends on what one means by "RF". If it's a synonym for EM radiation, sure, you can get sunburn. But it's more often used to refer to much lower frequencies (Wiki says <300 GHz, for what it's worth). Sunburn is caused mostly by ultraviolet, at more like 1000000 GHz (1 PHz).

      I believe the OP was using the more limited, and common, definition, and I don't believe there's enough solar energy at those frequencies to cause harm.

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  4. Re:This again?? by CaptainDork · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't care who you are, this is funny.

    The takeaway is that I don't care who you are.

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  5. California's Department of Public Health by PPH · · Score: 3

    Protecting rats from cancer since 2007.

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    1. Re:California's Department of Public Health by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Funny

      Protecting rats from cancer since 2007.

      Why are politicians getting extra protection?

  6. Re:So which is it? by PPH · · Score: 2

    (b)

    There was no Cowboy Neal option.

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  7. Natl. Cancer Institute's Explanation by coldandcalculating · · Score: 5, Informative

    Cell Phones and Cancer Fact Sheet

    "Exposure to ionizing radiation, such as from x-rays, is known to increase the risk of cancer. However, although many studies have examined the potential health effects of non-ionizing radiation from radar, microwave ovens, cell phones, and other sources, there is currently no consistent evidence that non-ionizing radiation increases cancer risk (1).

    "The only consistently recognized biological effect of radiofrequency energy is heating. The ability of microwave ovens to heat food is one example of this effect of radiofrequency energy. Radiofrequency exposure from cell phone use does cause heating to the area of the body where a cell phone or other device is held (ear, head, etc.). However, it is not sufficient to measurably increase body temperature, and there are no other clearly established effects on the body from radiofrequency energy."

    Sleep easily next to your smartphone tonight.

    1. Re:Natl. Cancer Institute's Explanation by alexo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      On the other hand:

      The WHO/International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) has classified radio-frequency electromagnetic fields as possibly carcinogenic to humans (Group 2B), based on an increased risk for glioma, a malignant type of brain cancer, associated with wireless phone use.

      -- http://www.iarc.fr/en/media-ce...

      If scientific bodies are still not on the same page, what can we expect of laypeople?

    2. Re:Natl. Cancer Institute's Explanation by coldandcalculating · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's a fair point. Just remember, according to that classification system cellphones are in the same group as Carpentry and Joinery (p.7).

      Granted, I cherry picked that from the list but the reason for a 2B designation is that they don't have the statistical power from their study to rule it out as a cause of gliomas, which means that the incidence is very low in exposed vs. unexposed populations. I think it's safe to say that as long as laypeople are okay with living in a house made of carpentry then they should be okay with using a cell phone.

    3. Re:Natl. Cancer Institute's Explanation by alexo · · Score: 2

      "Carpentry and Joinery" includes adhesives, which often contain formaldehide. High exposure (such as, say, being a carpenter) does carry a risk.

      You need to pick your cherries better :)

    4. Re:Natl. Cancer Institute's Explanation by coldandcalculating · · Score: 2

      The whole point being that dosage is critical in all of these cases.

      "Formaldehyde is also produced naturally in the human body. It is essential for the production of some basic biological materials, such as certain amino acids. Amino acids are necessary for important life processes as they are the building blocks of proteins in the body."

      It's normal but unnecessary for laypeople to be afraid of cell phones, just like it's normal but unnecessary for them to fear formaldehyde in small amounts. Now, as for that guy whose job it is to adjust active microwave relays...

  8. Warning by slapout · · Score: 2

    This post is known to the State of California to cause cancer

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  9. It will be kind of like cigarettes.. by Neuronwelder · · Score: 2

    A few subtle warnings over the next few years, And finally: A warning label on the side of the phone.

  10. National Cancer Institute disagrees by tomhath · · Score: 5, Informative

    The referenced draft document simply states that IF you are concerned about it, here's how to reduce exposure. It doesn't state that RF exposure is dangerous.

    In fact the National Cancer Institute says the opposite:

    What the study showed: No association was observed between cell phone use and the incidence of glioma, meningioma, or acoustic neuroma, even among people who had been cell phone subscribers for 13 or more years

  11. Re:Draft Document != hidden by Major+Blud · · Score: 2

    This. This document doesn't list a single reference. Not a single reference to a case study, a research institution, or even the name of a doctor.

    The article has this to mention:

    "n the draft fact sheet, state health officials list their recommendations for members of the public who wish to reduce their exposure to the radiation emitted from cellphones, but state that as more studies are done the recommendations on the fact sheet may change."

    Okay, I'm down with that, but can you tell us what their original studies were that prompted you to put this in the fact sheet?

    This is the same type of nonsense that gives us anti-vaxxers and homeopathy.....a lot of data from a seemingly trustworthy source without any context.

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  12. Re: California government on aqueduct maintenance by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

    Actually the lead pipes in Flint Michigan didn't become a serious problem until highly polluted water was run through them. Lead pipes develop a patina that shields the water running through it. The switch to nasty contaminated river water corroded the pipes and introduced the large amount of lead that is the problem now.

  13. This post is know to the State of California... by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 2

    Always love seeing those labels "The product is known to the State of California to contain chemicals that may cause cancer." Nobody else knows, though, which should tell you everything you need to know about the State of California thinking they're smarter than its citizens who wouldn't be able to go about their lives without the State telling them to.

  14. Re:a flat metal square someone can stand on. A jag by Megol · · Score: 2

    Remote charging is possible with "smooth analog waves" and the rest of your post is equally crap.