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New Bill Would Allow Employers To Demand Genetic Testing From Workers (businessinsider.com)

capedgirardeau quotes a report from Business Insider: A little-noticed bill moving through the U.S. Congress would allow companies to require employees to undergo genetic testing or risk paying a penalty of thousands of dollars, and would let employers see that genetic and other health information. Giving employers such power is now prohibited by U.S. law, including the 2008 genetic privacy and nondiscrimination law known as GINA. The new bill gets around that landmark law by stating explicitly that GINA and other protections do not apply when genetic tests are part of a "workplace wellness" program. The bill, HR 1313, was approved by a House committee on Wednesday, with all 22 Republicans supporting it and all 17 Democrats opposed. The 2008 genetic law prohibits a group health plan -- the kind employers have -- from asking, let alone requiring, someone to undergo a genetic test. It also prohibits that specifically for "underwriting purposes," which is where wellness programs come in. "Underwriting purposes" includes basing insurance deductibles, rebates, rewards, or other financial incentives on completing a health risk assessment or health screenings. In addition, any genetic information can be provided to the employer only in a de-identified, aggregated form, rather than in a way that reveals which individual has which genetic profile. There is a big exception, however: As long as employers make providing genetic information "voluntary," they can ask employees for it. Under the House bill, none of the protections for health and genetic information provided by GINA or the disabilities law would apply to workplace wellness programs as long as they complied with the ACA's very limited requirements for the programs. As a result, employers could demand that employees undergo genetic testing and health screenings.

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  1. Those emails, though by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The bill, HR 1313, was approved by a House committee on Wednesday, with all 22 Republicans supporting it and all 17 Democrats opposed.

    Freedom.

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    1. Re:Those emails, though by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Informative

      The committee is not the entire House. If you think all GOP are going to support it you're insane.

      No, the ones who are in vulnerable districts will be given a pass, but only after they know they have enough Republican votes to pass it. This phenomenon even has a name. It's called the "Hastert Rule", proudly named after its inventor, a long-time Republican House leader who was also a pedophile and is currently in prison.

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    2. Re:Those emails, though by cyber-vandal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Mishandling highly classified documents and running a private email server to avoid freedom of information laws is the bit you missed out. Perhaps the Dems should have voted for the anti-Establishment candidate in the primaries rather than crowning Queen Hillary and then perhaps we'd not be faced with four years of that orange lunatic.

    3. Re:Those emails, though by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's no evidence Clinton was trying to avoid FoIA requests.

      As for the last sentence, perhaps the Republicans shouldn't have run that orange lunatic in the first place. Are you seriously going to blame Democrats for that? That's absurd.

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    4. Re:Those emails, though by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Informative
      There's definitely evidence of it. For example, NPR quotes Dan Metcalfe:

      He said what was "unprecedented" actually was Clinton's exclusive use of private email and her own Internet service provider in lieu of an official account "so that the records of her email account would reside solely within her personal control at home." That means "she managed successfully to insulate her official emails, categorically, from the FOIA, both during her tenure at State and long after her departure from it — perhaps forever." He called that "a blatant circumvention of the FOIA by someone who unquestionably knows better.

      It is certain that she didn't like email because of the risk of investigation, see this video clip.

      All of this really doesn't matter anymore though, it's in the past and more an issue for historians than anything.

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  2. Re:New bill allows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    My mom doesn't need a bill for that. She is a grown woman and what she decides to do in the privacy of her home with one or more willing partners is neither my business, nor the governments.

  3. Re:Yes those emails by jpatters · · Score: 5, Informative

    The emails were a felony only in your imagination. If the Republicans keep pulling shit like this they will become even more irrelevant in reality than you imagine the other party is.

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  4. BS summary by tranquilidad · · Score: 3, Informative

    The linked article can't be read if an adblocker is active.

    The current state of the law:

    Employees who refuse to participate in an employer wellness program can be charged up to 50% more for employer-provided health insurance.

    If genetic testing is part of the wellness program then employees have to voluntarily authorize the genetic test. If an employee participates in the wellness program but declines included genetic testing then they can't be penalized with the higher insurance premiums.

    The new state of the law, if this bill passes:

    Employees who refuse genetic testing that is part of a wellness program can be considered non-participants in the wellness program and be charged the higher insurance premiums.

    The comment in the summary that the new bill would "...let employers see that genetic and other health information." is the current state of the law as it relates to wellness programs (Work wellness programs put employee privacy at risk). There is nothing in the new bill that suddenly decreases patient/employee privacy.

    "Mandatory" wellness programs, themselves, were controversial and lacked privacy protections when the Democrats insisted everyone participate. They're no less controversial today as the Republicans expand those wellness programs with additional components.

  5. Gattaca by Stephenmg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So we will soon have Gattaca? https://www.themoviedb.org/mov...

    1. Re:Gattaca by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Pfffffffft, that's NOTHING. You should see the death panels we have up here in socialist Canada. They're literally at the door of the hospital. If you get sent to the waiting room on the right, you're not ever going home. I hear they take you to the "waiting room" where they use a bolt gun to finish you off, divy up your organs and grind up the rest into government issue dog food. I know someone who's cousin's relatives were given an urn full of cigarette ashes and told to kiss off. Don't even get me started about the 98% tax rate on income over $20!

    2. Re:Gattaca by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Standardized testing and exams should have filtered most by merit before university over the past decades.

      no. Standardized testing just isn't that good. It correlates well with success in America, because y'all so obsessed with it that you make good performance a requirement for success, so it becomes self fulfilling.

      The problem is educators keep wanting

      Nope. That's the domain of politicians and whoever they stuff into the upper echelons of the relevant organisations. Actual teachers seem to despise the testing obsession since it's stressful for everyone, and a pointless waste of time.

      Most of the smart nations mix in a bit of an IQ test with their standardized testing and just never have to face such issues.

      That's just gibberish. IQ tests are not a panacea which actually do anything at all. The only thing they reliably predict is performance on IQ tests. They're also poorly correlated with success because they don't test anything particularly useful and emphasise speed over depth. Also, the country work abort the highest rate of top rated universities per capita doesn't do standardised testing. It ain't perfect bet there's nothing nearly so silly all stuffing IQ tests into the exams.

      You can't fix social mobility with IQ tests. Hell you can't fix ANYTHING with IQ tests.

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    3. Re:Gattaca by Freischutz · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You can't fix social mobility with IQ tests. Hell you can't fix ANYTHING with IQ tests.

      My cousin was sent to a special needs class which in Germany at the time effectively destroyed any hope you had of ever getting into a University. This was done on the basis of an analysis of his grades and an IQ test. He ended up being sent to a vocational school and graduated as a plumber because the specialists in classifying humans by IQ declared that with his limited intelligence a lowly plumber was the most he could ever hope to aspire to. He eventually escaped this system of human quality classification after he graduated by completing a business degree at a private school. He now owns a big plumbing company and by big I mean the kind of company that bids for substantial contracts like doing the plumbing large office buildings and factories. I have seen enough similar examples for me to conclude that IQ tests are at best an extremely inaccurate instrument and at worst completely useless.

  6. voluntary by bugs2squash · · Score: 4, Funny

    The eye gouging program is entirely voluntary.

    Employees can qualify for not having premiums doubled by simply removing an eye. It's not our fault, but our fiduciary responsibility to maximize shareholder value. And you'll still be able to see if you were responsible and maintained two healthy eyes prior to the program. It won't reduce our healthcare costs if you join the program, but it will reduce our payroll costs if you fail to qualify for the discount.

    Rest assured that you can't be penalized under current law if the eyeball you submit for testing is defective in any way, but should the legal landscape change we may be forced to re-evaluate the policy.

    Have a nice day

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  7. Fake news ahoy! by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was wondering about this so I googled it. Dems opposed mandatory wellness back in 2013. tranquilidad is full of it. Got modded up to +5 even.

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  8. Re:Yes those emails by presidenteloco · · Score: 3, Informative

    So they're a felony for Pence then, is what you're saying.

    And it's a much worse felony, presumeably, that President Trump communicates about governance related issues using his unsecured Android phone.

    Hypocrisy of the highest order.

    The whole email affair was a mountain made out of a mole hill to scam gullible people into voting for someone who wants f*cking corporations to have the right to demand genetic testing of employees if it will notch up their profit one notch.

    F*ck people are stupid. Is there another planet with intelligent life?

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  9. get rid of employer health plans by ooloorie · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The biggest problem with the US health insurance is the way it's tied to employment: it means that people end up in weird employment-based risk pools, that they lose health care when they lose their jobs, and that people don't get the same kind of tax breaks when insured on their own.

    There are plenty of the proverbially "advanced nations" that have private health care instead of "single payer"; however, they usually have private health plans that aren't tied to employers. That's what Congress should fix, first by giving individuals the same kind of tax breaks as employers for health plans, and then by gradually phasing out employer-based health plans altogether.

  10. Re:Yes those emails by EmeraldBot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ahh, blaming an enemy for his opponent's practices. If only the French were strong enough to defeat the Nazis, then we'd never have had world war II, so therefore France should pay for all of Germany's reparations. And then opposing a nutbag of conspiracy theories makes one partisan, which somehow ruins a republic, so you need to be partisan for my side so we're not partisan and lacking in integrity and somehow all of the problems in today's society will fix themselves without my dedicating an iota of thought.I love the acrobatic logic, truly.

    Now, hmm. A moron of a president who doesn't know the first thing about politics, a chamber with a brand of conservatives dedicated to opposing the moderates in their own party, widespread differences in view with no interest in attempting any sort of reconciliation, occupying a number of incredibly unpopular views while making promises they know they can't keep, having lost the culture war 20 years ago and losing more each day, having virtually no sway with all of the increasing voter demographics, and being hopelessly out of touch with their own voters on topics such as healthcare, and uh, yeah. I am hugely afraid of all the stupid and damaging legislation that could be passed in the next 4 years. I am not at all worried they'll stay in power after that at the rate they're going, and if they keep shooting themselves in the foot by making policies that hurt their own voters the most, that might not even take four years.

    The bigger question I have for you is, what about them makes you want to support them?

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  11. Re:Yes those emails by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    8 years ago, the Democrats held the Presidency, both Houses and 57% of governorships. Yet here we are.

    This is part of the normal political pendulum. People become disillusioned with whatever party is in power because problems aren't being solved. So they vote the other guys in, and then slowly realize that the other party doesn't have any solutions either.

  12. Re:Republican Freedom by Gavagai80 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The ACA was a tax based on the belief that everybody has a right to life. Thanks to your higher premiums, I was able to get free coverage after so many years without insurance. Thank you for involuntarily saving my life. Sorry you had to drive a slightly worse car because of it.

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  13. Re:Republican Freedom by OrangeTide · · Score: 5, Informative

    Thank you for voting Democrat in 2008 and 2012 - you helped more than double my insurance costs

    You can blame lobbyists and the Republican filibuster on earlier attempts for single payer. Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) was a compromise reached through negotiation with insurance lobbyists. It is modeled on the earlier Massachusetts Accountable Health Care act (Romneycare), and mainly adds requirements for insurance providers to cover preventative care and has provisions to expand Medicare. But the rest of it remain the same, it's an expansion of a system that Massachusetts already has operated successfully.

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  14. Re:Yes those emails by rrohbeck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not everybody is as rational as you. If you bought the propaganda hook, line and sinker then you're emotionally invested and the current government can do nothing wrong.

  15. Tool For Trouble by JimSadler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Way back in the 1980s when companies complained of insurance rates for their workers the sales agents would casually mention that if a few of the older workers were laid off the insurance rates would go way down. Companies could create excuses for laying off or firing older workers and frequently did so. You can bet that with genetic testing any individuals will be laid off or prevented from advancement so that they are frustrated and quit their jobs. Companies need to be prohibited from gaining any knowledge of a worker's DNA.

  16. Re:Yes those emails by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why do you say SJWs aren't a thing?

    Because they're not. It's become a catch-phrase dogwhistle used to shout down arguments. Like: You said Y which makes you an SJW. You're an SJW, and SJWs do X therefore you believe X. And various other things. It's used as nothing else other than a random grab-bag mishmash of "shit I hate on the internet".

    AmiMojo's sig qouting an AC has it nailed: someone I don't like and by the way I'm a fuckwit.

    Please supply another definition if you disagree, but I've yet to see a remotely meaningful definition that fits the rather broad and perverse set of things SJWs have been accused of doing.

    No one but him (a white guy) was offended but the major UK retailer caved just in case a shitstorm ensued.

    Companies care desperately about PR. Welcome to the vaguely modern world.

    No one but him

    If you want to cherry pick the craziest crazy you can find, go ahead, I'm sure I can find equally crazy people (or more so). That doesn't really prove anything.

    was offended

    Speculation. As far as you know, no one but him complained, but you're speculating on people's internal mental state. Given that there wasn't a huge outcry, it's reasonable to assume that not _many_ people were offended. I've no idea how many people even saw it. I'm a regular Metro reader and I hadn't seen that article until you posted the link.

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  17. Yes, there's a fire by fyngyrz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If your house is on fire, you get a bucket. You don't give the Joker an unlimited supply of napalm, some matches, and point him at your front door.

    You just don't get that many people voted "against" Hillary, and she was such a horrifying person that they could vote for even Trump.

    I get that they were so bewildered by right wing agitprop and the sabotage that Comey engaged in just before the vote that they ended up feeling that way. I also get that this was both a highly inaccurate representation of what was really going on, and that now, post-error, confirmation bias drives people to claim they were justified when it is patently obvious that they were not. Rational behavior is not generally the rule of the day when someone has committed a huge screwup, a fact Trump voters now must eventually face.

    I have often discussed Clinton's shortcomings, which are many. As are those of the system she operates within in the usual manner of a bought-and-paid for politician. But compared to Trump who is both an idiot and a threat to the country's ultimate stability, she's a genius and a patriot. Voting for Trump "because Clinton" inevitably means you didn't understand one or the other of the two candidates, or possibly both. Some of that is because of crazytarded activity on the part of Drudge, Breitbart, Fox News and so forth. But some of it is because people were too lazy to do their own fact checking. And some, of course, because the Gaussian goes quite a distance to the left before "you can't vote" shows up as a differentiator.

    Barring impeachment, which really isn't all that likely, we're in for a minimum of two years of continuing lies, idiotic behavior, and structural damage to the system that will reach into people lives and do very serious harm -- as it has already been doing.

    Likely it'll get fixed, inasmuch as (a) Trump lost the actual vote, only gaining office because of the duty-abrogating machinations of the electoral college, which provides us with the incontrovertible fact that the majority of people were against him becoming president; and (b) at this point, no one is guessing if Trump is as big an idiot in real life office as the idiot he was playing on television. Now there is no doubt. So odds are excellent that there's going to be quite a backlash come 2018.

    But it's still going to be a rough couple of years.

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