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New Bill Would Allow Employers To Demand Genetic Testing From Workers (businessinsider.com)
capedgirardeau quotes a report from Business Insider: A little-noticed bill moving through the U.S. Congress would allow companies to require employees to undergo genetic testing or risk paying a penalty of thousands of dollars, and would let employers see that genetic and other health information. Giving employers such power is now prohibited by U.S. law, including the 2008 genetic privacy and nondiscrimination law known as GINA. The new bill gets around that landmark law by stating explicitly that GINA and other protections do not apply when genetic tests are part of a "workplace wellness" program. The bill, HR 1313, was approved by a House committee on Wednesday, with all 22 Republicans supporting it and all 17 Democrats opposed. The 2008 genetic law prohibits a group health plan -- the kind employers have -- from asking, let alone requiring, someone to undergo a genetic test. It also prohibits that specifically for "underwriting purposes," which is where wellness programs come in. "Underwriting purposes" includes basing insurance deductibles, rebates, rewards, or other financial incentives on completing a health risk assessment or health screenings. In addition, any genetic information can be provided to the employer only in a de-identified, aggregated form, rather than in a way that reveals which individual has which genetic profile. There is a big exception, however: As long as employers make providing genetic information "voluntary," they can ask employees for it. Under the House bill, none of the protections for health and genetic information provided by GINA or the disabilities law would apply to workplace wellness programs as long as they complied with the ACA's very limited requirements for the programs. As a result, employers could demand that employees undergo genetic testing and health screenings.
than anything else.
The bill, HR 1313, was approved by a House committee on Wednesday, with all 22 Republicans supporting it and all 17 Democrats opposed.
But remember, folks: both sides are bad and all truly intelligent people choose not to vote.
Freedom.
You are welcome on my lawn.
I guess NASA was right after all.
Your mom to be a whore
The easy way to avoid this is obvious. Don't join the "workplace wellness" program. It's already not health insurance, so it's not anything that is regulated well enough to make it useful to you, the employee. Fuck it.
Twenty-two motherfuckers who'll be first up against the wall, come the revolution.
The emails were a felony. No amount of being against something you dislike changes that fundamental fact, nor does the continuous drain of people away from support of the Democrats.
Perhaps if you truly dislike things like this bill, you should consider supporting Republicans in primaries that also dislike this bill. Then you would have a real shot at actually changing the law. As it is you choose to continue for a violent felon in support of a dying party that grows more and more distant from prospects of mattering at all.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
So eventually employers will be able to clone their favorite employees and yes men/women.
How much are they going to pay me for it?
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
So to recap, this gives employers your DNA analysis and FCC the removal of the privacy rule, means ISPs can sell your browser history, simply by putting a clause in their EULA, which lets them sell it for marketing, and even to your employer.
And the health insurance for employers becomes optional, but there will be a raise in premiums if its not paid of 30%. i.e. employer will not pay the health insurance, and you'll pay 30% more for your own health insurance as a result.
Your employer owns your ass.
But hey, Putin voted for this President, so you suck it up snowflake Amerikan.
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The current state of the law:
Employees who refuse to participate in an employer wellness program can be charged up to 50% more for employer-provided health insurance.
If genetic testing is part of the wellness program then employees have to voluntarily authorize the genetic test. If an employee participates in the wellness program but declines included genetic testing then they can't be penalized with the higher insurance premiums.
The new state of the law, if this bill passes:
Employees who refuse genetic testing that is part of a wellness program can be considered non-participants in the wellness program and be charged the higher insurance premiums.
The comment in the summary that the new bill would "...let employers see that genetic and other health information." is the current state of the law as it relates to wellness programs (Work wellness programs put employee privacy at risk). There is nothing in the new bill that suddenly decreases patient/employee privacy.
"Mandatory" wellness programs, themselves, were controversial and lacked privacy protections when the Democrats insisted everyone participate. They're no less controversial today as the Republicans expand those wellness programs with additional components.
So we will soon have Gattaca? https://www.themoviedb.org/mov...
Rank your job interviews by merit as always.
But what to do with all the failed average applicants who still demand full employment?
The genetic test result can then sort all applicants who have no skill but still have to be considered.
Finally a way to not have to consider a lot of applicants for a reason other than saying they are lack skills and further education at a top university has not helped.
A work force thats smart and healthy can be hired without the need to explain why all average applicants never got hired.
Their health results are private and all the smart, healthy applicants got to the interview.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Thank you to all those that voted republican, more power to corporations less to individuals.
"In addition, any genetic information can be provided to the employer only in a de-identified, aggregated form, rather than in a way that reveals which individual has which genetic profile"
If you have been awake during any moments of the last 20 years, then you know that the likelyhood of this being violated is as certain as the Sun rising tomorrow.
Even without violating this, I can think of five ways to circumvent it.
Republicans might not have done much planning on the replacement of Obamacare over the last seven years, but they certainly didn't waste much time after the election before getting this in for their Sans-a-Belt buddies. Hard to say which party is worse, really.
I hear copies of Orwell's "1984" are flying off the shelves lately, too.
...on their clothes. Pardon me if that was meat to be the joke.
Of course it does. It's a great bedtime story.
Wages haven't kept up with the increase in the money supply that took place in 2010~. Minimum wage should be $50/hour, salaries should respectively go up 5x-6x.
corporate HR + insurance adjusters = the REAL death panels
(albeit indirectly)
...down the road...if this passes...
The eye gouging program is entirely voluntary.
Employees can qualify for not having premiums doubled by simply removing an eye. It's not our fault, but our fiduciary responsibility to maximize shareholder value. And you'll still be able to see if you were responsible and maintained two healthy eyes prior to the program. It won't reduce our healthcare costs if you join the program, but it will reduce our payroll costs if you fail to qualify for the discount.
Rest assured that you can't be penalized under current law if the eyeball you submit for testing is defective in any way, but should the legal landscape change we may be forced to re-evaluate the policy.
Have a nice day
Nullius in verba
Wellness program incentives / penalties suck and should be illegal.
I do not participate in the wellness program offered at my workplace and as a result I lose out on a 23% premium reduction. I'm not going to jump through silly wellness program hoops and am certainly not going to submit to physical or genetic testing.
slavery is introduced again....
When will this shit finally end?
Keep voting GOP candidates in...
Sooner or later, give them enugh rope and they'll kill off their voters.
I can't wait to see republicans who lose their job due to "private" genetic testing who then vote republican's because they don't have jobs.
And the democrats are not nearly as bad. They are not as good as they could be but they are not even in the same league as the Republicans when it comes to being willing to let people just flat out suffer and die.
For god's sake, make abortion illegal so the republican golem will dissolve and we can stop destroying the country over the issue.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
For the uninformed: Gatica Tailer https://youtu.be/BpzVFdDeWyo
I was wondering about this so I googled it. Dems opposed mandatory wellness back in 2013. tranquilidad is full of it. Got modded up to +5 even.
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The biggest problem with the US health insurance is the way it's tied to employment: it means that people end up in weird employment-based risk pools, that they lose health care when they lose their jobs, and that people don't get the same kind of tax breaks when insured on their own.
There are plenty of the proverbially "advanced nations" that have private health care instead of "single payer"; however, they usually have private health plans that aren't tied to employers. That's what Congress should fix, first by giving individuals the same kind of tax breaks as employers for health plans, and then by gradually phasing out employer-based health plans altogether.
This "we own you" crap - wasn't there a civil war over managers with that sort of attitude?
The start of genetic discrimination, super.
Nazi Germany started this way, and we all know what happened a few year later.
"Under House rules, the Speaker schedules floor votes on pending legislation. The Hastert Rule says that the Speaker will not schedule a floor vote on any bill that does not have majority support within his or her party — EVEN IF THE MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE would vote to pass it"
So the speaker subverts the majority of the votes using his position to prevent votes on bills not supported by his party.
And now we have a President that Americans didn't vote for, they voted by clear majority for the other one.
Robert Mercer you suck as human being.
IMHO "employer-provided health care" should be a voucher up to a certain amount that the employer gives you to spend on any health insurance of your choice. That way it remains a purely financial transaction between you and the employer, while all personal health information remains between you and your insurer. Then there's no excuse for any health information being leaked to your employer. No entrapment that comes about when your employer is the source of your health insurance. If you lose or change your job, you can keep the health insurance - paid out of pocket or with vouchers from your new employer.
I was manager of a small business when we instituted employer-provided health care. The operating premise is that by combining your employees into an insurance pool, it stabilizes both the premiums paid into the pool (one person could quit their job, but it's highly unlikely all your employees will quit their jobs at the same time), as well as the payouts due to employees getting sick (one person can get sick, but it's highly unlikely all your employees will get sick at the same time). But a pool is a pool. Unless your employees are uncharacteristically healthy or unhealthy, there's no statistical difference between a pool of employees, and a pool of random people who bought their own health insurance (out of pocket or using vouchers from their employer).
Even with THEDONALD to bitchslap the acquisitive class into line, the more Randish vipers need harsher encouragement. Bad seeds do bad deeds . An historian thusly might allow a few hundred gulag-ing transits ... decade-wise ... or delta-fn terminations such as a well-maintained medieval kingdom would accept. This ansatz-of-the-yeomanry is not the practice round fans & fannies: you need to rip-wealth-a-new-azzwhole before they rip yours --- same with parasite nibberizing progressives, but that's another essay.
So how does/will this DNA testing work? You send in a cheek swab or something? If so, 'here kitty kitty....'
Failing that (a physical exam where DNA is extracted) is there some topical solution or additive one could pollute samples with that cuts DNA into tiny pieces, so as to make it useless for genomic testing?
Not that any of us should let this pass without a fight -- but if it does, jam the system and jam it hard. If everyone tests as a slime mold, maybe they'll get the point that we don't want to give up this type of info to our employers.
Dear republican voters,
How does it feel to be anal raped by Trump?
Was it everything you hoped for?
Taxes. Compensation in the form of health insurance is not reported as income for the individual and is a write off for the employer. Eliminate this policy in the tax code and all of these sorts of things will likely go away.
You are one of very few people who ever asked this question. Congratulations!
The purpose of this bill is to bypass the ACA's current protection mechanism against discrimination due to preexisting conditions. Currently, we know very little about what sections of our DNA actually does (with a few exceptions) and even less about how sections are activated. How we "know" what risk factors you have via DNA is strictly a statistical analysis and based on observation rather than investigations into a particular gene's function. So really, this just gives insurance companies a blank check to claim any bullshit they want to change people with preexisting conditions. The irony here is that your DNA is the very first condition for coming into existence!
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
Design your kids for traveling to Mars.
Anyone doing something this callous needs to be gone and stay gone.
None of that "we won't vote for you next time" empty threat crap either. The only way anyone is going to learn that there are limits to immorality is by seeing their 22 predecessors on pikes on the way in to the committee.
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,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_sexual_misconduct_allegations, none were really proved. So while I find Clinton abhorrent, you can only say about what is really proved : the sexual harassment lawsuit and the admitted sex with the 2 women. As such the GP is correct.
Furthermore while there was allegation
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Never attribute to incompetence that which can easily be explained by malice.
The reason they are put together is specifically to threaten employees more effectively, ensuring they will accept far worse conditions than if they had a medical safety-net without the employer. There is nothing benign here; the entire concept of this connection stems from the same mindset that had us smashing the ankles off our slaves if they dared to try and run.
The operating premise is that by having your health insurance - and thus potentially the health or even lives of yourself and your immediate family - dependent on your current employment (this is aided by the 'pre-existing conditions' problem should you switch), your employer can quite literally - but indirectly so as to avoid any retaliation or legal ramifications of making such a threat - make threats of serious harm or death should he wish or feel the need to do so.
This helps keep costs down - not in the insurance pool itself, but in the overhead formed by wages, safety equipment and employee benefits. After all; if someone's child needs medical treatment, you've got them by the balls.
You Won.
Seems more like a way of having a DNA database of a large part of the population than anything else.
Then we are the employers of Congress, and we will then have a right to their genetic information? *Drops mic*
Only in America, where children are the property of schools and employees are the property of their employers.
You must immediately hand over all your genetic material or pay a fine of thousands of dollars payable in cash before you leave the building!
America is simply a foul, backwards, barbaric country. It's a slave society worse than anything seen in history (with the possible exception of North Korea)
And the morons who live in it think they stand for Freedom.
Fuck the USA.
In any normal country the insurance industry would be fighting this. Insurance is insuring against risk. Without risk there is no insurance. If an insurance company knows 100% that you will die or cost them something then they won't offer you insurance but if they do offer you insurance then you would be a fool to take it since you aren't going to need it.
This reveals precisely why US businesses run a pension scheme and health insurance for you, the employees: They commit fake socialism so they can keep your hard-earned wages inside their greedy hands. Quit and they can keep your money. Or better, they can sell/dissolve the business and the owners/creditors can legally rob you of your wages: They get free money and you get a boot out the door. (If you don't get booted, it would be stupid to work for the guy that just mugged you.)
In sane countries, the option of not taking employer provided health care is still reasonable.
Therefore it is considered a benefit - in the same way you may not get to choose an employer provided car (or have limited scope) - you can still buy a different car for a reasonable amount.
If you're building on top of a broken system, don't expect the results to be good or fair.
The only reason for a DNA test is them paying for a pre-emptive cure of my genetic defects. That's what "wellness" means, right?
When one is punished, via the loss of wages, for going to work, it is not voluntary. Or maybe employees can leave work 2 hours early every day, until the boss provides a DNA test: It is voluntary, after all.
Translation: Getting rid of the 'every employee gets healthcare' policy and returning to the 'insurance lasts until you get sick' policy. If they have to cure me, it doesn't matter what's in my DNA.
Even if it got as far as passage, it would never survive in courts. First of all, it allows discrimination in compensation based on race. The court arguments will pretty much stop at that. But it also allows discrimination based on yet-to-be-proven-to-be-genetically-caused disabilities. That's going to be enough to get it laughed out of the courts rather than just thrown out.
Any guest worker system is indistinguishable from indentured servitude.
To be glad to be Canadian. My health care is "free" and a bill that would potentially discriminate against you through genetic testing just because you "might" be pre-disposed to have certain illness compared to others, would never pass here.
This is your brain on drugs!
Above poster, you'll scare yourself when you come down from whatever you are on and read what you have written. "Democrats are responsible for Trump being in the White House"? OMFG that's funny.
In some nations these vouchers are provided in a green, folding format (color may vary), and to avoid people spending it all on alcohol you are required to buy insurance.
there's no statistical difference between a pool of employees, and a pool of random people who bought their own health insurance
Not really true. A pool of random people (prior to ACA) don't all buy insurance - and the reasons they don't have a lot to do with how high premiums are for those that do.
The widespread occurrence of employer provided health insurance in the USA is a historical artifact of WWII when the government restricted the freedom of companies to raise salaries to attract workers. Instead, many companies began to offer health insurance as a perq of employment and the system stuck, and even worse, became tax deductible for the company (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=114045132). The one useful thing which (the few remaining) rational Republicans (and many economists) have proposed for health insurance lately is to break the link between health insurance and employment.
...I'll be doing some genital testing on Gina...
"employers could demand that employees undergo genetic testing and health screenings"
:) ) thinking at companies that they are doing their employees some big favor by using their talents, capabilities and time. It's not so. It's an agreement, that until we think our treatment and our compensation is worth lending our resources. Should it become not so, then bummer, this is still a fairly big world with lots of employers in it.
And I could demand that the employer go fsck themselves sideways. There's this still lingering and weird and unhealthy (speaking of
Maybe this sounds a bit idealistic, but acting like a powerless workforce victim will actually get you closer to becoming one.
I am putting myself to the fullest possible use, which is all I can think that any conscious entity can ever hope to do.
Way back in the 1980s when companies complained of insurance rates for their workers the sales agents would casually mention that if a few of the older workers were laid off the insurance rates would go way down. Companies could create excuses for laying off or firing older workers and frequently did so. You can bet that with genetic testing any individuals will be laid off or prevented from advancement so that they are frustrated and quit their jobs. Companies need to be prohibited from gaining any knowledge of a worker's DNA.
Start with decoupling health care from employment. Then we'll talk.
Who ever came up with this idea should be deported. Preferably off planet.
The Canadian Parliament has just passed a bill making this sort of thing illegal.
http://www.hilltimes.com/2017/...
It is a little late, but health care is a provincial matter and there was a reluctance to tread on the provincial toes. Since the provinces have done nothing about privacy of genetic testing, the federal parliamentarians felt it necessary to do something at the national level.
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That requires an assumption that they had ideals regarding decency which required compromise. More likely, their ideals of decency fit right in with taking healthcare away from sick people, raising the prices at big-box stores, bombing / invading anyone handy, telling women what they may and may not do with their own bodies, controlling who uses what bathroom because (cough) "decency", interfering with personal liberties, pushing their particular brand of superstition on everyone else... and so forth.
"Ideal" is not a synonym for "good." It just means circumstances that are optimally congruent with the views of the idealist. That can be very bad indeed.
For example:
o "Ideally, we'd kill all the Muslims"
o "Ideally, women would be at home, either barefoot and pregnant, or virgin"
o "Ideally everyone would believe in the bible"
o "Ideally, there would be prayer in schools"
...those are ideals. Those are ideals that led people to vote for Trump and a large number of people in congress. The people that hold those ideals won't need to compromise them at all in order to maintain their current outlook.
TL;DR: One person's ideals of decency are not any kind of guarantee that the next person's will be even remotely similar.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
https://public.health.oregon.gov/DiseasesConditions/GeneticConditions/Pages/research.aspx
illegal in canada
If the reps work for the people, then we can ask for their genetic information. So let us mount a campaign to do so.
Dear Representative __________,
In the spirit of HR-1313 and it being the case that you are paid by the people you represent, this is a request that you release your genetic data into the public domain.
Regards,
Your Constituent
District ###
Dude,
Seriously, we have got to stop blatantly lying if we're going to get the presidency or house back. When we repeat shit that everyone in the military knows is a BLATANT LIE we lose credibility. We've lost it all. We've lost so badly that people voted for Trump. Seriously, cut that shit.
Congressional members should also be subjected to genetic testing. If they flunk genetic testing they don't get re-elected. The taxpayers would be relieved of the onerous burden of supplying disability accommodations (including glasses and dentures) and increased healthcare for people who are prone to cardiovascular disease and diabetes. Those who don't get re-elected can then find occupations selling stuff at street fairs, since corporations also won't hire anyone with bad genes.
What this bill doesn't do is get rid of the people who are born with good genes but destroy their health through risky behavior.
Eugenics by any other name is still Eugenics.
Your 'acquittal' was a political act by the Congress, he lost the jury trials and was disbarred. Oh yes, he did cut a deal to do that 'voluntarily' in return for not appealing it, but that was a plea deal after he had already lost repeatedly in court.
Let's not forget that the sexual harassment included non-consensual acts, including things like greeting an underling at the hotel room door and propositioning her while naked.
Meanwhile Trump distracts the press with nonsense and everyone falls for that distraction.
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If your house is on fire, you get a bucket. You don't give the Joker an unlimited supply of napalm, some matches, and point him at your front door.
I get that they were so bewildered by right wing agitprop and the sabotage that Comey engaged in just before the vote that they ended up feeling that way. I also get that this was both a highly inaccurate representation of what was really going on, and that now, post-error, confirmation bias drives people to claim they were justified when it is patently obvious that they were not. Rational behavior is not generally the rule of the day when someone has committed a huge screwup, a fact Trump voters now must eventually face.
I have often discussed Clinton's shortcomings, which are many. As are those of the system she operates within in the usual manner of a bought-and-paid for politician. But compared to Trump who is both an idiot and a threat to the country's ultimate stability, she's a genius and a patriot. Voting for Trump "because Clinton" inevitably means you didn't understand one or the other of the two candidates, or possibly both. Some of that is because of crazytarded activity on the part of Drudge, Breitbart, Fox News and so forth. But some of it is because people were too lazy to do their own fact checking. And some, of course, because the Gaussian goes quite a distance to the left before "you can't vote" shows up as a differentiator.
Barring impeachment, which really isn't all that likely, we're in for a minimum of two years of continuing lies, idiotic behavior, and structural damage to the system that will reach into people lives and do very serious harm -- as it has already been doing.
Likely it'll get fixed, inasmuch as (a) Trump lost the actual vote, only gaining office because of the duty-abrogating machinations of the electoral college, which provides us with the incontrovertible fact that the majority of people were against him becoming president; and (b) at this point, no one is guessing if Trump is as big an idiot in real life office as the idiot he was playing on television. Now there is no doubt. So odds are excellent that there's going to be quite a backlash come 2018.
But it's still going to be a rough couple of years.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Yesterday a law for ISPs selling everything about everyone to anybody, now a law about DNA testing. With such an absolute lack of morals it would be only logical to see a law about companies selling your DNA to anyone.
I'm not even in the US and I know these are proposals, but I'm worried whether I'll start seeing this kind of shit being pushed in my country or supranational entity in the 2020s or so.
Now why my comment title? If we're going to live in a depraved dictatorship I would like it to be Soviet style. At least the symbols, army choirs and stuff are fun, and the billionaires who don't toe the party line would get executed. In fact expropriating billionaires from 99.95% of their assets would leave them immensely rich anyway, then we can threaten them and their family with execution and gulags. For the common people? mass surveillance, genetic discrimination, gulags, propaganda but also $200 a month, a bag of rice and some place to dwell in. That could be environmentally friendly. No more requiring $160K just to get by!
Now we have to work out who the Supreme Leader would be and how to unite the US/EU/NATO and eventually the rest of the world into a global dictatorship. If missile defenses really work out, we could initiate a nuclear war, intending to win it. What are the US/EU/NATO building them for anyway? Well, of course to line fat cats's pockets, and they likely won't ever be used for anything. But with missile defenses, kill bots, mass surveillance and such maybe some global Soviet Union can rise?
So, what percentage of low-IQ people go on to be wealthy and successful in enterprises that are very mentally demanding?
If it is 1 in 1000, I would say the system is working phenomenally well.
If it is 1 in 100, the system is still working quite well enough to be valuable.
1 in 10? Maybe then the system should be burned down.
On the flip side....how many high-IQ people DO succeed, as predicted?
Is good for the gander. In other words, will our elected representatives consent to genetic screening? I, for one, would like to see their Î4 stats made available for analysis.
The Russians have won. They have made the world a cesspool of distrust, greed, fear and hate.
Hillary Clinton sold 20% of our uranium to Russia... meanwhile Trump is working with the Ukraine to help keep it independent from Russia.
The masters of manipulation are always the ones who make you think you are working for the other side...
Also of note: Who has communists prominent at every rally? Not Trump, that is the domain of the left. If that isn't a big enough tell for you, not sure what is.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Not only are you still butthurt over losing the popular vote,
1) Who could possibly be hurt over something so irrelevant? Total vote counts do not matter in presidential election. You are basically saying Hillary is so stupid she forgot what office she was running for. Not very flattering.
2) Even if you do care about the popular vote, both Trump and Hillary lost the real popular vote - neither of them got even 50% of all possible voters.
3) Although I don't believe the numbers myself, when you make a claim like "lost the popular vote" to try and put down a Trump voter, remember that a lot of them simply think you are mistaken because so many illegal votes were cast for Hillary. So they "know" they really won the popular vote, and your claiming Hillary won even slightly more votes than Trump among the people who voted just makes you look like a tool. Which you are, but that's another matter.
I'll let you have the last response since liberals just scream louder when they are shown how stupid they are.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
During WWII, the US put various limits in place on resource allocation. One of those things was a wartime limit on salary. That meant employers added benefits instead. One was health insurance. I guess it became expected.
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Still so poignant, even after all these years.
Employees tested. IN-VALID vs VALID. Self-esteem, standing in the community, opportunities or denial of them, all based on someone's genetics.
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Fuck this world I"m ready to die now
This is just some nazis fucking bullshit. The FBI over lords going, "Yesses! It gives the precious DNA's toos ussses!" What doesn't make since is that you can't be charged a fine for this if you quit. Then again, they spin genetic testing like it's fun for the whole family on TV all the time. Government always gets a copy, how don't care what HIPPA law exists. We have these things called history books and you should know better. If I make $100K+, I'd pay the fine. Fuck 'em. Otherwise, a passport and visa is a lot cheaper. I'll gladly wear a turban, drive 80s Mercedes, shoot shit, and have multiple wives. You think if I get a peddler's license in Qatar, they'd drop $500 bills? They always sell the Middle East in the U.S. Like its a shit hole, but I've had friends from there and it's not that bad at all. Or, go to Sweden with free college and blonde hair blue eyed women everywhere. They're even proposing universal income. Taxes are high, but the privacy laws, freedom, and free health/college is totally worth it. This place is honestly starting to suck and I can't help but wonder if we're so far into debt that we signed our souls over to Russia. We kick everyone out while they let everyone in to build their economy back up. Why go overseas when you can just travel north? Hasn't really happened yet, but keep watching. It will. Bringing jobs back is just the solution we all want to work, but it's one that's reached well past its PNR and is only a short term solution and the same people in charge are the same people giving the numbers and those are the same guys that think either don't believe in global warming or think homosexuality is "curable." I just wish my generation wasn't such sheep-like pussies to of let this stuff continue like this.
My employer tried to give me a choice recently: Volunteer for their wellness program, or pay the price for refusing.
My answer was: Neither choice is acceptable. After which, I unenrolled in their health insurance entirely.
There still remained a choice forced on me by the system after that, though: Carry health coverage or pay a tax at the end of the year.
Again, my answer to either option was "no". I wasn't going to give hard earned money to corporate health insurance fascists, nor was I giving it to the government.
I found a loophole in the ACA that was a win-win situation for me. The ACA exempts people from the tax penalty by recognizing four health cost sharing programs that got grandfathered. Three are religion based, requiring a Christian-based faith structure. The fourth one accepts any faith variety as long as you claim it is a sincerely held belief. You could say your faith is based on the Lady Oprah Winfrey for all they care.
That fourth option is called Liberty Healthcare. It isn't as religiously demanding.
The other four are: MediShare, Samaritan Ministries, and Christian Healthcare Ministries.
If a person is able to be at least slightly 'religious' then you can share healthcare costs with others who desire to care for you as well.
There are no mandatory biometric physicals, genetic test requirements, or over-the-top intrusive health risk assessment questionnaires. The only agreed upon requirements between all four are: Don't use tobacco, don't drink excessively, eat healthy and get reasonable sleep.
These programs aren't insurance that can be used to pay for every visit to a doctor for every ache or sniffle. But they ARE designed to cover catastrophic health events that occur for any reason other than harmful habits.
If people want to truly revolt with their wallets, taking their money away from corporate fascists, this is the only way I have found.
The program I chose costs me less than $200 per month for just myself. Not bad considering the prices of most health insurance premiums are double or triple that price.
I have succeeded in my revolt against intrusive, invasive, coercive tactics.
You may want to consider it for yourself, if for no other reason, to exercise swift retribution against those who think they can get away with treating you like slaves.
Come on ppl. You're not even reporting the full story.
http://www.snopes.com/genetic-testing-bill/
....don't I as employer have the right to know what I'm paying for?
If you don't like it, buy your own health insurance.
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
Will be promoted you can bet that.
Canada's a pretty fucking cool place. We'd be happy to have anyone who thinks America is turning into a huge dumpster fire.
The Romans knew how to deal with lawmakers like this. No term limits. Just send in the troops and they will ensure a new election is just around the corner. Now, do people with bad genes need a lobby group? Discrimination is alive and well in order for employers and insurance companies to fatten their bottom lines and some in our congress think it's OK.
It is an incentive to labour, jobs. You get a CAd genetic test for free!
Unless your employees are uncharacteristically healthy or unhealthy, there's no statistical difference between a pool of employees, and a pool of random people who bought their own health insurance (out of pocket or using vouchers from their employer).
This is more or less true, but the solution you propose - "a voucher up to a certain amount that the employer gives you to spend on any health insurance of your choice" - doesn't tie to that premise. If you voucherize, you're removing all pools, not enabling pools for random people. Given that pools stabilize premiums and payouts, the logical choice is to put everyone in the country into a single pool.
WHAT'S TRUE
H.R. 1313 would allow employers to offer substantial health insurance premium rebates to workers who take part in company wellness programs that may include submitting to "health risk assessments" including genetic screening (and thus charge more for insurance to employees who decline to take part).
WHAT'S FALSE
HR 1313 does not allow employers to force all their workers to submit to genetic testing.
Lawmakers are Employees of the Taxpayer. I think Lawmakers should undergo genetic testing before they are ALLOWED to run for any office in any branch of government. FULL DISCLOSURE. We, the people want to know if the person who will be in charge of laws that are passed through are SANE enough to function in a reasonable capacity to be trusted to do so. We, the people want to also know, should you pass the "sanity" test if you have any lurking disease that will prohibit you from working at least 300 days per year minimum for us! We, the people also want to know that your health insurance provider assess the same penalties on you as will be imposed on us as a result of submitting to this "genetic test"! Also while we're at it, We, the people want to make it MANDATORY that ALL of you be directed to provide the last 10 years of Income Tax Returns so that WE the people can review them thoroughly so that we can make SURE that you have no conflict of interests within the perimeters of where you are going to be functioning!
I'm in! Let's keep all of those tribalist bastards out!
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?