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Kickstarter Campaign Aims To Add a Full Android Device To the Back of Your iPhone (macrumors.com)

A new Kickstarter campaign aims to expand the iPhone's functionality with its "Eye Smart iPhone Case," which features a fully functional Android device built into the case itself. The campaign was launched on March 1 and has already raised over $100,000. Mac Rumors reports: An always-on 5-inch AMOLED display is built into the case, which runs the Android 7.1 Nougat operating system. The case connects to the iPhone using its Lightning port to enable file transfers, power delivery, and more. A microSD card slot provides up to 256GB of storage for holding photos, videos, and other media, all of which is accessible using the Android file explorer. A built-in 2,800 mAh battery provides additional charge to the iPhone, and the Eye case itself supports Qi wireless charging. Two SIM card slots are included, and higher-end models support 4G LTE connectivity, so up to three phone numbers can be used with an iPhone. Android exclusive features, like native call recording, the file explorer, customization, file transfers, and Android apps are all made available to iPhone users via the Eye case. A 3.5mm headphone jack lets iPhone owners with an iPhone 7 or an iPhone 7 Plus to use wired headphones with the device, and the Eye case includes NFC, an IR blaster and receiver for controlling TVs and other devices, and a car mount. It's available for the iPhone 6 and later, and will allegedly be available for the new wave of iPhones coming in 2017 within a month of their release. The Smart iPhone Case is available for a Super early bird pledge of $95, with prices going up for 4G connectivity. The estimated retail price is between $189 and $229.

158 comments

  1. Does the Android case need a case? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...and if the Android case needs a case, does it need to be an Android case Android case?

    1. Re: Does the Android case need a case? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Cases all the way down

    2. Re: Does the Android case need a case? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does the Android case need an iphone?

    3. Re: Does the Android case need a case? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tim Cock will follow up with an Android case featuring built-in iphone

    4. Re: Does the Android case need a case? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Turtles all the way down

    5. Re:Does the Android case need a case? by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      Quick, someone start a Kickstarter campaign for a Windows Phone case for the Android case for the iPhone!

  2. Android pretending to be iphone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmm...?!

    1. Re: Android pretending to be iphone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, you've got it completely backwards. The Android "case" is clearly providing all the actual functionality while the iPhone is there simply so the owner can say they own an iPhone.

    2. Re: Android pretending to be iphone by sanf780 · · Score: 0
      But where is the apple logo? No logo, no bragging rights.

      I am still intrigued the arguments in favour of this Frankenphone.

    3. Re: Android pretending to be iphone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Android screen has a circular cutout in the centre so others can see the Apple logo.
      It states it right there in TFA... You must have missed that bit when you were reading it...

    4. Re: Android pretending to be iphone by Arab · · Score: 1, Funny

      Just have your lock screen and background be the Apple logo?

    5. Re: Android pretending to be iphone by unixisc · · Score: 1

      No, you've got it completely backwards. The Android "case" is clearly providing all the actual functionality while the iPhone is there simply so the owner can say they own an iPhone.

      The extra 'functionality' that it provides are increased storage (SD slot), extra battery, headphone jack, 2 extra SIMs and the car mount.

      I have an iPhone 7, and took the 128GB option, so storage ain't an issue for me like it previously was. I don't need the extra battery or headphone jack, and if it comes w/ an e-SIM, then the extra SIMS are also unneeded. In short, all I am doing is thickening the phone, and probably making it tough to fit in my pocket.

      The iPhone's real features come w/ iOS, and not too long ago, it was the only platform for seamless -video calling, w/ FaceTime. Now, WhatsApp has levelled the playing field for all, while Android phones have Hangouts and Duo. In reality, any Android phone from Lollipop onwards is at par w/ iPhones, aside from things like camera resolutions or other hardware niceties. I have an iPhone 7, a Moto X and a Lumia 550, and like all of them. One thing I could use - something that would enable Android apps to run on Windows 10 Mobile

    6. Re: Android pretending to be iphone by Hylandr · · Score: 0

      Then why not buy a damn Android instead of an iPOS I mean iPhone?

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      ~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
    7. Re: Android pretending to be iphone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The extra 'functionality' that it provides are increased storage (SD slot)

      Does it? I mean, yes, it does contain an SD slot, but does it provide increased storage in the manner that most people would want it to (ie, extra storage available to the iPhone)? From TFS:

      A microSD card slot provides up to 256GB of storage for holding photos, videos, and other media, all of which is accessible using the Android file explorer.

      So I can definitely access the storage from the case, but whether or not the iPhone can see the extra storage is not clear. And if the iPhone cannot see it, what would be the point?

    8. Re: Android pretending to be iphone by unixisc · · Score: 1

      I have all 3. The Android for work, the iPhone for home and the Lumia for when I travel abroad and need something to stick a SIM in

    9. Re: Android pretending to be iphone by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Fully agree w/ you here. Like I have a number of music videos that I downloaded from YouTube in Windows, and which I copied onto an SD card that I use on my Ellipsis tablet. If that could be read by the iPhone in iOS, I could set up a playlist of music videos on the iPhone and play it in my car, which only recognizes iPod players from the console (anything else must be Bluetooth connected). But if it can't, it's totally worthless.

    10. Re: Android pretending to be iphone by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      Yes, but the way Apple is going the advantage of iOS will be disappearing. With every major iOS "upgrade" the usability goes down. I just put iOS 10 on my phone and I don't like it but apps are starting to come out that require that version. As an example of the usability issue, in iOS 9 when a reminder came due and showed up on the lock screen you could slide left and have the option to complete it. In iOS 10 if you slide left you can't complete it but you view it and from there you can complete it. Every new major version there seems to be a bunch of new things like this that make the user have to take more steps to accomplish the same task, if it's still possible. You can't change the rating of a song anymore but you can "love" it.

    11. Re: Android pretending to be iphone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did the same thing, except I skipped the part where I need to buy and carry around an iPhone or android with the Lumia.

    12. Re: Android pretending to be iphone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So basically it adds no useful functionality to justify the price.

      iPhone users don't need "Android" what they need is simply a battery back with a USB-C audio/charging/hdmi-out, regular headphone jack, and maybe access to a micro-SD card if it's used as a camera. The problem is "back" type devices obstruct the camera to begin with (though not as bad as Android devices which have cameras more centered.)

      Multi-sim cards is a thing that is completely not useful in North America, and is only useful for travelers that frequently (eg daily) cross multiple borders such as CBSA/CBP/DHS employees on the US/Canada land borders, or truck drivers. They are not practical since you can't answer two calls at once, nor can you make use of two data connections using the same radio.

       

    13. Re: Android pretending to be iphone by unixisc · · Score: 1

      The multi SIM is, however, useful for people who have a home in one country and extended family in another, and who travel in b/w.

    14. Re: Android pretending to be iphone by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I could set up a playlist of music videos on the iPhone and play it in my car,

      This right here is illegal in the US. Any video playing that the driver can see is illegal. Why do you need videos for in the car at all? Why not just play the music?

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  3. a real keyboard by roman_mir · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would rather have a real keyboard added to my Android... RIM is asleep at the wheel, they could be building real keyboards (maybe with extra battery pack in them!) and licensing/selling them as add-ons to existing smart-phones.

    1. Re:a real keyboard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I miss my Droid4....

    2. Re:a real keyboard by Immerman · · Score: 1

      That's what USB adapters are for. Just plug in any nearby USB keyboard into your phone. Not especially convenient, but you can't beat the typing comfort.

      Seriously though, you're right. I'm surprised the market isn't full of various "built in" keyboard cases.

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    3. Re:a real keyboard by Kokuyo · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm in the same boat. A HTC Desire Z or a Communicator 9500 brought up to current tech and phablet size would be a dream come true.

      The only good thing about the Blackberries is that the keyboard doubles as a touchpad. That's nifty. But portrait mode keyboard? Come on, how am I supposed to work with that?

    4. Re:a real keyboard by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      The market isn't filled with built in cases because it is a rather stupid idea.
      1. By the time you get the product out Apple will have a new product with a new form factor so you will need to start over again.
      2. You are spending a lot of money on a case meant to protect your phone from damage but fill it with damagageable technology.
      3. It is huge and bulky
      4. When it is in place it no longer looks like an Apple product
      5. Most people may want 1 or 2 extra features which can be used with a cheaper dongle, that takes less space.
      6. The device is a phone not a PC! You don't get these for all the IO ports and expandability, but for what you get with the device.

      If you want an Android device one with the ports and features you want go ahead there is no shame in that. Also if you find the Apple device does what you want go with that there is also no shame in that.

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    5. Re:a real keyboard by 6Yankee · · Score: 1

      Still carrying my Desire Z and will not be parted from it.

    6. Re:a real keyboard by jon3k · · Score: 1

      Have you seen the KEYone?

    7. Re:a real keyboard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I miss the OG Droids

    8. Re:a real keyboard by unixisc · · Score: 1

      I bought a Bluetooth keyboard from Microcenter that has 3 settings that I can use w/ 3 separate OSs - iOS, Android and Windows. You can use something like it whenever you are doing extensive typing on the phone, like say text or email

    9. Re:a real keyboard by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      I would rather have a real keyboard added to my Android...

      You should get some hardware guys together and do a Kickstarter. The idea is probably not being done by a large company simply because there is not enough of a market for it. I love Kickstarter because it allows for an outlet for small production niche items like your keyboard. You could probably find a decent amount of people willing to spent a bit extra for that idea, but not enough to tempt a large corporation. If you want it, build it yourself and get other people who want the same thing to help you do it. Still, that still leaves the questions of if it is possible, economical, and if the people doing it are capable enough to get it done.

    10. Re: a real keyboard by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      It's REAL market is more likely to be, "people who want to use their phone (or at least, its case) for company email & groupware, but don't want to hand over control of what's literally their most intimate and private data, to their company's IT staff... or at least, compromise the functionality & performance of their own phone by installing invasive MDM software".

      In other words, it's a sacrificial device to let your company's IT staff fuck up so you can spare your REAL one from the same fate.

      Why iPhone? Because it's just about the only phone whose models sell enough identical-form devices AND has a market life longer than the 9-15 months typical for most Android devices. The Galaxy S3 was one of the very, very few Android phones that ever came close (re both total sales AND useful market life). The S8 might sell more in 6 months than the S3 sold in two years, but it'll probably be replaced by the S9 6-9 months after the S8's release, and officially discontinued the same day.

      I can DEFINITELY see someone like Huawei or HTC making a future phone that's basically two independent Android devices sharing one battery. Samsung, probably not, because then they'd have to admit that consumers have legitimate complaints about Knox (complaints mostly due to later changes made at the demand of large enterprise customers... Knox infrastructure ITSELF is fairly benign, but the MDM software used to configure & administer it is as bad as any other MDM thanks to LATER demands imposed by large enterprise customers who insisted upon having complete control over the entire device, as opposed to settling for complete control over Knox's VM and virtual encrypted filesystem).

    11. Re: a real keyboard by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      ^--- Argh. "It's" --> "Its". Damn mobile Slashdot, with its goddamn lack of preview-before-post and tiny 4-line input box. :-(

    12. Re: a real keyboard by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      Well, but TFA is about Android features for iPhone (not Android over Android). So I still agree with GP that it is a stupid idea...

    13. Re:a real keyboard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I wanted a crude, wonky, kludge solution I already have one: onscreen keyboard. The idea of an immediate hard keyboard is convenience.

      And if for some God-forsaken reason I absolutely needed to a lot of typing into my phone, yes, I'd get a USB because neither compares.

    14. Re:a real keyboard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought a Blackberry Passport a few months ago (I think November). I was amazed at how nice it was. I couldn't imagine why it wasn't more popular. Then, when I was on vacation, I was trying to connect it to my computer using bluetooth, and it completely foobared itself. I couldn't use ANY functionality (it have made calls, but I wasn't in the USA, and didn't have a SIM). The only solution was a full factory reset, with loss of data, and performed from a Windows PC. I only had a Mac with me. My Blackberry Passport phone completely shat itself while I was on vacation with no way to recover it until I got home or recover my data (ever). Completely unacceptable. So, I bought another iPhone after I returned. Too bad, it had promise.

  4. Expensive but hilarious joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is an expensive joke, but I wholeheartedly approve. Please make this a thing! This is hilarious. I can't wait to see people trying to use it.

    (Just don't sign me up; I wouldn't use it if you gave it to me for free AND gave me a free unlimited phone plan to go with it.)

    1. Re:Expensive but hilarious joke by sodul · · Score: 1

      They should have hired CrazyRussianHacker to do the ad. Jump at 1:46, "now you got two". See, same concept!

    2. Re:Expensive but hilarious joke by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      Isnt that the guy that tried to kill his viewers with carbon dioxide?

      --
      "His name was James Damore."
    3. Re:Expensive but hilarious joke by sodul · · Score: 1

      Isnt that the guy that tried to kill his viewers with carbon dioxide?

      Even more perfect, when the battery of the Android side catches fire the users get carbon dioxide poisoning.

      Safety is number one priority

      In his defense he does claim to be crazy, what do you expect?

    4. Re:Expensive but hilarious joke by unixisc · · Score: 1

      If it is a lithium ion battery, I don't see the by-product being carbon dioxide: I see it going from Lithium oxide to Lithium carbonate, using a combination of air and moisture i.e. from lithium to lithium oxide to lithium hydroxide to lithium carbonate,

    5. Re:Expensive but hilarious joke by sodul · · Score: 1

      And all that plastic around the whole thing has no carbon in it?

  5. Improvements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Almost as good as owning an Android device

    1. Re:Improvements by unixisc · · Score: 1

      A pretty lame thing to add on an iPhone: just get an Android if that's what one wants. Otherwise, the iPhone is good as it is

  6. So when it comes down to it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The iPhone is just a "BATTERY"! Muahahahahahaaaaa! LAME!

  7. Yo dawg! by PPH · · Score: 0
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    Have gnu, will travel.
    1. Re:Yo dawg! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We heard you liked phones, so we put a phone on your phone so you can get rooted by the CIA twice while the NSA records your calls from both phones.
      Oh, and so you can call yourself, or whatever the hell the intended purpose of this frankenphone is.

    2. Re:Yo dawg! by n329619 · · Score: 1

      I hear you like phones, so I put a phone on your phone so you can phone while you phone.

  8. Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just get an android phone in the first place.

  9. Idiocy by DavidinAla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is pure stupidity. If you want to use an iPhone, use an iPhone. If you want to use an Android device, use that. But this makes as much sense as welding a Chevy to the back of a Honda and pretending you've achieved something worthwhile. A lot of people in tech have entirely too much time on their hands.

    1. Re:Idiocy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh.

      There are quite a lot of people that own both an iPhone and an Android device. This would cater to those who would want to use two devices but only carry one cellphone.

      That said, yes, It doesn't look very practical. If butt dialing was a problem, this is double the trouble.

    2. Re: Idiocy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think in this case people need to buy the proper pants with the appropriate number of pockets. Recently I had to set an android (galaxy series) phone for my mom halfway across the planet and I absolutely have no regrets of not using android. It is purely a data mining tool

    3. Re:Idiocy by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Do encryption on the Android device and only use the iPhone to network with. When the security services try to get the decoded message all they get is the iPhone passing encrypted messages. Speed for complex encryption and decryption without the big brand trust issues.

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    4. Re:Idiocy by Mr0bvious · · Score: 1

      But you are carrying two, they're just stuck together to make them even less useful and more cumbersome.

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      Never happened. True story.
    5. Re:Idiocy by Mr0bvious · · Score: 1

      Oh not to mention, every time you place the phone down it's face down!

      Every time you drop it, it lands face down!

      How can I use the superior rear camera?

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      Never happened. True story.
    6. Re:Idiocy by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      It actually does make sense. iPhones only have one SIM card. I travel a lot and need extra mobiles and extra SIM cards all the time. Also data exchange of Apple devices simply sucks, either you need a cloud or iTunes, how ever there is a third party tool, iExplorer, that is wonderful.
      So: for the extension of the iPhone you need obviously an OS, and Android is the first coming to mind.
      The idea might look strange on the first glance, but I'm sure there is a market. Especially if there was an iPhone 4/5 version, too.

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      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
    7. Re:Idiocy by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      how ever there is a third party tool, iExplorer, that is wonderful.

      Indeed, Apple has praised iExplorer for a long time. Since 1997 if my signature is to be believed.

      --
      "His name was James Damore."
    8. Re:Idiocy by jittles · · Score: 1

      It actually does make sense. iPhones only have one SIM card. I travel a lot and need extra mobiles and extra SIM cards all the time. Also data exchange of Apple devices simply sucks, either you need a cloud or iTunes, how ever there is a third party tool, iExplorer, that is wonderful. So: for the extension of the iPhone you need obviously an OS, and Android is the first coming to mind. The idea might look strange on the first glance, but I'm sure there is a market. Especially if there was an iPhone 4/5 version, too.

      The problem is that you need to pony up some $$ to join the MFI program in order to get access to the lightning port. I do not believe that Apple is going to support this at all and if they don't give you access to the program, you're screwed. Sure you could buy some MFI controller chips that fell off the back of a truck, but you won't ever be an approved product.

    9. Re:Idiocy by mjwx · · Score: 1

      This is pure stupidity. If you want to use an iPhone, use an iPhone. If you want to use an Android device, use that. But this makes as much sense as welding a Chevy to the back of a Honda and pretending you've achieved something worthwhile. A lot of people in tech have entirely too much time on their hands.

      An better car analogy is to put an Aston Martin V12 into a Chevy Cruze (which wont fit without extensive modifications... for the non mechanically inclined amongst us).

      If you need the power of Android, why not just get an Andoid phone to begin with? Not like you don't have plenty of choice.

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      Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
    10. Re:Idiocy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, they are computers after all. Why not dual boot Android and iOS? Or virtualize one in the other. The thing is, lots of people have different needs and uses of computers, so even if they don't match yours they can still be valid. What is the stupid part is that your phone and operating system doesn't let you dual boot or do other common things you can do with all other computers. Let people use their own computers the way they want.

    11. Re:Idiocy by jon3k · · Score: 1

      How exactly do you propose to do this? Turn on personal hotspot on an iPhone? Now it's just an Android device connected to WiFi. What have you prevented, exactly?

    12. Re:Idiocy by unixisc · · Score: 1

      I have heard about some Chinese company having an iPhone w/ 2 SIM cards, and other great features. Totally illegal in the US, but legal elsewhere. If one can get one of those, and get 2 SIMs from AT&T or T-Mo, then one would be good to go

      This contraption would have been more useful for an iPhone 4 or 5, than for a 6 or 7, as it is. The 4 or 5 had limited storage, so there, the SD extension would have made sense. But the 7 comes w/ 32, 128 or 256GB, so it only makes some sense for the 32. Same for the battery or camera. Only thing that might be useful - if the 100 or so songs I downloaded from YouTube can be transferred to the iPhone and played from there using this setup, it would be ideal, bypassing Apple's DRM.

    13. Re:Idiocy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, except that iPhones do better encryption... but don't let the facts divert you to a cleaner solution or anything.

    14. Re: Idiocy by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      Because Enterprise customers aren't satisfied with control over virtual machines or ONE of your device's potentially-multiple operating systems... they demand complete control so they can remotely wipe your whole device (including your personal files) without warning if they decide to lay off your entire team.

      When you allow your company to install MDM software on your device, there's almost no technical limit to what they can do. They might *voluntarily* exercise restraint, but there's literally nothing to stop an evil company (or rogue admin... or malware running with an administrator's credentials) from doing their worst.

    15. Re:Idiocy by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      But this makes as much sense as welding a Chevy to the back of a Honda and pretending you've achieved something worthwhile.

      Reminds me of these:

      Bus on a bus
      Early camper truck?

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    16. Re:Idiocy by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Those iPhones are not iPhones. They only look like them, including the icons of the software. They run Android.

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      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
    17. Re:Idiocy by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Anyone else out there remember MacCharlie?

    18. Re:Idiocy by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AC did you miss the Vault 7 news? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    19. Re:Idiocy by n329619 · · Score: 1

      Now Imagine really hard about having a Chevy on the back of a Honda... this is so stupid that if someone kickstarter this, I'm getting one. #Logic

  10. Great, now you and a special friend can... by magusxxx · · Score: 2

    ...,have Tindr on one side and Grindr on the other. And use them both at the same time.

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    Care killed the cat, but satisfaction brought it back.
  11. This makes as much sense as by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pretending a man's rectum is a vagina.

    1. Re:This makes as much sense as by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When it's superior in every possible way. It doesn't even smell like fish.

    2. Re:This makes as much sense as by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      If it smells like fish you need a new one. That one is expired.

    3. Re:This makes as much sense as by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another reason to love lolis.

    4. Re:This makes as much sense as by wbr1 · · Score: 1
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    5. Re:This makes as much sense as by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GTFO with that Redditter shit.

  12. I got it! by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. Come up with a wack-a-doodle idea.
    2. Build Kickstarter page
    3. Get a "story" on Slashdot
    4. ?
    5. Profit! (That is, burn through a lot of cash on booze, weed, and expensive cocktails)
    6. Fold.

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    1. Re:I got it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. Honestly, I would be incredibly surprised if they ever ship this thing.

  13. Been available in China for years by drnb · · Score: 2

    Android pretending to be iphone

    I think phones like that have been available in China for years. ;-)

  14. MulletPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Business on the front, party on the back.

    1. Re:MulletPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is the front?

  15. WHY? by chromaexcursion · · Score: 0

    Just buy a top of the line Android.
    This story is a dumb idea.

  16. Contrary to popular belief... by pilaftank · · Score: 1

    > lets iPhone owners with an iPhone 7 or an iPhone 7 Plus to use wired headphones with the device

    the iPhone 7 already has wired headphones:
    http://www.apple.com/shop/prod...

    They use the Lightning connector (not a 3.5mm jack), but it won't make much difference unless you need to charge at the same time.

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    dna.js
    1. Re:Contrary to popular belief... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but it won't make much difference unless you need to charge at the same time.

      You mean when I'm listening to music at work using my phone and you know, want to keep it charged at the same time.

      Nope, never could see a reason why I might want to listen to music and charge my phone at the same time.

    2. Re:Contrary to popular belief... by Agent0013 · · Score: 1

      > lets iPhone owners with an iPhone 7 or an iPhone 7 Plus to use wired headphones with the device the iPhone 7 already has wired headphones: http://www.apple.com/shop/prod... They use the Lightning connector (not a 3.5mm jack), but it won't make much difference unless you need to charge at the same time.

      Because, who would want to listen to music all day while working, right? And if you can't charge and listen, then you only have the time the battery lasts to listen to music. And then after that, you can't use the phone for anything else until you charge it up again.

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    3. Re:Contrary to popular belief... by pilaftank · · Score: 1

      Everyone at my work uses Bluetooth headsets even though we all have 3.5mm jacks on our Macs (and some mobile devices). When given a choice in the real world, 3.5mm goes unused. If simultaneous charging is truly your important use case, just keep your Bluetooth headset plugged in while you wear it (or don't get an iPhone 7). The improved battery life and waterproofing of the iPhone 7 are far more important to most people.

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  17. I'm hoping for students ... by drnb · · Score: 2

    This is pure stupidity. If you want to use an iPhone, use an iPhone. If you want to use an Android device, use that.

    Well its sort of convenient for developers who want to target both platforms ;-)

    In the days of $350 Nexus devices I wouldn't think about it at all. Now in the days of $650 Pixel devices I might briefly think about it.

    A lot of people in tech have entirely too much time on their hands.

    I'm hoping for a team of EE, CS and ME students who want to take something from idea to reality so that they have something on their CV beyond attending required classes. For such projects showing that you can take an idea and build something that works, in a cross discipline team environment, is more important than that thing being useful.

    1. Re:I'm hoping for students ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the days of $350 Nexus devices I wouldn't think about it at all. Now in the days of $650 Pixel devices I might briefly think about it.

      You realize there are tons of good sub-$200 phones now, right?

    2. Re: I'm hoping for students ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thats true in the 200 range you can get a decent lower midrange device new. with plenty of resources ram/cpu but not over abundent and we are even in the lower better lower end 16-32 gig memory range.

    3. Re:I'm hoping for students ... by drnb · · Score: 1

      In the days of $350 Nexus devices I wouldn't think about it at all. Now in the days of $650 Pixel devices I might briefly think about it.

      You realize there are tons of good sub-$200 phones now, right?

      I was kind of hoping for a modern version of Android and a few years of upgrades/updates.

    4. Re:I'm hoping for students ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are an Android developer you aren't going to be interested in the latest Android version. Or the previous one. You are going to be interested in the most popular. You can asume that newer versions will be supported by your app. It might not get advantage of the newest features but, then, only a small margin of your users will have access to the newest version of Android so it shouldn't be a problem.

    5. Re:I'm hoping for students ... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I'm hoping for a team of EE, CS and ME students who want to take something from idea to reality so that they have something on their CV beyond attending required classes. For such projects showing that you can take an idea and build something that works, in a cross discipline team environment, is more important than that thing being useful.

      People are free to waste their time in any way they want, what I don't understand is why anyone would donate to kickstarter to fund this stupidity.

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    6. Re:I'm hoping for students ... by unixisc · · Score: 1

      In the days of $350 Nexus devices I wouldn't think about it at all. Now in the days of $650 Pixel devices I might briefly think about it.

      You realize there are tons of good sub-$200 phones now, right?

      The advantage of Marshmallow or Nougat is that if one has a low end phone that has an SD card slot capable of, say, 128GB, then one can define that as the primary memory, and then pack that phone w/ as many apps, and media as they want. But a lot of those phones or tablets are artificially crippled - not only do they come w/ something as low as 8GB storage, but to make things worse, they only support 32GB of SD, making it painful. As a result, they can only be upgraded as high as Gingerbread or Kitkat

    7. Re:I'm hoping for students ... by drnb · · Score: 1

      I'm hoping for a team of EE, CS and ME students who want to take something from idea to reality so that they have something on their CV beyond attending required classes. For such projects showing that you can take an idea and build something that works, in a cross discipline team environment, is more important than that thing being useful.

      People are free to waste their time in any way they want, what I don't understand is why anyone would donate to kickstarter to fund this stupidity.

      To be clear, such a student based effort would not be a waste of time. Showing that you started a project and finished a project and created something that worked is a great supplement to a degree. What the thing is is far less important than you finished what you started.
      See
      https://news.slashdot.org/stor...
      for discussions on this theme.

      But yeah, others wanting the device is puzzling. Might be people think this can somehow forward the idea of more open android hardware.

    8. Re:I'm hoping for students ... by drnb · · Score: 1

      If you are an Android developer you aren't going to be interested in the latest Android version. Or the previous one. You are going to be interested in the most popular. You can asume that newer versions will be supported by your app. It might not get advantage of the newest features but, then, only a small margin of your users will have access to the newest version of Android so it shouldn't be a problem.

      Actually you can not assume an existing app will work on a newer version of Android. I've seen newer versions of Android intentionally break existing apps when the powers that be decide developers should no longer be allowed to do something. Plus you can have conditional executed code that lets you use newer OS functionality when your app finds itself running on a newer Android version. Simulators can help but you do really need to have some actual hardware for testing.

      Reviewers and other influencers are more likely to have a current version so recommendations can suffer if you don't properly support a current version.

    9. Re: I'm hoping for students ... by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      I wish Android allowed you to use microSD as primary storage, but use the phone's (usually) much-faster internal flash as a delayed cache (always writing to internal flash & reading from it when possible, but periodically saving updates to microSD when the UI is inactive & the phone would otherwise be asleep... kind of like the way Intel allows you to do on a PC to cache your laptop's slow 2TB+ hard drive to a special partition on your mSATA SSD)

  18. Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You get to have a piece of crap phone - - - attached to a different piece of crap phone.

  19. That's not your spidey sense that's tingling. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 0

    I get the feeling that the target audience here are iPhone 7 owner who want to have sex with their phone but are incapable of it. Yes, I'm sure some of them had to have their iPhones surgically removed from an orifice but that's clearly not good enough. Other than that, I have no idea who would buy such a ridiculous device. Do some people just not like having money and need to get rid of it? :-/

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  20. $95 you will never get back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many Kickstarter projects never ship a product? Yet people still keep coming back or more abuse. Amazing, really.

    1. Re:$95 you will never get back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree, the entire "system" is a scam, with Kickstarter themselves taking around 8% (it varies by country) of the loot.

  21. Forget the iphone/case, make it a PHONE by markdavis · · Score: 2

    >An always-on 5-inch AMOLED display is built into the case, which runs the Android 7.1 Nougat; microSD card slot provides up to 256GB ; 2,800 mAh battery ; Qi wireless charging. Two SIM card slots are included ; 4G LTE connectivity ; 3.5mm headphone ; IR blaster" "The estimated retail price is between $189 and $229"

    Hey, I have a better idea. Instead of messing around with being a "case", why not just forget the whole iphone nonsense and release it AS A PHONE ITSELF. Make sure the battery is swappable, throw in some decent cameras, and add $50 more for it and sell at $250 to $275 (based on the claimed retail price). Many of us have been waiting for a suitable replacement for the Nexus 5, this might be it; we had a fast, decent phone for around that price, with a nice 5" screen and QI charging.

    1. Re:Forget the iphone/case, make it a PHONE by aliquis · · Score: 1

      If you want a phone then what's wrong with just getting the HTC Honor 6X, the Motorola G5 Plus or the Nokia 6 for instance?

    2. Re:Forget the iphone/case, make it a PHONE by markdavis · · Score: 1

      (It is the Huawei Honor, not HTC)

      Looks like none of them have QI charging.

    3. Re:Forget the iphone/case, make it a PHONE by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Looks like none of them have QI charging.

      Is it important? To save on wear of the port?
      Compatibility with other devices which can charge rather than having a specific cable (then again micro-USB and USB type C ..)

    4. Re:Forget the iphone/case, make it a PHONE by markdavis · · Score: 1

      Yes, it is important. Primarily convenience.

    5. Re:Forget the iphone/case, make it a PHONE by swillden · · Score: 1

      Yes, it is important. Primarily convenience.

      Have you tried a device with USB-C? I found that most of the aggravation of plugging my phone in was due to the orientation-dependence and general fussiness of micro-USB connectors. I used to have a wireless charger, but I find USB-C connectors are so easy to plug in that I don't feel a significant loss in convenience vs putting my phone on the charging stand.

      I also find that very fast charging and decent battery life mitigate the issue. I don't charge my phone at night any more. I just plug it in when I'm in the car; 20-30 minutes a couple of times per day is sufficient, so I rarely think about charging at all. My phone is a Pixel XL.

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    6. Re:Forget the iphone/case, make it a PHONE by markdavis · · Score: 1

      No, I haven't tried USB-C yet. I know it will be a lot better than microusb, but still can't compete with just slapping it on my pad and walking away :) I really don't want to lose that feature and don't care how long it takes to charge.

    7. Re:Forget the iphone/case, make it a PHONE by swillden · · Score: 1

      No, I haven't tried USB-C yet. I know it will be a lot better than microusb, but still can't compete with just slapping it on my pad and walking away :) I really don't want to lose that feature and don't care how long it takes to charge.

      Well, on balance I find I think less about charging now than when I had wireless charging. YMMV... but I doubt it.

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  22. Dear /. contributor, by pinzvidz · · Score: 2

    You've posted this story 16 days too early.

    1. Re:Dear /. contributor, by coofercat · · Score: 1

      Most of the time /. is "news several days old, you already read about it". Now you're complaining that the news is too early! There's no pleasing some people ;-)

  23. Yo Dawg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I heard you like phones so I put a phone on your phone so you can send a text while you make a call.

  24. Who needs it? by jcr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you've got an iPhone, why would you want an iPhone knock-off?

    -jcr

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    1. Re:Who needs it? by swillden · · Score: 2

      If you've got an iPhone, why would you want an iPhone knock-off?

      To take your iPhone to the next level: Android!

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  25. Re:Idiocy-spoken like a true Apple tool. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you type this with your fuck-tard fone up your arse on vibrate to invoke some form of emotional reaction?

    Did your Boss at Apple ask you to respond like this?

  26. I deal gift by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I deal gift for someone who's gay but wants to cover it up.

  27. Why bother by autismuk · · Score: 0

    Don't see the point. I'm sure China makes Android phones which closely resemble iPhones, so just buy one and put it in a case if you want to be able to jerk off to other people about having iJunk. If you want the full Apple experience burn £700 of notes.

  28. Re:fuckign stoopid,, you know yer a red neck when. by autismuk · · Score: 0

    Double the price ??? Where you getting your phones from ? Might be the UK of course, but an iPhone 7 here is £599, last Chiphone I bought (Cubot Dinosaur) cost me about £100. If you just want a simpler phone (this one has a big screen and battery, it's nearly a mini tablet) you can get a decent phone for half that. Apple are stuffed when the population realise they are scamming them big time. It used to be seven or eight years ago (say) that there was a noticeable quality gap between iPads/iPhones and the chinese equivalents. Now there pretty much isn't, or it's barely noticeable.

  29. Development Phone by johnsie · · Score: 1

    Handy if you're a developer who has to develop for both platforms.

    1. Re:Development Phone by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      Handy if you're a developer who has to develop for both platforms.

      If you are an iPhone developer, you have multiple iPhones and iPads, running multiple iOS versions, and if you are an Android developer, I would think that you have multiple Android devices running multiple Android versions. This thing is of basically no use for the developer.

  30. Great, a base for my kickstarter page by burtosis · · Score: 4, Funny

    What this really lacks is a windows phone. Simply order my case for this and you can have one built into the four unused sides! Why have a ultra thin phone when you can have cube phone(tm)!

    1. Re:Great, a base for my kickstarter page by jpatters · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or a Toblerphone

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    2. Re:Great, a base for my kickstarter page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good one...!!!

  31. "Take your iphone to the next level" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Put an android in it...

  32. Use Case? by airos4 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But.. why? I mean, jokes aside, what's the use case here? Are there legitimately apps that cannot run on the Apple platform that people feel they need? I can't think of any other reason. If it was an e-ink display like the Yota, maybe, but why have a wholly separate OS?

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    1. Re:Use Case? by mjwx · · Score: 2

      But.. why? I mean, jokes aside, what's the use case here? Are there legitimately apps that cannot run on the Apple platform that people feel they need? I can't think of any other reason. If it was an e-ink display like the Yota, maybe, but why have a wholly separate OS?

      There aren't just Apps that don't run on the Apple platform... there are basic OS functions like MSC and bluetooth to transfer files. I run my choice of browser (Ghostery) and ad blockers (which Ghostery does a good job of). Plus I like not being under the control of an evil overlord.

      You'll never get an Iphone case for an Android phone because Android users dont need it. I cant say the same in reverse.

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    2. Re:Use Case? by mjwx · · Score: 2

      But.. why? I mean, jokes aside, what's the use case here? Are there legitimately apps that cannot run on the Apple platform that people feel they need? I can't think of any other reason.

      Headphone jack?

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    3. Re:Use Case? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do mass storage and bluetooth file transfers just fine on my iPhone there, skippy. Frankly, I converted to iPhone and I'm glad I made the move. Android is a trainwreck unless you want to spend countless hours to get it to do more than a few widgets, facebooking and taking pictures.

    4. Re:Use Case? by IsThisNickTaken · · Score: 1

      "Use Case", no it is an "Android Case"...

  33. Virtualization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want Android, why not just port virtualization software to iOS.
    Hell, you could even run XP on while the world goes on with something more interesting.

  34. Finally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A way to make an iphone useful.

  35. hookers and blow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    looks like someone has run out of hookers and blow and needs to re-up.

    How can anyone make a case that has another cellphone in it and then sell it for $119 ($149 for 4G). it Literally makes no sense as to why they just wouldn't put forth a cellphone for that much. Yes i understand it isnt a full phone but its almost there anyways, all its missing is a mic and speaker.

    this is vaporware and i can see this being shut down or never delivering. shame on you /. for helping these people scam more money out of people.

    The English on the kickstarter is atrocious and the faq are laughable but the real kicker is the company information:

    https://www.kickstarter.com/pr...
    its partners are a random dude and an ad company. the name of the person that started the campaign and the named owner of the company are different, very odd...

    something suspicious from the faq:
    "I've just backed you up, why I was not given a choice to choose color and iPhone model of Eye?

    After the campaign will end, you'll get a survey asking you about the iPhone model, color and address."

    why not just ask that information with the pledge?

    also found something in the comments from the creator:

    "We did a lot of research about manufacturing and software developing cost for this project. The reward price and the campaign goal will guarantee supplying Eye to are backers and Kick start our company for further production."

    research eh??,,, please tell me how they will be able to stick a large battery, lcd and sim/expansion cards in something that is claimed to be thinner than just a battery pack case?

    1. Re: hookers and blow by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      Qualcomm ships SoCs with the silicon necessary to use mobile phone networks, but charges substantial licensing fees for the radio modem FIRMWARE. And probably wouldn't allow a small company to license it anyway. Wifi, in contrast, can be implemented with a pre-certified module. The FCC test requirements for part A or B compliance are fairly tame... their requirements for "intentional generators" (like WiFi subsystems and cellular radio modems) are quite a bit more stringent & expensive to satisfy. Using a pre-certified module for a radio modem would make it too expensive AND probably too large to fit in the case.

  36. Cheaper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... made available to iPhone users via the Eye case ...

    Wouldn't it be more useful to add dual-boot functionality to the iPhone?

    What this really means is, they can't put the simple and obvious answer on iTunes, so apple logo-wielding dickheads can buy another phone; they like spending money on bling anyway.

  37. Yo! by Fieryphoenix · · Score: 1

    I heard you like phones with your phone, so I got you a phone for your phone!

  38. 2 phones or numbers? by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Eh.

    There are quite a lot of people that own both an iPhone and an Android device. This would cater to those who would want to use two devices but only carry one cellphone.

    That said, yes, It doesn't look very practical. If butt dialing was a problem, this is double the trouble.

    I have both, and if I wanted only one phone, I'd have gotten a dual SIM phone. In the past, there were some killer apps on iOS that were not there on Android, such as FaceTime, but that's been levelled both w/ Duo/Hangouts as well as WhatsApp. So there is no reason to get this contraption. I use one phone for work and another for family, and keep them very separate: my kid can play w/ the iPhone, but not the Android, while the other can be used in a BYOD environment, but not the iPhone. Otherwise, DavidinAla is right: get the phone you want.

    1. Re: 2 phones or numbers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because you don't have a reason, doesn't mean other people don't.

      I don't have a reason but this here is the 'net and people do shit for the strangest of reasons. It's all good.

  39. Re:Hillary 2020 by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Not to go off-topic, but she had something like 6 or 7 devices

  40. Re:Hillary 2020 by drnb · · Score: 1

    She originally claimed that using the personal server for work was so she would only need to carry one device.

  41. A project worth doing by unixisc · · Score: 1

    I'm hoping for a team of EE, CS and ME students who want to take something from idea to reality so that they have something on their CV beyond attending required classes. For such projects showing that you can take an idea and build something that works, in a cross discipline team environment, is more important than that thing being useful.

    I have an idea that would be more worthwhile. Build a car navigation unit that comes w/o its own maps (for which they right now charge $200 every time the map changes), but w/ all the software hooks to any platform - iOS, Android or even Windows 10. So if an iPhone owner gets into the car, Apple Maps will project itself to the screen, and not just that, the iPad set-up will work so that one can play one's playlists directly, as well as the ability to do FaceTime, normal calls, et al. If it's an Android user, same thing - the screen acts as a Chromecast, and Google Maps is projected there, as well as a few others, like Waze, Play Music, Hangouts, Duo, and other apps that could work w/ those things, such as Yelp! Same for Windows 10: enable Bing Maps there, as well as Groove, and one would be set.

    Right now, some cars have stereo systems that are Apple compatible, some have Apple CarPlay, some have Android Auto. With something like this, one could get any smartphone and play it seamlessly with the system. Also, connect it directly via USB, instead of Bluetooth, so that instead of draining the battery, the phones can charge while the person is driving.

    1. Re:A project worth doing by drnb · · Score: 1

      Start a kickstarter campaign, if a full android device for an iPhone can get funded ... :-)

  42. Shame! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, you're wrong. It's shame, shame, shame all the way down.

  43. Kindle clone would have been better by Camembert · · Score: 2

    I expect that in general people are happy with IOS or Android. Not sure how much having both would bring extra, and it is clunky to have them together.
    But, perhaps, a thin ebook reader a la kindle would be an interesting back for an iOS or an android device. Because the electronic paper of those readers is much more pleasant to read books than traditional screens.

  44. Re:Hillary 2020 by unixisc · · Score: 1

    No, she originally claimed that she used her personal phone for official work so that she'd only have to carry one device

  45. Popularity contest or function which will win? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is for those people who know an Android is what they need but the peer pressure to stay in the "in" iPhone crowd makes them want to keep their iPhone. This way they can have their cake and eat it too.

  46. Please tell me Xzibit is the CEO by Jfetjunky · · Score: 1

    Yo dawg, we heard you like phones, so we put a phone on your phone so you can use a phone while you use your phone, dawg!

    1. Re:Please tell me Xzibit is the CEO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I came here to make this comment... guess I might as well leave...

  47. how much more you use either? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if there is an App on bothe the iPhone and the Roid on it's rear to show visual or context useage on a price to performance ratio, then is this device the proverbial bitch knife fight between a rubber chicken?

    Which device gets reduced or replaced to a battery and expansion bank in the casement?

    ANNOUNCEMENT:
    in this corner, weighing 10 ounces dry, the Syrian pill-popping tranny from Calif-hornia that jus-tworks 10-times what the pimp payed....is Missir Iphone!

    AND

    in this corner, weighing a gaunt 6oz wet,the decendent of the gay golden droid that waived at you as you travelled through the desert, the lovely gaping maw of an architecture that stretches open support to every graveyard that can fit inside it's io channel, the lovely qwerty banzai herpe of chast AT&T eunuchs playing BSDm duct tape in the basement water-cooled cluster, here is the stripped twirly girlymandrag Anna Droid!
    *bell* and they're off!

  48. this is why everyone needs basic physics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    can someone please explain how a 5.1 screen that i always on will not drain the battery pack at a rate slow enough to provide the ability to charge the Iphone off of the android battery pack? the screen is usually the biggest power draw on any device.

    even considering the radio being a close second while the non 4g case could do with out the radio chip but the 4g case will definitely have one.

    then we get to the size, they claim to be thinner than the mophie juice pack yet with a screen and enough room for a memory card,2 sim slots and other included hardware.

    thus it seems to me that this kickstarter is making some extraordinary claims... extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

  49. LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Talk about a solution looking for a problem.

  50. Android storage configuration options by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Doesn't Marshmallow or at least Nougat have that? Is the internal flash drive something that has to become secondary storage, or can it be programmed to be a non-volatile cache?

  51. ya know your a redneck when by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ya know when yer a redneck when you buy a phone, to stack another phone on top of to look cool..

    My pa used to have one of them old console tv's. Looked great like furniture, but because it looked so good, he used it as a TV stand for ANOTHER portable Color TV. an RCA holding up a GoldStar.. He happened to live in a trailer park, in a trailer.. Go figure right.
     

  52. Wouldn't.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...it be easier to just let a dog shit on the back of my iPhone.

  53. Re:Hillary 2020 by drnb · · Score: 1

    She originally claimed that using the personal server for work was so she would only need to carry one device.

    No, she originally claimed that she used her personal phone for official work so that she'd only have to carry one device

    It was all about the email, hence the server.

    "“First, when I got to work as Secretary of State, I opted for convenience to use my personal email account, which was allowed by the State Department, because I thought it would be easier to carry just one device for my work and for my personal emails instead of two. -- Hillary Clinton, news conference addressing her private email server, March 10, 2015”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com...

  54. Android Phone + iPhone Case + Glue by slincolne · · Score: 1
    What's the point of this gadget ?

    All you need to do is buy an Android Phone, an iPhone case, and glue them together. Kickstarter is getting really weird tehse days :-(

  55. Battery Life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, you want to take a phone that has a notoriously bad battery life and piggy-back another device on it?

    Yeah, that makes sense.