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Justice Department Charging Russian Spies and Criminal Hackers in Yahoo Intrusion (washingtonpost.com)

The Justice Department is set to announce Wednesday, reports the Washington Post, the indictments of two Russian spies and two criminal hackers in connection with the heist of 500 million Yahoo user accounts in 2014, marking the first U.S. criminal cyber charges ever against Russian government officials (Editor's note: the link could be paywalled; alternate source). From the report: The indictments target two members of the Russian intelligence agency FSB, and two hackers hired by the Russians. The charges include hacking, wire fraud, trade secret theft and economic espionage, according to officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the charges have not yet been announced. The indictments are part of the largest hacking case brought by the United States.

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  1. But but but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    https://yro.slashdot.org/story/17/03/15/0521225/hacking-victim-cant-sue-foreign-government-for-hacking-him-on-us-soil-says-court

    1. Re:But but but... by Kierthos · · Score: 2

      I think there's a bit of difference between "can't sue a foreign government" and "charging foreign spies". Now, if some of the users on Yahoo who were affected by this tried to sue the Russian government over this, that precedent could apply.

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    2. Re:But but but... by EzInKy · · Score: 1

      Spies are subject to the death penalty, governments do not.

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    3. Re:But but but... by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      Spies are subject to the death penalty, governments do not.

      Of course they are. It's called revolution.

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    4. Re:But but but... by Kierthos · · Score: 2

      I seriously doubt anyone is going to put to death over hacking Yahoo.

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    5. Re:But but but... by EzInKy · · Score: 1

      When you are ready to subject your mother, father, brothers, sisters, and your children to death get back at me. Oh, and if you have none of those then fuck off, because you have nothing to lose.

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    6. Re:But but but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the point in the Second Amendment and all those guns if you're not going to use them?

    7. Re:But but but... by EzInKy · · Score: 1

      You lead the first wave, we will follow.

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    8. Re:But but but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "What's the point in the Second Amendment and all those guns if you're not going to use them?" Militia defense, not nutbar revolts.

    9. Re:But but but... by easyTree · · Score: 1

      What's the point in the Second Amendment and all those guns if you're not going to use them?

        * Drives up gun crime and therefore increases profit for the Prison industry?
        * Increased profit for the gun industry?
        * Increased marketing profit for the movie industry - product placement ftw?
        * Make your population partially self-culling - low-cost population control ftw ?
        * Chimes well with the fiction that you are free and brave ?
        * What else...?

    10. Re: But but but... by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Shithead, if gun rights lead to gun crime, there'd be more gun violence per capita in Idaho than in California, not less.

    11. Re: But but but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you trot out shit like that, you forget that city life and country life are way different. From limited resources to limited space, to gangs and population.
      I live in Canada, but I never had to lock car or house doors when living in towns of 4000-10000 people. We just never had murders and if your family was there a generation, you often knew a lot of other families. I moved to a suburb with 80,000 people, and there's enough crime and murders to warrant locking doors. There's a real bad problem with homeless and drugs in my town.

      When the bloods and crypts move to Idaho, you might not be just pulling stats to fit your view. But don't be so obtuse in the meantime.

    12. Re: But but but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in London, UK. Very few guns, few murders, front door unlocked all day.

    13. Re: But but but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Suing != Charging (just ask OJ)
      Country != Works for a country

    14. Re: But but but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fucktard

  2. Re:That's funny... by Kierthos · · Score: 1

    Well, the Yahoo hack happened in 2014, and they're just now getting around to charging these Russian spies. So, you know, investigations such as this take a while to run.

    Now, the Trump administration is almost certainly doing everything they can to slow-walk any investigation into the election, but that's not the same thing as no investigation happening.

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  3. Can they now convict the U.S.? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since the U.S. hacks 1,000s of computers (both foreign governments and individuals), does this mean any other country can now pass laws against hacking and immediately convict the U.S. for criminal behavior?

    1. Re:Can they now convict the U.S.? by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      Someone mod the above comment up.

      I couldn't agree more, the US and all their TLA organizations are running around hacking everything in sight, they should get sued shitless. But it's OK for the US to do it, just no one else is allowed. I would point out the double standards here, but that's pretty much standard operating procedure for the US.

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    2. Re:Can they now convict the U.S.? by skids · · Score: 2

      A) No, see two articles down on the front page
      B) They could criminally charge our government employees, however.

      Legal words have meaning. Use them carefully.

    3. Re:Can they now convict the U.S.? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are an idiot. You SUSPECT the US government of something, while the US GOVERNMENT CAUGHT SOMEONE DOING SOMETHING.,

      See, those two things are NOT EQUAL.

      A suspicion is not PROOF.

    4. Re:Can they now convict the U.S.? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's hope so. Any country that uses this kind of technique needs to be punished.

      And while we are at it, let's not forget that President Trump has already stated that he has evidence that the election was massively fraudulent, so now that we have definite proof that Russia are actively hacking *OUR* systems, I'd also like to see a full investigation into the long standing (and well known around here) security vulnerabilities of our voting systems. Could those vulnerabilities be used to skew the results one way or another? Is that the smoking gun that President Trump was talking about? I don't care what party you belong to, we need to follow through on this and make sure our elections are secure and legitimate.

    5. Re: Can they now convict the U.S.? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Snowden leaks say otherwise. As do these vault 7 tools.

    6. Re:Can they now convict the U.S.? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many agencies often hack 'into' systems to snoop around & collect data. Which they hold close for their own uses. (Not that I like it, just merely describing the 'hacking' process).

      The opposite of this is criminals hacking into and often 'breaking' systems on purpose, holding them for ransom, and collecting data- which is then sold, posted, traded and tossed around to any number of other criminals.

      There is a difference. Consider it like this: Snooping around vs. Vandalism & theft.

    7. Re:Can they now convict the U.S.? by benjonson · · Score: 1

      Since the U.S. hacks 1,000s of computers (both foreign governments and individuals), does this mean any other country can now pass laws against hacking and immediately convict the U.S. for criminal behavior?

      Why should they, if the U.S. does not?

      Or perhaps you confuse "indict" with "immediately convict"?

      Certainly if U.S. citizens, say employees of the CIA, engage in economic espionage of say, China's Baidu, why on earth wouldn't they file whatever legal claims they can? And I think they should.

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    8. Re:Can they now convict the U.S.? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The US likes its sovereign immunity. Any US worker in another nation would usually be covered by some treaty or policy with that nations security services.
      Been invited in and been given full immunity. A US spy hut, camp, base, building to spy from would be legally protected.

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    9. Re: Can they now convict the U.S.? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Snowden was a black flag!!!

    10. Re: Can they now convict the U.S.? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The truest american hero! He didn't have to die!

  4. Re:That's funny... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Sadly, it appears that Dear Leader Trump will suppress any investigation and attempt to find the truth about the election.

    Were you expecting to read a daily status report about investigations into an attempted CIA coup d'etat in the free copy of USA Today in your hotel room? Because that's not how it works.

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  5. Re:That's funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My tin foil hat must be on too tight....CIA coup?

  6. Re:That's funny... by bit+trollent · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Right wing idiots and Russian collaborators may think it's a 'coup' for the CIA to record Russian spies who collaborated with the Trump campaign to hack our election, but that's not what a coup is. A coup is collaborating with a foreign government's spies in their hacks of your opponent, granting them policy changes as a reward. Examples: Ukraine policy reversal in RNC platform, and gutting of the State Department.

    I'm sorry that your boy Donald Trump was committing treason with Russian spies, but the CIA's job is to protect us from Russian spies. That includes Russian spies who collude with a Presidential campaign to go on a Watergate style crime spree.

    If Donald Trump didn't want the CIA to uncover obviously treasonous activities, he shouldn't have traded real estate industry bribes and hacking of his opponent's campaign for Russian control of his administration...

  7. Re:That's funny... by Highdude702 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Has anybody told you today that you're a moron? Because they should have with that kind of rhetoric.

  8. I thought Yahoo were making it up by Vlad_the_Inhaler · · Score: 1

    When Yahoo claimed they had been hacked by a foreign government organisation - rather than private hackers - I thought "well, they would claim that" because the big guys are pretty much unstoppable. This article is a claim that indictments may be about to happen, things are starting to become interesting.
    Still, the US along with various allies are quite happy to cause problems in other countries. Even a smoking gun is not going to change anything apart from perceptions.

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    1. Re:I thought Yahoo were making it up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even in glass houses, people can't help but to throw rocks.

    2. Re:I thought Yahoo were making it up by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Are you guys allowed to have the same country cast as boogeyman twice within the memory of the living ? Pretty sure that's unfair to the other candidates. Wake up USA USA USA USA.

  9. Re:That's funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One person did, but he's an abject retard so I didn't take it very seriously...

    I guess if you keep sticking your head in the ground to avoid noticing your President's treasonous collaboration with a hostile foreign government's hacking of our campaign, eventually your brain just stops working.

    Would a some Russian sponsored fake News which makes Donald Trump appear less like the puppet of a hostile foreign government make you feel better?

  10. OH NO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean Russian's now have all my offers from Dunham's, window replacement companies, "better" interest rate on loans, Olive Garden, etc. etc.????? What ever will I do?

  11. Hold on a mo. by ledow · · Score: 1

    Three stories down:

    "Hacking Victim Can't Sue Foreign Government For Hacking Him On US Soil, Says Court"

    Well.. which is it?

    1. Re:Hold on a mo. by tsqr · · Score: 2

      Both. You can't sue a foreign government because of Sovereign Immunity. But Sovereign Immunity doesn't apply to individuals, so you can sue a foreign person.

  12. So what? by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    They have charged Edward Snowden, as well.

    How's that working out?

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    1. Re:So what? by easyTree · · Score: 1

      USA has skyrocketed in worldwide opinion polls?

    2. Re:So what? by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      The 2016 election cycle opinion polls fucked up my predictions, so I'm not keen on those.

      However, a casual glance at foreign news sources quickly reveal that "America" is now a punch line.

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    3. Re:So what? by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Harsh.

      "USA, USA, USA, USA."

  13. Re:That's funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is Russian election hacking of so much interest now, I thought this was a thing since the 1940's. And while I'm glad it's a thing of national interest to more people, I feel that it will be soon forgotten when the right people are once again in power. Or has it not been a thing for the last 70 years and the wrong people were simply paranoid and crazy?

  14. Re:That's funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CI
    TATION

    NEED
    ED

  15. Re: That's funny... by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

    Still waiting for proof of the Russian hacker meme that isn't some golden shower fan fiction.

  16. And the quest continues by easyTree · · Score: 1

    "What is the maximum value of the universal-sandbox' irony-type ?"

  17. GCHQ by pigsycyberbully · · Score: 0

    Yahoo! give GCHQ access to Yahoo system a long time ago. Yahoo messenger and Yahoo groups. Yahoo groups used to be the most monitored and the most often deleted. GCHQ used to run amok on Yahoo, sending people attachments and just really being annoying bastards. It went the same way as ICQ.

    I have never used Twitter but they tell me that Twitter is going the same way.
     

  18. In Soviet Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hackers charge you!

  19. They're just justifying what they did to do more by TheOuterLinux · · Score: 1

    They will be hunting for spies and terrorists while putting innocent people at risk only to find nothing or what we already knew about before the witch hunts. Kinda reminds me of what we did a decade ago, but it's cyber instead of sand and everyone is put at privacy and security risk. They'll find something stupid and make it a big deal to get the Wikileaks thing off their back.

  20. Meanwhile, in another story... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just a couple of stories down the page we see the title "Hacking Victim Can't Sue Foreign Government For Hacking Him On US Soil, Says Court". Conveniently inconsistent.

  21. Re: That's funny... by Type44Q · · Score: 1

    So, you posted AC to try to "increase your numbers" but it's obvious from the way you structure your sentences that you're the same person. Desperation stinks?

  22. Re: That's funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's obvious that I'm the same person, because I made it clear I'm the same person...

    I'm not sure why that reeks of desperation when I was so transparent, and fully expected people to make the connection.

    The reason I pointed as AC is that I have repeatedly been modded down for pointing out Donald Trump's obvious and well documented treasonous collaboration with Russia in their hack of our election, as well as the clear control that Russia exerts over Donald Trump and his administration.

    I expect all of the comments I make about this topic to get modded down so I limit the amount of damage that moderators can do to my Karma.

    This is a public service, but I only wish to risk 2 modpoints every time I bring up this vital national security crisis.

  23. Something is fishy about this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A couple of people can pull off an enormous hack like this, but they can't manage to do it without leaving electronic business cards, flags, "Go Putin!" t-shirts etc. behind? Bullshit.

    The U.S. likes to paint the unrealistic image of the savvy Russian hacker who breaks in to every system, but who at the same time is like a stupid, bumbling clown. It simply doesn't hold up.

  24. Damn Canucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks like it's a variant of the old sending-money-home-to-the-relatives scam.

  25. Re:That's funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Moron alert -- he's out again.

  26. Re:That's funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    faggot