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A US Ally Shot Down a $200 Drone With a $3 Million Patriot Missile (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report on The Verge: Earlier this week, General David Perkins, the commander of the US Army Training and Doctrine Command (TRADOC) spoke at the Association of the US Army's Global Force symposium, where he discussed the threats that the US military would begin to face in the coming years. One notable example is how a US ally recently shot down a $200 consumer drone with a $3.4 million worth Patriot Missile. Perkins' talk during the symposium focused on the complexity of a military organization in the field, and how the interconnected nature of air, ground, and sea forces can lead to a fragmented response to a threat between the commanders who are in charge of specific areas. [...] "The gut instinct was," he explains, "that's an air defense problem, because they're in the air." "In fact," he went on to say, "we have a very close ally of ours that was dealing with an adversary using small quadcopter UASs, and they shot it down with a Patriot missile." The problem, he said, wasn't effectiveness: the tiny drone didn't stand a chance -- the issue is economics.

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  1. Potential Damages? by Scoth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I guess a potentially more interesting question is whether that drone could have done $3.4 million of damage via surveillance or something. Seems unlikely in this case, but if we're talking some kind of super top secret installation then it might be worth that kind of force to make sure it's really, really blown up.

    Still worth investigating sufficient response that's more economical.

    1. Re:Potential Damages? by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Funny

      Still worth investigating sufficient response that's more economical.

      Maybe they could contract with that shotgun-toting old woman from Virginia.

    2. Re:Potential Damages? by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I guess a potentially more interesting question is whether that drone could have done $3.4 million of damage

      Note that this is purely a thought exercise and I would never ever think about doing this in real life (FBI take note of this disclaimer!)

      1. Buy some large sized consumer drone off craigslist for cash. (bonus points for showing up in a stolen car and having a disguise)
      2. Modify them to drop small canisters of red paint.
      3. Re-flash the software to ignore all flight restrictions
      4. Wait until the president is at Mar-A-Largo
      5. Program the drones to fly to 1000 feet, drop down over the target and release their "bombs" over visible areas and then fly out to sea on a random flight path until their batteries run out
      6. Release the hounds^w drones at night (or more bonus points for the middle of a golf game)
      7. Wash. Rinse. Repeat at other locations.
      8. Sit back and watch the government spend a shitload more than $3.4 million as they try to control the situation.

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    3. Re:Potential Damages? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Informative

      This isn't a new issue with drones. I recall a debriefing from the Iraq war where an Apache pilot was asked what he thought the cost of the missiles that he fired and the value of the convoy of trucks that he destroyed were. Hopefully the trucks contained something important to the enemy's war effort, because otherwise he'd spent a few million dollars to destroy a few tens of thousands of dollars. One of the strategies that's been core military doctrine since the US-Soviet conflict in Afghanistan (and Vietnam before that) has been to try to make your enemy outspend you by a large margin. A superpower like the USA might be able to afford to spend $100 for every $1 you spend, but starts to struggle when it has to spend $1,000 or even $10,000 for every $1 that you spend.

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    4. Re:Potential Damages? by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 4, Funny

      The headline should read "Patriot missile finally shoots something down"

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    5. Re:Potential Damages? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let's talk about the F-35 in this context, shall we....

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    6. Re:Potential Damages? by OzPeter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It does sound like a modern art project to me.

      Oh come on. If I was going for an art project I'd be suggesting pig's blood and not red paint!

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    7. Re:Potential Damages? by fincher69 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Better yet, cans of spray tan!

  2. They'll probably need something like AEGIS by DeplorableCodeMonkey · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What they need as a starting point is something like AEGIS, but that is plug and play onto any vehicle. Something as simple as a turret that is radar-controlled and that uses 5.56 could shred consumer drones all day. It's be a foregone conclusion if they use 7.62.

  3. Engineers have a name for that phenomenon. by hey! · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We call it a "golden hammer". Only in this case it's a single-use golden hammer.

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  4. On the bright side... by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... this conclusively disproves all of the naysayers who claim that the Patriot missile doesn't work.

  5. How is this different than the economics of decoys by El+Cubano · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, how is this different than the economics of decoys?

    I understand that the objectives are different, but dropping a very expensive GPS-guided bomb to destroy what ends up being a $10,000 tank or aircraft decoy is sort of the same problem from an economic perspective. I mean, the same things that come into play there (i.e., how can tell what is a real threat to me and what is not) are also in play in the drone scenario. If they fire off a multi-million dollar munition at every little thing that twitched then any army would eventually run into problems. Plus, one of the main things which a battlefield commander is supposed to do is figure out what the real threats are and filter out the things that aren't real threats (a really difficult problem in most circumstances).

    I guess I don't see what is special about this particular scenario. This problem has existed for decades.

  6. Free stuff by ghoul · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem with free stuff. When you are getting the Patriot missiles free from the US but the bullets from a rifle are paid by your national govt, the Patriot is the more cost effective solution.
    Children in US dont have healthcare because the govt is busy spending billions on hight tech toys like Patriots.

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    1. Re:Free stuff by psycho12345 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Excellent, we can finally write off the 3rd world conservative states who can't fund such things. We liberals can sit back and enjoy the show. A pity we are forced to subsidize them for now, but at last, we have our future free labor from desperate states.

  7. Big problems come in small packages... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For the price of a Patriot missile, the enemy could have bought 1,500 drones to overwhelm air defenses with multiple targets.

    1. Re:Big problems come in small packages... by ledow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If a $200 drone costs your enemy $3m to take down, you really have advertised quite a large problem.

      For a few thousand, you can cost your enemy so much money they'll think twice about bothering, which opens them up to attack.

      Or, in the worst case, they are hemorrhaging money and you just pop down the toy shop once a month for another.

      I have to say, the image of a swarm of drones must be really attractive to an attacker of any kind, especially if the response is overkill like this.

      Same as being a fish in a large shoal. Through a few thousand against the most heavily defended places, one of them is bound to get through.

  8. Getting my money's worth by halltk1983 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can I at least get the video so it's not a complete waste of my tax dollars?

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  9. Rifle Bullet? No? by Eloking · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I mean, we're talking consumer drone so we're talking what? ~500 feet (~150m) and 100 mph? (~160kph)

    Why don't they simply shoot at it with their rifle?

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