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Ebook Pirates Are Relatively Old and Wealthy, Study Finds (torrentfreak.com)

A new study has found that people who illegally download ebooks are older and wealthier than most people's perception of the average pirate. From a report on TorrentFreak: Commissioned by anti-piracy company Digimarc, the study suggests that people aged between 30 and 44 years old with a household income of between $60k and $99k are most likely to grab a book without paying for it. [...] In previous studies, it has been younger downloaders that have grabbed much of the attention, and this one is no different. Digimarc reveals that 41 percent of all adult pirates are aged between 18 and 29 but perhaps surprisingly, 47 percent fall into the 30 to 44-year-old bracket. At this point, things tail off very quickly, as the remaining 13 percent are aged 45 or up.

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  1. age 30 is old and $60K is "wealthy" by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Welcome to the third world.

    1. Re:age 30 is old and $60K is "wealthy" by the_skywise · · Score: 3, Funny

      I've somehow woken up in the universe of Logan's Run!

      LastDay anyone? :)

    2. Re:age 30 is old and $60K is "wealthy" by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "-er"

      Do note that "er" on the end. It's important. "Older" is NOT the same as "old". My youngest is older than my dog, for instance. And wealthier too. Of course, that's not saying much, since the dog has no money, and is only two...

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    3. Re:age 30 is old and $60K is "wealthy" by fred6666 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The key word is "relatively". 30 to 44 is indeed older than we could have expected.

      Also $60K puts you in the global 0.19% according to http://www.globalrichlist.com/
      It's definitely rich on a world-wide scale, and no, you don't need to compare only the third world. Even in developed countries that must easily be in the top 20%.
      But hey, it's easier to complain when you think you are poor.

    4. Re:age 30 is old and $60K is "wealthy" by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      The median range where I live is around $38k/year(poverty wage is $19k/year). The average wage across Canada around $49k/year and $52k/year in the US. So yes, $60k/year is wealthy. Now maybe if you live somewhere, where rent for 550sqft is $2000/mo and you're paying $15/lbs for kale, yeah $60k isn't going to reach very far. In my neck of the woods, you could not only live comfortably on $60k but live a lifestyle beyond the scope of your neighbors in the average middle class neighborhood. And to be realistic, at $38k/year most people in this area are barely making ends meet because wages aren't tied to inflation, but the basic costs for fuel, food, and so on have gone through the roof in the last 5 years.

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    5. Re:age 30 is old and $60K is "wealthy" by Enigma2175 · · Score: 2

      You don't become a billionaire if you can even consider the concept of "enough money". Of course billionaires always want more, or they wouldn't be billionaires.

      Homer: "You know, Mr. Burns, you're the richest guy I know. Way richer than Lenny."
      Mr. Burns: "Oh, yes. But I'd trade it all for a little more."

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    6. Re:age 30 is old and $60K is "wealthy" by nedlohs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      30-44 is also the age of the people who were in school (and just out of school) when file sharing took off in the mainstream (napster was 17 years ago...).

      They would be the group I would expect to be the biggest "pirates" - they're the group who got the internet as a free download anything you want wild west. Younger people got the app store style pay a few dollars experience instead.

      Of course, 14 years is far too big an age range given the domain is internet related it includes some before and after that time frame.

  2. Sharing Paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Older people - of which I am one, are accustomed to being able to share books. Book clubs, used book stores, sharing your favorite new read with a friend is part of the culture. The notion that you pay once and can never share with someone - yet pay close to the same price as paper - is both insulting and greedy.

    1. Re:Sharing Paper by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yep, I was going to post that as well. I have a library of over 5000 paperbacks, It's fun introducing people to Remo Williams, or Tarl Cabot, Casca and many others :)

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    2. Re:Sharing Paper by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yep, I was going to post that as well. I have a library of over 5000 paperbacks, It's fun introducing people to Remo Williams, or Tarl Cabot, Casca and many others :)

      Interesting that the same argument made by the "younger" generation - we're used to sharing, is now being used by "those of a certain age" to explain theirs. From a cultural standpoint, it's interesting to see how a norm, in this case passing around books, translates to a similar behavior in the eWorld. That has ramifications for a whole lot of industries. For example, if the really younger generation gets used to using Uber vs buying a car what happens when they start raising families. Will tehy automagically start buying minivans or will Uber morph int a Parent Taxi service?

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    3. Re:Sharing Paper by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Older people like me are also accustomed to being able to buy books, and not be hit with arbitrary regional restrictions. Imagine the lady at the checkout of your favourite book store or library putting aside a couple of books from your selection: "I am sorry sir, but you can't have those". That has been my main reason to pirate ebooks: region locks and availability. Thankfully the situation is improving, and publishers are learning not to piss off their customer this way.

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    4. Re:Sharing Paper by taustin · · Score: 4, Informative

      I guess you've never heard of Calibre and Apprentice Alf.

  3. Re:30-44 is old? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, the reality is - the internet and World Wide Web are old enough now that some people who grew up with them are now in their 30s.

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  4. Re:No mystery here by Altus · · Score: 5, Funny

    DC Universe movies.

    I certainly couldn't imagine paying to watch them.

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  5. When Ebooks are more expensive then pysical copies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Its kind of OK if they are priced the same, but I will never ever buy a EBook that costs more than the physical copy.

    The publisher needs to learn and set proper prices on EBooks.

  6. TRIGGERED! by Thud457 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    kids these days don't read.

    Also - reading correlates with "relatively wealthy"

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    1. Re:TRIGGERED! by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 5, Informative

      And he was right. The civilization that he was trying to protect no longer exists.

      My neighbor's kid was telling me last night that they "don't do things like study apostrophes any more" in school, relating to a science presentation that he'd finished. He's in the 7th grade gifted program and didn't know many grammar rules of any kind.

    2. Re:TRIGGERED! by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 2

      ... He's in the 7th grade gifted program and didn't know many grammar rules of any kind.

      But I bet he got an honorary participation award in English ;-)

    3. Re:TRIGGERED! by pnutjam · · Score: 2

      My daughter is a crazy about grammer rules, her school is obviously teaching them.

  7. Mod Parent Up by Scholasticus · · Score: 2

    They tell me I'm buying the book, but I do not actually own even the copy on my "device" in any meaningful sense. But ... if somebody obtains a copy without permission of the copyright holder, somehow that becomes theft of "intellectual property."

  8. Paid once already by bensafrickingenius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know this doesn't make it right to anyone but me, but I've been torrenting audiobooks and ebooks left and right OF TITLES I'VE ALREADY PAID FOR AT LEAST ONCE BEFORE. I have a long commute now, hence the desire for audio rereads of old favorites. I also do ALL of my reading on my Kindle app now -- I feel no guilt about obtaining the content I paid for on paper in different formats. I know, I'm a monster, right?

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  9. Re:30-44 is old? by mean+pun · · Score: 5, Informative
    I have no idea how old you are, but it does not matter. When you were young there were people complaining about the feckless youth of that day. Heck, archeologists have found clay tablets

    with such rants.

  10. eBook Costs Ripe for Disruption by Malggi · · Score: 2

    For $9.99 I can listen to almost all the music in the world... or I can read a single eBook

    Not any eBook either. Most current bestsellers are $12.99.

    There are some all-you-can-eat services like Oyster or Scribd, but a lot of major publisher's don't participate. Once the major publishers throw their hats into the ring, they'd probably start to see revenue from people who are currently pirating.

    1. Re:eBook Costs Ripe for Disruption by ctilsie242 · · Score: 2

      Amazon Prime has a service where you can read books for free, but only a few at a time, and you have to "return" them when done.

  11. I blame "whole word reading". by tlambert · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I blame "whole word reading".

    Pople who learned to read that way simply do not read for pleasure. They read when they are required to do so, but not otherwise.

    If you are a "whole word reader", and you encounter a word you've never seen before, it's off to the dictionary to look up the new ideogram (since that how the words are taught using that method), even if you actually use the word daily when speaking.

    I've occasionally wondered if we are going to have to make books available in "text speak", in the same way that we make them available in braille, in order to comply with the Americans With Disabilities act.

  12. distribution by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

    It is difficult to spend money on an industry that saves printing charges and shipping charges on physical books yet in some cases charges more for the ebook than the physical version. Demonstration of the fact that 'the people' aren't getting most of the benefits of technology.

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  13. Take a look at the illustration. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Take a look at the chart the illustration, Maybe it's just me but it kinda looks like charts that reflect who has a computer and who is proficient with it.

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  14. Re:30-44 is old? by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 2

    And we now see their rants were justified.

  15. Re:30-44 is old? by Tim+the+Gecko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If every generation is really 10% worse than the one before then we are just pond scum compared to Plato. And Plato's grandfather probably thought Plato could do a lot of things better.

  16. You can't "illegally download ebooks" by hackel · · Score: 4, Informative

    Downloading eBooks (or anything else) isn't illegal. *Distributing* them is, without the proper permission/license. It's the person who is sharing who is at fault, not the receiver. Don't let the corporate IP police fool or scare you. I support every author who sells directly to consumers. I will not support giant publishing corporations who screw over authors as a routine order of business.

    Support self-published authors, people!!

  17. Re:When Ebooks are more expensive then pysical cop by taustin · · Score: 2

    1. That book always looks new on whichever reader or tablet you might be using;

    Assuming you're allowed to transfer it to a new device. That can be problematic already, and history shows us that even if you're allowed to now, policies can change tomorrow.

    2. You do not need a bookshelf/s for all the books that you want: it's all in your Amazon/Barnes/whatever account

    But you do need power to charge your book reader, and if you drop your book in the bathtub, you drop all your books in the bathtub.

    3. All your books are easy to find, and search. That physical copy of 'The Three Musketeers' that you once had may have been lost when I was shifting from Santa Clara to Charlotte. Whereas if I have my iPad, I can find and read my books anywhere.

    But you can't loan them to a friend, or five friends, or donate them to the library when you're done with them.

    There certainly are advantage to ebooks, but there are disadvantages, too. Overall, I don't think either is superior to the other. That said, I haven't bought a paper book in years either, but then, I know how to make actual backups of my purchases, encrypted or not. And if I lose that ability, I'll stop buying ebooks.

  18. They may already own the books they are pirating. by NoSalt · · Score: 2

    Older people tend to have more books than younger people. I know I would feel completely within my rights to download a digital version of a book that I already own a hard copy of. For that matter, I would feel within my rights to download a digital version of a movie or music I already own, rather than go through the trouble of finding, then ripping the media.

  19. Re:No mystery here by jwhyche · · Score: 4, Funny

    That is the new form of copy protection. Just make it so bad that nobody would want to copy it.

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