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FBI Arrests Alleged Attacker Who Tweeted Seizure-Inducing Strobe at a Writer (theverge.com)

From a report on The Verge: An arrest has been made three months after someone tweeted a seizure-inducing strobe at writer and Vanity Fair contributing editor Kurt Eichenwald. The Dallas FBI confirmed the arrest to The Verge today, and noted that a press release with more details is coming. Eichenwald, who has epilepsy, tweeted details of the arrest and said that more than 40 other people also sent him strobes after he publicized the first attack. Their information is now with the FBI, he says. It isn't clear whether these "different charges" relate to similar online harassment incidents or something else entirely.

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  1. That's Like Something Out Of Neuromancer by lobiusmoop · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "At 12:04:03, every screen in the building strobed for eighteen seconds in a frequency that produced seizures in a susceptible segment of Sense/Net employees."

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  2. AFK != IRL by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Turns out the internet is as much real life as, well, real life. If it's possible to physically injure someone over the internet, then it's just as illegal to attempt to do so as it is in real life.

    "it's just a joke", "for the lolz" or "mah freeze peach" does not make punching someone in the face legal no matter if you think it's funny or are trying to raise a political point.

    And being on the internet is certainly not a free pass to do illegal things.

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    1. Re:AFK != IRL by misexistentialist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except all the financial fraud done over the internet which is barely investigated. Organized crime is boring, but if a trivial incident makes the news then a prosecutor hits pause on his porn player and files charges.

    2. Re:AFK != IRL by borcharc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I really hope this one goes to trial and then some interesting appeals. It's not clear what statute they claim was violated here but I am not buying the argument that a criminal act was committed.

    3. Re:AFK != IRL by ImprovOmega · · Score: 4, Informative

      Intent being the key difference.

      Posting a strobe flashy gif animation on a website? Not a big deal. Kinda douchey, but not a crime (even if someone does get a seizure from it but only because causing a seizure was not the intended result).

      Sending a strobe flashy to gif to someone you know who has a seizure disorder and accompanying it with a message that says something to the effect of "I hope you get a seizure from this"? Definitely illegal because the stated intent is to induce a seizure (even if one is *not* induced).

      It's kind of the online equivalent of mailing peanut dust to someone with a peanut allergy. Even if they don't get a bad reaction from it (say, because his mom opened it first and cleaned up before it hit him) then you will still be prosecuted for attempted assault because of the intent behind it.

    4. Re:AFK != IRL by rahvin112 · · Score: 2

      The key to the case will be the mens rea, if the sender knew about the epilepsy and the image was intended to cause harm they've got a good case. The defense will be trying to show the sender didn't know but I imagine they'll tear his computer apart and find out if it was intentional.

      The fact is that something like this should net an assault charge or depending on the severity even an attempted murder charge. There was intent to harm and harm was done. IMO this isn't any different than smearing someone with peanut butter that's allergic to it. You've got someone with a disability that if knowingly provoked could do severe harm or even kill the person.

    5. Re:AFK != IRL by Crashmarik · · Score: 2

      Well seeing as the caption was

      Here's a seizure for you

      Kind of hard to argue innocent intent.

    6. Re:AFK != IRL by geoskd · · Score: 2

      you are describing a tort claim, not a federal crime at the end of the day we are still talking about minimal damages and harm. I think an argument for a simple assault may hold a little water but I am unaware of a federal statute that covers simple assault.

      I have an epileptic son. Seizures are not the trivial things you seem to think they are. A grand mal seizure is often life threatening as it causes everything in the brain to go off kilter, including autonomic functions. When my son start having a seizure, he stops breathing, and if it goes on long enough, his heart stops beating. This has only happened once, and he had to be resuscitated. Most of the time, the lack of breathing induces hypoxia and that stops the seizure, but it is by no means a sure thing, as the hypoxia can prevent the normal resumption of autonomic functions after the seizure stops.

      The instrument this assailant was using was a deadly weapon. That makes this assault with a deadly weapon, or attempted murder depending on what they decide his intent was. Any way you slice it, this guy belongs behind bars, if only to protect the general public from his overarching ignorance coupled with his complete indifference to the consequences of his actions, and his demonstrated ability to access and deploy deadly weapons.

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  3. No. by mcmonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No one was arrested because they sent a picture someone didn't like.

    If the facts as reported are true, there was real intent and possibility of injury.

    1. Re:No. by ausekilis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, but people are arrested or censored for saying things someone doesn't like. Just look up George Carlin's 7 words you can't say on television.

      In this case, it was a picture sent (most likely) with the intent to injure or induce a seizure. There's a difference between offensive and injurious intent.

    2. Re:No. by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 3, Informative

      He wasn't arrested for the flashy GIF. He was arrested for the accompanying tweet text:

      "
      Hey dude, jack up the brightness and contrast. ....
      Done yet?
      BWAHAHAHAHA!!!! You're so convulsing on the floor!!! I gotcha good!!!
      "

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    3. Re:No. by DaHat · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Better example: Gregory Allen Elliot who was put on trial for what amounted to disagreeing with a couple of people on Twitter.

      Not quite to the level of a crime? True, but I didn't mention that the people he disagreed with felt 'threatened' by him.

    4. Re:No. by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 2

      Yes, the intent matters.

      If I make a salad that happens to have nuts in it and serve it to you, not knowing you're allergic, that's an unfortunate accident, but innocuous.

      If, however, I know you're deathly allergic to peanuts, and grind up peanut dust to put in it, and mention to a friend that I hope you choke on it, that's an entirely different matter.

    5. Re:No. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

      Here's the problem with that, though: Who gets to decide what the difference really is? Consider this scenario:

      Gee, if we only had some sort of official organization for determining injurious intent. Maybe it could be called a "court" and the people presiding would be called, "judges". Yeah, someone should totally invent that.

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    6. Re:No. by Pseudonym · · Score: 2

      I've witnessed escalating shouting matches between neighbours which end up with the police arriving. The law becoming involved in such cases is not new.

      Just like the McDonald's coffee case, a lot of people don't get why this case went to trial. There were genuine disagreements on what actually happened, and it took the investigation and trial to sort it all out.

      There was at least one impersonation account involved, and as such, none of the actually-threatening tweets were from Elliot. But what the case ultimately hinged on was whether or not Elliot was expected to know that the recipients were being harassed (which they undeniably were, by other people) and that because of this, what he said would cause them to legitimately fear for their safety. He had no reason to know that there was an active harassment campaign because Guthrie had blocked him, so he couldn't see it.

      In the end, the correct outcome was reached. So the system works, I guess.

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  4. Good by Schezar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If something like this is done with intent to harm and knowledge of the likelihood of harm, it's tantamount to punching him in the face.

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  5. Fantastic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let's not forget that this guy was targeted by alt-reichers and white supremacists because he was investigating some of Donald Trump's criminal activity.

    Send this criminal to jail. The tweet was sent with the intent of triggering a seizure - that's worthy of a couple of years in the slammer, at least.

  6. Re:A strobe gif in an email is illegal? by david_thornley · · Score: 2

    There are laws against deliberately causing people physical harm, no matter what the means used.

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  7. Re:A strobe gif in an email is illegal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Attempting to injure someone is illegal, yes.

    The law doesn't try to carefully enumerate every method by which you might injure someone so that a clever criminal can say "haha! I invented a new weapon, so now it is legal for me to injure people with it because it isn't on the list of weapons that existed decades ago when the law was written!"

    The law says attempting to hurt someone with a weapon that might be lethal is "assault with a deadly weapon", so if the prosecutor can show that you intended to hurt someone, and you used something that might cause death, you can be convicted. The law does not attempt to enumerate every weapon that could possibly be used to hurt or kill someone; the prosecutor can present evidence that you knew the thing you used was dangerous and could cause death.

    If you send a strobe gif to your programming partner with a note saying "hey, look what I created with my leet javascript skills!", you probably couldn't be convicted because the prosecutor couldn't show intent. But if you are bragging in writing about how you are going to cause someone to have a seizure by sending them a strobe gif, then it probably isn't hard to convince a jury that you intended to cause inujury, and it shouldn't be hard to find an expert witness to testify that it is quite possble to die from an epileptic seizure.

    As for how it can be prosecuted, well, same way as anything else. Lawyers show up in court and show evidence, and attempt to convince a jury that you violated a law. The specifics vary by law, but generally "did you do X" combined with "did you have intent to violate the law when you did X".

  8. Re:Glad the FBI are doing their jobs by david_thornley · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Speaking as a leftist who has a personal hatred of Nazis (on top of all the general hatred), I think we need to wait until they violate criminal law before they're brought to justice. I do believe in these formalities.

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  9. Re:P-300 Waves by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's about deliberate and demonstrable intent. Furthermore, it's about intent that can be proven in a court of law. In this case, the guy not only sent the image to someone known publicly to suffer seizures of this kind, he explicitly stated it was his intent to give the guy a seizure, and thereby do harm to him.

    If I post up a flashing image on the FlashingObnoxiousGifs site, that's like my eating a peanut butter sandwich, or shooting my rifle at a firing range. It's not going to hurt anyone, unless they're being really really dumb.

    If on the other hand, I deliberately try to serve cookies containing peanuts to you, knowing you're deathly allergic to peanuts, and tell someone that my intention is to do you harm, then yes, that's illegal and I should expect to be charged, much the same as if I'd laced them with a more generally toxic compound.
    Likewise, if I turn around on the range and point the rifle at you, and pull the trigger, yelling 'eat lead motherf*cker', then uh, yeah, I'm kinda deliberately trying to harm you.

  10. Re:A strobe gif in an email is illegal? by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

    We're treading dangerously into territory where you're trying to read minds. You would have to prove intent ..... you would have to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that you intended to and actually believed that your actions would harm someone. The burden of proof would be very particular because sending that same email to 99% of the population, even including many epileptics, would do no harm.

    Well, that tweet was sent with a note of "you deserve a seizure" alongside it, which pretty much confirms intent to harm

    Sometimes it can be hard to confirm intent. This time, it was pretty obvious the sender intentionally sent that eeizure-inducing image hoping it would cause a seizure.

    No mind reading tricks needed here - the sender made it plainly obvious they were intentionally sending it to harm the guy. Maybe in other cases, but not this one.

  11. Re:Harrison Bergeron by hackwrench · · Score: 2

    No, someone didn't just get prosecuted just because he sent a tweet to a special needs person. He sent a tweet with the intent to cause him to have a seizure, a tweet that embedded the image, and Twitter being a platform where tweets "just appear" when you go to your Twitter page.