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Climate Shaped the Human Nose, Researchers Say (theguardian.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Guardian: Human noses have been shaped by climate, according to research probing variation in the human snout. Researchers say their findings back up the theory that wider nostrils developed in populations living in warm, humid conditions, while populations living in high latitudes, such as northern Europe, developed narrower nostrils as an adaptation to the chilly, dry conditions. Writing in the journal Plos Genetics, researchers from the U.S., Ireland and Belgium describe how they began to unpick variations in nose shape by using 3D facial imaging to take a host of measurements from 476 volunteers of south Asian, east Asian, west African and northern European ancestry. The results revealed that only two out of seven nose-related traits were found to differ more between the populations than would be expected from the impact of random, chance changes in genetic makeup over time. The authors say that suggests variations in those traits have been influenced by natural selection. With further analysis, based on data from participants of west African and European ancestry, confirming that nose shape is highly heritable, the team looked to see if there was a link between nose shape and climate. The results showed that nostril width is linked to temperature and absolute humidity, with participants whose ancestors lived in warm-humid climates on average having wider nostrils than those whose ancestors lived in cool-dry climates. That, says Arslan Zaidi, co-author of the study from Pennsylvania State University, could be because narrower nasal passages help to increase the moisture content of air and warm it -- a bonus for those in higher latitudes.

57 comments

  1. You know what they say: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You can pick your friends, you can pick your nose, but you can't unpick variations in nose shape by using 3D facial imaging to take a host of measurements from 476 volunteers of south Asian, east Asian, west African and northern European ancestry.

    1. Re:You know what they say: by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      As the theme tune to a popular kids' program went: If you can pick it, lick it, roll it and flick it you're a record breaker!

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  2. Arslan Zaidi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like an H1-B! Go back to your country!!!!

    1. Re: Arslan Zaidi by dougdonovan · · Score: 0

      go back to obviously india.

  3. Evolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We like to think that this means that humans decided to have trait X, but it really means that those who didn't have trait X were less likely to reproduce and pass on that trait, right?

    So does this mean that people with the wrong kind of nose are less likely to thrive in those areas?
    Or does it just mean that people of the opposite sex that lived in those areas found that type of nostril more attractive?
    Or some combination of both?
    Or something else? (e.g. pure dumb luck after some major catastrophe)

    1. Re: Evolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A wide nose allows more oxygen into the lungs, which is why black people are fast. The slow ones got et. Conversely, a narrow nose streamlines the body for swimming, which is why Belgium wins most swimming competitions.

    2. Re: Evolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you explain the ability to use the mouth to breathe?

      Also, black people might be able to run fast, but the average IQ in Africa is 85, which suggests that they aren't fast in every capacity.

    3. Re: Evolution by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

      Pretty much stupid comment. Getting more oxygen into the lungs is not the most important factor in running fast. As narrow nose is not the most important one in swimming fast. Nerd you are not.

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    4. Re: Evolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck off Nazi

    5. Re: Evolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Facts make libtards sad and angry.

      I guess reality doesn't have a liberal bias afterall.

    6. Re: Evolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the African-American IQ average is 85. In Africa, it's roughly 70.

  4. Only interesting to Belgian researches. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    You got to wonder what the motive for the U.S. and U.K researchers were, considering both countries have collectively cut off their nose to spite their face. ;)

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    1. Re:Only interesting to Belgian researches. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Belgium nothing gets done. If a Fleming cuts off his nose, a Walloon will sue the shit out of him because he didn't cut it the correct way. That's why for now they've been relatively safe with their noses.

    2. Re:Only interesting to Belgian researches. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Belgium nothing gets done. If a Fleming cuts off his nose, a Walloon will sue the shit out of him because he didn't cut it the correct way. That's why for now they've been relatively safe with their noses.

      Bullshit.

      Belgians are not litigation happy, and Walloons and Flemings pretty much ignore each other since they are hardly aware what is going on the other side of the language barrier.

  5. Mouth breather here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I live in a northern latitude, have narrow nostrils, and breathe through my mouth. Is that bad, then?

    1. Re:Mouth breather here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, not bad. Mouthbreathing is TREMENDOUS. The best, the fantastic deal. Those who say it's bad are crooked LIARS. Sad!

      If it's good enough for the president, it's good enough for you!

    2. Re:Mouth breather here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, if you use your mouth to breathe, you can effectively ignore foul odors, like the ones coming from black people. Seriously, do you people not take baths or showers, or what?

  6. This is my passion! by kwelch007 · · Score: 1

    We should devote more of our Student's tuition and my tax money to subsidize studies about stuff I don't give a shit about. Hawk nose, no-nose, skinny nose, broad nose...they all smell the same from my altitude.

    1. Re:This is my passion! by Howitzer86 · · Score: 1

      Well, someone cared at least. Their interests are every bit as valid as yours - if we let the Salt of the Earth dictate how science funds were spent, there wouldn't be much science going on.

  7. It might have started ... by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    Climate might have started shaping human nose, but the project was actually completed by plastic surgeons in Los Angeles.

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  8. Don't ask for whom the nose blows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I get a flu, almost always it's my right nostril that gets clogged. Left nostril rarely clogs. What could be the cause? I tend to sleep on my right side.
    Oh well, I can live with that. As long as my nose doesn't start whistling.

    1. Re:Don't ask for whom the nose blows by Knuckles · · Score: 3, Informative

      When I get a flu, almost always it's my right nostril that gets clogged. Left nostril rarely clogs. What could be the cause? I tend to sleep on my right side.
      Oh well, I can live with that. As long as my nose doesn't start whistling.

      I had what seems the same condition, also associated with chronic sinusitis due to resulting reduced ventilation of nose and sinuses. Most likely you have a deviated septum and/or an enlarged turbinate (nasal concha) on the clogged side.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      The enlarged turbinate usually goes hand in hand with the deviated septum because the turbinate tends to grow into the room provided by the deviation, resulting in poor air passage on this side.

      People with this condition tend to sleep ion the side with the enlarged turbinate because this tends to alleviate the breathing problems.

      You should see an ENT doctor and discuss an operation for septum deviation and measures to fix the turbinate. This may be combined with FESS (Functional endoscopic sinus surgery) to fix associated problems in the sinuses at the same time. I just had the surgery done 2 weeks ago:
      1. Septum deviation fixed
      2. Lateralisation of both turbinates (see further down)
      3. Somnoplasty of the right turbinate (see further down)
      4. Infundibulotomy of the ethmoidal infundibulum, i.e., a size increase of the the opening between nasal cavity and sinus maxillaris, to help with ejection of mucus from the sinus. (In humans, the opening is suboptimally placed on the top of the sinus maxillaris due to upright walk. It also tends to grow closed as a result of chronic sinusitis). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      I am super happy with the results. Until a few years ago this surgery (and the subsequently required tamponade for hemostasis) could be quite bad, but with modern endoscopic surgery and modern hemostatic techniques (e.g., Doyle splint or Doyle combo splint) it is not a biggie at all.

      Note that turbinate reduction (conchotomy) was overdone in the past, leading to severe issues like Empty Nose Syndrome
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      DO NOT let anyone do a complete removal (turbinectomy) - no good ENT would do this nowadays, if someone wants to, they are quacks.
      The same goes for turbinate sectioning (i.e., cutting off smaller parts of the turbinate). This also is a bloody hack job which does not lead to sustained improvement as the turbinate will regrow over a few years.

      Good options are:
      1. Lateralization of the inferior (lower) turbinates. The turbinate is separated from the underlying bone, moved laterally, and reattached. This increases the air passage without inflicting any wounds on the turbinate (apart from the minor surgery wounds which heal quickly)
      2. If lateralisation is not sufficient because the turbinate is already too large, additional somnoplasty (bipolar radiofrequency ablation) is an option. Lower layers of the turbinate are destroyed by heat, and the subsequent contracting of the scar leads to size decrease.

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  9. Now the big question is: by LordHighExecutioner · · Score: 1

    how was climate when elephants appeared on the Earth ?

  10. Rhinoplasty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What? No comments yet about the "Sweet Sixteen Nose-Job."

  11. I respectfully disagree. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if air is cheap, then noses curl to the mouth like a backhow or a pick or shovel.

    There was recently an article about holocaust denial in Google, of tge holocaust happened then shouldnt there be some noses born straight not hooked? You cant pick your nose, but your lifestyle picks your children's nose.

    1. Re:I respectfully disagree. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yay. The Time Cube has returned!

  12. Cartillage moreso. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    most noses pulled down by gravity like a hook because the skeleton and skin by either parent genome didnt match right. comparing a Great Dane to a Sharpee is like a Chijuajua was born with all the skin of a Dane.

    The hooknose was because of middle-eastern dna. Likely of how most African slave trade was pushed to middle-east and they sired to slave dna resulting to the unethical genome branches exhibitting such characteristics.

  13. Climate shaped by human nose by da.phreak · · Score: 1

    Did anyone else misread?

    1. Re:Climate shaped by human nose by tomhath · · Score: 1

      I was looking for the "Climate change will make your nose bigger" conclusion.

  14. No sh*t. by Qbertino · · Score: 1, Funny

    As far as evolutionary theory goes, this is about as "Captain Obvious" you can get, imho.

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    1. Re:No sh*t. by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      As far as evolutionary theory goes, this is about as "Captain Obvious" you can get, imho.

      True, but only the headline here, the research is interesting in that they tested many difference in noses, and isolate only two traits related to climate and proved the rest random.

    2. Re:No sh*t. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      IQ has a similar relationship to climate...but we cannot talk about that now can we.

    3. Re: No sh*t. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought this was common knowledge or is it just so obvious that no-one's done the measurements before?

  15. Non PC but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not just the snout that's changed.

    Even with a massive margins of error, the trend in that graphic is concerning enough to at least be cautious. Jews are around 10 IQ points higher than whites and 60 IQ points higher than Australian aborigines for example. 30 of that max can be explained by nutrition, education and poverty, but making up the other 30 by environmental factors alone is near impossible.

    Australian aborigines have scientifically proven, better vision than Europeans and probably any other demographic in the world. If the eye can differ in quality between groups of people who have evolved in separate continents for millennia, then why can't the brain - itself merely another physical organ?

    As another example, the difference in intelligence between a border collie and bulldog is vast, and pit bulls are obviously much more aggressive than labrador retrievers. Human races are somewhat comparable to different breeds. We are okay speaking about these differences in dogs, but when it comes to humans, then we have to be all PC.

    1. Re:Non PC but... by Immerman · · Score: 1

      The problem is that while their are in fact some substantial differences between the average X of different breed of humans, the variation within each breed are almost always considerably larger, making any sort of generality is utterly irrelevant on an individual basis.

      Also, I question the veracity of your data. For example, as I recall it's only one specific sub-population of Jews that shows such a dramatic advantage in intelligence (though I think it was only about 6 points), and also much higher rates of certain neurological problems related to the same gene, which had spread throughout the population during a period of intense cultural isolation.

      It's also worth considering that it's been fairly well established at this point that IQ tests are extremely unreliable across cultural boundaries, as it's very difficult to formulate a sufficient breadth of questions without assuming a lot of culture-specific knowledge.

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    2. Re: Non PC but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Darwinism 101. About 75-80 years ago the smart Jews left Germany, and the remaining dumb ones were selected against by their natural enemies the Nazis. So today's Jews are on average smarter than other (non-Chinese) ethnicities. And since you were wondering, the Chinese owe their intelligence to the Mongols.

  16. Not buying it by Alan+R+Light · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Having spent several months on the polar plateau, I say it's humbug. There's not enough room in the nose to warm up air appreciably, and the extra surface area exposed to cold air is more likely to expose it to frostbite (and chunks falling off) than do anything useful. What good will that air-warmer do once it has fallen off?

    Also, how could any study of the suitability of nose type to climate fail to include at least one polar people, such as the Inuit, Sami, or Chukchi?

  17. The French Nose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is for finding truffles.

  18. So it's evolution's fault? by cellocgw · · Score: 1

    Like they say, you can pick your friends, but you can't pick your nose.

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    1. Re:So it's evolution's fault? by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      The old saying is: "You can pick your nose and you can pick your friends, but you can't pick your friend's nose."

  19. If you didn't have a nose, how would you smell? by swell · · Score: 1

    Terrible!

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  20. What this REALLY Means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If we don't tax everything, restrict energy usage and return to the 1700s, Climate change will make all of our noses look funny and we will become the laughing stock of the Galaxy.

    1. Re:What this REALLY Means by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      "If we don't tax everything, restrict energy usage and return to the 1700s..."

      Return to the 1700s? Those people are almost as suspicious of the Enlightenment as they are of nuclear energy and GMOs. Gotta return to the Stone Age and reclaim our Neandertal heritage.

  21. South America by rfengr · · Score: 1

    Though why do those living in high altitude South American countries have bigger nasal passages? Or is that just a hold over from migration within the last 40k years?

  22. Hey I'm beau and severely out of touch. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey Im beau,,
    I dont know what im doing here,, Isn't it obvious by the stuff ive been posting..
    my mouth is so full of DICE, it seems to impact my brain to the point that I must spit out this crap (along with other fluids) in order to avoid choking..
    I seek to be important and significant, only to further marginalize my self when opening my mouth.
    Maybe others may catch on to the fact that I got this job through acts of Lewd and indecent fornication with your fellow DICE overlords? Naw, I'll blind them with facets of fantastic fornication.. :)

    1. Re:Hey I'm beau and severely out of touch. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey Beau, We here at DICE holdings.. Oops, one moment, I have to undo my belt and pants for your feeding, "we here @ DICE Holdings believe in nothing other than our selves, fuck society"
      "Beau, is doing a mediocre job (well within our expectations) but could step it up by working the balls better"

      "keep up the good work Beau"

  23. of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    animals adapt to their environment.

  24. Evolution FAIL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One could argue it's all wrong from the expected results: whitey ought to have big fat ape nostrils evolved for easier picking with gloves on. Blacky ought to have skinny nostrils because he doesn't need the gloves.

    Nice try evolutionists, you clearly lost this time.

  25. This is not PC by I75BJC · · Score: 2

    Under the current PC rules, this is Racist. Evolution is Racist! (Just drawing a conclusion for what I have been told.)

  26. *sigh* by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

    As the old saying goes "everyone knows that and scientifically measured and quantified are not the same thing".

  27. Big nose... by antdude · · Score: 1

    Is that why Bill Cosby, others, and I have huge noses? :P

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  28. Climate change by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

    I guess this means all our noses are about to change shape.

  29. Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Serioulsly? What's next? Climate shaped the eyes? Climate influenced skin color?
    I thought this was already a matter of fact.