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1.6 Billion-Year-Old Plant Fossil Found In India (phys.org)

Complex multicellular life began 400 million years earlier than we thought, according to a Phys.org article shared by Slashdot reader William Robinson: Scientists found two kinds of fossils resembling red algae in uniquely well-preserved sedimentary rocks at Chitrakoot in central India. One type is thread-like, the other one consists of fleshy colonies. The scientists were able to see distinct inner cell structures and so-called cell fountains, the bundles of packed and splaying filaments that form the body of the fleshy forms and are characteristic of red algae... The oldest known red algae before the present discovery are 1.2 billion years old. The Indian fossils, 400 million years older and by far the oldest plant-like fossils ever found, suggest that the early branches of the tree of life need to be recalibrated.

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  1. Remarkable How Our Assumptions Are Often Wrong by dryriver · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I love the way in the 21st Century we keep reading news headlines that end in "... than previously thought". Its always science news, too. Something or the other is always ..................... than previously thought. =) Of course updating what we "know" according to new data is a good thing. But its striking how often ".... than previously thought" appears in the news.

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    1. Re:Remarkable How Our Assumptions Are Often Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      But its striking how often ".... than previously thought" appears in the news.

      And it's also striking how rarely science news reports results that confirm previous scientific thought. It's almost as if confirming previous scientific thought isn't considered newsworthy. :)

    2. Re:Remarkable How Our Assumptions Are Often Wrong by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      That's why I save time by searching in reverse order.

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    3. Re:Remarkable How Our Assumptions Are Often Wrong by sysrammer · · Score: 2

      But its striking how often ".... than previously thought" appears in the news.

      And it's also striking how rarely science news reports results that confirm previous scientific thought. It's almost as if confirming previous scientific thought isn't considered newsworthy. :)

      That's what I was going to say. If it's not new, it's not "news".

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    4. Re:Remarkable How Our Assumptions Are Often Wrong by fredrated · · Score: 1

      It's what science does, improve it's knowledge. You could say it's the core of science. You seem to be unhappy that you can't just 'know' something and it will always be true. On behalf of the Universe let me apologize.

    5. Re:Remarkable How Our Assumptions Are Often Wrong by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      LIFO's are fine, but I'm partial to binary searches, myself. I usually start my search for my car keys on my front porch, halfway between my bedroom and my car.

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    6. Re:Remarkable How Our Assumptions Are Often Wrong by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      ...I am also surprised whenever my assumptions are wrong. It is certainly an anomaly, every time.

      qft

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    7. Re:Remarkable How Our Assumptions Are Often Wrong by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Binary search only works for ordered data. If you don't find them on the porch, which direction do you move?

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  2. Re:FAKE NEWS by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What I find interesting is why anyone puts stock in religious or mythical beliefs that really ultimately were just, at best, wild conjecture, and likely just as often just good old fashioned fabrication. We didn't really begin to have a good scientifically-based notion that the Earth was very old until the 18th century as the science of geology began to form.

    I love reading ancient myths, whether they be the Bible or the Vedas. They give us an extraordinary window on ancient cultures, on their structures, on their worldview and their aspirations. The one thing such works are not very good for is determining the age of the Earth, of the Universe, or how life formed and evolved. In many cases, ancient myth-writers had such flawed views of the natural world that their writings weren't even wrong. I can forgive them, they lived before any kind of reliable naturalistic methodologies existed. I can't really forgive modern Creationists, however. Embracing some silly Bronze Age person's notion of the universe and rejecting modern science is just plain idiotic.

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  3. Re:1.6 Billion-Year-Old Plant Fossil Found In Indi by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1, Funny

    Definitely wrong. The world is 4.6 billion years old, so claims of 3 billion years of experience in photosyntheris would be credible. Any Indian fossil worth its salt would claim 5 billion years of experience.

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  4. Re:FAKE NEWS by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Hindus have a very relaxed view of the scriptures. For example the important avatars of God Vishnu are, in order, fish (matsya), turtle (koorma), pig (varaha), man-lion (nara-simha), dwarf-man (vaamana), axe-man (parasu-raman), perfect-man (Raman), imperfect-man (Krishnan) and the eagerly awaited apocalypse-inducer (kalki). Now many are stretching this as an adumberation of the theory of evolution.

    If the printing press has not arrested the evolution of Hindu scriptures in 18th century, by this time we would have established Jesus and Mohammad as avatars of Vishnu, and Darwin as a recent saint. There is one version of Brahmandapurana which has the entire old testament geneology, the story of genesis and most of European history up the Queen Victoria. It is typically disregarded as an interpolation done at the behest of the evil British. But it does show there were enough collaborators to the evil British who knew enough Sanskrit to write in the old style and do the interpolation.

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  5. Re:FAKE NEWS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We didn't really begin to have a good scientifically-based notion that the Earth was very old until the 18th century as the science of geology began to form.

    Not true. The ancient Greek approached Earth very scientific. Take for instance Heron of Alexandria (which was Greek at the time). At the time it was widely known that the planet is a globe. They even had evidence for it. A lunar eclipse displays the earth's shadow on the moon and shape of the shadow reveals a round/globe shape. However Heron went one step further. He heard that in Luxor, there was a well, which for some mysterious reason had sunlight hitting the water, but it only happened once every year. Heron figured it would happen when the sun was directly on top of the well, meaning he had a predictable time when the sunlight hit the ground in a 90 degree angle. He put a stick in the ground in Alexandra, which was 90 degree to the ground. At the time the sun hit the water, he measured the shadow of the stick, which allowed him to calculate the angle the sun hit the ground. He then viewed the planet as a circle, used the angle to calculate which fraction of the circle is between him and the well. Next he managed to obtain the distance between Alexandra and Luxor (somebody else measured it). What remained then was a multiplication to get how far he would have to travel to get all the way around the planet. His measurements were crude and he didn't hit the correct number, but the error was in the realm of single digit percentage.

    I say that's a fairly scientific approach to observing Earth and much better than what most people assume from people living in the first century.

    Columbus did not fight the fear of falling off the edge of a flat world. What was actually questioned was the distance to Asia. Assuming America didn't exist (clearly a possible risk before it was discovered) the route from Europe to Asia would have been further than half the way around the planet. The ships didn't have enough supplies to make it that far, meaning the debate was about if the ships would be lost at sea due to running out of supplies and if you could risk something as expensive as 3 ships to just be lost like that. The story about falling off the edge was added much later, possibly the 18th or 19th century where people wanted to say people in the past were stupid.

    The 6000 year old planet comes from a man, who studied the Bible. He did that in a fairly scientific way (surprisingly) where he took note of each person and how they relate to other people. He then tried to construct a timeline to figure out how far back the Bible goes before the birth of Christ. He comes up with some date in October 4004 BC. He then announced that was the date Earth was created and since he wasn't a nobody in the Church, it was adopted and even added to the Bible itself. If we leave out his conclusion about genesis, the fact that the Bible should contain tales of kings and other important people for 4000 years is actually interesting. However that's off topic because it's a question for historians and this is about science.

    The first man to question the 4004 BC year was James Hutton, a Scotsman who discovered sentiments. He never made a guess to the age of the planet, but he knew 6000 years had to be way too little to make what he had observed. That was mid 18th century. I highly recommend the 3 part series "Men of rock" if you want to know more about how modern Earth observations started.

  6. My pastor says the Earth is only 6,000 years old. by newdsfornerds · · Score: 1

    LoL

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  7. article by Abvaner · · Score: 1

    Great article, good job!