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CBS Reports 'Suspicious' Cell Phone Tower Activity In Washington DC (cbsnews.com)

"An unusually high amount of suspicious cell phone activity in the nation's capital has caught the attention of the Department of Homeland Security, raising concerns that U.S. officials are being monitored by a foreign entity," reports CBS News: The issue was first reported in the Washington Free Beacon, but a source at telecom security firm ESD America confirmed the spike in suspicious activity to CBS News. ESD America, hired preemptively for a DHS pilot program this January called ESD Overwatch, first noticed suspicious activity around cell phone towers in certain parts of the capital, including near the White House. This kind of activity can indicate that someone is monitoring specific individuals or their devices... According to the ESD America source, the first such spike of activity was in D.C. but there have been others in other parts of the country. Based on the type of technology used, the source continued, it is likely that the suspicious activity was being conducted by a foreign nation.
The news coincides with a letter sent to the DHS by two congressmen "deeply concerned" about vulnerabilities in the SS7 protocol underlying U.S. cellular networks, according to an article shared by Slashdot reader Trailrunner7. Senator Ron Wyden and Representative Ted Lieu are asking if the agency has enough resources to address the threat. "Although there have been a few news stories about this topic, we suspect that most Americans simply have no idea how easy it is for a relatively sophisticated adversary to track their movements, tap their calls, and hack their smartphones."

188 comments

  1. Holy shit Trump was right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Everyone is being wire tapped oh shit...

    1. Re:Holy shit Trump was right! by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Suspicious activity involving cellphone monitoring? Tell you what, start with the FBI, NSA, CIA, DHS, and local cops. On the remote chance that it isn't one of them, get back to me.

    2. Re: Holy shit Trump was right! by cthulhu11 · · Score: 2

      Given the cheeto administration, I suspect that suspicious activity means a black person using a phone.

    3. Re: Holy shit Trump was right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have it from reliable sources that Trump Tower is being spied on by the Martians.

  2. type of technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Based on the type of technology used, the source continued, it is likely that the suspicious activity was being conducted by a foreign nation."

    Is that because the US based three-letter-agencies just tap in at the service provider level?

    1. Re:type of technology by gweihir · · Score: 2

      Indeed. And they do not want anybody else to have everybodies dirty secrets!

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    2. Re:type of technology by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      I assume that someone with service provider MiTM access could do a bunch of SS7 weirdness, in order to confuse attribution; but that's my understanding: if you have privileged access at the provider level, you don't need to do anything to traffic routing/redirection that might attract attention, you can just grab a copy as it passes by; while if you don't have provider-level cooperation;, you either need to try to get the traffic sent somewhere you do have access to(or run the comparatively great risk of sending people out with stingrays to do it in person; which is likely a poor plan unless you are the local cops.

      Sort of like when something deeply unsettling happens to the world's BGP configurations. Ma Bell doesn't need to mess with those to tap your stuff; but some backwater that normally doesn't pass traffic worth spying on needs to modify things if they want to intercept something of interest.

    3. Re:type of technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's because they've started considering themselves sovereign powers.

    4. Re:type of technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >started

    5. Re:type of technology by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      Indeed. And they do not want anybody else to have everybodies dirty secrets!

      Um...

      OK, yes, the FBI, NSA, CIA wiretapping is not good. Regardless of what you think of that (some people here seem to think its OK for some reason), there's surely no way a foreign agency doing is it OK just because they did.

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    6. Re:type of technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Indeed. And they do not want anybody else to have everybodies dirty secrets!

      Um...

      OK, yes, the FBI, NSA, CIA wiretapping is not good. Regardless of what you think of that (some people here seem to think its OK for some reason), there's surely no way a foreign agency doing is it OK just because they did.

      I was getting the impression that NSA wiretapping was only a problem when it was of Americans - that overseas tapping was fine. In which case foreign agencies tapping Americans is also presumably fine. Have I misunderstood?

    7. Re:type of technology by gweihir · · Score: 2

      Have I misunderstood?

      You have. Americans are _more_ equal than anybody else!

      (Or at least they believe they are. Turns out they are just sheep, same as anybody else.)

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    8. Re:type of technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. And they do not want anybody else to have everybodies dirty secrets!

      Um...

      OK, yes, the FBI, NSA, CIA wiretapping is not good. Regardless of what you think of that (some people here seem to think its OK for some reason), there's surely no way a foreign agency doing is it OK just because they did.

      The latest documents from Wikileaks says the NSA has the ability to leave digital fingerprints making it appear as though a foreign entity actually perpetuated such intrusions or monitoring. I do not trust the government to be truth.

    9. Re:type of technology by slashrio · · Score: 2

      Occam's razor tells me to first assume a local agency to be the suspect.

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    10. Re:type of technology by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2

      I find it much simpler to just assume everything outside of my brain is public information.

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    11. Re: type of technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was CIA docs, not NSA docs.
      Keep your TLAs straight.

    12. Re:type of technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >just sheep, same as anybody else.
      WE have more than 1 party.

    13. Re:type of technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Human traffickers have access to this type of technology. It is used to do surveillance on the victims and to fake evidence that they disappeared voluntarily.

      Please be alert!

      I am posting anonymously for the obvious reason.

  3. Relax... by Gordo_1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's just the President's Russian friends making sure he's safe from Obama's wiretaps.

    1. Re:Relax... by currently_awake · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's probably just the local police trying out their stingrays. You need to experiment a bit to learn how to intercept phone calls without a warrant.

    2. Re:Relax... by geekmux · · Score: 1

      It's probably just the local police trying out their stingrays. You need to experiment a bit to learn how to intercept phone calls without a warrant.

      Experiment? Yeah right.

      The People no longer give a shit about privacy, security, or their Rights, so exactly zero education or experimentation is required in order for law enforcement to understand just how far above the law they are today.

      If the situation were otherwise, the entire IMSI-catching product line would have been shut down by now.

    3. Re:Relax... by fermion · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is much simpler. Trump uses an unsecured easily hacked phone, so every spy agency on the planet is monitoring it. Which is a stupid waste of money as all they need is a twitter feed, a tv, and a membership at his golf course because he tweet everything he thinks, he releases classified information on tv, and public ally classified information during dinner on his every weekend vacation.

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    4. Re:Relax... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Refreshing to have a President who does what he says, instead of the nobama snake that spoke well but fucked over the entire world (destroying Syria, starting Muslim brotherhood/ISIS, antagonizing Russia, raping the Constitution (see Snowden/wikileaks), Fast and Furious, nobama care, etc etc et-fucking-c.)

    5. Re:Relax... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I thought Trump was going to get into WW3 with Russia. It's hard keeping up with the lefties conspiracy theories these days.

    6. Re: Relax... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you crush up and snort your opioids while masturbating to Fox News or do you inject them? Did you drop ou of high school for the fun of it or did you knock up your sister?

    7. Re:Relax... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is indeed hard to keep up with all the leftist conspiracy theories Trump keeps pushing out, but keep trying! MAGA!

    8. Re: Relax... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just finished my postdoc, and got a tenure-track position. Also ought a cool new laser for my startup. How about you?
      MAGA!

    9. Re:Relax... by bughunter · · Score: 1

      Nahh. I think it's the NSA trolling Trump into tweeting more insane shit at 5am.

      Just wait...

      Oh, look at the time.

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    10. Re:Relax... by gtall · · Score: 1

      Nah, by now the foreign countries realize that Trump is a one shtick pony. He has no nuance, no behind the scenes strategy and very little above the scenes. He's got the attention span of a gnat so there can be no behind the scenes strategy. In that environment, bugging his communications is pointless. He'll just respond immediately to crises or issues that develop. And his responses will have little to do with what he's said in the past and are likely to contradict any previous decisions.

      Oh, and to get on his good side, just butter him up, he's too dim to realize when he's being played.

    11. Re:Relax... by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      Nah, by now the foreign countries realize [etc]

      "By now"? Everything- and I do mean absolutely everything- you said above should have been obvious to any individual paying the remotest bit of attention long *before* he was elected.

      The only "surprise" is that he didn't fulfil the (much) more-in-hope-than-expectation belief some people had that this might not be the case when he became president. That- contrary to the evidence- someone who had made it through his entire life to the age of 70 while still acting like a spoilt 8-year-old bully, who was clearly unsuited to the position (and who probably hadn't expected to get as far as he did when he first announced he was running) might suddenly grow out of all that. Yeah, right.

      I don't know whether he's too "dim" in the conventional sense to know whether he's being played, or- more likely- it's down to his pathological narcissism. It was obvious long before the election that his behaviour towards anyone was a directly tied to how much flattery was applied. He'd roll over and let anyone who transparently flattered him tickle his belly (e.g. the Putin lovefest), while anyone remotely critical (e.g. fellow Americans) was attacked with the lowest and cheapest insults. It's also obvious that someone so susceptible to manipulation in a position of power is a threat to world security.

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    12. Re:Relax... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the lefties conspiracy theory was that trump is Putin's Bitch.
      I thought the righties conspiracy theory was that the lefties want a nuclear war with Russia.

    13. Re:Relax... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Refreshing to have a President who does what he says, instead of the nobama snake that spoke well but fucked over the entire world (destroying Syria, starting Muslim brotherhood/ISIS, antagonizing Russia, raping the Constitution (see Snowden/wikileaks), Fast and Furious, nobama care, etc etc et-fucking-c.)

      Lol you're still defending trump. Now that he's proven himself shittier than even most of his election time detractors could have imagined, you've resorted to complaining about Obama instead of offering some evidence of trump's competency.

      Why don't you bring up Grover Cleveland.. another FAILURE DEMOCRAT. With his failed Dawes Act. Not to mention his sham marriage to a girl barely old enough to drink while in office!! Clearly the man is a homosexual hiding behind a poor naive girl!!!

    14. Re: Relax... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you crush up and snort your opioids while masturbating to Fox News or do you inject them? Did you drop ou of high school for the fun of it or did you knock up your sister?

      Oxys are all made of gummy stuff now so he can't snort them. Put the word out that if you freeze them they'll crush up just fine.

      "Real facts for trump voters"

    15. Re:Relax... by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      Don't need to worry about Obummer anymore. He's in hiding after the lady michelle was busted. Just google it. It's the Yuge story that the press isn't saying a word about.

    16. Re:Relax... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alternative facts, buddy.
      Alternative, because you never get to see them, or anything at all not pushed by the the main-stream media.
      E.g. Trump people are stupid because "microwave ovens are bugged," but no mention of the 17 Obama unconstitutional spying-on-Americans programs (see Snowden).

      I am glad that CNN "gotcha" tactics start lose their power, and even hardened liberals are waking up. They realize how the MSM can pick one obscure statement, and use it dismiss solid facts...
      Liberal media: the fourth estate transformed into the fifth column!

    17. Re: Relax... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And like most Trump supporters, you are an anonymous coward. Easy to lie when no one knows you are French.

    18. Re: Relax... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump was hoping to get into WW3 with Russia... On the same side.

      Everyone else was trying to avoid it.

    19. Re:Relax... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhh...
      "destroying Syria" - that was the "Arab spring", which was started by - wait for it - Wikileaks.
      "starting Muslim brotherhood/ISIS" - the Muslim Brotherhood, as a political organization, was formed in 1928. ISIS was a predictable (and widely predicted) result of removing Saddam from Iraq, exacerbated by the war in Syria.
      "antagonizing Russia" - for fuck's sake, Russia has outright invaded two of its neighbors in the past ten years, and has been shit-stirring across the whole western world. We tried being nice to them. Turns out Putin isn't nice.
      "Snowden/wikileaks" - both revealed things that had been going on since at least the Bush administration. Probably longer.
      "Fast and furious" - also started under Bush.
      "obamacare" - yes it's a stupid scheme, it was based on a Republican program in a vain effort to get Republicans to vote for it.

      Look, there's plenty of things you can criticize Obama for. But this list is bullshit.

    20. Re:Relax... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was the left that was trying to start WW3, everyone else was trying to defuse it.

    21. Re:Relax... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Squirm anti-Trump retards! SQUIRM!

      FEED ME!

    22. Re: Relax... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mais oui, mon ami.
      Have to stay anonymous: liberals are ruthless and go for the throat of anyone who dares to voice an alternative opinion. Therefore, in public I never say Obama should be in jail on death row for wiping his ass with the Constitution...

    23. Re:Relax... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He has no nuance, no behind the scenes strategy and very little above the scenes.

      Oh, and to get on his good side, just butter him up, he's too dim to realize when he's being played

      You mean like how he stitched up the press into 'leaking' his tax details, for example?

      Trump is far craftier than you give him credit for. It's dangerous to keep burying your head in the sand like that as you continue to play right into his hands.

    24. Re: Relax... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever had an independent thought in your life?

    25. Re:Relax... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its probably just lobbyists making sure their bill gets passed and digging for dirt on opposition politician and lobbyists. Nothing to see here move along.

  4. The US government by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 3, Insightful

    is the preeminent spying, wiretapping, snooping, eavesdropping entity on Earth. Hell, we invented most of it. We should be proud that our snoopiness is so great that everyone wants to imitate us. What could possibly go wrong?

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    1. Re:The US government by mbkennel · · Score: 1

      No, the UK and Russia/USSR were better at spying and wiretapping for a long time. Russia has as good hackers as US and much better human intelligence, and no (long-lived) defectors.

    2. Re:The US government by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 0

      citation please

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    3. Re: The US government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sigh. Fine. [Citation needed]. Happy? No one but you cares.

    4. Re: The US government by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 1, Troll

      Thanks, that's great. I now accept your unsubstantiated claims without reservation. Mission Accomplished!

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    5. Re: The US government by johnsie · · Score: 2

      The UK government were 'wiretapping' Germans in WW2 and cracked their encryption. They then spent a lot of time bugging the IRA. More recently they have foiled a large number of Islamic and Irish dissident plots thanks to various forms of wiretapping. However when it comes to wiretapping Israel are the top dog. Israeli companies write the software that controls US phone networks and have been caught spying on Americans many times. It usually gets brushed under the table. Google "Fox News Israeli Spying On US" to hear it from a network that would normally be very supportive of Israel.

    6. Re:The US government by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Lots of competent players. This sounds like cowboys...stingrays work, buy LOTS of stingrays. Look to the local or state police, political party, large corporation etc.

      Also look to someone smarter, tripping 'them' up so they show on RF power bills at the towers.

      I hope there is someway to fuck with a stingray and make it go 10kW until it melts on 'them'. Not likely, experts at such remote RF fuckery work for the stingray guys.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    7. Re:The US government by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      What happens when two 'stingrays' or similar try to intercept the same channel, in the same cellular space, at the same time?

      Could this be two, half competent bunch of clowns, running around DC trying to drown each other out with fake cell towers?

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    8. Re:The US government by bughunter · · Score: 1

      And people still use Kaspersky. LOL

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    9. Re: The US government by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 1

      I was referring to the modern "collect it all" spying, not cracking the Enigma. It is a US invention.

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    10. Re: The US government by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      ...is the preeminent spying, wiretapping, snooping, eavesdropping entity on Earth. Hell, we invented most of it.

      The Vatican invented most of it centuries ago, when it was still analog... and not electronic. Rest assured, it was still sigint.

    11. Re: The US government by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 1

      The "collect it all" technology is purely American in origin. We put the "5 eyes" team together. We built the infrastructure for it. That had nothing to do with the Vatican. You can pretend otherwise, but you are only fooling yourself.

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    12. Re: The US government by doomday · · Score: 1

      Well except that the US thought they invented most of it though often they copied it from the British then over time improved and extended it.

    13. Re: The US government by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 1

      So we just copied what Britain had already done? Don't think so. Who first put major taps into the communications systems in order to "collect it all"?

      https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying

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    14. Re: The US government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great! And now for the citations supporting your opposition to the OP's assertion?

    15. Re: The US government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The person making the claims must provide the evidence.

  5. from 2014 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.popsci.com/article/technology/mysterious-phony-cell-towers-could-be-intercepting-your-calls

    Late to the party guys?

    1. Re:from 2014 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, this is since January 18, 2017 - completely different event.

  6. I'm shocked!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Every country on earth, barring North Korea has an embassy within pissing distance of the White House and Capitol and CBS "discovers" there's espionage. What grade did these people graduate from?

    I'm shocked to find out this is going on in this establishment.

    1. Re:I'm shocked!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every country on earth *INCLUDING* North Korea were neither the ones doing the spying nor the ones being spied upon.

      What then was there for them to discover?

    2. Re:I'm shocked!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CBS didn't discover it. A company called ESD America which manufactures IMSI catcher detection equipment did. It's same company that reported the "interceptor towers" around the White House and Senate in 2014 to the press and to the FCC. What happened then in 2014 is not clear as to whether an investigation ensued, but the later company did secure a DHS contract to run a pilot program called, "ESD Overwatch". It's this program which again happened to detect IMSI catchers on the cell network. In a city like Washington DC which has detectors and sensors everywhere to pick up bioweapon, radiation, explosive traces and who knows what else, it seems a bit of an oversight that the US government doesn't have some sort detection built-in to the network, so I'm curious as to why it needs to contract out to a company who just happens find the very things that their products are designed to detect.

    3. Re:I'm shocked!! by bughunter · · Score: 1

      Here's your winnings sir.

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    4. Re: I'm shocked!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The govt contracts out everything. They don't do anything in-house except waste money. They're experts at that.

    5. Re:I'm shocked!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the synopsis it says the dept of homeland security shared the info with CBS. One would assume that homeland security already knew the typical patterns of cell phone use in the DC area. Apparently we can't assume you have reading comprehension.

  7. this looks like CIA propaganda by strstr · · Score: 1, Insightful

    the united states already has secretly deployments of armorments preventing these types of attacks. the attacks are thus normally conducted by the United States itself, sometimes in cooperation with foreign nations, or the government allows the attacks to occur.

    Signals Intelligence is secretly scanning us all from space, giving us electron spin resonance scans.

    There's no attack we aren't prepared for.

    Why is this in the media? To spread false fear onto the population.

    https://www.drrobertduncan.com...

  8. Triangulation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Triangulation isn't that hard any more. Not finding the source is a red flag. I would wonder if this was leaked to the news get a certain reaction.

    You know. We can't keep you safe without another 10 billion.

  9. "Adversary" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    [W]e suspect that most Americans simply have no idea how easy it is for a relatively sophisticated adversary to track their movements, tap their calls, and hack their smartphones.

    For that matter, most Americans simply have no idea how easy it is for their government to do the exact same thing, without so much as requesting a court order.

    Part of the reason for this, of course, is that the government agents in question are contractually obligated to lie to courts about such activities, and they apparently take their contracts with their hardware providers more seriously than their oaths to uphold the law.

    It's a very special kind of hypocrite who can lament the very ignorance they fought to ensure.

    1. Re:"Adversary" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most Americans simply have no idea how easy it is to mistake an adversary for their government or vice-versa.

      Part of the reason for this, of course, is that they're now both the same thing.

  10. Nothing to worry about by Required+Snark · · Score: 0
    We're going to be safe as soon as we build Trump's $4 billion or $24 billion or $??? billion wall.

    Nothing to see here, move along.

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    1. Re: Nothing to worry about by Oyjord · · Score: 1

      Who cares how much it costs; Mexico is gonna pay for it, remember?!

      Oh, wait....

    2. Re: Nothing to worry about by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      It'll be built by Mexican contractors whom Trump will stiff when it comes time to pay them.

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    3. Re: Nothing to worry about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Business as usual my friend

    4. Re: Nothing to worry about by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Ja, precis.

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    5. Re:Nothing to worry about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It might actually be meant to keep us in.

  11. WHAT A COINCIDENCE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > An unusually high amount of suspicious cell phone activity in the nation's capital has caught the attention of the Department of Homeland Security, raising concerns that U.S. officials are being monitored by a foreign entity

    and

    > The news coincides with a letter sent to the DHS by two congressmen "deeply concerned" about vulnerabilities in the SS7 protocol underlying U.S. cellular networks

    WHAT A COINCIDENCE! I am sure that the two events are completely independent! Certainly that there is no way that this is a false flag to push whatever legislative changes through that they want to push through! Certainly the CIA and the NSA would never do such things to get their way!

    Do they have such a low opinion of the public that they think that this is not completely transparent?

    1. Re:WHAT A COINCIDENCE! by skids · · Score: 1

      Stop wasting aluminum foil on hats, please. It takes a lot of energy to produce.

    2. Re: WHAT A COINCIDENCE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn straight! Tin foil or bust!

  12. Contradiction by rfengr · · Score: 1

    TFA says the exploit can be used remotely "thousands of miles away". So which is it? Local or remote? The article contradicts itself.

  13. Heard it before and will probably hear it again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    circa 2014:
    ‘Interceptor’ cellphone towers found near White House, Senate

    By Douglas Ernst - The Washington Times - Thursday, September 18, 2014

    Mysterious “interceptor” cellphone towers that can listen in someone’s phone call despite not being part of any phone networks have turned up near the White House and Senate.

    A company that specializes in selling secure mobile phones discovered the existence of several of the towers in and around the nation’s capitol.

    “It’s highly unlikely that federal law enforcement would be using mobile interceptors near the Senate,” ESD America CEO Les Goldsmith told the technology website Venture Beat on Thursday. ...
    Goldsmith told the site he passed along the information he’d uncovered to the Federal Communications Commission.

    Hmmm...

  14. Might Just Be Trump Propaganda by BrendaEM · · Score: 0

    Trump is in a position where he needs to prove his wiretapping claim--and fast.

    I find the timing in which the CIA was hacked, very interesting as well.

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    1. Re:Might Just Be Trump Propaganda by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      Trump is in a position where he needs to prove his wiretapping claim--and fast.

      Why? His campaign was built on lies which people willingly believed. I don't see how adding one more to the pile makes the slightest bit of difference.

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    2. Re:Might Just Be Trump Propaganda by gtall · · Score: 1

      Trump doesn't feel the need to prove his wiretapping claims. He's already trotted out his alibi, it was those naughty people at Fox, shame on them for reporting something that would be picked up and amplified by Trump and his poodles.

      Actually, Trump doesn't feel the need to prove anything. His entire life is a lie, it's all he knows. By now, his staff is realizing he's been lying to them as well, it is who he is.

  15. Is this worse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Than getting caught by your mom?

  16. Nope. Trump was wrong again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Cellphones don't have wires to tapp.

    1. Re:Nope. Trump was wrong again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But microwave ovens do.

    2. Re: Nope. Trump was wrong again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea haha that baby boomer used a term from when he was younger instead of the term that became correct in intel circles a decade ago omg how cray

    3. Re:Nope. Trump was wrong again. by davester666 · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, they don't. Microwave ovens have video cameras. Toasters are for wiretapping. Duh. You can even see the wires when you look inside the slots.

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      Sleep your way to a whiter smile...date a dentist!
    4. Re: Nope. Trump was wrong again. by KylePhillips8102 · · Score: 0, Troll

      Notice how even their insults are half assed and almost as bland and unfunny as a bowl of grapenuts? It is because Fox News doesn't include "witty retorts and hurtful jabs" in its talking points. When forced to create anything on their own accord you will inevitably get just the dumbest shit you can imagine. Thus 'snowflake'.

    5. Re: Nope. Trump was wrong again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cuck, that is the term de jour

    6. Re: Nope. Trump was wrong again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you mean for those words to come out in that order, or did they just fall out randomly?

    7. Re: Nope. Trump was wrong again. by ebvwfbw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The left has an easy format:
      If (what you said I don't like) then
          if (try (calling them a racist)):
            works: Done. You silenced them and don't have to actually discuss the topic that you know you'll lose because you're wrong.
            Doesn't work:
                  If (try (calling them a bigot)): .... same for fascist, nazi, etc, then:
                            try (Smashing windows, burning cars):
                                Get your ass kicked good. Put into jail for a decade or so.

      OTOH, just call them a snowflake. Used to call them sheep, ... and so on or Democrats. Democrats are so gullible. So gullible that they have to pass laws to protect them from their own stupidity. Even in commerce - caution coffee is hot. These peanuts contain peanuts. Should just remove all the warning labels and let evolution work.

    8. Re: Nope. Trump was wrong again. by valdezjuan · · Score: 3, Informative

      For the record, no new laws were passed as a result of Liebeck v McDonalds and while she was awarded $2.9 million by the jury, the Jude reduced it to $480,000 which was settled later (after the verdict) for a lower amount. I know it's great to talk shit about this case, after all she was the passenger in a parked car that didn't have cup holders (old ford probe) and the temperate was one that would cause full-thickness burns in 2-7 seconds (of course with her adanced knowledge of thermodynamics & physiology, she should have known sweats were not the proper clothing). What I find sad, is that she originally tried to ask for $20k which would have covered the 8 days in the hospital and the loss of income her daughter received for staying with her for a week.

      Perhaps, as you might have outed yourself as a snowflake, you might want to research and look at facts. I know, facts aren't currently a priority of this country (if you are American, which I don't know because of, well, facts) and they are seldom cool on the internet (unless you actually work with the technology that runs it, then facts are everything) but for your own education, you might want to look into things. It's outstanding what can be learned if one tries.

    9. Re: Nope. Trump was wrong again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I here pulling toast out with a fork keeps them from bioscanning you.

    10. Re: Nope. Trump was wrong again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An ear is here to hear.

    11. Re: Nope. Trump was wrong again. by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      Since you snowflakes lack the power to correct Trumps lies (Wiretapped Trump Tower is not "listened to cell phone chatter") all you have left is...lies, like your Fueher

    12. Re: Nope. Trump was wrong again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey Jude, don't make it bad
      Take a sad song and make it better
      Remember to let her into your heart

      Then you can start to make it better

    13. Re:Nope. Trump was wrong again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Microwave ovens do generate microwaves. Using the waves, we can:

      Don't be so naive.

    14. Re: Nope. Trump was wrong again. by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      Valdezjuan, What in the world are you talking about and how does it have anything to do with my post, or the original subject? Maybe you pasted a response into the wrong reply window?

      BTW, I'm certainly not a snowflake. I've worked really hard for everything I have and I have balls. I get things done. Facts are very much a priority in the US and that's a problem because the old people in power are losing it back to the people and they really don't like that. Think I'm wrong? Look up the vessel "Lady Michelle". Just try to find that really big story in any of the main stream media rags. I think a Brit paper has it. The world is under siege. Certainly all of Europe, America. The rest of the world isn't that big of a deal after that.

    15. Re: Nope. Trump was wrong again. by ebvwfbw · · Score: 0

      You proved my point.

      First of all, he's not a fueher nor fascist. Fascism is on the left, not the right. Learn your history. Secondly, Mr. Trump said Wiretapped and he put it in quotes. It's still on his twitter if you don't believe me. That means wiretap type of a technology, not that it was a 1950s type wiretap.

      You seem to think you're a smart guy. I know you've been indoctrinated that nothing is true from anything other than the NY Times, Washington Post, etc. Ok, here's an article for you - https://www.nytimes.com/2017/0... . Look about half way down, what does it say? General Flynn was wiretapped, and he was in Trump Tower when it happened. We know this.

      Here is a snippet - The White House had examined a transcript of a wiretapped conversation that Mr. Flynn had with Mr. Kislyak in December, according to administration officials. Mr. Flynn originally told Mr. Pence and others that the call was limited to small talk and holiday pleasantries.

      So now what do you do? If you're smart, you'll respond and admit you were wrong. He was wiretapped.

      BTW at the end of the day Trump has been mostly right about what he's said. He's not who I would have wanted to be in the WH, however he'll certainly do. Far, far, far, far better than Hillary.

    16. Re:Nope. Trump was wrong again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh no! Not the waves!

      All methods you describe utilise WiFi, which shares the same frequency band and approximate power after shielding as microwave ovens.

      The first problem you have is that WiFi has the distinct advantage of always being on rather than for a few seconds.
      The second problem you have is that it's not the WiFi spying on you, either.

      I understand that using the waves from the sun, spies can see what you're doing.
      According to you, the sun is spying on you.

    17. Re: Nope. Trump was wrong again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Fascism is on the left, not the right. Learn your history.

      Fascism is defined as an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

      Hitler banned communism and socialism, and went on to have socialists and communists executed. Pretty funny thing to do if you're a socialist. He also went on to ban the unions in 1933, which he saw as supporting communism and socialism, had their leaders arrested and money confiscated.

      Some people of extremely limited intellect might think that the "National Socialists" were socialists. In much the same way, their dulled mind might imagine that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democracy, any foodstuff with "Gourmet" in the title is in fact in some way gourment, or that Trump University was in some way an educational estabishment.

    18. Re: Nope. Trump was wrong again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fascism is authoritarian. It isn't necessarilly right or left. The political spectrum isn't one dimensional.

    19. Re: Nope. Trump was wrong again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look about half way down, what does it say? General Flynn was wiretapped, and he was in Trump Tower when it happened. We know this.

      I looked about half way down. It doesn't say any of that. You've literally made stuff up then linked to an article discussing his resignation.
      Pure Trumpery.

    20. Re: Nope. Trump was wrong again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're correct that it isn't necessarily left or right, it may just be that both of these "sides" for those stuck thinking inside the blinkered red/blue system see the worst abuses of the other side in fascism that leads to definitions of it being "the other". However, we do know that fascists are strongly against the traditionally defined "left" - they are anti-Marxist, anti-Socialist, anti-Communist, anti-Anarchist, and anti-Environmentalist. Does this make them part of the traditional right?

      Fascism is hard to tie down, and is far more than just authoritarian. You can have an authoritarian government that is not fascist.

      It's been suggested that there are a set of criteria to match that gives an indication of fascism. What is disturbing is that the government being created by the current POTUS matches any and all of these criteria closely; it is not only correct to identify the current US administration as being fascist, but it is the only definition that works.

    21. Re: Nope. Trump was wrong again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hey, dipshit, post links otherwise you are just spouting lies.

    22. Re: Nope. Trump was wrong again. by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      Right.
      Put people in prison for disputing his falsehoods
      Offer to Pay for the legal expenses to someone who will criminally assault a protester
      Admit more violence is better
      Starve people to pay for more war.
      Belong to the Christian Religion while breaking every rule of same.
      Sorry, that's 4 of the 14, he's a fascist.

    23. Re: Nope. Trump was wrong again. by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      No, Fascism is a rightist movement.
      Communism COULD be leftist, if they ever actually did it

    24. Re: Nope. Trump was wrong again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your post referenced the "Caution - Hot" warning on coffee cup lids. That warning is the result of the Liebeck v. McDonald's lawsuit. That is what it has to do with your post.

    25. Re:Nope. Trump was wrong again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All of the stuff linked above appears to suggest this is our current reality. That we can now automate many computer vision problems, by simply putting devices on the wall.

      Seeing through walls and identifying keystrokes. Think about that if applied in a different scenario. What if everyone room on the planet had one of these and they were all somehow linked. Maybe it knew things about you. We could give it a voice. We would call it by name.

      Seems like an advertising opportunity to be honest.

  17. You are assuming by s.petry · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The NSA has taps on the hardware, but other agencies do not. If people are trying to do things outside of NSA control, they would need to come up with their own taps.

    The US has let security go to shit over the last decade. Foreign workers for "cheap" is a big problem, low moral from shitty treatment by administrations (happened long before Trump so don't bother with the dumbass blame game), corrupt administrators, and of course shit morals at companies executive levels.

    Of course it "could" be a foreign agency, but lets be real. If the other agencies were doing their jobs it would have been caught long before public attention on it.

    --

    -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    1. Re:You are assuming by AHuxley · · Score: 4, Informative

      Could be ex and former staff selling mi/gov grade product to their cult, faith, embassy, other parts of the US gov, the private sector.
      Once the devices got handed out to NATO nations, the different EU nation police forces all their ex and former staff can sell the US product to the private sector.
      The US is now been flooded with its own products as once very secret tech finds its way into every embassy and the private sector.
      Other nations front companies, US dual citizens helping their real nations.
      The UK had the same issues. Some ore gov, mil other are just random efforts by different groups.
      What the UK did can often show what could be in the USA.
      Fake Mobile Phone Towers Operating In The UK (09 June 2015)
      http://news.sky.com/story/fake...
      UK Cops Using Fake Mobile Phone Tower to Intercept Calls, Shut Off Phones (10.31.11)
      https://www.wired.com/2011/10/...
      Fake mobile phone towers discovered in London: Stingrays come to the UK (6/11/2015)
      https://arstechnica.com/tech-p...

      The other US side would be to track US police, city workers to ensure they did not have a task force on any emerging private sector products or services.
      Once a map of every phone in a wide city area was tracked, tracking undercover officials would be easy given a lack of digital counter surveillance training.
      New "staff" or users reporting back into a government building every few days or weeks for a set time would be very easy to map.
      Another aspect would be to counter any journalist trying undercover work. Their origin and return to their place of work would be detected if they ever had two working phones with them. Their undercover story phone and their journalist phone.
      Other tracking could counter bloggers and web 2.0 attempts by citizen journalism to enter political parties or party political fund raising.
      They might make an error with two phones in use. One they used for undercover work in the past, one they use for their blog.
      Lack of cash could see device reuse and very easy tracking.
      Also the meeting of any gov worker, federal official, contractor, mil, political staff with any journalist would be tracked by the mil, gov, party, contractor. A vast database of journalist. A political and private sector version of the NSA's FIRSTFRUIT.
      The Most Intriguing Spy Stories From 166 Internal NSA Reports (May 17 2016)
      https://theintercept.com/2016/...
      “.. over 5,000 insecurity-related records” ranging from “espionage damage assessments” to “liaison exchanges.”
      Someone is not tracking the fake networks for some reason. Political over, mil, police or gov use? Gov workers detect the fake cell products and nothing is done?

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    2. Re:You are assuming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The US has let security go to shit over the last decade. Foreign workers for "cheap" is a big problem, low moral from shitty treatment by administrations (happened long before Trump so don't bother with the dumbass blame game), corrupt administrators, and of course shit morals at companies executive levels.

      Don't forget the criminalization of security testing / research, demands for backdoors in security products for "law enforcement" purposes, further limiting / removing control of the device from it's owner, demands to search devices without a warrant, increased dependance on online services, slaps on the wrist (if anything) for big companies that get hacked, a desire to push to release first and patch later / never, poor minimum standards for programming major students, OCD-ing on code beautification instead of robustness, the public being arrogant and ACCEPTING the idea that the government has (AND SHOULD!) have access to everything they do, etc.

      There's plenty of reasons why the US's security is shit, but it's not just administrators and bureaucrats. It's teachers, students, programmers, judges, law enforcement officers, lawyers, media industry rights holders, QA teams, and above all else, THE GENERAL PUBLIC. They don't care about security. They want it to "Just work". Well it does work, for you and everybody else. No taps needed. So why do they complain or even consider it newsworthy that someone is listening in on cell phone communications? Oh that's right, because they are arrogant and don't care to the point of deluding themselves that anything that they do online or off is safe.

      Captcha: apathy

    3. Re:You are assuming by Woldscum · · Score: 4, Informative

      Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA)

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      FBI through an office in Quantico can directly tap ALL network main switches. The government PAID AT&T and Verizon to upgrade the switches to IP. The FBI added Colo cabinets at the main switch sites. The FBI can wiretap directly WITHOUT interacting with Verizon or AT&T.

    4. Re:You are assuming by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      Which leaves the CIA and DIA for American three letter agencies and everyone else's external intelligence agencies..

    5. Re: You are assuming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All cell tower traffic really goes
      thru land based switches, so
      that would mean some type of
      rouge stingray type of operation
      is going on (not one of TLA16).

  18. Hah! by buss_error · · Score: 0

    I've said it many times, and you can check my history, that if the average American knew how much their cell phone leaked data, they would not only refuse to own one, but refuse to allow them on their property.

    I don't have anything to hide. I don't do anything illegal (that I know of, but look how many laws there are, and I'm sure I break some without knowing it), but the point is that cell phone data is only used to build a case, and only vary rarely does it exonerate someone. It isn't' your friend. It's a snitch, a government informer, that you pay to spy on you.

    Last, we buy these things to make our life more convenient. However, as far as I see, all it does it make it easier for Rachael with Card Services to try to scam you or for others to interrupt you. I think in the years I've owned one (shackled to me for employment, really), I've used it exactly once when I could not have used a VOiP or POTS. (The car broke down and I called for a tow truck.)

    I do have to wonder what's up with these folks in DC. Odd and not a lot of facts yet.

    --
    Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
    1. Re:Hah! by Highdude702 · · Score: 0

      I find it hard to believe that

      I think in the years I've owned one (shackled to me for employment, really)

      You never once used your phone except to call for a tow truck once. No company would pay for a phone for an employee if they were never going to be called on it.

    2. Re:Hah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I've said it many times, and you can check my history, that if the average American knew how much their cell phone leaked data, they would not only refuse to own one, but refuse to allow them on their property.

      This seems to be a common fallacy among computer nerds, that people don't take steps to protect their privacy out of ignorance. Unfortunately, many studies have now shown that people simply don't care. If you ask them, they would prefer to keep private things private. But the value they place on that privacy is really small, to the point that they would give up such info willingly, with full explanation of what they are giving up and that it will be used by others for something (much stricter than the real world where it is more of a risk of being used), for very small tokens of return.

    3. Re:Hah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've never worked for the government! /half jokes

    4. Re:Hah! by gtall · · Score: 1

      Wow!! And you say you've told us this before? I'm impressed.

    5. Re:Hah! by buss_error · · Score: 1

      You never once used your phone except to call for a tow truck once.
      Not what I said. I said: I've used it exactly once when I could not have used a VOiP or POTS.

      --
      Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
  19. .. relatively sophisticated adversary ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    United States of America

    --
    It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
  20. Re:It's Putin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why can't we have a hawt prez like Putin? Can you imagine a shirtless Trump shooting a cheetah from a hang glider? Brrrrrr!!!

  21. "foreign" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So they're saying that based on the type of technology that's being used it's foreign. ...But they don't say what that is.
    They go on to mention some warning about SS7, which indeed is vulnerable, but fail to correlate the mention with it being the "tech that's being used".
    Seems far far more likely this is just the US spying apparatus doing it's thing and deflecting blame onto those scary Russians we've all been conditioned to blame.
    I'm so tired of this. Our propaganda laws were repealed and I don't trust any government to act in good faith concerning propaganda, including ours.
    We have to be exactly this critical with every news story that comes across. We HAVE to split hairs now, that's where the lies are. When I see a bunch of circumstance and non-sequitur being used as valid information we're being told to draw an opinion on it screams of this exact abuse that we're now open to legally.

  22. Totally meaningless "news". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First they do not have any idea where SS7 is used in the Wireless Infrastructure. Hint it has nothing to do with cells. Second what is this suspicious activity?

    Looks like it is just conmen trying to get money from the taxpayers and congressmen who as lawyers are totally clueless about technology and have no common sense trying to show how interested in current issues they are for their equally stupid electorate. And all journalists are experts in everything while knowing nothing.

  23. The pun by Gaby+de+Wilde · · Score: 1

    How dare you criticize Israel! You are not even Jewish!

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    gdewilde@gmail.com
    1. Re:The pun by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      That's not a pun, you moron.

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    2. Re:The pun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes it is, dipshit.

  24. Heh, "they" have a Stingray by Snotnose · · Score: 1

    Now "we're" totally fucked. Everyone panic!

    1. Re:Heh, "they" have a Stingray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Niieece.. http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette-stingray.html

  25. Fucking naive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I find it fucking hilarious that stingray technology is even allowed and encryption technology isn't increased, because Russia.

    Allow weeknesses to exist, expect them to be exploited by the darkness.

  26. Of course!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's common knowledge trump uses an unsecured android phone, probably because the secure one doesn't have twitter access. He's just begging to be spied upon.

  27. Re: This is why the travel ban is needed by Oyjord · · Score: 1

    Posted like a true Anonymous Coward.

  28. Re:FAKE NEWS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whoops... suggesting right wing mouthpieces are biased on Slaltrightdot will get you downmodded, should've known better.

  29. It's the FBI using.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stingray phone tracker.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stingray_phone_tracker   Inter-agency communication has hit an all time low guys.  DHS should have asked the FBI first.

  30. All communication is monitored by rho · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There is literally no way you can communicate with another person where you can be assured that your communication is not monitored. Even face-to-face communication in code is compromised, if the other party is compromised. Cell phones only work by collecting a lot of data about the caller and the caller's recipient. If CBS is only now figuring out that D.C. is a hotbed of cell data leakage, they are fantastically bad at their jobs.

    --
    Potato chips are a by-yourself food.
    1. Re:All communication is monitored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about CNN, are they good? All the networks are just whores for ads...totally worthless at journalism. Look at the recent Rachel Maddow stunt.

    2. Re: All communication is monitored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh fuck you.

      "You can always be spyed on, technically speaking, so why bother protecting anything?"

      Defeatism Shilling won't work on /.

    3. Re:All communication is monitored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HAHAHA!!!
      Sure, try to blame it on russians or foreign influence. LOL fucking LOL.
      You stupid mericans own govt and corps listen in on and record all your fucking calls.
      They use it to get a leg up on what youre thinking and message control you with media.
      More cable tv, more soda pop, more cars, more happy shit.
      More taxes. More control over you. More sheeple you become.
      Wake up you dumb fucks.
      Wake up.

    4. Re:All communication is monitored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This news feels like a propaganda piece because it's so out of the blue and w/o context.  Let's see, the entire article is speculation w/o facts using words like, 'could be'. and it only references another site that I have never heard of.  FAKE NEWS.

    5. Re:All communication is monitored by skids · · Score: 2

      CBS reported on the recent snowstorm. By your logic, "If CBS is only now figuring out that it snows in winter, they are fantastically bad at their jobs."

      Just because it isn't new to you doesn't mean it isn't news.

    6. Re:All communication is monitored by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Even face-to-face communication in code is compromised, if the other party is compromised.

      You say this as if it is a new thing, and hasn't always been true.

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    7. Re:All communication is monitored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two can keep a secret if one of them is dead, is not the same problem as third party monitoring. I conduct private unassailable conversations on a daily basis. Not only can you not track them, you can't subpoena me either (like some tard from Justice recently said they could) because you don't even know they exist. Did I have a private conversation about Trump the clown? Or was it Trump the hater? Or was it Obama? Hard to ask for something you don't know exists. Even harder when it doesn't.

    8. Re:All communication is monitored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Again the Dept of homeland Security shared this info with CBS. Homeland security says it is unusual activity. That implies that "usual" activity was already established.

      Who keeps modding up these idiots who can't even properly troll a Slashdot post?

  31. All Chinese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's the Chinese, duh. They make all the equipment. They have all the contracts. Hell, they own the buildings the FBI and CIA work out of. If you don't think the US is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Chinese government, you're an idiot.

    1. Re: All Chinese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it's GCHQ and Trump was right. Or anyone else who might be interested in the leaky phones of hundreds of clueless Trump recruits who don't consult the experts but instead form their own insular and competing cliques. Will the torrent of leaks from inside the administration lessen now?

  32. ummmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they should probably be looking at one of the 17 US intelligence agencies.

  33. I think I know what it is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's people playing Pokemon Go

  34. RUN AND HIDE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obama's still wiretapping Trump's from his secret hideaway high atop muslim mountain deep in the jungles of central park. He's listening and laughing to every dirty little secret Trump has. Later he'll post them to twitter for all to see.

  35. We wouldn't know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If this was being done by the US government or it's TLA's. Or would we?

    1. Re:We wouldn't know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Replying to my earlier comment. I mean couldn't this be you spying on yourselves and not telling yourselves? Or maybe everyone else is an amateur?

  36. Nothing To Worry About by nick_davison · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's not like America's Commander In Chief would be stupid enough to refuse a secure cell phone just so he can continue his 3am Twitter on the shitter regimen.

    Oh god. We're all doomed.

  37. Suspicious activity found in Washington DC by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    File this under, "no shit, Sherlock". I mean, has anyone gotten a load of the White House staff lately? We had a registered agent of a foreign government receiving national security briefings and holding the post of National Security Advisor before he was thrown to the wolves for being too obvious.

    The president just signed a license deal to use his name on a string of Chinese brothels. I mean, what the fuck? I miss the days when the worst thing a president did was get a blowjob from a 20 year old and lie about it.

    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/07...

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/0...

    --
    You are welcome on my lawn.
    1. Re:Suspicious activity found in Washington DC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go home Bannon, you're drunk.

    2. Re:Suspicious activity found in Washington DC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Sure thing, buddy. If there's thing honest, upright, totally Christian (hey Rev. Wright) patriotic American presidents always do, it's try to sneak 200 million dollars to Palestine on the last day of office.

    3. Re:Suspicious activity found in Washington DC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are a fucktard

  38. Cat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Excuse me nice gentlemen. I don't mean to interrupt but, I've been searching news articles to my cat. Have you seen my cat?

    1. Re: Cat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes.

  39. Re:This is why the travel ban is needed by skids · · Score: 1

    Except there's really been no word on improving the vetting, and no actual behavior by the white house that would indicate any real desire to fulfill an urgent security need, just the normal behavior you'd expect from a white house trying to make headlines for political gain -- up to and including delaying action so as not to step on news coverage of Trump's congressional address.

    And no intelligence agency asked for the ban, and when the white house tried to get them to say good things about it, they pretty much called it ineffective and counterproductive.

    So the travel ban is pretty clearly a fraud, just political red meat for the easily deceived.

    Also, the countries most likely to tap wireless services aren't subject to the ban, nor are they especially Muslim.

  40. Feed his babies by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    We all know Obama is doing this. Just waiting for Trump to figure this out, and regurgitate it back out to Twitter to feed his babies.

    1. Re:Feed his babies by gtall · · Score: 1

      I wonder how long Trump can continue to blame Obama. I suppose the right wingnuts will never lose their fear of Obama. For a crowd that claims to be about he-boy More Power, the right wingnuts act like a bunch of "girly-men" at the slightest threat.

  41. Re:This is why the travel ban is needed by gtall · · Score: 1

    Yep, let's keep America safe....like selling guns to everyone and anyone. They killed roughly 33,000 Americans per year. Now them thar terrorists, you must be a real loser to get killed by one of them terrorists. Stand yer ground, kill that neighborhood teenager who trespasses on your sacred ground.

  42. Re: FAKE NEWS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me guess, you're one of the idiots who was upset about Obamas continued wiretapping of the entire world, blamed Bush for Obamas executive decisions, but the second Trump claimed wiretapping, immediately took a retarded hard left through the fence, into the ditch and are now claiming that there is no wiretapping at all.

  43. When the gig is up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    make sure you start to blame a foreign nation well before it all hits the news. In this case, obviously it will be blamed on Russia, to make sure you keep the American population's anger targetted at something.

  44. Horrible times to be a spy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It must be horrible to be a foreign spy these days. Risking your life, working with the latest technology that only the brights engineers understand, only to spy on Trumps communication. And then again risking your life while using the latest technology to try to communicate the stolen information back to the mother country only to hear "We already knew that, we read it on Twitter this morning".

  45. Long time problem at DC area airports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The reason your cell phone dies so quickly at DC area airports is because there are so many governments and US agencies playing spy with their cell phone spy tools.

  46. Can't be China or Russia by k6mfw · · Score: 1

    because all gear is made in China that has backdoors connected to systems in China. No need to tap or intercept guvmint comms because Russia already has interactions with high level people appointed by Trump.

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    mfwright@batnet.com
  47. Years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has been going on for years.

    When I worked at FDIC, my phone often geolocated at the pentagon, which was miles away. This location was precise, not vague.

  48. Hacker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  49. Bad and sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cut it out, Obama!

  50. There is still a russian EM boat on east coast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The boats been spotted several time and was travelling between delware and florida. Mystery solved. NEXT PLEASE

  51. Re:Probably Israel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump claimed there were arabs dancing after the 9/11 attack. Actually were a group of isrealis with a moving van celebrating and taking pictures of the attack. Just before the attack a warning was given to an isreali messaging company Odigo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odigo_Messenger
    It also seems that Isrealis are in bed with the Saudis for some reason (investments?).