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Over 14K 'Let's Encrypt' SSL Certificates Issued To PayPal Phishing Sites (bleepingcomputer.com)
BleepingComputer reports:
During the past year, Let's Encrypt has issued a total of 15,270 SSL certificates that contained the word 'PayPal' in the domain name or the certificate identity. Of these, approximately 14,766 (96.7%) were issued for domains that hosted phishing sites, according to an analysis carried out on a small sample of 1,000 domains, by Vincent Lynch, encryption expert for The SSL Store... Lynch, who points out the abuse of Let's Encrypt's infrastructure, doesn't blame the Certificate Authority (CA), but nevertheless, points out that other CAs have issued a combined number of 461 SSL certificates containing the term "PayPal" in the certificate information, which were later used for phishing attacks... Phishers don't target these CAs because they're commercial services, but also because they know these organizations will refuse to issue certificates for certain hot terms, like "PayPal," for example. Back in 2015, Let's Encrypt made it clear in a blog post it doesn't intend to become the Internet's HTTPS watchdog.
Of course, some web browsers don't even check whether a certificate has been revoked. An anonymous reader writes: Browser makers are also to blame, along with "security experts" who tell people HTTPS is "secure," when they should point out HTTPS means "encrypted communication channel," and not necessarily that the destination website is secure.
Of course, some web browsers don't even check whether a certificate has been revoked. An anonymous reader writes: Browser makers are also to blame, along with "security experts" who tell people HTTPS is "secure," when they should point out HTTPS means "encrypted communication channel," and not necessarily that the destination website is secure.
they are changing the name to "Let's Phish"
The fight against phishing and malware content is an important one, but it does not make sense for CAs to be on the front lines
but thats just it. prior to you, people had a barrier to entry. phishing sites needed to pay money to play in the https realm or hire someone smart enough to exploit an https protected site. your service removed both of those barriers and now allows dangerous sites to quickly and easily bypass an entire host of browser security checks designed to prevent people from entering bank card information and personal data into an unprotected site. That "lock" icon in the address bar is generally enough to convince people that what theyre doing with their Visa is sane. now, with letsencrypt, its not so certain.
.info and .biz of the internet.
if you're not going to at least police fraud or abuse, youre opening the service up to become a haven for quick and easy phishing sites. if you ignore this now, you might as well pack up and leave. Chrome and Firefox will not hesitate to lower their trust in your service if it turns into the
Good people go to bed earlier.
Right. The point of these certs is to verify that a secure connection to the site in question has been established and there is no man-in-the-middle or DNS hijack or proxy etc. It is not to verify the identity of the site in question.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
How on Earth would a non IT person "verify the legitimacy of emails and websites?"
Let's say, you entered paypal in Google and miraculously the second link leads to paypall.com (such a SEO "optimization" is entirely possible if your have enough resources) which is the exact same copy of paypal.com, which siphons your log in credentials. How would you know paypall.com is not PayPal? Extended validation is still better than nothing.
HTTPS was a badly realized afterthought and it bites people all the time. I wonder if this problem can be solved at all. There are way too many things you have to blindly trust when you're using the Internet: several layers of routing, DNS, SSL, etc. etc. etc. 99% of people in the world have no idea how this all works and how you can be sure you're safe. Then even your OS is not exactly without bugs and security vulnerabilities which allow the attacker to hijack your connection. Then you have various three/four letter agencies around the world who have ways of getting into your computer systems without you knowing.
"Verify", my arse.
This story shows the fundamental flaw of the TLS CA infrastructure: it only certifies that the connection is established with the reported DNS domain name. That is not utterly useless, but not far from it.
The protection against man-in-the-middle attack is relevant only in a handful of cases. With home Internet access, MitM can more or less only be performed by network operators, who have a lot to lose if they are caught playing these games. It is more of an issue with public access, but still rather minor.
What would be really useful would be CA that certify the honesty of the sites. “If you see our green padlock, that means this site is reliable. If they scam you, we will refund you.”
I will not hold my breath.
"there is no man-in-the-middle or DNS hijack or proxy etc. It is not to verify the identity "
If the identity of the endpoint can't be verified, exactly how is it that MITM is prevented? Are MITM sites required to set the Evil Bit?
"National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
Sorry, that wasn't very clear. It is to identify that the server is the server it claims to be, but does nothing to verify the identity of the person running the server.
For example, Let's Encrypt will check that the person getting the certificate really does control www.paypall-secure-login.com, but not that they are actually PayPal Inc. The point is to allow a visitor to establish a secure connection with the server, not to check that the web page served up is not misleading.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
(... because I'm sure they read /. and value my opinion... )
1. NEVER hide ANY part of the URL. If the URL extends beyond the size of the location box, give a nice big '...' for people to click on to see it.
2. ALWAYS show a status bar that ALWAYS shows what URL I'll go to if I click a link. NEVER allow ANYTHING to change this behavior.
3. NEVER hide the protocol.
4. Don't allow 'data' URIs in the URL bar by default. https://www.wordfence.com/blog... (This also relates to #1)
5. Don't make SUCH a big damn deal about 'https' -- big green text, giant padlock icons, etc. I've been telling people for YEARS that an HTTPS connection to bankofamurica.ru is worth NOTHING.
This won't solve everything, but the least that browser makers can do is give people the tools they need to help them make good decisions. Long story short, QUIT HIDING SHIT!
6. Bonus: enough with all these new shit TLDs. Is a world where http://blog.google/ exists (note: it does) REALLY a better place than one where it doesn't? Or is it just more confusing?
Dear Slashdot: next time you want to mess with the site, add a rich-text editor for comments.
If the identity of the endpoint can't be verified, exactly how is it that MITM is prevented?
There's a difference between positively identifying a corporation and identifying the machine with which you are trying to communicate. An SSL certificate provides you only with the knowledge that you're communicating with the person who claims to own the address in question and that this communication is secure.
Phishing attacks are prevented by Extended Validation. It's an additional process which says the person who we granted the certificate to is the owner of the domain and the company and we have reasonable evidence to that effect, ... trust us.
Let's Encrypt doesn't offer the latter service, and if you go to www.payypal.com and see "Secure" in the title you know that you're talking securely to www.payypal.com. You don't know if you're actually talking to Paypal unless it says "Paypal, Ltd [US]." in the title, and even then you're doing it on nothing more than a promise.
A domain-validated cert guarantees *nothing* besides, "this cert was issued to a likely admin at $host.$domain.$tld."
The expectation is that clients (ie, web browsers) will compare the tail end of the hostname to the CN on the cert, and take appropriate action if they don't match.
They guarantee *nothing* about the identity of the site's owner, the legitimacy of their domain's ownership, or anything else.
DV certs exist because sometimes, all you care about is preventing MITM attacks to web users. Period. The onus is still on *you* to verify that login.chase.com.lucky7domainpark69.com is, in fact, the login page for your bank, and not a phisher's site. All a DV cert for that domain guarantees is that someone running a fake/compromised wifi access point can't intercept, read, or tamper with the request or response.
This is why banks pay thousands of dollars for "EV" certs. A CA issuing an EV cert IS expected to have "boots on the ground" physically verifying that the cert's applicant is who they say they are, has an office where they say they do, etc. They themselves STILL guarantee nothing about how data is secured or used after decryption.
TL/DR:
DV cert: the other party is whomever controls $(some-specific-domain).
EV cert: same as DV, but adds guarantee that they're ALSO whom they claim to be. They might STILL be evil & crooked, but at least you might conceivably hunt them down in the real world if they do something bad.
That's just it. BleepingComputer doesn't understand the difference between a DV and an EV certificate and falsely assumes that Lets Encrypt is not doing exactly what a Certificate Authority issuing a DV certificate is supposed to do: Verify the requester is capable of administering the domain in question and nothing more.