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Still More Advertisers Pull Google Ads Over YouTube Hate Videos (morningstar.com)

"A week after Google apologized for running customers' advertisements alongside objectionable videos, triggering a change in policy, its YouTube site is still rife with examples that are angering more big advertisers and causing some to cut spending with the tech giant," reports the Dow Jones Newswire. Reporters from the Wall Street Journal spotted ads from Microsoft, Amazon, and Procter & Gamble appearing on hate videos -- and thus indirectly funding them. An anonymous reader quotes their report: Asked about the Journal's finding that their ads were still appearing with such content on YouTube as of Thursday night, Coca-Cola, PepsiCo Inc., Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and Dish Network Corp. said Friday they were suspending spending on all Google advertising except targeted search ads. Starbucks Corp. and General Motors Co. said they were pulling their ads from YouTube. FX Networks, part of 21st Century Fox Inc., said it was suspending all advertising spending on Google, including search ads and YouTube. Wal-Mart said: "The content with which we are being associated is appalling and completely against our company values."
An executive at one of the affected companies complained that Google "had assured us over the past few days that our brands were safe from this type of content. Despite their assurances, it's clear they couldn't give assurance."

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  1. Alternative media. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Everyone say goodbye to dissenting opinions on YouTube.

    1. Re: Alternative media. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      violation of the first? the constitution is law that governs corporations? you don't know what the constitution or the bill of rights is, do ya frenchy.

    2. Re: Alternative media. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think you have misunderstood what is happening here. YouTube is not removing these videos, it is simply preventing adverts from these companies from appearing next to them. That generally means that the content creator can't earn revenue through YouTube any more, but the videos are not being censored or removed.

      This has actually been happening for ages due to copyright issues. For example, a lot of Mario players on Twitch also post clips to YouTube, but they can't be monetized because Nintendo won't allow it and will file copyright claims if you try to. So they make their money from Twitch and Patreon and merchandise, rather than YouTube ads.

      Sucks but you can't really force advertisers to give you money.

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    3. Re:Alternative media. by jandersen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Here's an interesting article: http://www.freepresshouston.co...

      'Free speech' has become a mantra for bullying the people whose opinion is that there are things they don't like and don't want to see; but that in itself becomes a kind of censorship. Not by the government, but by other groups - and it is extremely easy to bombard websites with updates that drown out opinions that you as a person or group don't like.

      Ideally, if all people were honest and genuinely played by the rules of good citizenship etc, free speech would be truly free, but it only takes a small minority of bullies to take that away. Governments in democratic countries don't actually want to limit people's freedom of speech, because when people feel they can let off steam, they are less likely to want to upset things too much. It is the different bullying groups, the extremists, religious or otherwise, who talk the loudest about "freedom" and constitutional right, and they are also the ones who are working the hardest to take that away from the general public.

    4. Re: Alternative media. by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Removing racist opinions is a violation of the first amendment.

      You fail.

      The First Amendment applies to the government restricting or suppressing free speech.

      A private entity like Google/Youtube has no such obligation whatsoever. They're free to disallow comments or content for whatever reason(s) they want.

      Get a copy of the constitution and read it. Or have someone read it to you, you dipshit.

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    5. Re: Alternative media. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      That generally means that the content creator can't earn revenue through YouTube any more

      Unlikely. Some companies care about their "family" image, and will not want their ads associated with offensive content. Other advertisers don't care so much. So the obvious solution for Google is to offer a more expensive premium ad platform that excludes offensive videos, while offering a lower priced platform for companies that are more tolerant, and an even cheaper platform for those that actually want to target that audience.

      The market will fix this. Disney will pay slightly more for ads, while Breitbart News gets a discount.

    6. Re:Alternative media. by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Fun things: He never fabricated any posts from her. He posted what he found online(which is why you always verify the source). He never encouraged his "legions of adolescent cranks" to attack her. She did however encourage her followers to attack him and other people in the past. She did and has posted racist material, directed at whites numerous times in the past. What's the difference though? Well she's black, and she's female. That seems to be the only difference. When someone posted her racist garbage on their own twitter feed as a quote, can you guess what happened? That's right, they were temporarily banned.

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    7. Re:Alternative media. by MercTech · · Score: 2

      I can see that shopping list of companies pulling adverts from YouTube. After all, most of them are companies that have been slam-dunked for regressive political support and anti employee policies on YouTube videos for quite a while.

      Having advertising seemingly randomly assigned to videos does make for some hilarious juxtapositions... Like a Chevrolet Truck commercial that played on a video of the CEO of GM stating that now 7 out of 10 Chevrolets are made in China.

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  2. What videos exactly? by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've yet to see a single link to one of these "hate videos" that supposedly has these companies so pissed. While I've no doubt that there are hateful videos on Youtube (there are pretty much ALL KINDS of video on Youtube), are they actually citing specific videos here, or just reacting to vague reports that that OMG! there may be some assholes on Youtube (clutch the pearls!!)?

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    1. Re:What videos exactly? by wvmarle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or an excuse to pull out of a failing venture?

      The few online ads that make it through to me are usually totally irrelevant - except those that come with Google's search results as those are based on my location and current interest, i.e. what I happen to search for. The rest is mostly adblocked to begin with.

      Also I have seen relevant ads on other sites - where the site itself sold the ads, to advertisers directly related to the topic at hand (a recycling site posting banner ads of recycling companies).Those were not adblocked, in part for not being part of an ad network so they fell off the radar. Not intrusive and relevant ads, that's totally fine with me.

      So it sounds like Internet advertising has to go back to basics. Sites themselves selling ads to advertisers instead of pulling in random ads. Advertisers themselves looking for relevant places to show their ads, instead of having their ads plastered over random sites. At the same time those failing ad networks can stop their invasive tracking and profiling, as it's quite obvious that doesn't work either.

    2. Re:What videos exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      For starters, here's an entire channel called Dindu Nuffins with nothing but racist videos.

      There are video series like Chimpout! episode 2 (and 1, 3, 4, etc.) which encourage such insightful dialogue as:

      "IF ANY MARSHAL WANTS TO COME DIE FOR A JEW, THEN COMEOVER AND TELL ME TO GO TO YOUR COURT OR SOMETHING EQUALLY AS STUPID. I HAVE HAD ENOUGH AND WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN THIS RHESUS MONKEY BLOOD RITUAL. THE NEGRO GRAVEN IMAGE AND THE ALBINO JEW GRAVEN IMAGE NEGRO CAN TAKE THEIR BLOOD DRINKING ELSE WHERRE."

      There are thousands of apparent one-off videos like You stupid fucking n-ggers!

      Hatred is all over YouTube, just as it's all over the internet in general. I imagine the advertisers are responding to the phenomenon at large, and not to specific videos or artists, otherwise they could just request to have their ads pulled from those specific channels. (I have no idea whether or not there were ever ads running on the links above, I don't see YouTube ads thanks to uBlock.)

    3. Re:What videos exactly? by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Perhaps also an effort to encourage Google to come back and offer these advertisers some discounted rates? It's unlikely that these advertisers will stay away for long. But why not pull out of a deal temporarily and see if things look more favorable for the next contract?

      I don't think there's a lot of love for the dominant position Google has in internet advertising, so of course other companies will take any opportunity they can get to stick it too them just a bit. This just seems like an excuse to do that.

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    4. Re:What videos exactly? by stephanruby · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The first article cites these examples

      Ads for Coca-Cola, Starbucks, Toyota, Dish Network, Berkshire Hathaway Inc.'s Geico unit and Google's own YouTube Red subscription service appeared on racist videos with the slur "n-----" in the title as of Thursday night. Those ads ran before two videos that dub a racist song over videos of former first lady Michelle Obama or Chicago rapper Chief Keef. The videos, posted by the same account, have been viewed more than 425,000 times and 260,000 times, respectively.

      Another video titled "Black people in their natural habitat," with a racial slur in the description, played monkey noises over footage of black men in prison and images of black civil-rights leaders Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. Google showed ads for Amazon, Microsoft and GM's Chevrolet unit before or during that video.

      If it is really true that uploaders have used the "n" word and other racial slurs either in the video title or in the video description, then Google could easily prevent ads from playing over those videos.

    5. Re:What videos exactly? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's almost like Google has a search problem on their hands.

    6. Re:What videos exactly? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The advertisers don't want to police it themselves, checking individual channels for suitability. They want it to be like TV, where they say "we want X minutes/day, and only during family-friendly programming" and the network does the rest. That's kind of the whole point about how YouTube advertising works - Google has massive analytics and targeting capability which obviously they don't want to share with anyone, so you just get to select your parameters and they do the rest.

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    7. Re:What videos exactly? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The few online ads that make it through to me are usually totally irrelevant

      So, slightly better than most other forms of advertising then... Like TV and billboards which are usually totally irrelevant. Also remember that AdBlock makes the tracking/profiling less effective so you are probably not getting typical results. People without ad blocking find ads creepily following them around the web and stuff like that.

      All they really care about is that their ads don't appear next to overtly racist content, stuff that uses the n-word and is thus easy for journalists to find.

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  3. This is how censorship works in America. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Because of that pesky first amendment, the actual government can't create Ministries of Truth to arbitrate reality like some European countries are trying to do (not to mention that the people everyone wants to censor currently control all branches of government). Luckily though, the wonders of unchecked free market capitalism have created an environment where the most notorious thoughcriminals rely on advertising revenue to survive financially, and two private companies with no legal responsibilities toward free speech and a track record of bowing to mob pressure and/or their own political agendas now have a near-monopoly on ad sales.

  4. Re:Why the media blitz over this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They're all virtue signaling because that's what their idiotic marketers/officers who graduated from sjw.edu think they must do. All they really need to do is say "we like people who like our products" and leave it at that. The moment they take a position on contentious issues they lose market share because they're going to alienate some group of people who were perhaps buying their stuff.

  5. But Dissent is Now HATE by Kunedog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Everyone say goodbye to dissenting opinions on YouTube.

    Disagreement is now harrassment.
    Mockery is now hate speech.
    Offense is now trauma.
    Criticism is now abuse.
    Compelling criticism is now violence.
    Anyone who talks about subjects the MSM wants to suppress is now a troll.
    Anyone at random is a racist/sexist/white supremacist/nazi/etc if they say so.

    The use of this alarmist (and usually, simply wrong) language is ubiquitous and deliberate. It's all a pretense to justify a disproportionate censorial "response," especially when they know no response is warranted at all. It's also a brazenly transparent tactic, especially since Twitter/Reddit/etc rarely seem to use it against users that properly align with their politics.

    A popular tranny just had two of her YT videos demonitized, one that criticized Islam, and another that criticized feminism:
    https://twitter.com/MsBlaireWh...

    1. Re:But Dissent is Now HATE by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And refusing to give you a platform is now genocide.

      Don't get me wrong, YouTube has fucked up royally here, but your claims are laughable because I can still go to YouTube right this second and watch neo-Nazis spouting off, or Carl of Swindon ranting about feminazis, or The Golden One living out his liberal murder fantasies in video games, and all still monetized.

      It's obvious to anyone with a level head that YouTube is just incompetent. You can't attribute any political or philosophical or moral motivation to their actions, because they are too inconsistent to be rational.

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    2. Re:But Dissent is Now HATE by Raenex · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And refusing to give you a platform is now genocide.

      Who is claiming that? Oh, you, in typical strawman fashion.

      Don't get me wrong, YouTube has fucked up royally here, but your claims are laughable because I can still go to YouTube right this second and watch neo-Nazis spouting off, or Carl of Swindon ranting about feminazis, or The Golden One living out his liberal murder fantasies in video games, and all still monetized.

      How does that refute what is desired by the leftist agitators versus what YouTube is actually doing? The boycott came about because YouTube didn't sufficiently turn itself into a "safe space".

      It's obvious to anyone with a level head that YouTube is just incompetent. You can't attribute any political or philosophical or moral motivation to their actions, because they are too inconsistent to be rational.

      It's obvious to anybody who's been paying attention that the left has been hysterically ramping up their cries about "hate speech" and leveling it at anybody who opposes their ideological positions.

    3. Re:But Dissent is Now HATE by Raenex · · Score: 2, Informative

      There is no bug push from "leftist agitators" to censor YouTube

      Bullshit. It's the leftist mainstream media that lumps together Islamic terrorists with "far-right" groups, yet never talk about "far-left" groups. It's also the left that's been hell bent on "deplatforming" the right the past several years.

      On top of that, there has been a huge amount of criticism on social media from the left because what Youtube has done is indiscriminate and affects many non-controversial videos (unless you consider make-up tips for trans women to be a problem)

      Yes, they are only concerned when they get caught up in the net. That doesn't mean they aren't for the net. Just so long as it only applies to "hateful" channels, that is, those on the right.

    4. Re:But Dissent is Now HATE by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Right, watching and listening to 150 hours of new content uploaded every hour should be easy peasy.

      If your argument is that Google cannot afford to hire 150-200 additional employees, it's a pretty lousy argument.

      And how does one police/supervise the "reviewers"? Why, you need another person to listen to the same stuff to make sure, right?

      Your failure is of imagination. No, no you don't. You let the community flag your misses. Just getting the vast majority of them would do the job.

      Sounds like an impossible assignment to me.

      That's because you're being disingenuous. Or dumb.

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    5. Re:But Dissent is Now HATE by Raenex · · Score: 3

      Yet when the haters on the right does the exact same thing. It is okay?

      Where is the right trying to "deplatform" left-wing speakers?

      Let's put it this way when Obama was putting out Obamacare did he threaten every single democrat who voted no?

      What does that have to do with free speech on gigantic platforms like YouTube?

      Now which side is dangerous, which side is vengeful?

      Let's see, who is committing the violence and trying to prevent the speech of others? That would be the left.

      Also remember every single Islamic terrorists is a conservative. They are all right wing. They all want theirs at over science. Now which American party also wants religion over science?

      Which political party responds to critiques of Islam with cries of "Islamophobia" and "racist"? Which political party is against restrictions on Muslim immigration? Which political party has apologists for Sharia law leading women marches?

      The left went from fighting political Christians to embracing Islam.

    6. Re:But Dissent is Now HATE by sexconker · · Score: 2

      Why would you need to watch or listen to 150 hours of new content?

      A dozen unpaid interns can adequately police all videos for advertisers.

      1: A video doesn't have ads on it for the first 50,000 views. Adjust to the 98th or whatever percentile Google feels is worth losing ad revenue over vs. not hiring more people. (Even unpaid interns cost money.)

      2: Once a video crawls out of the sewer and hits 50,000 views, or whatever magic number you have decided upon, toss it into a reviewer queue.

      3: An unpaid intern is automatically assigned the video, watches it at 1.5x speed, and determines if it will make special snowflakes cry, or whatever it is that advertisers are concerned about.

      4: The unpaid intern flags it for a handful of categories/companies that should be blocked from having ads on it, then approves it for ads. No ads from gay companies, no ads from Disney (Disney can pay extra $$$ to get elevated to an entire category), no ads from sissy little shits who want a "family friendly" image, whatever.

      5: Google's ad system injects ads as usual, with an additional search clause to not select ads for categories that are banned on that video.

      Your mistake is that you think you have to watch all of the content. You don't. You need to watch all of the content you run ads on. Since the vast majority of content on YouTube goes unseen except by the uploader and a handful of people, you can skip ads entirely for those videos and not lose any meaningful revenue. You just need to target ads that have lots of views to maintain your revenue. And you could even have some viewer go into ad debt if they watch a lot of monetized, low-view (and thus ad-free) videos. Simple show them ads more frequently when they do watch videos with ads until they catch up.

    7. Re:But Dissent is Now HATE by Raenex · · Score: 2

      On News Corp platforms, Breitbart, twitter, 4chan, all sorts of places?

      I don't see the right trying to get BLM kicked off YouTube, or preventing them from giving speeches at colleges, etc.

      Also, case in point, here, by a user named Raenex. Who will never look at the right's actions.

      I looked. I condemn violence. However, Muslims are like 1% of the American population, but their attacks our roughly on par with American militias, according to your source (counting, of course, after 9/11): "In that time, according to New America, a Washington think tank, Islamists launched nine attacks that murdered 45, while the right-wing extremists struck 18 times, leaving 48 dead."

      But let's bring in more of this hateful ideology! I'm sure we can ratchet up the Islamic body count in no time!

      Which political party tries to convince us that Islam is a material threat?

      Islam has bloody borders:

      "Nevertheless, there is a problem that goes back to the very beginnings of Muslim history: From the time that the first Muslims established themselves as the rulers of Medina, Islam was a political and increasingly a legal system as well as a faith. In Medina Muhammad continued to be a prophet, but he also became the head of a state and a military leader. With the exception of Southeast Asia (where Islam was spread by traders from the the subcontinent), what we now know as the Muslim world was established by conquest. It is no accident that in traditional Muslim thought the world is divided into two spheres--the realm of Islam (dar ul-Islam) and the realm of war (dar ul-harb). Put simply, it is assumed that the border between Islamic rule and the rest of the world marks a state of war, even if periods of armistice are possible. One should be cognizant of the important fact that there are Muslim thinkers today who are reformulating the nature of Islamic law (sharia) and of Islamic war (jihad) in a much more liberal manner. But one must also recognize that there is a weighty tradition to the contrary and that a large number of Muslims, possibly the majority, does not favor these reformulations."

    8. Re:But Dissent is Now HATE by Raenex · · Score: 2

      So I'm supposed to care that you pretend you don't see it?

      You can cite it or shut it. It's not my job to back up your claims. But if all you're talking about is criticism, and not trying to remove them from YouTube or prevent them from speaking at places like colleges, it ain't the same, because that's the topic under discussion.

      Notice how you don't say you condemn right-wing violence. You won't even condemn right-wing deceits and frauds.

      You're a real idiot. I condemn left-wing and right-wing violence. I was responding to the articles which you posted about right-wing violence, so I didn't specify right-wing, because it was obvious.

      Do you want to hear about them before 9/11?

      Still wouldn't come close to the body count of 9/11 by the Islamic attack, now would it?

      Oh yes, here you go, making your accusation that somebody is intentionally importing violence and hate?

      Islam is a hateful and violent ideology, and since we are willingly allowing Muslims to immigrate, and even being cajoled to allow more, then yes.

      Oh, I can dump text too:

      Dump it all you want, that doesn't change the facts on the ground. Jesus, as described in the Gospels, was basically a hippie who preached virtue, love, and peace. Muhammad, as described in the Quran, hadith, and Sunna, was a conquering warlord.

      That's why Islam remains the most violent, expansionist, and authoritarian religion in the world today. That's why you can have "Piss Christ" displays in the United States, and nobody gets killed, but if you draw cartoons of Muhammad, you are attacked with guns, despite Christians being 70% of the population and Muslims only 1%.

    9. Re:But Dissent is Now HATE by Raenex · · Score: 2, Informative

      Bullshit. Sure, there are whackos of every stripe and type getting their 2 minutes of fame and air time, but 99.99999 percent of the left is NOT supporting sharia in any way, shape, or form. If you really believe they are, stop watching FOX News for a few minutes and let your head clear.

      Can you explain this, then? Funny how they made sure to exclude women who were pro-life, but at the front and center included a Sharia-loving, Islam apologizing, hijab-wearing woman.

      Time to open your eyes. The left is filled with useful idiots.

  6. Re:Hire Actual Human Reviewers Maybe? by GNious · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Seem to recall articles here on /. about Google's reviewers having to look at so much shit, they basically broke down mentally within a year - ignoring the human costs, that's a very large turn-over if you need to hire and train 20.000 new people yearly.

  7. Good! Now they know how it feels!!!! by Leslie43 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I run several chat forums and every now and then Google changes the rules, one week something is fine, the next it isn't and you're responsible to scrub all that no longer complies. Last time they did this, there was 23 million posts across several chat forums to review or risk losing my Adsense account, to which there is little recourse.

    I hope it hurts, I hope it really hurts!

  8. Care to buy ad time on a platform based on random by _Shorty-dammit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    YT: Care to buy ad time on a platform based on random people uploading videos based on whatever randomness they're into?

    Companies: Yes!

    YT: OK, thanks!

    Companies: Hey! How come these random videos we're advertising over contain all manner of random stuff?!

    YT: Um, duh?

  9. Hate videos == PewDiePie by blind+biker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What is ridiculous is that these holier than thou multinationals call PewDiePie videos "hate videos".

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  10. Battlestar Galactica Quote by tinkerton · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Someone on here once pointed out a relevant quote from Commander William Adama:

    . There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.

    I think this is the place where diplomats warn that 'there is a risk of us moving in that direction' when they mean to describe the current situation.

  11. Re:Censorship! by Z80a · · Score: 2

    They don't care about SJWs, they just don't want their squeaky clean brands "tainted" by anything that may even remotely sound like something wrong.
    Prove em that the so called SJW thing is also hateful and hurting their brand (not that hard really), and you will see they get rid of em just as quickly.

  12. Re:Hit Job on Google? by mentil · · Score: 2

    According to Wikipedia, The Times AND Wall Street Journal are both owned by News Corp. Coincidence they both did Youtube hit pieces in a short timeframe? Is Rupert Murdoch above such things?

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  13. YouTube in an EVIL nutshell by shanen · · Score: 2

    Everyone say goodbye to dissenting opinions on YouTube.

    The basis of the "insightful" moderation is eluding me. Par for today's Slashdot, though I remain more discouraged by the lack of actually "funny" comments. Or perhaps I should say dismayed by both?

    Or maybe it's just too hard for me to imagine why anyone would pay to advertise anything on YouTube. For a lot of the user-generated content the adjective execrable is just too kind. Not sure about "dissenting opinions", but the only ones I remember noticing were on the wrong side of execrable.

    These is some legitimate and good content, but it's mostly teasers and since it's purpose is to advertise itself, then any other ads are just confusing the issue, and my feeling is that most of the teaser content is free of ads, or at least the ads are not intrusive. Things like snippets from HBO or paid news channels.

    The rest of the wannabe good content is pirated stuff. Much of that is reduced below good by the insertion of lots of intrusive ads, obviously for cases where the pirate is profiting that way, but YouTube has an obvious vested interest in supporting that sort of thing as long as some sucker is paying for the ads. Then there is a HUGE amount of fake piracy that is just intended to lure you to an installer where your computer will get pwned. Offensive enough, but downright EVIL when it is targeting innocent children, and LOTS of it has been doing exactly that for many years.

    I used to waste some time trying to fight against it, but I eventually realized the google is too EVIL to care now, as long as they are making money off it. The motto about "Don't be evil" is long dead in favor of "All your attention are belong to us." However there is a real threat to the google's new mission statement. They had to revise it when they realized there was too much information out there and that "useful" was a complicated notion. The new mission of the google is to make the advertisers' information available and the utility function is the corporations' profits. Humans are only incidentally involved.

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    1. Re:YouTube in an EVIL nutshell by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or maybe it's just too hard for me to imagine why anyone would pay to advertise anything on YouTube.

      Advertisers' goal is typically to connect with stupid people who will buy shit they don't need. And what a coincidence: people too dumb to block ads on Youtube are spectacularly stupid, thus ideal for typically sophomoric marketing tactics designed to make people feel bad enough about themselves to buy some garbage.

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  14. Re:Censorship! by Z80a · · Score: 2

    The real racists are anyone that think and divide the population by the race instead of personal merits and views.
    And there's no color or specific gender required to do that, just a lack of deeper thought and a general willingness to let some stupid group think for you.
    But if i would give the SJW a color, i would say that most are actually white, due how they can easily fall for the "shame of being born white".

  15. Re:Hit Job on Google? by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No, News Corp has been doing this for years. The reason is Murdoch thinks Google and Google News specifically is killing the news industry, and that the iPad will save it (or at least he thought that a few years ago). It's pure inter-corporate warfare being played out through manipulation of public opinion. The WSJ in particular are experts at it.

  16. Re:Hit Job on Google? by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just over a month ago, the WSJ did a hitjob on Pewdiepie, one of Youtube's most-subscribed personalities, causing his ad funding and Youtube Red channel to get cancelled.

    Just over a month ago, PewDiePie did something stupid that could easily convince a moron that he is an anti-semite. Because it was so stupid, and he made no attempt to actually be clever and was instead only incendiary as per usual, he lost his ad funding and youtube red channel, and will have to find his own soapbox. If he had anything worth saying, he would have been able to find someone else to pick him up, but he doesn't so he didn't. That's the whole story.

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  17. Re: Care to buy ad time on a platform based on ran by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They Target the audience successfully, unless your claim is that racists don't like Wal Mart. The complaint is that those companies don't like some of their potential and actual customers, not that their ads are wasted on them.

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  18. Re:Hire Actual Human Reviewers Maybe? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

    Seem to recall articles here on /. about Google's reviewers having to look at so much shit, they basically broke down mentally within a year

    There must be a subset of the 4chan-esque crowd which will do the job they are paid to do faithfully in spite of being shitlords. Hire them, their eyeballs can withstand anything.

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  19. Saudi Arabia by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 2

    Everything quoted is true with one exception.

    But one must also recognize that there is a weighty tradition to the contrary and that a large number of Muslims, possibly the majority, does not favor these reformulations."

    Jihad is something that Islam can't really live down, but most people of any stripe are not interested in engaging in holy war. The problem is Wahhabism, which was originated by the House of Saud. It is still actively promoted by them and they want it to be the default sect of Islam. Wahhabism teaches that jihad is a duty of all Muslims in the same sense that praying five times a day and making a pilgrimage to Mecca is a duty. That would be the reason why 15/19 of the September 11th attackers were from Saudi Arabia. Al Queda is Wahhabist, and so is the Islamic State.

    I hear Trump went to Saudi Arabia to kiss ass a couple weeks ago. Isn't interesting that at this height of anti-Islamic sentiment, our leaders are embracing the Saudis? Funny how this idea of Wahhabism has had zero press since 9/11 too.

    By the way, if you want a real introduction to Islamic history, pick up a book called 'Destiny Disrupted'. I am the mushy liberal who welcomes all -law abiding- muslims, but I recommend the book in the sense of 'know your enemy'. It's not a book to change anyone's opinions. It may give you some perspective on exactly how far the Islamic world has fallen. It will refine your priorities of what sects to keep an eye on.

    Honestly, Islam is a hell of a lot more problematic for its practitioners than to anyone else. The religion is fucked, and more or less incompatible with either the modern concept of the nation-state and generally prohibitive of democracy. But western civilizations beat the Islamic world so badly in the 18th and 19th centuries that we don't even bother to teach that part of history. The entire history of the Islamic world does not even merit a footnote in most western histories. And if you'll take a look at (e.g.) the civil war going on in Afghanistan, it will hopefully become clear that these people are mostly dangerous to themselves (especially in the sense that sharia law does not apply to non-Muslims). However, to the degree that there is a threat, let's do be specific about which country is exporting terrorism and terrorist ideas.

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