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Is Microsoft Building A Foldable 'Surface' Phone? (hothardware.com)

"This past week, Microsoft received a new patent for a foldable handset, and once again there are rumors that it is related to the long awaited, mythical Surface Phone," writes HardOCP, noting Samsung and LG are also rumored to be working on foldable phones. An anonymous reader quotes Hot Hardware: Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella made it clear that he doesn't want to kick out just another run-of-the-mill smartphone that looks and functions like every other device out there, but one that is unique in some aspect... This is not the first time Microsoft has filed a patent for what could be a folding Surface Phone. Just two months ago it was discovered that Microsoft filed a patent for a "Mobile Computing Device Having a Flexible Hinge Structure"...
Microsoft's patents include curved edges "intended to draw light away from the gaps, which would create an optical illusion of one continuous image," according to the article. "In this way, Microsoft could create a folding phone with multiple active displays appearing as a single, continuous image."

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  1. And... by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 3, Funny

    It damn well better make the "communicator sound" when you open it!

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    1. Re:And... by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      And it has to open with a flip of the wrist of course. None of this two-handed BS.

    2. Re:And... by msauve · · Score: 1

      It damn well better make the "communicator sound" when you open it!

      Didn't hold the Moto MicroTAC back.

      Summary:"like every other device out there, but one that is unique in some aspect."

      They already have Windows phones which are unique - no one wants them. Form over function is not a way toward getting significant market share. Unique in the current smartphone OS market would be respecting people's privacy, providing timely security updates which don't depend on carrier support, and a firm legal commitment to long term support so people aren't forced into a 2 year upgrade cycle. Add whatever it takes to get developers to support app parity on this new OS, and I'll consider it.

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    3. Re: And... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd settle for a moto pebl mechanism

  2. yay, the've patented and invented the flip phone by iggymanz · · Score: 1

    I know, Microsoft could call their amazing new foldable phone the 1996 Motorola StarTAC.

  3. It's time for Microsoft to give up by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They've fought for years to get market share, but even with a competitive product it's still only gone down. Microsoft just isn't cool enough for people.

    1. Re:It's time for Microsoft to give up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, the more variety available, the better it is for us consumers. That's what I don't get people here, this is just like blackberry - everyone praying for them to die so we have fewer choices and now only 2 companies have us by the balls. Do you guys even think about this stuff? Everyone's walking off the cliff.

    2. Re:It's time for Microsoft to give up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We don't really want them to give up, but if they're not really trying, they might as well give up. Microsoft is too scared of making something that doesn't immediately tie in with their current cash cows. That's why they had to put a mobile UI on Windows. It just wasn't possible for them to offer a mobile phone that wasn't also a part of the Windows world.

    3. Re:It's time for Microsoft to give up by gravewax · · Score: 2

      It really depends, they don't need to be cool. They just need to be X86 compatible! Their phones have been decent but poorly supported app wise, give me compatibility with X86 and I would get one tomorrow instead of my planned Galaxy S8 purchase.

    4. Re:It's time for Microsoft to give up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, everyone's just tired of microsoft trying to be in every god damn segment. Windows phone is just about dead, thank god.

    5. Re:It's time for Microsoft to give up by DogDude · · Score: 0

      Not everybody cares about "cool". Some people use gadgets to get work done. Microsoft has a really good product. They're not going to scuttle it just because it's not the flavor of the month.

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    6. Re:It's time for Microsoft to give up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely. Thats the real draw of the surface tablet.

    7. Re:It's time for Microsoft to give up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      give me compatibility with X86 and I would get one tomorrow instead of my planned Galaxy S8 purchase.

      oh yes, those keyboard-and-mouse apps that run in landscape mode on a big screen, it's no problem to run them on a device with no mouse, no keyboard and a tiny little portrait mode screen

      x86 compatibility don't mean shit if the user interface is not compatible

      do you also lament the lack of hay and feed stops along the turnpike to freshen your horses?

    8. Re:It's time for Microsoft to give up by chispito · · Score: 1

      They've fought for years to get market share, but even with a competitive product it's still only gone down. Microsoft just isn't cool enough for people.

      The Surface line is pretty well regarded, and seems to have sold pretty well. Plus, there might be a market for a phone that's more secure than Android but, well, not Apple. Sure, I wouldn't bet on it--but I probably wouldn't bet it against it either.

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    9. Re:It's time for Microsoft to give up by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      It's more a symptom of Microsoft trying its hardest to be a more paranoid (read: locked down against competitor's applications) version of Apple. Really, they are trying to do exactly that. And the reason people want Microsoft to fail here is because these people don't want yet more locked down shit flooding the marketplace if Microsoft were to gain a sizable market share.

      I think people would root for Sailfish or even WebOS, just not the crappier, more API limited version of iOS, aka Windows Phone.

    10. Re:It's time for Microsoft to give up by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      They've fought for years to get market share, but even with a competitive product it's still only gone down. Microsoft just isn't cool enough for people.

      Stop trying to give Microsoft good advice! Don't you want them to fail? Come on, I can't be the only one sending MS letters of encouragement telling them to make a new Windows smartphone. ;)

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    11. Re: It's time for Microsoft to give up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. No choice whatsoever. We're down to a mere 400 models to choose from.

      God damn, if Microsoft would just offer a modern flip phone, all would be good and right with the world.

    12. Re:It's time for Microsoft to give up by Kjella · · Score: 1

      It really depends, they don't need to be cool. They just need to be X86 compatible! Their phones have been decent but poorly supported app wise, give me compatibility with X86 and I would get one tomorrow instead of my planned Galaxy S8 purchase.

      And we know Intel cancelled the last iteration of that project, probably because Microsoft wouldn't commit to buying enough processors to make it worth it. So unless there's some supersecret project that's not on any roadmap it's not going to happen.

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    13. Re:It's time for Microsoft to give up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      seems to have sold pretty well.

      translation: PC market is not dead YET, tis only a flesh wound

    14. Re:It's time for Microsoft to give up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft has built a version of Windows 10 for ARM that emulates X86 with no significant loss of performance. Intel is out of the mobile picture, for good. This is not a super secret project, so I am not going to source it.

    15. Re:It's time for Microsoft to give up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      with high def screens, external portal keyboards and mice then yeah they would be great. user interface can easily be supported

    16. Re:It's time for Microsoft to give up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could not give a shit about user interface apps, there is however a fuck load of utilities, tools and many other non user interface centric shit that would massively benefit from such a device. fuck you had a heap of people on here whinging about the death of netbooks, such a device would easily fulfil my needs and yes I would ditch android for it. It would mean all my various utilities and tools I have written over the years could run natively and many of the full size apps could work too, resolution of modern smartphones has gone beyond what a lot of older screens even had. External mice and keyboards are easy.

    17. Re:It's time for Microsoft to give up by somenickname · · Score: 1

      It's a tarnished brand. It doesn't really matter how good their product is: People have grown up using and loathing Microsoft software. The vast majority of people will run away from a Microsoft product if they aren't forced to use it. They could sell their phones for $0 and throw in some hookers and blow to seal the deal and people still wouldn't buy them.

      If they just stopped chasing the mobile platform that they'll never get, they could actually entrench themselves into their core business again: Making bloated but ubiquitous operating systems and business software. As a Linux guy, I almost feel ashamed to say it but, I actually *liked* Windows 7. Firing up a copy of Windows 10, I feel like I need an XBox controller and a touch screen to use it correctly. The first time I used it, I literally could not figure out how to make the machine shutdown.

    18. Re:It's time for Microsoft to give up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think Microsoft is hopeless here you should take a look at Canonical.

    19. Re:It's time for Microsoft to give up by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You aren't using many MS products, are you? Their past few desktop OSs were all catering to the touch-toys and, Win8 specifically, originally a PITA to work on with mouse + keyboard.

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    20. Re:It's time for Microsoft to give up by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      You and 3 others on the planet. Hence the lack of commercial product.

    21. Re:It's time for Microsoft to give up by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      ... ARM that emulates X86 with no significant loss of performance.

      A 386, perhaps. Not anything made in the past 10 years.

    22. Re:It's time for Microsoft to give up by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      It is on it's way from Qualcom http://www.tomshardware.com/ne...

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    23. Re: It's time for Microsoft to give up by llZENll · · Score: 1

      Kids, there was a time when MS had the coolest mobile OS around named Windows CE then Windows Mobile. The devices that ran it were called Pocket PCs and made blackberries look like children's toys. They were cutting edge, widely supported and adopted.

    24. Re: It's time for Microsoft to give up by l20502 · · Score: 1

      And a few years later fumbling around with a stylus became hilariously outdated.

    25. Re:It's time for Microsoft to give up by unixisc · · Score: 1

      While Metro on Windows 8 was a disaster, the same interface was actually a pretty good one on the Windows Phone. Most of the suffering of this merger has been on the desktop end. In Windows Phone 7, it was the other way around - where the phones suffered.

      Ideally, Microsoft should have had Windows 7 (maybe w/ the Windows 8 kernel) on laptops and desktops, and Windows 8 w/ Metro on phones & tablets. But Windows 10 has been good from an UI point for both laptops & phones (not discussing the telemetry here): it's an improvement on laptops, particularly 2-in-1s, where one could pick either desktop or tablet mode, and as good as 8 on phones (better in terms of improved customizability). Main issue for the phone guys is that they're not even much of an afterthought for most ISVs.

    26. Re: It's time for Microsoft to give up by unixisc · · Score: 1

      I think the question was on the choice of OSs (not counting different versions of Android as different OSs). Right now, we have just iOS & Android: other OSs are fringe OSs, like Windows Phone/Mobile, Blackberry OS, Sailfish, et al. If one or more of the latter became more popular, that would be a win for consumers.

    27. Re:It's time for Microsoft to give up by unixisc · · Score: 1

      It really depends, they don't need to be cool. They just need to be X86 compatible! Their phones have been decent but poorly supported app wise, give me compatibility with X86 and I would get one tomorrow instead of my planned Galaxy S8 purchase.

      But x86 compatibility wouldn't really help, unless you're planning to replace your laptop. As an exercise, go to your Windows 10 laptop app store, and see if some of the popular mobile apps, such as Yelp!, Fandango, are supported. They're actually supported on Windows 10 Mobile, but not on the desktop. But one is lucky on those 2: for Windows 10 - be it phone or desktop, a vast majority of apps support neither - apps like Meetup, 8x8, Vonage, Lyft, RetailMeNot, et al.

  4. Out of ideas? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That looks a lot like what happened to phones before the iPhone arrived. Everybody put the same functionality into "innovative" form factors and tried to make phones into fashion items. It looks like Microsoft has no ideas for a better phone, so they'll add needless ornaments, like hinges and bevels. Swarovsky "crystals" in 10, 9, 8...

    1. Re:Out of ideas? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The current smartphones have not "innovated" since the iPhone 4S years arguably so what is your point other than to bash MS when you should be bashing them all?

    2. Re:Out of ideas? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Actually, iPhone 6 was the last good innovation - w/ Apple Pay, while 5 was good w/ fingerprint recognition.

  5. Prior Art? by sycodon · · Score: 2

    Where have I see this before?

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  6. So, a Westworld Behaviour Tablet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure there's earlier prior art than 2016, but I'd be very interested in a foldable tablet slash phone, assuming they could ever squeeze everything in there.

    1. Re: So, a Westworld Behaviour Tablet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought prior art wasn't a thing anymore?

  7. Thanks for the gimmicks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Just stop already.
    Give me what I really want.
    Intel, ati graphics, g2 to g5 lte, 5 days battery life, 2-3 usb ports, and a dock so I can plug it in and use it as a desktop with full featured Os.

    1. Re:Thanks for the gimmicks by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 2

      ATI?
      They sold their mobile stake to Qualcomm. Adreno is an anagram of Radeon.

    2. Re:Thanks for the gimmicks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Intel

      Wasn't Intel quitting the mobile market because they just couldn't make a processor that's power-efficient enough?

      2-3 usb ports

      How bulky do you want that shit to be?

      and a dock so I can plug it in and use it as a desktop with full featured Os.

      Then again, you could put all those ports in the dock. Or use a USB hub. But still, that's kind of pointless. A PC is a complex machine that can do complex tasks, so it's expected to have a complex OS, with (usually) a windowed interface designed around keyboard and mouse. A phone's OS is supposed to be simpler and leaner, with a full-screen interface designed around a touch screen. If you try to design something that is both, you get a bloated mess. Anyone who used Windows 10 on a tablet can tell you what a clusterfuck it is.

    3. Re: Thanks for the gimmicks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also it should be $49, or free with contract.

      It should also have MicroSd, sd, cf, memory slots, a DVD and bluray player/writer, along with Nintendo Gameboy advance, Atari 2600 and NES cartridge ports. Integrated, 5mm thick, 100g weight, max, and 42" daylight visible screen, fit in my jeans fifth pocket and, let's say, be gluten free and made in America.

      I might be interested then.

    4. Re: Thanks for the gimmicks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Regarding the OS, Microsoft failing is because Microsoft is being Microsoft forcing one UI paradigm across multiple platforms.

      There is no reason there can't be multiple user interfaces, it was design of the Ubuntu phone, it's design of Maru OS, it's design of Kde plasma.

      Maru OS is perfect example in all but one way, it's basically 2 OS, instead of one unified on.

    5. Re: Thanks for the gimmicks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoa whoa whoa, but not certified organic? You're a monster.

    6. Re: Thanks for the gimmicks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft is failing because Android and iOS ate the market years ago. And that's the reason Ubuntu, Maru and everything else is going to fail.

    7. Re: Thanks for the gimmicks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      difine fail there are nitches. i gues rpi are a fail too.

    8. Re:Thanks for the gimmicks by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Just stop already. Give me what I really want. Intel, ati graphics, g2 to g5 lte, 5 days battery life, 2-3 usb ports, and a dock so I can plug it in and use it as a desktop with full featured Os.

      Curious, you plan on prioritizing security when converting your desktop into one of the most hacked platforms on the planet, or will a good security model continue to be a mere annoyance for the masses?

    9. Re: Thanks for the gimmicks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Failure" as in "Ubuntu Phone isn't going to make Canonical profitable, attract users to Ubuntu or make hardware manufacturers pay attention to Canonical and it's going to be just another irrelevant OS nobody is going to give a shit about."

      Of course there will always be some "enthusiasts" playing with it in old, hacked smartphones but they are irrelevant too.

    10. Re: Thanks for the gimmicks by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      All I want is an Ubuntu phone - let's say an Ubuntu since it was briefly available and not on $800 or $2000 phones - with an Android runtime (firewalled and restricted to hell) because, there will always be that one "app". I'd like around $100, $120 because $300 and up is elitism, just keep everything low end except RAM size at 2GB minimum (and flash one notch above low end, if thats available). Ubuntu phones had 1GB by the way, which is too low (on the other hand, 5" phones with 1GB were what people were waiting for to get an Firefox OS phone)

      Yes, it will be an OS/2 in that compatibility with the dominant platform will harm its app store (big time) but fuck it, freedom and security for the base OS and the grandma kind of uses will be worth it.

    11. Re:Thanks for the gimmicks by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      Having both a micro-USB and a USB-C would be a start. Don't tell me there's not enough room for both. For a start it helps with the stupid power cables incompatibility, if both USB ports can accept power input. Then you could use power + keyboard or power + thumbdrive or keyboard + thumbdrive or anything else.
      BTW PCs have been using the same power cable for 35 years and likely will 15 years from now (ATX ones)

    12. Re:Thanks for the gimmicks by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Intel

      Wasn't Intel quitting the mobile market because they just couldn't make a processor that's power-efficient enough?

      Yeah, it was. The phone Microsoft us making uses Qualcomm's chipset, including CPU. In which case, I hope they support Verizon and Sprint too, not just the GSM compatible carriers, since the chipset is one issue that dictates whether a phone can support those 2.

      2-3 usb ports

      How bulky do you want that shit to be?

      and a dock so I can plug it in and use it as a desktop with full featured Os.

      Then again, you could put all those ports in the dock. Or use a USB hub. But still, that's kind of pointless. A PC is a complex machine that can do complex tasks, so it's expected to have a complex OS, with (usually) a windowed interface designed around keyboard and mouse. A phone's OS is supposed to be simpler and leaner, with a full-screen interface designed around a touch screen. If you try to design something that is both, you get a bloated mess. Anyone who used Windows 10 on a tablet can tell you what a clusterfuck it is.

      I like the idea of all the ports on the dock. Just put a USB-C slot on the phone to connect w/ the dock, and let the dock have everything - USB-C, MicroUSB, MicroSD, SD, .35mm audio port, and so on.

      I have Windows 10 Mobile on my Lumia 550, and it's not bloated at all - it fits in 8GB of storage, which I found unbelievable. OTOH, Windows 10 on my previous Winbook - it really was a lot, since the Winbook could barely fit it w/ 16GB of storage, and was more comfortable w/ 32GB. If Microsoft wants their next phone to run Wintel 10, then they'll really need to beef up the storage - have, say, 64GB of flash drive storage, and include an SD slot.

      While at it, one more thing I'd like to see them do - include support for 2 eSIMs, and include support for VoLTE carriers, so that they can use this phone.

    13. Re:Thanks for the gimmicks by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Why not include USB-C on the phone itself, and provide a micro USB to USB C dongle, if it's needed for legacy cables? Also, put all the extra features on the dock, so that the phone itself is lean and doesn't have too much baggage. The dock could include all types of memory and USB slots, as well as keyboards and mice, so that one could type fluently on the desk, but switch to on-screen keyboards when the device is unplugged.

    14. Re: Thanks for the gimmicks by iampiti · · Score: 1

      Right on the money about the multiple UIs. First they forced a desktop UI on Windows Mobile and it sucked. Then they're forcing a mobile UI on desktop Windows and it sucks. Please Ms make totally separate UIs for touch and desktop usage I don't want to suffer touch optimized UIs on my PC.

  8. Re:yay, the've patented and invented the flip phon by youngone · · Score: 1
    There's not going to be an amazing new Microsoft foldable phone.

    There's going to be an amazing Microsoft patent, so that anyone who actually makes a foldable phone has to pay Microsoft.

  9. Here's what I'd like to see... by erp_consultant · · Score: 1

    1) A foldable design where, when it's closed, the display is on the outside. When it's open, the display size doubles on the inside.
    2) A way to run Android Apps, virtualized, as well as whatever MS has in their store. Without that, the phone is DOA in my opinion. I want to be able to run any App I want regardless of OS.
    3) 5 day battery. If it was a double size flip phone you could have a separate battery in each half, essentially doubling the battery size and life. Yes it's going to be heavier but a 5 day charge cycle is killer :-)
    4) A way to project the image on to a wall, like a projector. 4K would be great.
    5) A way to wirelessly connect to your cable box (or Roku, or Netflix, or whatever) to access and display content. If you can do that who needs a TV set?

    There you have it Microsoft. I anxiously await your first prototype.

    1. Re:Here's what I'd like to see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you just give us money instead? Also, we convinced your company to fire you and replace you with Ackbar. He's just so cheap it makes too much sense.

    2. Re: Here's what I'd like to see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. So it has one display off at all times? No
      2. Only if they include iOS apps. Won't happen.
      3. Quick charge. Who's 5 days away from an outlet?
      4. You'd need a 20 day battery for that
      5. Chromecast

    3. Re: Here's what I'd like to see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for 5 you can do that to a degree if you have services on your phone. with remote view you can watch it on a monitor or tv thats connected to pc but if you have those services there is ussually internet access for mobile and desktop(media center).

    4. Re: Here's what I'd like to see... by unixisc · · Score: 1

      1. Have an option like on laptops - screen A, screen B, both screens...

      2. Android is fine, if doable. How many apps are there on iOS, but not on Android?

      3. Have a portable docking station that has all the required slots. Pull it out when charging is needed

      4. Have that too as something that can only be used on the docking station. Avoids loading the phone

      5. Again, just have an HDMI connection from the dock to the TV

  10. Microsoft Phone by geoskd · · Score: 1

    Is Microsoft Building A Foldable 'Surface' Phone?

    Does anyone still care?

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    1. Re: Microsoft Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Not really. Definitely, no.

    2. Re:Microsoft Phone by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Well, it brings up a good point.

      On the one hand, "No." I have my iPhone. You have your Android phone, I assume. The lines have pretty much been drawn and there's going to be a lot of cognitive dissonance to get over before someone says, "Hey, I like this more than what I have now! It's time to switch."

      On the other hand, "Yes." This actually sounds pretty cool. Some people seem to like the Surface devices and if Microsoft can come up with something that's eye-catchingly interesting, it's publicity. Will bunches of people throw away their iPhones and Android phones? Probably not. But Microsoft may get some mind-share out of it--"Hey, that's pretty cool! Not so cool that I'll get rid of my iPhone, but Microsoft is being innovative. I thought that Apple was the only innovative company out there..."

    3. Re:Microsoft Phone by unixisc · · Score: 1

      While I'd never get rid of my iPhone, which I use exclusively for personal use, a Windows 10 Mobile phone is pretty good for work use. Be it usage of the mobile Office, OneNote, OneDrive storage... From a POV of synchronizing w/ my laptop, this phone is actually the best, since it allows me to pick up where I left off.

      However, it does fall short in some key apps that would be useful - VOIP/video conferencing apps, such as 8x8 or Vonage, Lyft (if I'm travelling and want to use a ride share), Meetup or any groupware apps, ADP or other payroll apps, and so on. If all those could be filled, this would be ideal. I don't need to have Pokémon Go on this, or even Netflix, but I do think that anything that a business needs and uses should be on there.

  11. Too late... by XSportSeeker · · Score: 2

    Dang, at this point I dunno if Microsoft releasing a holographic phone would do much considering how late to the game Windows Mobile, 10 or whatever they are putting there is.
    Don't get me wrong, I had a Windows Mobile phone (Lumia 1020)... but what's the point of it if it's only going to have outdated, abandoned or replacement apps that are always going to be behind the curve when it comes to functionality?

    Possible route for success, at least on the enterprise side, is keep it up with Continuum and make a phone that carries full Windows 10 that works well as a phone, but can also be used as a light desktop. They have to go a similar route Blackberry did in the past, and at this point with intrusive ads, telemetry and other crap they are shoving into Windows 10 I'm not sure Microsoft is even capable of going that route.

    1. Re:Too late... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't seen an ad on my 950XL yet. At least not one in the system itself. (Obviously browsers and freebie apps do their own thing, and that's not Microsoft's fault or problem.)

      I won't go back to iOS or Android at this point. At least not if I can help it. Yes, it's that much better. Those aren't words spoken lightly about Windows in any version, but it's true in this case.

    2. Re:Too late... by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Fully agree w/ you - I haven't seen that on my 550. Another side benefit - while the lack of some major apps is an issue, people who want to entice me into loading their apps are disappointed when I show them this phone and invite them to install their app on it - which is unsupported.

  12. What if they did by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and nobody cared?

  13. Focus on the fundamentals by MrLogic17 · · Score: 1

    I've got a surface for work – and I really do not like it.

      It doesn't have enough CPU power to be a real laptop, the built-in keyboard is just awful, and the battery life is stunningly short.

      There's some basic functionality for the laptop/tablet arena that they just don't have down yet. Half the time I try to suspend, it stays awake. Once it finally does sleep or hibernate, I have trouble waking it up about 10% of the time. There's been a few times I would pound of the keyboard and the power button – with no signs of life – and about five minutes later it would magically turn itself on after I gave up.

      Hard to get excited about cool new features when you don't even have the basics down.

  14. Probably by rmdingler · · Score: 1

    Even bell bottom jeans keep coming back into fashion.

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  15. All I can say is good luck by wjcofkc · · Score: 2

    As a nerd who is insistent on trying out the myriad of this-and-that technologies, I had a Windows phone a couple years ago. It was a fairly high end HTC device. While the interface is unique, the more I began to use it, the more it became obfuscated. It reached a point where it went from fairly cool and useable to finding myself lost on my own phone. Here I speak of the tiles and such. One thing I have noticed over the years, is that the elderly, who expect and do much less with and from their phones than myself, seem to have become the dominate user base. And yes, I do peek over shoulders just to see what platform different demographics are using. For me, Windows phone lasted a good couple months before going back to Android. I do not regret the experiment. But whatever they are planning with this surface phone, it had better be.... different in a good way.

    I will say this: I have a Windows 10 tablet. It is running a quad-core Cherry Trail with 4 gigs of ram. Quite simply, it is the best tablet experience I have ever had. It has a "tablet mode", but just using regular old Windows 10 on a tablet is pretty nice.

    Disclaimer: I own several tablets and they all have their uses (security cameras, persistent weather info, etc...) but my next favorite tablet is my Amazon Fire. It is simply the best for content consumption. It plays in my shop all day. I do not expect this post to be popular.

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    1. Re: All I can say is good luck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      which one did you try windows had a phone before windows 8 and 10 mobile.

    2. Re: All I can say is good luck by wjcofkc · · Score: 1

      All I can say is that it was Microsoft's latest as of about 2 - 1/2 years ago. I've had a couple Windows phones going back to... if I remember correctly the first Motorola Photon back in 2006 (as opposed to the Photon Q, an Android slider I also had) It was a BlackBerry knock off except much better than the BBs of the time. It was the most readily hackable phone I have ever had. I liked it quite a lot. Now I am just reminiscing.

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    3. Re:All I can say is good luck by dj245 · · Score: 1

      As a nerd who is insistent on trying out the myriad of this-and-that technologies, I had a Windows phone a couple years ago. It was a fairly high end HTC device. While the interface is unique, the more I began to use it, the more it became obfuscated. It reached a point where it went from fairly cool and useable to finding myself lost on my own phone. Here I speak of the tiles and such. One thing I have noticed over the years, is that the elderly, who expect and do much less with and from their phones than myself, seem to have become the dominate user base. And yes, I do peek over shoulders just to see what platform different demographics are using. For me, Windows phone lasted a good couple months before going back to Android. I do not regret the experiment. But whatever they are planning with this surface phone, it had better be.... different in a good way. I will say this: I have a Windows 10 tablet. It is running a quad-core Cherry Trail with 4 gigs of ram. Quite simply, it is the best tablet experience I have ever had. It has a "tablet mode", but just using regular old Windows 10 on a tablet is pretty nice. Disclaimer: I own several tablets and they all have their uses (security cameras, persistent weather info, etc...) but my next favorite tablet is my Amazon Fire. It is simply the best for content consumption. It plays in my shop all day. I do not expect this post to be popular.

      I completely agree, I have a Windows 8 tablet with a 10" screen, a low-power atom processor and 2gb of ram. I run it in Classic shell mode 99% of the time. It was less than $400 new, and is lacking performance, but is still the best tablet experience I have ever had. It's too bad that Microsoft hasn't figured out how to make a decent platform for a screen. Backwards compatibility with the x86 ecosystem is the best Microsoft feature and their phone OS doesn't have it. If they had a classic shell mode with x86 compatibility (by emulation or otherwise) on a Windows phone, I would probably buy it. It looks from some old news stories last fall that the new Windows Phone OS might get x86 emulation. Maybe they can pull it off. But they will probably fall on their face again somehow.

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  16. Stupid Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Normal phones don't have enough wear and tear. So Microsoft's big idea is to let people fold and unfold it, so the user will eventually break it and they'll have to buy another.

  17. just sayin' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    unique != better

  18. all I am reading by Tsolias · · Score: 1

    Is Don't care building A Don't care 'Don't care' Don't care?

  19. Old saying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There's an old saying that whenever a headline on the internet is a question, the answer is "no".

    But it's not true.

    In this case, the answer is "who cares?"

  20. Yawn by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2

    "Is Microsoft Building A Foldable 'Surface' Phone?"

    Who gives a shit what Microsoft is dabbling in this month?

    If they ever manage to launch it and it fails to penetrate the market like their last 50 attempts at a phone, they'll discontinue it, fire the teams, and move on to the next clusterfuck.

    Besides, Samsung is already demoing some foldable phones that look quite interesting. If I was going to bet on Microsoft or Samsung in the phone market, I'd bet on Samsung every time. People actually use their phones.

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    1. Re:Yawn by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Who gives a shit what Microsoft is dabbling in this month?

      Everyone, because every little fart that Microsoft releases on the market seems to have long repercussions in the industry.

    2. Re:Yawn by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Everyone, because every little fart that Microsoft releases on the market seems to have long repercussions in the industry.

      Not really. After a long string of failures they've lost the power to rock the industry like they once did.

      The Zune didn't and neither did the Windows phone.
      Microsoft Kin sank without a trace.
      Microsoft Bob never went beyond the "look-at-this-stupid-shit" stage.
      Windows Mobile - scooped up 0.7% of the market. AWESOME.
      Windows RT- It died so quietly no one knew it was ever alive.
      The Nokia acquisition: it did nothing but waste billions and cost thousands of jobs.

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  21. Pretty much ... by PPH · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... every Microsoft entry into the phone market has folded.

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    1. Re: Pretty much ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thats one place you kind of expect it though more than anywhere else smart phone that is.

  22. Auto fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any new phone Microsoft make will fail.
    Most people can't see past Windows DESKTOP lockin, but they sure as hell walk elsewhere for their phones.
    I mean, who wants MS desktop level telemetry ON THEIR PHONE??

  23. ok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it may look continous but would touch work there. kind of a neat way to do a clam design for smart phone though. be cool to see the details and the way they design it.

  24. At last! by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    The Windows phone users want this bad.
    Both of them.

  25. Long Game by lowkeyknight · · Score: 2

    Microsoft is getting all the niggles out of a universal OS across tablets, PC's, Consoles and phones right now. Sure the phones are taking the hit at the moment and the rest of the business is taking up the slack. But, they are gambling on getting everything integrated, usable and ubiquitous before everyone else as a result. Will it work... Dunno. But it's not a stupid strategy so long as most employers still use windows machines by the time they get it right.

    1. Re:Long Game by swb · · Score: 2

      I think you're right, but the missing element here is getting the entire ecosystem binary compatible between desktop and mobile. If you can do that and support docking the phone to KVM, you could potentially use desktop market dominance to subvert the mobile market.

      I've been a long-time iPhone user and see no reason to switch platforms, but I have been less compelled to upgrade from 6+ to newer hardware because of less than compelling hardware improvements, the headphone jack, etc.

      However, I have a Windows laptop and if MS could come out with a phone that could be docked to work like a laptop and be a phone, I might be swayed to switch mobile platforms.

      I think the stumbling block is probably the mobile SoCs not having enough horsepower to run x86 binaries in emulation and the feels-impossible nature of switching the desktop ecosystem to ARM to get binary compatibility. And convincing the hardware ecosystem to support a docking standard that makes docking a phone something less than an octopus of dongles.

      The ticking time bomb, IMHO, is the generational wave of kids who have literally all their life experience tied into iOS or Android. In about 10 years everyone under 30 will sociologically tied into those mobile platforms that almost no magic Microsoft can offer will change.

    2. Re:Long Game by lowkeyknight · · Score: 1

      I use the Lumia 950 and while it's not a laptop replacement by any means, or even a great phone *cough* battery life *cough* I reckon it's about 1 generation away from being a viable dock-and-work device for your usual business man type job. What it isn't any good for is all the optional extras you get from a laptop or tablet. I think the biggest problem with windows mobile devices at the moment is how frustratingly near to being usable they are in so many respects. But the evolution of the surface line gives me hope, if the app developers can be convinced to play.

    3. Re:Long Game by swb · · Score: 1

      It's a bigger uphill climb for Microsoft because there will be an expectation of x86 usability when docked, and x86 developers can't be bothered to target Windows mobile due to low adoption -- plus many corporate applications are pretty full stack x86 environment and if my experience with in-house application development is any sign, most places lack the bandwidth, horsepower and ability to crank out mobile versions of these apps.

      Docking mobile phones seems more obtainable to Android and Apple due to their closed ecosystems and fairly early consolidation around more portable dev environments and APIs. I would expect a Macintosh application to be much more easily ported to iOS. Plus these platforms can smell growth if they can sell docking devices to people who just don't care about x86 compatibility.

    4. Re:Long Game by lowkeyknight · · Score: 1

      Agreed, but my point is that their long game is to push towards convergence of windows mobile and windows. Their mobiles are just keeping the seat warm at the moment and Surface is serving as a test-bed until the hardware catches up with the aspiration. Microsoft's ultimate goal is for you to have one or more slabs to wander around with and a couple of slabs or boxes at home, all running the same OS with the same cloud account attached software. I don't know that it will work, timing and tech will be everything. But if they pull it off while most employers are still windows users, and loads of people have x-boxes... It might just happen.

  26. Wake me when it's done by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Microsoft, of all the companies out there, has a long, long history of vaporware, promising time and again a product they either never really planned to deliver or they delivered so late that you'd have been better off buying the competing model. Which is essentially what they want to keep you from doing: Don't buy Brand X now, because MS has the same product out Really Soon Now (tm).

    If they ever delivered, then usually by buying out Brand X as soon as they were on the verge of bankruptcy because people waited for MS to deliver.

    Sorry, MS, I don't care anymore what you announce. Put up or shut up.

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    1. Re:Wake me when it's done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The funny thing is they never announced anything related to Surface Phone. People who love the brand just assumed Microsoft would use it, and that it would sell billions of units. Nadella *did* say something like they didn't want to make just another phone, that *if* they made a *device* they'd want it to be category defining, and the fans took that to mean that they were obviously working hard on it. There was no indication from MS that they were working on it (almost as if they haven't been), so the fans took any pathetic hint they could find as confirmation. Some 3-year-old patent describes possible phone tech? Surface Phone confirmed! etc.

      I guess then that Microsoft has become so consistent with vaporware announcements, that they don't even need to make the announcements any more. People will just assume that they're working on similar advanced Soon (tm) technology. It doesn't matter that that tech never arrives, because the next thing they're working on after that is even more miraculous!

    2. Re:Wake me when it's done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... it's like "We don't want to make another phone that's not going to succeed." ---> "Microsoft working hard on next phone with new strategy to guarantee success."

  27. a question for you... by gosand · · Score: 1

    A serious question - what kind of phone do you have?

    I have known one person who had a Windows phone. One. I don't know anyone anymore who has a blackberry. Well, my son does. It's my old one from work that I had 5 years ago, he uses it as a pretend phone. Everyone talks about physical keyboards, but I could do no better on that than I can on my Android phone.

    I would actually love for there to be alternatives. And I think that is what we have with Android. Not alternative OS, but alternative providers. Who provides Windows phones? Who provides iPhones? See the difference? Now if Google takes Android fully into their castle, that is when alarms should sound.

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  28. Re:yay, the've patented and invented the flip phon by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

    There's not going to be an amazing new Microsoft foldable phone.

    There's going to be an amazing Microsoft patent, so that anyone who actually makes a foldable phone has to pay Microsoft.

    ...which will be the Jitterbug phone for old folks, and ..who?

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  29. They only build a single phone by stooo · · Score: 1

    Q: Is Microsoft Building A Foldable 'Surface' Phone?
    A: Probably yes. But they will not build a second unit, due to their current market share of 1 device.

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  30. Motto by sanf780 · · Score: 1

    Slashdot, (not) news for nerds. Stuff that doess (not) matter.