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Elon Musk Launches Neuralink To Connect Brains With Computers (businessinsider.com)

At Recode's conference last year, Elon Musk said he would love to see someone do something about linking human brains with computers. With no other human being volunteering, Mr. Musk -- who founded PayPal and OpenAI, thought of Hyperloop, is working on a boring company, and runs SpaceX, TeslaX, SolarCity -- is now working on it. From a report on WSJ: Internal sources tell the WSJ that the company, called Neuralink, is developing "neural lace" technology that would allow people to communicate directly with machines without going through a physical interface. Neural lace involves implanting electrodes in the brain so people could upload or download their thoughts to or from a computer, according to the WSJ report. The product could allow humans to achieve higher levels of cognitive function. From WSJ's report (paywalled): The founder and chief executive of Tesla and Space Exploration Technologies Corp.has launched another company called Neuralink Corp., according to people familiar with the matter. Neuralink is pursuing what Mr. Musk calls "neural lace" technology, implanting tiny brain electrodes that may one day upload and download thoughts. Mr. Musk didn't respond to a request for comment. Max Hodak, who said he is a "member of the founding team," confirmed the company's existence and Mr. Musk's involvement.

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  1. Actual article by daveschroeder · · Score: 3, Informative

    Original article: https://www.wsj.com/articles/e... (WSJ paywall)

    Other coverage: http://www.businessinsider.com...

  2. Thanks, but no thanks. by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We can't even secure our non-brain-connected computers, devices, vehicles, etc, from outside intrusion, why in the world would I want to open the door for someone to hack my brain through a computer? Thanks, but no thanks. I'll leave my brain standalone and air-gapped from computers and the internet. The last thing anyone needs is some script-kiddie deciding to brick someone's head for the lulz. Also this would potentially redefine what a 'botnet' is. Nope, nope, nope.

    1. Re:Thanks, but no thanks. by Spy+Handler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You wouldn't get your brain hacked, that's silly. It would just be a better version of the currently existing human interface (keyboard input, VGA output).

      If your desktop gets hacked, you don't worry about someone hacking your fingers or eyeballs, do you? Well with this brain interface if your computer gets hacked, the worst thing would happen is that the hacker would beam annoying images directly to your brain (instead of displaying it on your VGA monitor) and maybe fuck around with your keyboard mappings so your brainwave commands to the computer don't work properly.

      Solution to a hacked PC would be to disconnect it from your brain electrode and de-hack your PC manually, or get another PC.

      Hopefully the connection from PC to your brain would be wireless, so a hacker can't actually zap your brain with electrical voltage. But even if it's wired, you could put a good mechanical fuse or circuit breaker in between the PC and your brain so only tolerable voltages are ever transmitted.

    2. Re:Thanks, but no thanks. by flink · · Score: 2

      You wouldn't get your brain hacked, that's silly. It would just be a better version of the currently existing human interface (keyboard input, VGA output).

      There is evidence that the right kind of sensory input can damage, or at least rewire, your brain. Look up the McCollough Effect. I imagine that once we understood the visual cortex well enough to be injecting images directly into our optic nerve, we might be able to figure out more nefarious memetic hazards.

    3. Re:Thanks, but no thanks. by losfromla · · Score: 3

      You wouldn't get your brain hacked, that's silly. ...

      Well with this brain interface if your computer gets hacked, the worst thing would happen is that the hacker would beam annoying images directly to your brain (instead of displaying it on your VGA monitor) and maybe fuck around with your keyboard mappings so your brainwave commands to the computer don't work properly....

      Hopefully the connection from PC to your brain would be wireless, so a hacker can't actually zap your brain with electrical voltage. But even if it's wired, you could put a good mechanical fuse or circuit breaker in between the PC and your brain so only tolerable voltages are ever transmitted.

      So, someone could put images directly into my brain? You do realize that most of our thoughts are images? If someone can control the images in your mind, you are effectively under their control. Schizophrenics complain about the images, also the voices, they do dangerous violent things because of these influences. Not as benign and lulzy as you make it out to be.

      A brain zap could be used as reinforcement when planting commands and reinforcing ideas, it would not have to go beyond the tolerable level to have a reinforcing effect. Something like in "A Clockwork Orange", only all remote with electric zaps and pushed in images. Bad shit, definitely.

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  3. Can you say 20+ years out? by JoeMerchant · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Kudos for starting, but it's a long long road from reading electrical signals from implanted electrodes to:

    A) an implant that you would actually want to live with in normal life (relatively free of complications, side effects, long life, replaceable when it malfunctions, etc.)

    B) a quality of communication that exceeds simple demonstration of concept low bandwidth gimmicks

    These types of bio-electrical neural-computer interfaces are starting to bear fruit for the profoundly blind, deaf, and amputees - cases where they have nothing and anything is an infinite improvement. Moving from that (today's) stage to improvement over normal function will take decades of development, and investors who don't care for much resembling profits or ROI in the meantime. Patents they might file today will likely expire before the patented idea generates any profits.

    Again, kudos for starting, we've already got the Hollywood take on what this tech might do, and we can tell from our (currently crude) cellphone interfaces to the web what a small sliver of the potential could be. It will be awesome when it gets here - but I might require major advances in life extension if I'm going to see it get "better than normal."

    1. Re:Can you say 20+ years out? by JoeMerchant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A "lace" brain-machine interface is just a bunch of electrical potential pickups, with all the same drawbacks as any other implanted electrode. Real science isn't bullshit, and it's not a cartoon-world either, bio-material interfaces are messy, problematic, and prone to all sorts of failures.

  4. Full report in Google Doc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful
  5. Re:Self-contradictory by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

    I suspect by physical interface they mean something you interact with physically, rather than directly - ie you push buttons with your fingers on a keyboard, you receive images via a monitor that converts them into photons, etc. It's awkward language, but I'm not sure there's a "correct" way beyond calling the brain link something awful like "really, really, direct."

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  6. Re:Bullshit by JoeMerchant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm saying that DARPA is more shadow than substance, they take ideas from people like Musk (who publishes them willingly in press releases) as well as people like academics seeking grant money. They repackage the ideas that interest them, then float them back on the market fishing for people who will write deeper proposals along those lines. For every 10 proposals directly targeted at DARPA RFPs, delivered by people with legitimate ability to deliver, DARPA might fund one - and I think they do it as often to stimulate further thinking in the field (incentivising those who did not get the grant) as they expect actual genuine progress out of their regular cadre of grant recipients.

    DARPA is not a giant skunkworks of advanced research prototypes that have cartoon-like powers, it's a bunch of paper-pushers seeking other peoples' ideas, rarely developing them beyond tiny pilot programs. Like the corporate world, they'll get one solid hit every rare interval, but most of the time it's just a finger on the pulse of what's percolating at the edge of tech development.

  7. Re:Well it is in one respect by haruchai · · Score: 2

    Elon Musk is clearly easily bored.

    Starts cool things, but moves on to something else on a whim. Are investment analysts going to consider this a risk for his current main companies?

    That's quite the overstatement. He's been helming SpaceX and Tesla for nearly 15 years. He does seem to have a restless intellect but that doesn't make him flighty

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  8. Elon Musk is an alien by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I read somewhere about a theory that Elon Musk is actually an alien stranded on Earth and he's trying to advance human civilization to the point where he can build a spaceship and return to his home. I'm beginning to believe it.