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GameStop To Close At Least 150 Stores Due To Poor Q4 Sales (nintendowire.com)

GameStop announced last week that it will be closing more than 150 of its stores globally due to "weak sales of certain AAA titles and aggressive console promotions by other retailers." The chain also mentioned it "anticipates that it will close between two percent to three percent of its global store footprint" in 2017. Nintendo Wire reports: The Q4 window is often the high point of video game sales, yet despite the launch of new hardware in the PlayStation 4 Pro and a few major releases, it wasn't enough in the company's eyes. Despite this, GameStop still plans on opening 100 stores in 2017 which will likely focus more on non-gaming business, such as the Spring Mobile brand and vinyl collectibles. GameStop CEO Paul Raines said in a statement: "The video game category was weak, particularly in the back half of 2016, as the console cycle ages. Looking at 2017, Technology Brands and Collectibles are expected to generate another year of strong growth, and new hardware innovation in the video game category looks promising." You can view GameStop's 2016 earnings report here.

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  1. Just the start by Quakeulf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Even if they manage to move into other areas of commerce successfully they will still have to close a lot more stores over the next years or else face a full bankruptcy.

    1. Re: Just the start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I went to buy a pre-owned game there and it was 29.99 and brand new it was 9.99 on Amazon. (Shadows of Mordor PS4)

    2. Re:Just the start by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      just 2 days ago i went out to find a used PS3 (brother in law gave me a few dozen games but his system broke) went to the 2 game stops in my area (only about 1 mile apart, one in the mall other in a strip mall) they wanted 180 bucks for a 160 gig slim model. went to this place called CEX in my mall which seems pretty much like what funcoland used to be, and got the 250 gig slim model for 90 bucks.

      gamestop will never survive on its model, they give you pennies on a trade in and keep the resale way to high on used games.

      another time i remember trading a used AAA game in and got maybe 10 bucks for it, only to see them selling it used for 56.99, new 64.99. The place is horrible for gamers

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    3. Re:Just the start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am surprised that company has lasted as long as it has. I guess those massive mark ups really add up.

      The district managers are always doing the scam dance hustle. They treat their staff horribly. Granted retail jobs suck but this the hustle types take pride in taking scum bag methods to a whole new level and it has been going on for decades.

      Over the years I would frequent store locations and would see the tired desperate look in the store staff eyes. Most staff were decent but they were placed in such impossible situations of conflicting directives. An order would go out to reshelve entire walls of the store only to be berated later for doing it and told to put it back.

      Over those years I have frequented less and less and only going in to browse some while waiting for a nearby food take out order. Awhile back they had this initiative where they required for customers to "sign in". A store staff person would be there with a wifi connected tablet. I found it to be too invasive and asked to opt out but the staff person was required to ask me to do the check in.

      I ended up leaving as I mentioned that there will be no promos or coupons for me so there is no point for me to check in. They have had a loyalty program for years with their gamestop points system but most of their stuff wish chinsy cheap knock off stuff. I could just go directly to thinkgeek and get something a bit better quality without all the hassle heh.

      I will miss the stores when they shut down, I feel it is part of our gamer history, I remember the Electronic Boutiques, Babbages, Compusa, Computer City and others. I guess it is part of the move to the digital world but not having a physical presence feels like something is lost.

    4. Re: Just the start by Desler · · Score: 1

      I just looked on Gamestop's and you are comparing a used GoTY edition to the older, non-GoTY edition. Hardly apples to apples.

    5. Re: Just the start by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      You're paying for the privilege of them stocking it on their shelf after they paid the seller $2 for it.

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    6. Re:Just the start by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      GameStop rely on people constantly trading. You never pay cash for stuff, you always trade something in whole or trade+cash. So yeah, their used stuff is overpriced, but they also give you over the odds for your trade-ins too, and in the end as long as you keep trading it's not too bad.

      Obviously doesn't work for people who want to occasionally buy something with cash and don't sell their old games, but the kids prefer to just keep trading.

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    7. Re:Just the start by VanGarrett · · Score: 2

      I've generally stopped shopping there, altogether. I have two fundamental complaints. First of all, if I'm paying the premium to get a new copy, I need to receive that game disc in a factory-sealed case. Unless it's a brand new title, it's usually tucked away in that drawer the cashier has behind the counter, which makes it indistinguishable from a used copy; I'm still not convinced that they aren't trying to sell used copies as new. The second thing, is that they are required ridiculously to push their loyalty program. I don't want to subscribe to that magazine, and I'm not keen on buying used games, which makes the membership an entirely useless waste of money, to me. Beyond that, when you decline a loyalty program offer at any other retailer, they drop the subject and just continue with the sale. At GameStop though, declining the offer gets you another ten minutes added to the sale, of the cashier asking you why you don't want it. Should I ever set out to make a purchase there again, should the harassment begin, I'll threaten to cancel my purchase, should the harassment continue.

    8. Re:Just the start by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      I found my CEX paid more out than gamestop (and charged less for the used games)

      also i am more of a collector than a gamer. I play but im not the target demographic for the gamestop type. I buy a game, generally i keep the game and i want it new not used (or at least if i buy used i want the original case not just a sleeve)

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    9. Re: Just the start by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      Doesn't matter because you can get a NEW GOTY edition for $20 at Amazon, which is still cheaper than the used one at Gamestop.

    10. Re:Just the start by mlts · · Score: 1

      GameStop used to survive when one paid $50 for a game, sold the game for $5, and the used game had the same content as the original. However, with the combination of DLC, having to have the CD and have the game registered under your account, and so on, a game might cost $250, all said and done. There isn't any real point for a used buyer to buy it, since the used media will be at $45.00, the new game will be $50, and there is still $150 of DLC that has to be purchased before the game is anywhere usable, much less playable with others.

      There is also the fact that people are PC gaming more often. PCs may not have the ability to just plug and play like a console, but GOG, Steam, and MS Store games are relatively cheap, one can back them up fairly easily, and there is a wide selection. Why go to a used game store to pick up a game when you can order it and be playing at home?

    11. Re:Just the start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > There is also the fact that people are PC gaming more often.

      I don't really believe that, at least not for all values of "PC gaming". I'd certainly count someone grabbing a 20-60 dollar game on Steam in the same bucket as someone grabbing a 20-60 dollar game on PC. But for many people, the PC, the phone, and the tablet are all platforms where you can grab a bunch of 0 dollar games and play them for as long as that person feels like playing games. The fact that some games cost 5-10 dollars are for games they really like. These folks wouldn't be gamers by any standard twenty years ago, and very few ten years ago, but they count now, and there's plenty of them....

      But are they *gamers*, in the sense we've been using the term for years? Not really. They are in a strict sense, but it isn't the same thing.

      I'll also point this out: it isn't just PCs that offer online stores these days, with many AAA titles being available for download and local storage on most console platforms. This, combined with the totally valid point about DLC you made, is definitely hurting brick and mortar, especially a one-trick pony like gamestop.

      For my part, I find there's less and less stuff I want at gamestop. They've almost abandoned specialty hardware, which is a big reason I would go to a store that specializes in it. When I wanted a Steam controller, only one store in town had it, and it was super far away. I just ordered it online. They are still great at getting you a launch title immediately, but a midnight launch party is really obnoxious compared to just having it installed and ready to go (another screw turned by the gaming companies- Gamestop is still getting you the game as soon as they can). Overall, going there to browse games is normally much lamer than doing so online as well. If you want instant gratification, your console, PC, or phone has something that will download right away. If you are seeking a specific thing, you can do that research online, and then you MIGHT go to gamestop immediately, or you MIGHT be able to download it, or you MIGHT buy it from Amazon and have it show up in a couple days for less hassle and the same (or less) money. That's a much fainter market spot than before.

    12. Re:Just the start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm glad I haven't had those experiences when I go to the GS store nearby.

      Granted I never trade any games in or buy used, and I don't go there often. Maybe 2 or 3 times a year.

    13. Re:Just the start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not into console gaming (The PC is a much better gaming platform!), but some friends of mine are (and some used to be). They have avoided Gamestop for years for the very reason stated above. Gamestop pays pennies on the dollar for the used games, then sells them for very nearly the new price! Same with the consoles and accessories!

      Console gaming is starting to die anyway, as people figure out that the new game that they just bought is a vastly over-hyped, thinly veiled remake of an old game.

    14. Re:Just the start by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      We can only hope the company dies in a fire, including all the executives.

  2. most of the US chain stores by turkeydance · · Score: 4, Informative

    had a bad 2016 and are closing significant locations or liquidating. link: http://dealnews.com/features/W...

    1. Re:most of the US chain stores by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LIES! The Economy is BOOMING. BTFD.
      The Recession is a meme. Just look at these numbers. This Chart! WOOOOSSSH!! How can you not buy that.
      You just didn't work hard enough.

    2. Re:most of the US chain stores by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sad!

  3. Bestbuy owned you. by Narcocide · · Score: 2

    Should have stocked more Wii-U editions of the new Zelda, idiots. That's why BestBuy ate your lunch.

    1. Re:Bestbuy owned you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Exactly. My Gamestop got TWO copies of Zelda. What kind of genius do they have ordering this stuff?

    2. Re:Bestbuy owned you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2 Zeldas and 12 dozen stacks of used XBox 360's.

    3. Re:Bestbuy owned you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Should have stocked more Wii-U editions of the new Zelda, idiots. That's why BestBuy ate your lunch.

      To paraphrase GameStop: "Did you pre-order? If you pre-ordered, you'd have your copy by now. We can't sell you these two, they're being held for people that pre-ordered. Did you pre-order?"

    4. Re: Bestbuy owned you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's on purpose. GameStop makes pennies on selling new games, all their profit is in used games.

      However, they keep thinking that people will buy a used game when the new game they want is sold out...instead, they just don't come back.

    5. Re:Bestbuy owned you. by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      The same kind that decided a decade ago that PC games were no longer worth carrying. That having peripherals on site for sale was a bad idea. This isn't rocket surgery by any stretch, but no one there understands the market movements at all. It's pretty bad when walmart has a more in-depth PC gaming section(hardware and software) then a supposed game store.

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    6. Re: Bestbuy owned you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They also do that to push pre-order's; makes inventory management easier so you don't have too many unsold copies (I also wonder if they were trying to create artificial demand by making a title sound more popular than it is or something). I stopped going to Gamestop after finding for many new releases they only had enough copies for pre-orders; Best Buy across the street meanwhile had an entire display case full of copies. Whatever short term gain they were hoping for very much lost dozens of games I bought and didn't even bother looking there for.

    7. Re:Bestbuy owned you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In fairness, it was really odd that Gamestop got so few copies, and Best Buy got so many. Do we know that this was actually Gamestop's fault? Like did they just fucking not order it, or did Nintendo just not fill their order completely?

    8. Re:Bestbuy owned you. by ausekilis · · Score: 1

      They probably got more than that. Gamestop sold bundles to try and stop scalping. They've removed a few from their site, but they basically had a switch + zelda, or + splatoon, or + whateverothergame, or +2 games, or you could shell out $640 for the ultimate bundle.

      The thinking was that you have a sought-after $50-$60 game, if you force buyers to pay $300 for a system too, they are much less likely to dive in for the quick-and-easy profits off of a single game. Who knows if it worked, since the Switch was going for stupidly high prices on eBay too.

  4. More Misogyny & Violence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please.

    1. Re: More Misogyny & Violence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try Saudi Arabia, or your local Muslim ghetto.

  5. hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what ever happened to blockbusters. i know this is not rentingbut still even at retail stores and tech stors i see dvd's only at the check out line.

  6. Hot Titles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their only option is to start offering in-store interactive porn apps.

  7. "video game category was weak" by DrXym · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm sure it had nothing to do with Gamestop's terrible customer service, poor staff morale, product upselling, or the ripoff markup applied to everything in-store. It's so bad that you can frequently buy a brand new video game elsewhere for less than they're trying to palm off some second hand copy. I'm surprised they're even still in business. Same goes for CeX for that matter.

    1. Re:"video game category was weak" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CeX is literally a 2nd-hand retailer ... how is that 'palming off'? And I dunno about the US, but their customer service is amazing in the UK. Never had a problem with them on the very rare occasion that something's wrong with my order.

    2. Re: "video game category was weak" by pecosdave · · Score: 2

      Or having new copies of games cheaper than used with staff pleading with you to buy the used copy, for the points.

      That, and the "new" copy is opened.

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    3. Re:"video game category was weak" by CODiNE · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, ancient used players choice versions of popular Nintendo games selling for $20 gets on my nerves.

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    4. Re:"video game category was weak" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would consider registering just to upvote this.

    5. Re:"video game category was weak" by DrXym · · Score: 1
      CeX also sells used games for more money than they can be obtained brand new, just like Gamestop. They don't even have to worry about VAT on second hand sales so the margins are huge.

      And no they're not just 2nd hand. They can and do buy up stock of in-demand items and then sell them for a greatly inflated prices. They did this with PSVR and with Nintendo Switch. For example the Nintendo Switch which has an RRP of £280 is selling in their stores right now for £340.

    6. Re:"video game category was weak" by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      It might not actually: all that has been true of gamestop for years.

      When I worked there a decade ago, it was clear who their customer base was: idiot teens with no impulse control.

      me: "I can give you only $3 for this game, that's not even a tenth of the price of the game you're-"
      Kid: "gimmie!"

    7. Re:"video game category was weak" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you fucking shitting me, CEX's customer service is notoriously bad. Go look at their trustpilot page BEFORE they started astro-turfing it. Half the hardware they sell is broken, the other half is stolen.

    8. Re:"video game category was weak" by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      not in my store, most games were well below gamestop used prices and way below new. just got a ps3 there 2 days ago (first time shopping at one ftr)

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    9. Re:"video game category was weak" by DrXym · · Score: 1
      Below Gamestop prices != good value. Look at the price of best selling games in CeX versus Tesco, Sainsburys, Argos, Amazon etc. The second hand game in CeX retails for the same as the brand new game elsewhere. CeX even pay a reduced VAT on the difference between what they bought for and what they sold for too so they probably make higher margins than those other places too.

      I'm sure they have a surplus of old consoles and might sell them somewhat reasonable. It doesn't excuse the fleecing that is their main bread and potatoes. Look at the price of a Nintendo Switch next time you're passing the window.

    10. Re:"video game category was weak" by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      maybe its difference in the states vs where you are? we dont have a VAT so i cant speak on that. i can assure you that the cex is reasonably priced in my local store for those impulse buys, sure i can save a few ordering online, but when they sell a used game for 20 that new is 65 and used at gamestop is 55, its reasonable for an impulse buy. plus they still have vintage carts.

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    11. Re:"video game category was weak" by StormReaver · · Score: 1

      DrXym, you and I have had very different experiences at GameStop. The GameStop I use is staffed by very friendly people, and has reasonable prices for the used games I buy for my kids (most are $10 or less). I really hope that location doesn't close.

    12. Re:"video game category was weak" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      VAT is just the UK version of sales tax which I understand you guys still have on a varying per-state basis (albeit at a lower level).

    13. Re:"video game category was weak" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I trust you have evidence of the "stolen" part?

    14. Re:"video game category was weak" by DrXym · · Score: 1
      In the UK VAT is included to the retail price of items. So when Tesco sells Horizon: Beyond Dawn brand new for £44 it includes 20% or £8.80 of tax so its effectively only £35.20 them. Their profit is £35.20 less costs and the wholesale price. So if the wholesale price was £30, their profit less costs is £5.20.

      Meanwhile CeX sell the Horizon: Beyond Dawn USED for £44. They bought it from someone for £29. They only pay a reduced VAT of 16.67% on the £15 buy / sell margin so the VAT is £2.50 and therefore their profit less costs is £12.50.

      This is why its so egregious. CeX are making obscene margins from selling used games and not even having the good grace to offer a discount on them vs brand new in other places. I'd agree overall they're slightly better than Gamestop (and GAME) but only slightly and that's damning with faint praise since these other outlets are pulling the same con.

      I don't know how CeX prices stuff in the US but I wouldn't be surprised if there were tax codes that benefited the sale of second hand goods there too.

  8. You know iD Software has you in their grip... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... when the sales of Quake 4 makes or breaks your company.

    1. Re:You know iD Software has you in their grip... by Quakeulf · · Score: 1

      I wish I had the mod points now because this deserves to be voted up.

    2. Re:You know iD Software has you in their grip... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Quake 4 was developed by Raven Software, not Id.

  9. Risking off topic Karma but. by Dusanyu · · Score: 1

    Can someone please explain this term "Triple-A" i see this term being tossed around in games like a hot potato, however goggling it i find no real concrete definition. Is this just marketroid speech?

    1. Re:Risking off topic Karma but. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAA_(video_game_industry)

    2. Re:Risking off topic Karma but. by Quakeulf · · Score: 1

      Triple ayy just means that a lot of money was invested in the production of the game, and it also has a sufficient marketing effort.

    3. Re:Risking off topic Karma but. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AAA games are games made by one of the well known "big budget", albeit not always well spent budget, game studios/publishers like EA or Ubisoft or Bethesda etc. It used to denote an expected quality but it's kind of a roll of the dice either way.

    4. Re:Risking off topic Karma but. by gravewax · · Score: 1

      It just means large budget games by the large development houses. typically with budgets in the 10's of millions of dollars and large promotional/advertising budgets as well

    5. Re:Risking off topic Karma but. by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      If you see it advertised on TV its more than likely AAA. If the game is concerned with being good more than looking good it's probably not.

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    6. Re:Risking off topic Karma but. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The majority of game adverts I see on TV have "Not actual gameplay" in tiny text at the bottom of the screen.
      To me that says it all, how bad does the game have to be that they won't show the actual frigging game ?

    7. Re:Risking off topic Karma but. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That just means the stuff they show in the ad can be different from what's eventually delivered and they won't get sued. It could be actual software running, but of a dev version and it could show features that get pulled before release (for whatever reason). If I were a game developing company these days I would stick that disclaimer on every single ad even if it IS actual gameplay from the final release, just to avoid the legal hassles. The majority of my customers won't care anyway.

    8. Re:Risking off topic Karma but. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Marketroid speech, it has no concrete definition, no regulated definition, and is completely subjective. I could call a text adventure I whipped up on my lunch break triple a if I wanted.

      The term needs to be banned from journalism. Anyone who uses it unironically can safely be ignored as they seriously think that you can make a good product by throwing piles of money at a bunch of monkeys.

  10. Winter is coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    between competition and the movement toward digital even in the console market it is only a matter of time till Gamestop dies, either that or they have to evolve significantly away from what is their current core business.

  11. They probably have more stores than they need by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

    Honestly, I've always thought it crazy just how many Game Stop stores there are. I live in a medium size town and could name 6 or 7 locations (many aren't even that far apart). I'm sure there are other locations here I'm not familiar with on the side of town I don't visit.

    Here at least, I don't think anyone would blink an eye if a couple of Game Stop stores went out of business, at worst you'd have to drive an extra mile to get to one.

    I almost never go to Game Stop though for two reasons:
    1) They've abandoned the PC. Even as more and more people turn to PC gaming- their PC selection becomes more and more laughable (not even sure if they still have one).
    2) They're ridiculously overpriced. Everything is so much more expensive than just buying from Steam, GOG or Greenman gaming. ... and that probably is the problem. Places like Steam allow you to browse that much easier, and Xbox has their own version, so does Playstation and Wii. It's just easier to shop online, and the demographic game-stop caters to probably don't like being in stores with people as much.

    It is so much nicer to have a box, and browse the wares than do it online, especially if you're just there anyway. It's a hassle to travel to if you're not going there anyway. Fix the price issue though and maybe I, and other customers might return.

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    1. Re:They probably have more stores than they need by FictionPimp · · Score: 4, Informative

      PC box game sales are dead man. Steam and GoG killed that years ago.

    2. Re:They probably have more stores than they need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And when you buy a box, it just has a steam code anyway (e.g. FO4)

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    3. Re:They probably have more stores than they need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They tried to be the pawn shop for games. With online purchases and downloads and games more tied to online connections that era is going away.

    4. Re:They probably have more stores than they need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That and since M$ is pushing everything into their own digital store they will be less willing to cut deals with Gamestop.

    5. Re:They probably have more stores than they need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THIS time the Windows Store won't be a complete failure, I just know it! Just a little more anticompetitive chicanery combined with a firm belief that our customers are every bit as docile and clueless as Apple's and it'll all work out.

    6. Re:They probably have more stores than they need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My city has a relatively small shopping mall. There are TWO Game Stop stores in it.

    7. Re:They probably have more stores than they need by GonzoPhysicist · · Score: 1

      They could still sell hardware. Gaming peripherals are a big market these days.

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    8. Re:They probably have more stores than they need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you're going out pick up some eggs

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    9. Re:They probably have more stores than they need by xlsior · · Score: 1

      Yet somehow the PC game section at Walmart is ten times the size of the PC gaming section at gamestop...

  12. Good, I hope they close them all by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Gamestop was dead to me when they stopped carrying vintage games. They took over that market and then just left it suddenly. I hope they close all their stores so they stop fucking with our games.

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    1. Re:Good, I hope they close them all by sheramil · · Score: 1

      Gamestop was dead to me when they stopped carrying vintage games.

      Gods below, can you imagine what a nightmare it would be trying to support vintage games? I've never been in a Gamestop store before, so I don't know what their support policy is, but imagine trying to explain to someone why the copy of Quake I they bought won't run under Windows 10.

      Vintage games? that's what GoG is for.

    2. Re:Good, I hope they close them all by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Gods below, can you imagine what a nightmare it would be trying to support vintage games? I've never been in a Gamestop store before, so I don't know what their support policy is, but imagine trying to explain to someone why the copy of Quake I they bought won't run under Windows 10.

      Sigh. You might think of Gamestop as a PC game retailer today, but that's because you are a child. When I started going to Gamestop, the PC game section didn't even merit a wall. It was just a little bit of free-standing display. In fact, I was going to Funcoland before they were bought out by Gamestop.

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    3. Re:Good, I hope they close them all by RazorSharp · · Score: 1

      I think he's talking about PS1, N64, etc. To the best of my knowledge, Gamestop never carried used PC games.

      Of course, carrying those vintage cartridge/disc games would be difficult in its own way. All the Gamestop stories I've been in were fairly small and just didn't have the room to stock all those vintage games.

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    4. Re:Good, I hope they close them all by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Of course, carrying those vintage cartridge/disc games would be difficult in its own way. All the Gamestop stories I've been in were fairly small and just didn't have the room to stock all those vintage games.

      Bollocks. They just don't take up that much space, because they simply ditched the cases for the oldest games and used only envelopes. They didn't put the cases on the wall, you'd just have to ask about stock. That was what got me to come in the door, the saturn games. Then I'd wind up buying other stuff. Now, I don't go in the door.

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    5. Re:Good, I hope they close them all by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      funcoland was by far the best game store ever

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    6. Re:Good, I hope they close them all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I went to Electronics Boutique for my C-64 games and Babbage's for my Amiga games. Child indeed.

    7. Re:Good, I hope they close them all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Babbages ftw

    8. Re:Good, I hope they close them all by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      funcoland was by far the best game store ever

      They had by far the best hiring ever. The manager of my local store was a hardcore gamer.

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  13. It takes 5m just to get a word in when you call by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because they have to spew that paragraph of marketing garbage every time they pick up the phone.

  14. I did it by HideyoshiJP · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I did it. Best Buy had a better PS4 deal than GameStop this holiday season. I did pick up a number of used games from them, so it didn't end completely badly for them. Gamers Club Unlocked means I'll keep coming back to Best Buy, since I'm not an Amazon prime member.

    1. Re:I did it by SScorpio · · Score: 1

      Gamers Club Unlocked beats Prime's only get the 20% off discount within the first two weeks of release.

      Amazon does occasionally have a Prime exclusive sale price now and then. But wait a week or two and it will be that price at Best Buy and GCU will make it even lower.

  15. GOOD. Close them ALL... by Zurkeyon3733 · · Score: 0

    GameStop is notorious for terrible pay, terrible employee treatment, unreasonable sales goals, complete ignorance of what gamers want, and just generally not making good decisions in regards to making customers happy at all. People are voting with their dollars... Gamestop has created a terrible and toxic environment for its employees, and DESERVES its fate. Each and Every GS Executive is Guilty of the Crime of Avarice and Ignorance. The Result is what you See here... 150 Stores will become MANY more in 2017. If you own stock in this company, the time to sell is now :-)

  16. High margin used games + greed killed the pig. by netsavior · · Score: 2

    It is ironic that a program called circle of life is what is accelerating the natural death of the brick and mortar game store. Since used games are nearly 100% profit, and new games are closer to 20% profit, stores were given quotas in terms of the percentage of total sales dollars that needed to be from used merchandise. These quotas all but forced employees to lie about stock, and to discourage sales of lower margin items.

    When you put your employees in a position where a 0 dollar customer transaction is less likely to put their job in jeopardy than a 500 dollar transaction, you dun fucked up your business model.

    1. Re:High margin used games + greed killed the pig. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Management thoughts: instead of selling this new game at 20%, we will sell this old game at 100% and make 80% more profits.

      Employee: The customer wants this new game but that will hurt my metrics, sorry customer we are sold out.

      result 0% profit.

  17. Game Stop is like RadioShack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Game Stop is like RadioShack. I only go there if I absolutely must have something right away. I do appreciate the fact that I can do that but online is way cheaper and has more selection. I'm not sure a business can survive with that type of customer.

    I mean RadioShack sells $0.25 Chinese relays for $6. What the actual fuck! I mean I can understand going with the cheap stuff because that's what people want but then they keep their crazy markup. In other words, they're lowering quality to increase their profit instead of making their prices cheaper. Idiots!

    1. Re:Game Stop is like RadioShack by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      If I want it right away I download it from Steam over my 50Mbps connection. Usually I get it much faster than driving to the mall and back.

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    2. Re:Game Stop is like RadioShack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kind of hard to download a new Kinect or controller over Steam... which is the type of stuff I was talking about. No point going to GS for games.

    3. Re:Game Stop is like RadioShack by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      This is true. Although I've never really seen myself in a situation where I need a new game controller RIGHT NOW. Usually Amazon 2nd day delivery works for me. Overnight is a bit more expensive but still cheaper than my time/driving to the mall. But yeah you have a point. Maybe. I play PC games. Keyboard is all I need :P

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  18. Ask a car dealer how it works... by Baron_Yam · · Score: 2

    They put their EVERYTHING into selling you a new car, but the real profit comes 2-3 years in when you start needing wear parts replaced and again a few years later for more serious service.

    Gamestop didn't learn that lesson. You HAVE to push the new stuff to keep the used stuff happening. They decided to be parasitic instead of symbiotic and the host (the console companies) adapted by switching to online rentals.

    It's a shame, because it could have been a very profitable model for building a customer base by making younger gamers able to afford more (but older games) so they're more likely to spend on the new stuff when they're older and have more income.

    OTOH, the big guys are greedy enough they probably would have fought the resale market regardless. Maybe Gamestop was just a short-term business model from the get-go.

    1. Re:Ask a car dealer how it works... by TJ_Phazerhacki · · Score: 1

      WTF are you even talking about? New car dealers have agreements on inventory cost with manufacturers (or those mfgr's intermediaries), and make profit based on the difference between the floor cost and the sale price (if they do their own financing) or the price of the loan sold to a 3rd party. It's an incredibly convoluted system that involves insurance on floor inventory, cash incentives to the dealer to move product, and upsells (think undercoating, but more modern wording.) If the dealer also moves preowned product, there are even more variations based on CPO agreements, acquisition cost (trade in vs auction vs inventory swapping with other dealers.) Sure, the parts and service department represents a different revenue stream, but if you think that the dealer expects to see any revenue in parts 3 years after someone buys a car new, you are insane. It's an almost entirely different revenue stream, it just may happen to be housed in the same building.

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  19. The end of living and the beginning of survival by puddingebola · · Score: 1

    Retailers who do not have an online strategy for delivering media to the masses will be out of business.

    1. Re:The end of living and the beginning of survival by tepples · · Score: 1

      An online strategy works only where Internet connections support a high enough traffic volume. A store like GameStop might do better in an Internet desert where the home ISP choice is between 10 GB/mo satellite and 10 GB/mo fixed cellular.

  20. Pre order nonsense by aoism · · Score: 1

    I went to a GameStop to buy Super Smash Brothers Brawl. I waited in a midnight release line of about 20 people, for an hour. Once I got to the front and said I would like a copy, the guy asked 'Did you preorder?'. I said of course not -- else why would I be waiting in a line for the store to open if I had a guaranteed copy. He said 'Sorry we only give out pre orders for new releases'. I asked him to clarify that they did not order any copies for regular customers, and he said they did not, and I could come by some time in a week when they would have copies to sell. I went home and to bed, woke up at 8am, and bought a copy at BestBuy with no wait or pre order nonsense, and that became the last time I ever went in to a GameStop.

    1. Re:Pre order nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, I just don't get the "have to have it the day it comes out" mindset. Maybe because I generally only game on the weekends, so if I miss a weekend, no big deal, it'll keep. I just order from Amazon, 2-day free shipping, and it's all good, no muss, no fuss, and typically I can get "pre-order" discounts from Amazon Prime as well (last game was $51.53 vs. $59.99).

      Maybe I'm getting too old. It's been a while since I waited in line to see a movie at release midnight as well (5+ years). I only go for places where I can book the seats in advance, and just show up with my pass. More and more I don't even bother unless it is something I really want to see, because, well, Netflix or if I really want to own it Walmart on release day for cheap.

  21. We've already seen this play out three times by Solandri · · Score: 1

    First with music stores (e.g. Tower Records), then with video stores (mostly rental - e.g Blockbuster), then bookstores (B Dalton, Crown Books, Walenbooks). Frankly I'm surprised a brick and mortar video game store managed to hold out this long, given that that media was acknowledged as software to begin with. Music, movie, and book publishers mistakenly thought they were selling a physical product, and it took Internet piracy to make them realize they were selling software - a virtual product. There was no such misconception with video games.

    1. Re:We've already seen this play out three times by ausekilis · · Score: 1

      I actually like how things are playing out. When I was growing up the only used game stores were mom and pop type places, that usually had a handful of other things like anime posters, comics, and cards (pokemon, magic, etc...).

      Then Gamestop and EB came in and tried to take that model corporate. Which was kinda nice in the beginning because they actually had reasonable prices and trade-in values for used games. Then those guys started competing with the likes of eBay and Amazon (hell, even Best Buy). So they started putting profits first.

      And now the mom and pop places are still doing well with the resurgence of retro-gaming. I go to my local used game stores whenever I'm on the lookout for a particular SNES or Genesis game (okay, maybe n64 or ps2/3 as well....) and their staff is much more helpful. I haven't set foot in a Gamestop in years. Maybe it's because of what others have mentioned. New Game for $59.99, used version for $55. New at Best Buy for $50. Screw Gamestop.

  22. Internet activation killed PC games at GameStop by tepples · · Score: 1

    The same kind that decided a decade ago that PC games were no longer worth carrying.

    That was decided for GameStop when Valve introduced Steam. Before Steam was a download store for PC games, it was the Internet activation method for Half-Life 2. Once more PC game publishers adopted Internet activation, GameStop could no longer accept used PC games.

    1. Re:Internet activation killed PC games at GameStop by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      That was decided for GameStop when Valve introduced Steam. Before Steam was a download store for PC games, it was the Internet activation method for Half-Life 2. Once more PC game publishers adopted Internet activation, GameStop could no longer accept used PC games.

      You mean instead of leveraging their position with Valve, they decided to throw the baby out with the bathwater. And in turn, other companies filled the niche that gamestop left behind. Now those places that sell hardware and software are successful in doing so, while they're looking at the complete collapse of their business.

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  23. Family Video is still around by tepples · · Score: 1

    Redbox and DVD.Netflix happened to Blockbuster and Hollywood Video. This left Family Video as the biggest U.S. brick-and-mortar movie and game disc rental chain carrying older titles.

  24. Pre-orders backlash + Amazon Prime discount by FFOMelchior · · Score: 1

    A combination of two major factors. First off is the major pre-order backlash that's growing, which was further fueled this year by disappointing releases like Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, No Man's Sky, Street Fighter V, and others I'm sure I'm forgetting. The other factor is the Amazon Prime 20% discount for pre-orders AND newly released (within 2 weeks) games. Yes, that's right -- I can NOT pre-order, wait for the reviews to come out, then decide a week later, and STILL pay 20% than someone who ordered from GameStop. There's no drawbacks because the chance they'll "out of stock" (Ha! in this digital age?) is pretty unlikely because they're Amazon. So, unless I'm some fiddly obsessive who cares about collecting the special pre-order skins or starter gear that won't even matter after level 6, why would I pre-order from GameStop?

    1. Re:Pre-orders backlash + Amazon Prime discount by Teckla · · Score: 1

      First off is the major pre-order backlash that's growing, which was further fueled this year by disappointing releases like Deus Ex: Mankind Divided ...

      What didn't you like about Deus Ex: Mankind Divided? I played it and enjoyed it, and thought it was worthwhile even at $60. Steam tells me I played it for 49 hours; I consider a mere $1.22 per hour a good deal.

  25. Good by jason777 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Of course we all know their stores mostly sell used games. Recently I built a gaming PC and wanted GTA V for it. Searching online Gamestop.com had it cheapest at like $30 and said brand new on their website. Foolishly, I ordered it. It came a few days later, and the box for the game was so battered and ripped, and the game was clearly used. The discs were scratched. I was surprised it actually installed. I was pissed, but at least I was about to play the game. Until the game asked for the activation code. Looking in the box--- no code, actually not even any manuals or anything but the discs. Now I was pissed! So I initiated a return, and the customer service person said that I will be refunded, but MINUS THE SHIPPING!! Can you believe that? They sell me worthless discs, and I'm out money? The game + shipping was $38. Well, after they refused to refund shipping, I did a chargeback and the credit card handled the refund. Turns out, walmart had it in store for $39.99 fully brand new perfect, unopened, and most importantly had the activation code. F you gamestop.

  26. Player's Choice game going for $60+ by tepples · · Score: 1

    Oh yeah, ancient used players choice versions of popular Nintendo games selling for $20 gets on my nerves.

    If you're referring to used copies of the Player's Choice version of Super Smash Bros. Melee for Nintendo GameCube, it's probably demand from tourney[cigarettes]. A quick Google search shows it going for $60-$70 across multiple sellers.

    1. Re:Player's Choice game going for $60+ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a funny way of saying tourneyfag.

  27. Stop ripping people off... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I went to a game stop the other day to buy a used PS4 controller for use on my computer (for the few games that don't play well with a keyboard)... a new controller with a full warrant, pristine, clean, virgin was $60. A used one with no warranty outside of game stops shitty return policy was $55.

    Perhaps if they stopped fucking their customers they'd make some money. I hope they go under and the CEO ends up destitute, alone, and with a raging case of IBS.

  28. The Real 'WHY' by avandesande · · Score: 1

    People don't want to mess around with disks any more... and you end up having to download the whole thing anyway. People are just downloading games from PSN or the MS equivalent.

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  29. I'm not so sure it did by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    There just aren't a lot of games coming out if you don't count download only indies. Gamestop's built off used games. But if there's only 3-5 new games a month and more than half are shovelware with low resale values you're gonna hurt. Add to that most of the big releases are multi-player focused (Overwatch, Battlefield One, For Honor, Star Wars Battlefront) and that DLC is driving the industry (EA makes more off DLC than the original game sales). Also people play the same games a _lot_. For Honor is designed for about 5000 hours of play before everything unlocks (Ubisoft's getting flak for that).

    The game industry is changing and retailers are getting pushed out. I don't think there's really a solution to that.

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    1. Re:I'm not so sure it did by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, there's the Hollywood blockbuster level games (in terms of production cost and time) that take longer and longer between releases, reducing the number of good games and games in general of that caliber available per console, and the growing indie games market that is almost entirely download based. The field of indie games is more like what it was like before PS2/XBox. It was easier for smaller companies to make games and for larger companies to produce more quality games in a shorter time.

    2. Re:I'm not so sure it did by Raenex · · Score: 1

      There just aren't a lot of games coming out if you don't count download only indies. Gamestop's built off used games.

      Which has been a ridiculous model ever since eBay came about. Why sell a used game to GameStop for a pittance when you can sell it on the marketplace and get fair value? I remember when I sold some PS3 games years back and getting like half-price for them.

      Also sold the PS3 and got a good price as well, which was ridiculous because for a few bucks more the buyer could have gotten a newer model. I actually felt bad for the buyer on that one, but oh well.

  30. Agreed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems like there are as many as Subway or Starbucks. Really hope they shut many of them down. They put local and smaller chains out of business, ones that didn't have such a high markup on used games (one of the reasons they were able to expand so much and fast) and offered more variety.

  31. The death of malls doesn't help by bjdevil66 · · Score: 1

    I wonder how many GameStop's 150 store closures are in decaying malls, and the 100 new openings are just part of a relocation - despite the change in emphasis on their primary business model.

  32. Going, Going, Gone by sexconker · · Score: 2

    I was out at some shopping center recently and I walked into the Gamestop. About a third of the floorspace was dedicated to Funko Pop! vinyl figures and other such novelties that weren't video games. They also had a small, odd selection of movies. The whole thing puzzled me. If I want games I will buy them at Best Buy or Amazon where I get 20% off new titles. (Preferably Best Buy so I can walk into the store and pick it up on launch day instead of waiting for DHL or whoever the fuck to toss it at my door after 8 PM the day after launch despite Amazon's promised launch day delivery.)

    I still prefer physical titles because they can often be had for much less money, even at launch, and you have the ability to resell them. Any sort of physical goodies / collectibles are almost always tied to physical releases as well. Yes, it's slightly less convenient to switch discs/cartridges, but I only typically only play one game at a time unless people are over for multiplayer. Among 4 or more of us, I think someone will manage to switch between Mario Kart and Smash.

  33. Overdue but still sad by RubberDogBone · · Score: 1

    This has been long overdue for Gamestop. Too many stores, too many crappy policies and prices and too much hassle and upsell.

    But on the other hand, my ex girlfriend now works in a Gamestop and it's the first "real" job she's ever had and she is happy working there. It's the sort of happy she needs in her life at this point and I'd hate to see it taken away. No clue if her store will close or not. But even if not now, the writing is on the wall for the company.

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  34. The truth is they rent games at exorbitant prices. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their entire business model relies and buying and selling used games for a larger markup. It's to the point that they really don't want to deal with new games at all, which is probably why the under-order new games all the time. It's also why stores engage in shenanigans like claiming to have no new copies of games.

    Their entire business model is collapsing under the looming threat of cheap digital games.

  35. New consoles suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After spending as much as $50 / game, Sony and Microsoft think it's "ok" to make new consoles that won't play them.

    Okay. Then I think I won't buy new consoles and new games.

    Of course that means I don't go to Game Stop any longer either.

    And Game Stop's having financial problems.

    Huh.

    Imagine that.

  36. So which locations are closing? by JTD121 · · Score: 1

    Sucks that they are losing money on their brands. Whatever, I'm not an accountant or shareholder. What I would like, and can't find, is a list of locations that will be closing. Even on the official press release page, it just lists a bunch of the money figures and percentages of the quarter. Anyone have any sort of ETA on when that list will be available?

  37. The cycle continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and thus we have the millennial version of Blockbuster video

  38. Praise the local chains by valkyrie.freak · · Score: 1

    I remember when there were three of their stores within a mile of each other (not long after they bought out Electronic Boutique/EB Games). Two of those are closed now; ironically, the one furthest from the mall in the area survived... right by the "local" Wal-Mart. Anyhow, a big part of that I think was the opening of a local chain of stores that sold videogames.... and movies, and all sorts of electronics, along with miscellaneous goodies and the occasional import piece. Not just the latest and greatest, either -- they have old games for the NES, SNES, Genesis, GB/GBA, and more. Most of their stuff is second-hand (occasionally they sell new stuff, always below the "normal" 60$), but they actually give good turn-in values -- usually ~1/3rd of their retailing price -- and treat their customers like actual customers, not cashcows to be locked up and milked for all they're worth. One of my friends worked at one, and she enjoyed her time there from what she's told me. Basically, I just want to say that actually treating the people you're selling to (and those that work for you) like real human beings is STILL a viable business strategy. This should be obvious, but apparently it wasn't to Game$top's corporate bastards. I'll be surprised if they last another decade... though they just might, if Sony, M$, and especially Nintenduh don't get their acts together digitally and keep stumbling drunkenly about on their digital storefronts.

  39. twiple ayyyyy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can people stop using this completely meaningless term until it gets a strict industry definition?