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'Verified' Is Now a Derogatory Term on Twitter (theoutline.com)

From an article on The Outline: Since 2009, Twitter has added a blue checkmark symbol to certain accounts that have been deemed "verified," which means "that an account of public interest is authentic," according to Twitter. For some, the verified distinction is coveted. For others, it's become a dirty word. "Verifieds" or "blue checks" are the elite, the establishment. Since many members of the media are verified, they have also become associated, for some, with the perceived liberal bias of the fourth estate. Conservatives, alt-righters, and Donald Trump fans have noticed that when Trump tweets, there is invariably a flood of "blue check liberals" responding in a negative way. There is also the perception that Twitter, a California company, is biased toward liberals. Also, according to Twitter, there are now about 250,000 people who're verified on the site, some of which are for unknown reasons.

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  1. It's become derogatory? by OakDragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not widely. I've never heard of this.

    1. Re:It's become derogatory? by GWXerog · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The check-mark is there to say "Yep, this person is this person" and that's supposed to be it. However, we've seen twitter remove people's check-marks as some form of punishment in the past. That person's account has not been taken over, the legitimacy of the person is not being questioned, just the behavior. So why remove the check-mark?

    2. Re:It's become derogatory? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      So why remove the check-mark?

      Because whether the check-mark is meant to be seen as an endorsement, people do anyway.

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    3. Re:It's become derogatory? by GWXerog · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because whether the check-mark is meant to be seen as an endorsement, people do anyway.

      So now I can reasonably assume that anybody with a check-mark is seen as a good boy by twitter? So I can also assume the guy that tweets about white genocide and vomiting when he sees a uniformed service member being treated well is considered a good boy by twitter because he *still* has a check-mark?

    4. Re:It's become derogatory? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      So now I can reasonably assume that anybody with a check-mark is seen as a good boy by twitter?

      That would be stupid and unreasonable, so I can see why you would think that, but it's not what I said.

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    5. Re:It's become derogatory? by Triklyn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      i think his point was. if you adopt the role of mediating who is and who isn't deserving of a checkmark, dependent in part of your approval of their ideological position and not purely as a verification, per removal of check-marks putatively for behavior as a punitive measure, then you necessarily also adopt the responsibility of failing to moderate certain individuals.

      as someone else pointed out. if twitter wants to moderate its user's behavior so be it, but in doing so they jeopardize or sacrifice any claim they have to safe harbor as telecomms.

      you can't moderate your users and then claim to be a simple impartial facilitator of communication.

    6. Re: It's become derogatory? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      You need to go talk to Socrates.

      Does he have a blue checkmark?

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    7. Re:It's become derogatory? by sycodon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Before they banned Milo Y. they"unverified" him.

      So this either means that they believed someone had kidnapped him and was now posting in his name...

      or...

      The didn't like what he was saying, so they unverified him as a way to de-legitimize him.

      So which is it? Why would the "unverify" him?

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    8. Re:It's become derogatory? by cfalcon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      > Not widely. I've never heard of this.

      I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you.

      Seriously though, you should have.

      A couple years ago Twitter began revoking blue check marks from the trolly right wingers. Prior to this, the blue check mark just meant "this person is who they purport to be" with a twinge of "...and is important enough that we verified that fact". When they started revoking blue check marks, it added a new piece to it, "...and we editorially support what they say, in some fashion, because if we did not, we would have revoke their check mark".

      At this point, it was fully politicized, but it was not discussed that widely. But once Twitter had made this editorial decision to "demote" those whose views they disliked, but had broken no terms of service, the next logical question would be to select the second-most-trolly right winger and ask, well ok, why do THEY have a blue check still? Do you guys agree with them?

      This double meaning, and the twitter management wading into political debate, really hurts trust in their system*. There's also accusations of them handling political tweets that they disagree with differently- pushing them out to users at different times, claiming a tweet isn't found, etc. Unlike the blue check thing, which is very obviously top down policy, this one may just be a conspiracy theory (and maybe in fact just due to the fact that twitter's infrastructure is duct tape apparently). However, it's a lot more plausible than it was before they started doing this.

      Another semi-conspiracy is that the anti-Trump tweets that respond to every Trump tweet and are always listed at the top are, in some sense, "rigged". This one also can't be shown to be true, but again, is more plausible given the provable side twitter has taken.

      Basically, twitter not only has an agenda, but this has resulted in a bunch of claims that are plausible instead of laughable.

      *I don't exactly know why anyone ever assumed that twitter would be an open platform without their own corporate and personal agenda, but apparently a ton of people made that assumption, and now are shocked to find that that was not the case.

    9. Re:It's become derogatory? by cfalcon · · Score: 2

      > Is there evidence supporting the claim that the loss of the verified mark was related to their opinions and not an ambiguity in who was actually posting

      One easy-to-find case:

      http://www.businessinsider.com...

      Milo, of course, went on to be completely banned by twitter at a later time. But there was ABSOLUTELY no question than he was who he said he was: there was no ambiguity. So there's your "evidence supporting the claim". Because he was later banned, it definitely fits the idea that they unverified him as a may of adding meaning to the check mark of "this check mark denotes twitter approves of this", and therefore removing the check mark is a statement of political disagreement.

      This event was not missed:

      http://www.huffingtonpost.co.u...

      So this means that the blue mark removal was being received by both left and right as being an editorial statement about the person, and not a "guaranteed to be the person" mark.

    10. Re: It's become derogatory? by cfalcon · · Score: 2

      Milo unverified on twitter Jan 2016:
      http://www.businessinsider.com...

      Milo banned on twitter Jun 2016:
      https://www.washingtonpost.com...

      So they DID unverify Milo, with no reason given, and certainly no doubt as to his authenticity. Six months later they banned him for ToS violations.

    11. Re:It's become derogatory? by sycodon · · Score: 2

      If it is not intended as an endorsement, then Twitter would not be treating it as an endorsement. Which they clearly did.

      Since it's their fucking site, I think that pretty much means that's how they intended the Verified moniker to be used.

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  2. Re:The truth by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So does reality. And sanity.

    A sane world is a free one. Because only in a free world you will get to hear ALL opinions, even the ones you do not want to hear. Ideas that go against your religion, your groupthink, your echo chamber and your peer group approval. They will not be filtered and they will reach you.

    Reality on the other hand simply is. No matter how much you wish it away. Saying it ain't simply isn't going to serve you well, for reality is a cruel mistress who will remind you that she's in charge. No matter your wishes, no matter your doctrine or your conviction.

    And yes, that works for the alt-right as much as for the alt-left (or whatever the term is for the regressive left is today, I fail to keep track and quite honestly, I couldn't care less what attribute they want to be associated with today). Sanity as well as reality is found in the middle ground. Not the extremes.

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  3. Seems about right. by TimothyHollins · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The biases of Twitter can be quite easily seen by looking at the "Safety Council", tasked with keeping Twitter free of undesireables.

    ( https://about.twitter.com/safe... )

    Furthermore, it is quite telling that Twitter punished notorious troll and agitator Milo Yiannopoulos by removing his verified tag. Why would they do that if the tag was only there to assert that the account was in fact verified as belonging to the real Milo Yiannopoulos?

    1. Re:Seems about right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Milo is a gay republican and that just cannot be.

      This paradigm didn't compute so they removed his green check.

    2. Re:Seems about right. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Informative

      Twitter punished notorious troll and agitator Milo Yiannopoulos by removing his verified tag.

      Are you sure it isn't wasn't because he changed his information within his profile?

      "Changing information, such as your profile image, can cause Twitter to remove the badge,"

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    3. Re:Seems about right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Your opinions differ from mine, let me label you with a term my peers and I have deemed derogatory and threaten you with violence"

      Keep loosing.

    4. Re:Seems about right. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He was trying to martyr himself for years. Find an obscure rule and break it, then feign ignorance and start some conspiracy theories.

      He's basically a professional victim, whose baiting eventually went too far.

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    5. Re:Seems about right. by Rockoon · · Score: 2

      Today I didnt think that I would get the chance to reply to a "progressive" lefty attributing convoluted nefarious motive to a person changing their profile picture on twitter.

      What the fuck.

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    6. Re:Seems about right. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Or maybe they just applied the rules as written long before Milo came along. It's not even a conspiracy theory, as it doesn't require any conspiracy.

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    7. Re:Seems about right. by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Are you sure it isn't wasn't because he changed his information within his profile?

      "Changing information, such as your profile image, can cause Twitter to remove the badge,"

      Considering he's filed with the UK data commissioner for the disclosure of why it was removed, and why he was banned? Nobody knows, not even him. By law twitter has to disclose these reasons. And twitter has been stonewalling him and the UK data commissioner for over 9mo's now as to "why" should tell people a lot about what's exactly going on.

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  4. It's easy for it to look that way. by dmomo · · Score: 4, Informative

    It does look elitist. I'm not so sure that it's a nefarious scheme so much as a by-product of a sorting algorithm. It would be nice to be able to easily sort those responses. When showing replies to a Tweet, Twitter prioritizes the verified accounts, as they are typically more visible (more followers see and like their replies). We see them first, even if we have no clue who the person is. For high profile accounts, like the president, there is bound to be thousands of responses. If even a small percentage of those are "blue checks", they tend to drown out the other responses. Their voice gets a priority. It can be pretty tiring, especially when the first few people responding have multiple replies. They appear to be "hogging" the comments.

    1. Re:It's easy for it to look that way. by dmomo · · Score: 2

      I'm unambiguously Liberal, and to me there is an appearance of elitism. I'm not necessarily among those droves who you say would be leaving Twitter, but I certainly don't typically comment on high profile posts, simply because I know it would be a waste of time, as my reply would quickly get drowned out by blue-checked accounts who rise to the top quickly. I never said this was unjust or even a problem, but it definitely is a reality.

  5. Sure by PvtVoid · · Score: 5, Funny

    @realDonaldTrump is a blue check. What more do you need?

  6. Next up... by PvtVoid · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... low numbers on Slashdot are not to be trusted.

    1. Re:Next up... by Binestar · · Score: 2

      I agree with this. Anything lower than 5 digits are untrustworthy!

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    2. Re:Next up... by Frederic54 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Even more, anything lower than 4 digits are untrustworthy!

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  7. Twitters "liberal bias" is hardly a perception by nedlohs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They drank the social justice kool-aid a while back. And that group of "the left" has managed to steal the "liberal" label somehow.

    And no, I'm not an alt-right nutter. No, I didn't vote for Trump. No, I don't think Brexit is great. No, I don't think Obama was evil incarnate. My introduction to SJWs was when they destroyed what was a reasonably functioning atheist community with their religion.

    1. Re:Twitters "liberal bias" is hardly a perception by geek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And no, I'm not an alt-right nutter.

      Don't worry, you'll get there. You're already seeing how evil the SJW's are. You'll get red pilled like the rest in no time.

      It's funny, I run into a lot of people that make statements just like yours. You're still on the fence because you've been told for so long that "right" is bad and "left" is good. Once you get over that it's like breathing fresh air for the first time. You can give both "sides" the middle finger equally and start operating on whats right and wrong rather than whats right and left.

    2. Re:Twitters "liberal bias" is hardly a perception by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      Anyone who uses the term "SJW" is too far gone already. The best thing is to point and laugh.

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  8. Re:Perceived liberal bias? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

    Bias is an inclination or outlook to present or hold a partial perspective, often accompanied by a refusal to consider the possible merits of alternative points of view. According to wikipedia,

    Have you seen conservative bias? It's an alternative reality filled with alternative facts. When Obama was president, my Tea Party-loving, lily-white relatives in Idaho emailed clippings out of the right-wing echo chamber. I could prove every item was factually wrong in some way.

  9. Re: BOHICA by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because conservatives are well-known as pragmatic and open-minded people.

    They're not the ones on university campuses or society trying to shut down speech, engaging in no-platforming, violently assaulting people for having different opinions, pushing safe spaces, engaging in racism like progressives are. Or have you failed to miss how much identity politics, anti-white bullshit gets pushed out by people who claim to be "moral arbiters" and standing up for minorities?

    So yep, conservatives do seem to be the pragmatic and open-minded ones these days.

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  10. Re: The truth by ravenshrike · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Funny how the police can reasonably make that determination when they didn't bother to arrest anyone. Apparently putting on a black mask and shirt revokes your status as a student or teacher at Berkeley for the duration you wear it.

  11. Re:The truth by bigpat · · Score: 2

    tends to have a liberal bias.

    Get over it.

    I think calling it a "liberal bias" in the first place is very misleading. It is a Democratic Party bias of the big city press. Born of cultivated political and personal relationships made in big cities controlled by the Democratic Party which also happen to be the centers of media markets.

    I've personally seen this play out where reporters from the main press outlets are given office space inside city hall and the state government and clearly develop a symbiotic relationship with the political establishment. The only time reporters turn on the powers that be in City Hall is when they see blood in the water and see the prospect of a new patron taking over.

  12. Re:Liberals are evolved, conservatives are primiti by anegg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not completely sure that this isn't a troll, but I'll answer up as if it isn't. It would have been better if it wasn't an Anonymous Coward posting with no way to establish the context from which the author has spoken...

    This illustrates a big part of the problem. A belief that a particular political viewpoint is so correct, and another so wrong, that merely expressing views associated with the latter automatically makes one wrong.

    It may be the case that loonies are more likely to identify with a conservative, individualistic political ideology more so than a group-think government-take-care-of-me political philosophy, and since loonies tend to be outspoken and get attention, those loonies might be seen as the face of that political philosophy. But that appearance doesn't make it so.

    The current trend of folks wearing a liberal banner shutting down conversations about significant issues simply because the alternate viewpoint from theirs MUST be wrong because it's not their viewpoint is troubling to me. It's the political equivalent of sticking one's fingers in one's ears, closing one's eyes, and vocalizing "nyahh nyah nyah" as loud as one can. Donald Trump won the election because a significant number of people in the US voted for him. Wouldn't it make sense to try and understand WHY people voted for him rather than just shouting "He's not MY president" and suggesting that the political process in the United States has somehow gone off the rails because your candidate didn't get elected? It doesn't seem like very evolved behavior to me.

    People believe all sorts of things, and they believe them for all sorts of reasons. Dismissing others beliefs because they don't line up with the beliefs that you hold dear isn't a sign of intelligence; it's a sign of close-mindedness. From my viewpoint, it seems like a lot of liberals are the kind of people who like living in a denser, urban environment, while a lot of conservatives are people who like living in a less-crowded, non-urban environment. Perhaps this acts as a filter for political beliefs. Perhaps it's possible that liberal beliefs work well in an urban environment, while conservative beliefs work well outside of that environment. I currently live in a US state that has a tradition of having individualistic citizens, yet has developed significant urban populations in some parts. The political demographics seem to support the notion that urban-dwellers are more liberal, while non-urban dwellers are more conservative. Does this mean that the future of the human race is to live in dense urban environments with liberal politics? I hope not, because that isn't an environment that I would like to live in, and one that I have specifically chosen NOT to live in. Is my choice invalid? Am I broken or defective because I don't want to live that way, or is it a valid choice of mine to not live that way?

    I believe many things and have rejected belief in many others. I've been called a Skeptic before I was aware that it was a thing because I believe in evidence-based reasoning. I was raised in a northeastern US state as a southern baptist, but threw away the religious beliefs I was taught when I went to college and found a better explanation with more evidence. I've spent a lot of my professional career using knowledge and reason to to separate fact from fiction, to understand why things have occurred, and what is most likely to make things work better in the future. In my mind, THAT is a more evolved human. The use of reason, thinking based on evidence, and considering all of the data, not just the data that favors what I would like to be true.

    As soon as one starts labeling things, including people, one ceases to be able to truly understand them. Labels are useful abstractions, and its human to use them, but some of the most interesting discoveries come from peering past the labels to truly see.

    I would like to see some political dialogs that don't assume right and wrong based on party membership, I would like to see political dialogs that don't reject other's beliefs simply because they are counter to one's own. And for the sake of the FSM, I would really like to see an end to self-appointed moral superiority.

  13. He's a troll because...? by s.petry · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Milo is a troll because of his message, or because of how it's delivered? People on the right finally figured out that no matter how they say things, the progressive left will attack. Milo, and to a large extent President Trump have figured out that being "politically correct" has never worked. The target is constantly moving, and only favors the progressive left. The progressive left is now beginning to eat as much as they dish out, and they don't like it.

    We hear the same claims about Ann Coulter, Ben Shaprio, Steven Crowder, Mark Levin, Larry Elder, Dennis Prager, and I could go on and on and on. The progressive left (and it's media monopoly) labels anything people on the right do as racist, xenophobic, homophobic, Islamaphobic, transphobic, misogynistic, anti Hispanic, etc... They constantly cherry pick bits and pieces of content to argue with. They similarly cherry pick for their own narratives and continue to get caught.

    The successful answer has been not to "play nice" but to throw things back in a way that displays the hypocrisy and dirty tricks in full view.

    So far, Generation Z is turning out to be one of the most conservative generations in a long time. The progressives are in for a rough time.

    Back on point, as GP stated the "Verified" has become synonymous with "Insider" or "Elitist". Twitter is losing the war, as is Youtube and Facebook. Censorship is never the answer, yet these massive institutions continue to travel that route.

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    1. Re:He's a troll because...? by s.petry · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Where I disagree is that the arguments for wanting to control borders/immigration or having concerns for ones own populace results in the progressive left labeling you with one or all of those labels. I would further add that the demands for increased Government control, broad censorship, increases bureaucracy for wealth redistribution programs, and promotion of anarchy through neglecting laws all comes with one or more of those same labels. "We can't stop those people from breaking windows and assaulting people because the people they are attacking are [label]" is a common theme. We can't deport violent criminals from El Salvador because that would be racist. etc... We are seeing this constantly from the Progressive left.

      Tell me, if a Russian gang was here illegally and committing crimes would deporting them be racist? How about a French gang? A gang of Catholics from Italy? I think you know the answer already. So which group is actually promoting racism, the ones saying "deport criminals" or the ones saying "you can't deport 'those' criminals because Ethnicity/Religion"? Obviously the latter.

      I don't believe that Gen Z (or Millenials like Milo, Coulter, Shapiro, etc...) are pushing back the clock, but attempting to push for rational arguments instead of simply labeling things an "ism" and people as mega-phobic for not disagreeing with the progressive left's vision of the world. Since facts don't usually back the progressive left's position they do not want the debates or the facts.

      Having "facts" has become the anti-establish position, because certain people in media and politics refuse to acknowledge facts or argue with them. Interesting times indeed.

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  14. Re: BOHICA by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... trying to delegitimize every news source to his left counts as trying to shut down speech.

    Really? So you're saying that his opinions of something are trying to shut them down. Or that he's right when you can find the media is vastly left-wing, votes democrat, reporters are democrats(around 90%) and 95-97% of them in the beltway donate to democrats or are democrats. Or that 90% of what they report is all negative, even when the subject is positive.

    It's not like the MSM haven't spent decades delegitimizing themselves to well...everyone. Which is why the trust of the press in most of the west is between 8% and 15% or anything. No, you want to see what trying to shut down speech looks like? Go pay attention to what's happening to youtube right now, and sites like the WSJ, gizmodo, et.al., directly attacking the source of revenue for people because they don't "conform" to their ideology. That's what an attack on free speech looks like.

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  15. Re: BOHICA by Mashiki · · Score: 2

    Sure: half of it's sideways, it's compressed all to fuck, the aspect ratio on the left half has been mangled and the composition on the right panel sucks. Visually it's a total disaster.

    You should probably tell the ones protesting free speech then to figure out how to hold a camera then. That is if they don't beat you, smash your camera, and you spend a day or two in hospital recovering from your "run-in" with them.

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