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AIG Is Now Selling Cyber Insurance, But Only To High Net Worth Individuals (securityledger.com)

chicksdaddy writes from a report via Security Ledger: It turns out that the rich really aren't like everyone else -- they have more cyber insurance. That, after insurance giant AIG announced Monday that it has started offering cyber insurance to protect individuals and families from ransomware attacks, data theft and cyber bullying, The Security Ledger reports. But don't go looking to sign up at Wal-Mart: the service is only available to AIG's Private Client Group, which caters to high net worth and ultra high net worth individuals and families. The service is the first of its kind to provide what insurers call "first party coverage" -- basically: insurance to make the affected party whole after an adverse incident. In a sign of the times, AIG said it will pay for things like school relocation for children traumatized by cyber bullying and ransom to cyber criminals in the hope of restoring data and technology held hostage by crypto-ransomware. Private Client Group customers must have real estate or other assets like boats or art with a value of more than $1 million, said Jerry Hourihan, president of AIG's Private Client Group for the U.S. and Canada. Hourihan said that the new service is based on similar insurance that AIG offers to businesses and is a response to inquiries and demands from its high net worth clients, who have become increasingly concerned about cyber threats, he said. The insurance would be purchased as a so-called "rider" to a traditional home insurance policy and add about 10% or 15% to the annual premium. It's not a big stretch for AIG because it turns out there's not much daylight between really well off families and businesses. "Our clients have domestic employees and family offices to help manage their lives. They take on quasi commercial exposure," Hourihan said. There are no immediate plans to offer similar protections to families of ordinary means, despite a recent survey by the firm Accenture that found as many as 1 in 4 Americans has been the victim of data theft. (https://securityledger.com/2017/02/silent-epidemic-data-theft-has-become-a-public-health-crisis-digital-guardian/)

42 comments

  1. Sounds familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On the internet, all persons are equal. But some are more equal than others.

    1. Re: Sounds familiar by dougdonovan · · Score: 1

      its called the fdic with a backing of 250k...nothing else matters besides...just another marketing scheme.

    2. Re:Sounds familiar by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      $1 million is actually a pretty low threshold in economic terms. In practical terms for an insurance company, the cost of an investigation and recovery is fairly constant for $50k or $1MM; it wouldn't make sense cost-wise to have without enough at stake.

      That said, this is AIG we are talking about, son of sure if I would trust them in a major "heist." But, if you are less than 15 years from retirement, something like this might make a lot of sense.

  2. FTFY by zlives · · Score: 1

    in reality, all persons are equal. But some are more equal than others.

    1. Re:FTFY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Know what treats everyone equally, regardless of their 'means'? A bullet.

    2. Re:FTFY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought it was aids... (That is what your mom said).

    3. Re:FTFY by vux984 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Know what treats everyone equally, regardless of their 'means'? A bullet.

      Ooooh... big deal.

      So does kleenex, and scissors, and the moon, and lice, and the pacific ocean, and spaghetti, and alligators... and every other inanimate object ever, along with all plants, and all non-human animals too.

      Its really only a subset of people who treat people with 'means' any differently.

    4. Re: FTFY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone is created equal. Everything is a series of branches after that point that may increase or decrease one's value to society.

    5. Re:FTFY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We'll be sure to put all that shit on your headstone, asshole.

    6. Re:FTFY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, the moon discriminates. It turns me into a raging dog every once in a while, but doesn't do so for a lot of other people. I haven't figured out why it hates me, but it does so with a vengeance. Though at least it doesn't incinerate some people like the Sun does. The Sun is the real bad ass in space.

      Spaghetti is a huge discriminator too. Go to most of Europe and you'll see all different colors of long spaghetti. Go to most of Asia and all you see are super tiny strands of spaghetti. So small you can't even wind them around a fork, you need to use sticks to pick them up. Spaghetti is very raciest.

    7. Re: FTFY by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Everyone is created equal.

      Everybody is created equal under common law, but really not everybody is born equal, even if you somehow managed to completely establish socioeconomic equality for all (which would extend to the complete removal of all leadership positions, titles, and occupations.)

      Also when I hear the term "created" when it comes to people, I can't help but ask: Created by whom?

    8. Re: FTFY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People with "means" ?
      What the hell does that mean ?
      It used to equate with folk who actually had large piles of cash etc,not any two bit crook who hasn't been caught yet a d has decided to "buy" a yacht etc..
      Most of these so called high net worth clients are no such thing,if they had to try and raise their so called worth in cash,95% of them couldn't do it..
      Most high worth twats only rate as such because they have access to hugely over valued assets,usually the proceeds of crime..
      Most deserve a bullet,then again so do the majority of twats that now appear to be the norm for /. commenters in the last year..

    9. Re: FTFY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't help but ask: Created by whom?

      I knew this time would come eventually. OK, well, when a mummy and daddy love each other very much they can make a baby. The daddy puts his special seed inside the mummy and when it joins with the mummy's special baby eggs it grows into a brand new baby person.

  3. Yeah, sure thing AIG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The rest of us are just goddamned peasants, after all. Who cares if our worthless little lives are completely torn apart? We don't matter, only the 1% matter.

    1. Re: Yeah, sure thing AIG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The earth would be a pretty nice place with only the 1%

    2. Re: Yeah, sure thing AIG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would also be a nicer place for the 99% if the 1% vanished.
      The 1% have to be lucky all the time,the 99% just need to get off their bums just the once and the 1% cease to be a problem,it will happen one day..

    3. Re: Yeah, sure thing AIG by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      It actually happens from time to time. The problem is that this doesn't give you more equality, all it gives you is a new 1%.

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  4. High? by whoever57 · · Score: 1

    The service is offered to families and individuals who are customers of AIGâ(TM)s Private Client Group, typically clients who have real estate or other assets like boats or art with a value of more than $1 million

    $1M in assets barely gets you into the top 10% today.

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    1. Re:High? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not much either in the general sense. A home bought after a real estate bubble multiplies its value during the next 20 years in the rapidly developing areas. Such insurances and the related terms and guidance should be available for any worker and executive as a requirement from an employer valuing their IP.

  5. High net worth? by bagofbeans · · Score: 1

    Real high net worth families employ an IT manager to ensure this won't happen. $1M is at least an order too low to be able to sue AIG if they won't pay a claim.

    1. Re:High net worth? by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      I think you are talking closer to two orders of magnitude higher to have a family IT manager, although one order of magnitude might get you a lawyer on speed dial. That said, how do you really defend against stupidity...

    2. Re: High net worth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah,but they employ the same stupid,arrogant pricey morons that make up the I.T world in Lah lah land,you know,the same ones who duck up everyday elsewhere, the ones who work for vips are no better,they just haven't had their duck ups traced back to them yet..

  6. unprecedented evile fears trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they've met? cease fire stand down... free the also innocent stem cells.. thanks again... sing along... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-kA3UtBj4M

  7. Really? by technix4beos · · Score: 2

    Fuck off, AVG.

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  8. Paying ransoms should be illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Way to piss in the pool, idiots.

  9. "made whole"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Many ransomware incidents seem to involve the loss of data for the victim. If you pay the perp, you are breeding even more ransomware incidents as people start to realize that this works. You get more of what you reward.

    And if you don't, you've lost your data.... UNLESS you took the necessary precautions to back it up some way that cannot be compromised by ransomware, and/or run a secure system that is not easily vulnerable to it, in which case you don't need this insurance to begin with.

    I'm not rich at all, but i have a lot of data I care very much about, and I would not think of getting this insurance even if they would offer it to we down here in the peasant classes.

    1. Re:"made whole"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most ransomware does release the data after receiving payment. All of the major outbreaks have done so.

      If a particular strain didn't restore the user's data, people would quickly find out and report that.

      Right now, ransomware does the reputation of being reliable, regardless of its other characteristics.

  10. Cyberbullying by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

    I"d be interested in knowing how they will insure against cyberbullying? Are they going to have goons hunt little Tommy down and tech him a lesson he'll never forget?

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    1. Re:Cyberbullying by swb · · Score: 1

      At a certain amount of net worth I would kind of expect that to happen without getting AIG involved. Dad talks to his lawyer who then calls some ex-cop who does work on the side. The ex-cop leans on the principal and gets Tommy suspended from school and kicked off the team.

      It sounds very "Sopranos" but at the same time very plausible when money starts sloshing around.

  11. Erik Prince in the Seychelles by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    I wonder if they've gotten any inquiries about a policy that covers impeachment.

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  12. Insurance against ransomware? by Mystiq · · Score: 2

    Really? Paying off ransomware companies? That's just going to make them target wealthy people. I mean, I'll be fine but it's probably only going to provoke more attacks since you're guaranteed a payday if the person you hit has AIG.

    And:

    public static bool operator==(const Person& a, const Person& b)
    {
            if(a.Wealth() != b.Wealth())
                    return false;
            else
                    return &a == &b;
    }

  13. crash of 2008 already forgotten by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AIG was a major cause and major beneficiary of the taxpayer bailout of the criminals on wall street who destroyed the global economy in 2008. And here we are, still talking about them like they are a legit company, where everything they do should be taken at face value.

  14. Insurance is not ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 2

    ... a plan of action.

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    1. Re:Insurance is not ... by Neuronwelder · · Score: 2

      You hit the nail on the head. Why can't these people take care of themselves?? Did they ever hear of an IT crew?? That's what they used to be for.

    2. Re:Insurance is not ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Why the simple hell is this modded down?

      It's inherently obvious.

      As an example, insurance does not replace goddam seat belts.

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  15. Defeats the purpose of insurance by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    You probably don't need insurance if you have a high "net worth". You should only buy insurance for things you cannot cover yourself.

    If you can cover it yourself, it's usually cheaper on average to simply cover it yourself. Consumer groups will often give you this advice. Insurance co's ask a markup on what you pay into them on the average.

    For example, if you can cover a $20k car crash on your own without going into bankruptcy or getting into dire financial problems, it's best to only buy insurance for amounts over $20k, having a deductible of $20k. This is sometimes called "catastrophic" insurance.

    It sounds like AIG doesn't want to sell catastrophic insurance, but rather "ordinary" insurance to rich people/co's. Catastrophic coverage for the really rich would probably bankrupt AIG after an event or two. Thus, they instead are looking for rich suckers who are dumb enough to buy low-deductible insurance with payout limits. (I suppose there are specific situations where it makes sense to a given person or co, at least for the shorter term.)

  16. Do you really want to get ripped off? by GuB-42 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The reason this insurance is only for the rich : it is prohibitively expensive.
    For someone who has more than $1M in assets, insurance is already expensive, and so they can easily scare people with cyber horror stories into paying 10-15% more. After all, they are rich, they can pay. The "exclusive" stuff is a marketing tactic to make these rich customers feel special, and maybe more targeted, and more ready to pay.
    But it is a much harder sell on average people. The risk is comparable, attacks are usually indiscriminate, and ransomware ask for a fixed sum. So it means that if you have a more typical home insurance, it could double the premium before the insurance company can expect a profit. And they probably judged that the average person won't pay.
    It it turns out that normal people also want to get ripped off like the rich, they will arrange it.

    1. Re:Do you really want to get ripped off? by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Sure, the rider aspect almost makes it a marketing gimick, but the devil is really in the details-- what other additional insurance you are required to have in order to be "fully" covered.

  17. AIG Sucks - I know cuz I worked there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ....as a programmer. Believe me y'all: run away from this one. That ship is set to sink.

  18. Not "despite"; "because" by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    ... there are no immediate plans to offer similar protections to families of ordinary means, despite a recent survey by the firm Accenture that found as many as 1 in 4 Americans has been the victim of data theft...

    I think they mean because a recent survey... Etc. It doesn't do the shareholders any good to be paying claims to 25% of your clients.

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  19. I can do that too! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Of course, certain stipulations apply before I pay. For example, for the ransomware clause to take effect, you need a current backup...

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