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Bitcoin Becomes Legal Payment Option In Japan, Prices Spike (investopedia.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Investopedia: A bill to amend Japan's Banking Act has finally come to fruition, recognizing Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies as legal tender. The bill has far-reaching repercussions for the digital currency world as well as the way that cryptocurrencies can be traded and exchanged. The Banking Act was modified after a long process of debate and dialog which saw proponents of digital currencies arguing on their behalf. Now, after months of discussion, the bill has come into effect as of the beginning of April. Section 3 of the bill has been modified to including wording on virtual currency and is being called the Virtual Currency Act, according to reporting by Brave New Coin. Digital currencies like Bitcoin have finally received definition and recognition as a means of payment by the Japanese government. The Banking Act's Payment Services Act has also moved to define a digital currency as "property of value," meaning that it is usable for payment in the broader marketplace and that it may be bought or sold. At the same time, the Japanese bill distinguishes between digital currencies like Bitcoin and "electronic money." Digital currency, in this case, is not issued by a specific entity and may be used by any accepting individual, while electronic money can be linked to a specific issuer and can only be used by that issuer or persons specified by the issuer. Along with the recognition of Bitcoin and other digital currencies is the stipulation that profits from trading of those currencies may be considered as "income from business activities or miscellaneous income." This makes Bitcoin subject to various taxes, including capital gains tax.

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  1. Hey its a Bitcoin article by nitehawk214 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY

    Dear Lameness Filter,

    I am not the one that is yelling, it is the pump and dump people that make Bitcoin prices every time there is an article like this.

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  2. Erm, not legal tender by Orgasmatron · · Score: 5, Informative

    FYI, "legal tender" means that people are obligated to accept it in repayment of debts. If I owe you 10 ounces of silver, and I try to give you an equal "value" of Federal Reserve Notes instead, you can't refuse to accept it and then sue me for nonpayment. The courts will consider my offer of the legally-privileged notes as a full defense against that suit.

    Merely having the option to accept something doesn't make it legal tender.

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    1. Re:Erm, not legal tender by gumbi+west · · Score: 2

      OK, so I can't use cash for that purpose in several restaurants in my city. They operate under a (state issued) license that allows this. So, is cash not legal tender in the US?

    2. Re:Erm, not legal tender by Orgasmatron · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It depends. Legal tender laws only apply to debts. If you purchase the meal in an instant transaction (fast food), they can accept whatever they want to accept in trade. If they don't want to accept cash at that point, they don't have to.

      For a full service restaurant where the bill comes at the end, the question is: Is that bill a debt?

      Most likely, regardless of the answer to that question, they'll take cash if you raise a fuss. Can you imagine if that escalated to a police call? Cops already have to put up with all sorts of strange shit, but I'm imagining the restaurant manager rethinking a big part of his life when a cop asks him "You really want me to arrest him? For trying to pay his bill? With cash?"

      Ooh, or a judge. Judges love cases that waste their time.

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    3. Re:Erm, not legal tender by mjwx · · Score: 2

      FYI, "legal tender" means that people are obligated to accept it in repayment of debts. If I owe you 10 ounces of silver, and I try to give you an equal "value" of Federal Reserve Notes instead, you can't refuse to accept it and then sue me for nonpayment. The courts will consider my offer of the legally-privileged notes as a full defense against that suit.

      Within reason. If I owe you £10,000 I cant pay you in £2 coins. A debtor has the right to demand a reasonable form of payment. Paying in chickens means that the debtor has to wear the cost of converting chickens into whatever medium for trade is suitable for them. If the debtor is OK with that (say you owed £10,000 to KFC) then the debt can easily be paid in chickens. However if its not, debtors are within their rights to set limits on what kinds of payments they will accept.

      So yes if you tried to pay a $50,000 debt in federal reserve notes worth $1 each, they can sue you for non payment.

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  3. Re:I can't believe Japan wants to be known... by zieroh · · Score: 2

    ...for fraud. This is serious folks. Bitcoin is all about hiding transactions and avoiding taxes.

    You mean like cash?

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  4. Re:Ban bitcoin by CaptainDork · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No.

    The legalization leads to regulation and documentation.

    Anonymity is out the window.

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  5. Re:Ban bitcoin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Bitcoin isn't anonymous.

  6. Re:How soon for nation to depend on bitcoin? by Baron_Yam · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seriously, it might be AWESOME to see some small nation switch to Bitcoin for its currency, so people would finally shut the fuck up when they see it crash under the load.

    3.5 TPS. That's it. You can't run a small TOWN on 3.5 transactions per second.

  7. Re: I can't believe Japan wants to be known... by Type44Q · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And, unless I'm missing something (whoosh?)... you've got it completely backwards.

  8. Re:Ban bitcoin by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In that case, then what's the point of using Bitcoin?

    1. Bitcoin cannot be inflated away.
    2. For international transactions, Bitcoin transactions are way cheaper.

    My company employs a graphic artist in Karachi. We pay her in bitcoin, which she then converts to PKRs for a transaction cost of less than 1%. Using a normal bank would cost 3-6%.

  9. Re:How soon for nation to depend on bitcoin? by Orgasmatron · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You do know that bitcoin doesn't need to take over all transactions in order to be successful, right?

    Wait for the price to rise another order of magnitude or two and the world will be scrambling to move all of their settlement activity to it.

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  10. Re:I can't believe Japan wants to be known... by zieroh · · Score: 2

    Cash can be regulated and tracked. Bitcoin not so much.

    My mistake. I didn't realize you were from bizarro-world, where everything is backwards and the women wear goatees.

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  11. Re:If it becomes legit. Won't greed smell it? by zieroh · · Score: 2

    Let's say bit coin becomes legit. How long before we got greedy copy cats sniffing money and start breaking in?

    You're late to this particular party. Really late. Bitcoin has been legit enough for long enough that the number of copycat cryptocurrencies is fast approaching infinity.

    How many forms of money will it take before money becomes worthless?

    All of them.

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  12. No central authority by DrYak · · Score: 2

    In that case, then what's the point of using Bitcoin?

    The point of bitcoin (the protocol), is that it is distributed.
    There's (theoretically) no central authority.
    Any two endpoint can exchange currency (usually BTC) as long as they both follow the protocol.

    (anonymity was never a point. And goes against the way bitcoin works as every single (full) node on the network needs a local copy of the whole ledger to be useful. So ever node gets to see every transaction ever done).

    You can run a perfectly functional digital economy with yen or any other real currency.

    Yeah, and how do you send those yens around ? Say you want to send me 1'000¥.
    You'll need to use some system like PayPal (where we need to both have an account) and further down the line you'll need a credit card (so you'll need to also have a card at MasterCard or VISA).
    So for our transfer to work, there are a couple of companies (PayPal, MasterCard, etc.) that have central authority over any transaction we attempt.
    They could even block us (that actually hapenned to WikiLeaks and was part of the reasons bitcoin got popular).

    As opposed to the bitcoin protocol :
    - you could be using anything - e.g.: local bitcoin to buy a faction of BTC for some ¥s in your local market. or e.g.: use some exchange platform (whatever has currently replaced MtGOX and BTC-e)
    - I could be using some coin processor to convert them to real money (e.g.: BitPay or Coinbase) or simply store them into my local wallet (e.g.: Bitcoin Classic)

    As long as the end-point we each chose follows the protocol, the transaction can happen.
    There's no single central "Bitcoin Inc." that could control the transaction (massive mining pools aside) and freeze your account.
    There's no single BTCcard that we all must obtain in order to do the trasaction.

    And unlike PayPal, nobody can block donations to wikileaks.

    The closest to this type of freedom of choice is european payment system like SEPA.
    As long as your and my bank follow this system, we can send money accross accounts.

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  13. Re:I can't believe Japan wants to be known... by Wootery · · Score: 2

    So I suppose Linux distros should stop distributing over BitTorrent if they don't want to be known for piracy?

  14. Re:How soon for nation to depend on bitcoin? by Baron_Yam · · Score: 2

    >You do know that bitcoin doesn't need to take over all transactions in order to be successful, right?

    I love how you idiots redefine what Bitcoin has to do every time any one of its fatal flaws is pointed out.

    Luckily, there are so many flaws to point out it's rare anyone bothers to name them all simultaneously, so you always have somewhere to move your goalpost to.

  15. Re:How soon for nation to depend on bitcoin? by thunderclees · · Score: 2

    I doubt that the CPC would ever do this as they like money. Considering the huge amount of computing the PRC has dumped into mining if the CPC decided to shut it all down could the slack be picked up elsewhere?