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Google Tackles Fake News With Global Fact-Checking Rollout (betanews.com)

Google is calling on fact-checking organizations to help it bust fake news -- but it's starting in a small way. From a report: Google's Fact Check feature is not new, but today the search giant is rolling out the feature around the world. A global rollout is important if such a tool is to have any real impact. It's all well and good have reports fact-checked on one side of the world, but it's of little use if the same fake stories remain unquestioned and untested elsewhere. Google is doing its part by making the Fact Check label available in Google News everywhere, and spreading it into search results in all languages as well. The Fact Check label has been around since October, providing an at-a-glance way to determine whether or not a particular story has been verified as true. Google admits that it will not be possible to fact-check every single search result it displays, and the company points out that it is not responsible for the actual fact-checking process.

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  1. Who decides what is fact? by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is this fact checking going to be like Politifact, which has said that an article or tweet is "mostly false" while saying that the facts it contains are true?

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    1. Re: Who decides what is fact? by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can use many truths to draw a false conclusion. Conspiracy theorists do it all the time.

    2. Re: Who decides what is fact? by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A conclusion is not a fact. So, what you want is someone to check that the articles reach the "correct" conclusions?

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      The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
    3. Re:Who decides what is fact? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      The Onion.

    4. Re:Who decides what is fact? by David_Hart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is this fact checking going to be like Politifact, which has said that an article or tweet is "mostly false" while saying that the facts it contains are true?

      A fact is either true or false. What Politifact is commenting on is whether the opinion, belief, or conclusion drawn from those facts is "mostly false".

      For example, the unemployment rate has dropped. Donald Trump is the president. Therefore President Trump is responsible and should be praised for lowering the unemployment rate. The first two sentences facts, the last sentence is an opinion. The opinion would be considered, by most, to be "mostly false". Yes, his presidency may have had an effect on business expansion and hiring people but most of these business plans were in place well before President Trump took office.

    5. Re:Who decides what is fact? by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What Politifact is commenting on is whether the opinion, belief, or conclusion drawn from those facts is "mostly false".

      In other words, Politifact is NOT a FACT checking organization. They are checking whether or not the opinions presented are "correct". If the facts presented in the story are true, I do not need someone else to tell me if the conclusions the author reaches are true or not. If someone is going to claim to be a fact checker, I want them to limit themselves to checking the facts. If they do not, it is just a matter of time, and probably not much of it, before they are calling fake news true because it reaches the "correct" conclusions (or leads people to do so) even though the facts are completely false.

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      The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
  2. Remember everyone by DatbeDank · · Score: 2

    It's only fake when it comes from non-MSM sources and doesn't peddle the neocon talking points.

    1. Re:Remember everyone by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      That's how the alt-media like it. If they became trusted sources of news by publishing mostly true stories, they would become part of the mainstream and lose their appeal.

      The whole point of the alt-media is to confirm your suspicions that the world really is against you, that it's not your fault, that you really are the victim here and your suffering is valid, and that you were right all along.

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  3. Fact check for 'Fake News' but not scammers? by urbanriot · · Score: 2

    It tells you a lot about a company when they're more concerned about Fake News (TM) than they are about the advertising revenue they're receiving from a plethora of scammers that regularly bilk less technical folks out of piles of money, specifically seniors looking for phone numbers for well known companies.

  4. Approved News by Kunedog · · Score: 2
    fixd

    The Fact Check label has been around since October, providing an at-a-glance way to determine whether or not a particular story has been approved by the Ministry of Truth.

  5. Isn't this abuse of a monopoly??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Isn't this google using their almost total dominance of search to control the news industry? If a story happens to be true but doesn't fit with the narrative that google wants to put forth could it get burried?

    It's not just about libertarian or conservative bloggers. What if an advertiser, let's say big agribusiness, doesn't want peta exposes of bad farms to be seen? Could that be labeled "fake news"?

  6. Google is ... by AnthonywC · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The Ministry of Truth.

  7. PolitiFact is "Mostly False" by ABEND · · Score: 2

    I don't see an entry for what probably most hurt Hillary's chances in the 2016 election. That is, she blamed a YouTube video for the 9/11/2012 terror attack on the U.S. ambassador to Libya and his staff in Benghazi.

    I also do not see an entry for the oft repeated phrase "the Russians hacked the election."

    There's a ton of hair splitting regarding statements made by Trump and other Republicans.

    PolitiFact appears to be just another propaganda site. It's probably sponsored by the Russians with the intention of demoralizing Trump supporters (cf., ABC, CBS, *NBC, NYT, WP, LAT, PBS, ...).

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  8. Bidirectional problem by s.petry · · Score: 2, Insightful

    CNN and MSNBC are both masters at using a cherry picked set of facts to support a narrative. Other sources often do the same, just not to the same extent.

    Using a very limited set of facts to support your position is called confirmation bias. People introducing additional facts to question the narrative are simply labeled "fake news". "Conspiracy theorist" is a bit dated, but that was the line pushed from the 60s or so. The people exposing CIA operations were labeled, yet we found through more facts that many nefarious operations did in fact exist.

    Conspiracies are relatively common, yet the media has demonized the term so that people can't talk about them. This is despite knowing that the Mafia was and is a real group, US citizens have been and are being kept under surveillance illegally, etc...

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    -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    1. Re:Bidirectional problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "CNN and MSNBC are both masters at using a cherry picked set of facts to support a narrative. Other sources often do the same, just not to the same extent."

      Bullshit Mountain called. Fox News wants to know how much you charge for rimjobs.

      "Conspiracies are relatively common, yet the media has demonized the term so that people can't talk about them."

      This is because the vast majority of them are patently false, and there is a correlation between belief in conspiracy theories and general hatred of groups trying to get more political influence.

      Trump is literally being sued for inciting violence at his rallies, where he encouraged supporters to 'deck' and 'get him outta here'.

      I thought Bush was the worst president in American history. Clearly the republicans saw that as a challenge.

    2. Re:Bidirectional problem by s.petry · · Score: 2

      I never exonerated any media outlet, you invented a narrative. As to the extent I pointed out, Fox at least presents Democrats (not just moderates but the extreme leftists) and their supporters. The two worst don't bother with any discussion that does not suite their narrative.

      When you come out of your fantasy land about statements I never made, how about you let us know a reasonable number of true conspiracies that you would support being talked about. Until Snowden, we had plenty of theories about Government spying on us but Snowden was proof. Until Comey came out and said that there in fact were classified emails on Hillary's server, it was conspiracy. Until it was released that Rice was unmasking people, perhaps illegally, it was right wing conspiracy.

      What is the number you find acceptable to discuss? Or it it simply "shut up and believe everything you are told" in your world view?

      The number of "wrong" does not in any way nullify the need to find the truths in the world. If you are content believing everything your Government and sponsored media tells you, you are as well off in China or Russia as here in the US. Please move at your earliest convenience.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

  9. Next: Ministry of Truth by pipingguy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Will there be a truth detection algorithm? Who will be in charge of it? Will it be co-opted? By whom? Can't be just ban BadThink and make it punishable by banishment or death or something?

  10. What if by OrangeTide · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What if the fact checking is fake? Look at urbandictionary, I'd argue that less than half of the entries are accurate. It's a fake dictionary.

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  11. Great! by ooloorie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They should start with fact-checking fake news like: "Women make 80% of what men do." or "Climate change threatens the future of humanity." or "Gun control reduces homicides." or "The welfare state helps people become productive members of society." or "Paying more for education than we do improves educational outcomes."

    I suspect it isn't that kind of fake news that they are going to fact check.

  12. Google deciding what I see and read? by stickyboot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This has a very fishy smell of censorship to it.

  13. Re:"Fake news" is fake news by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

    It's almost as if Pizzagate was a load of alt right fake news horse shit

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  14. Trump DID win by s.petry · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hillary lost the Electoral College, which is how _EVERY_SINGLE_PRESIDENT in US History has been elected. We do not elect Presidents by popular vote, and never have. The reason for this is solid, and I can only recommend you do your homework instead of repeating bullshit talking points handed down by people who LOST the election. (Not unique to this batch, but this is certainly the worst I can recall).

    Following the law is not a "technicality", it's called LAW. Your ignorance of the law demonstrates a big problem with the left.

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    -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

  15. Re:You don't know what a fact is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've sometimes heard leftism described as a "mental disorder". I never really gave that claim much credence until I read your comment.

    After seeing the amount of delusion in your comment, I can now see how leftism could be considered a type of mental disorder. It's like you've gone out of your way to ignore all aspects of reality, and you've substituted in your own perverted, twisted sense of what's "real".

    Pretty much every single sentence you wrote is wrong. If you haven't denied reality outright, then you've twisted reality so badly that it no longer resembles reality at all.

    Normal people don't twist reality like you have done. What you've done comes off as really, really abnormal.

  16. Endless vituperation without facts by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 3

    Notice how the right trolls are out in force claiming fact checking is biased therefore must not be done?
    Knew this was coming
    Can't win the argument, lie about the evidence.

  17. Pure Rubbish, Troll by s.petry · · Score: 2

    The point of the Electoral College is so that ALL States, even the smallest, have a voice in the Government. The founders knew that Democracy suffered numerous failures because simple people are persuaded by rhetoric, not facts. You demonstrate their position quite well, and are a perfect example of what they were trying to protect against.

    I am happy to criticize President Trump for things he does wrong. For example, I believe it was a mistake to bomb Syria for numerous reasons (You appear to be too simple to understand, so I won't extrapolate). Wanting to reduce taxes and fix our broken tax code is something every single politician has said since I was a kid. I'm waiting for that bill, and will criticize if necessary. Trying to resolve immigration in the US is again, something politicians have been claimed they would address ever since I was a kid. President Trump is taking steps to do so, and the outcome is yet to be measured. Wanting to fix trade is yet again something we have been promised by every politician since I was a kid, President Trump is actively taking steps to address trade issues. As with the previous, results are yet to be measured. Neither of those last two have resulted in hundreds of thousands of dead Americans as Bernie likes to claim, and so far the US economy has been improving almost purely on optimism.

    Save your ad hominem for the other simpletons who will believe it. I measure facts and results.

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    -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

  18. Re:"Fake News" = "Ethnic Cleansing" by ebvwfbw · · Score: 2

    Totally different. If you looked at the "refugees" flooding into Europe, they looked like an invasion force more than real refugees. Mohammadists, they've been trying to kill us for 1400 years. They rape, kill people and the PC bullshit is stopping everyone from calling a spade a spade. They do this at their own peril. Europe will cease to exist if they don't get rid of the invaders.
    They don't assimilate, they demand that you adopt their way of life or they'll kill you. Sharia law. The sooner everyone understand this the better. It's not racism BTW, that's bullshit too. This is an idiology, not a race.