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Scientists Capture First Image of Dark Matter Web (inhabitat.com)

Kristine Lofgren writes: Scientists have long suspected that the universe is woven together by a vast cosmic connector but, until now, they couldn't prove it. Now, for the first time ever, scientists have captured an image of a dark matter bridge, confirming the theory that galaxies are held together by a cosmic web. Using a technique called weak gravitational lensing, researchers were able to identify distortions of distant galaxies as they are influenced by a large, unseen mass -- in this case, a web of dark matter. In order to create a composite image that shows the dark matter web, scientists had to look at more than 23,000 galaxy pairs located 4.5 billion light-years away. "Results show the dark matter filament bridge is strongest between systems less than 40 million light years apart," reports Phys.Org. The findings have been published in the journal Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society.

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  1. Not exactly direct evidence by techno-vampire · · Score: 5, Informative

    From TFA, "...researchers were able to identify distortions of distant galaxies as they are influenced by a large, unseen mass, such as dark matter." That means that what they have are images that appear to imply the existence of Dark Matter, and are hard to explain any other way, not that the images actually show us Dark Matter. That doesn't mean that it doesn't demonstrate that Dark Matter exists, it's just that the images aren't as cut and dried as the article's headline implied. It also means that there's still wiggle room for those who are certain that it doesn't exist. Still, it's a great step in the right direction.

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    1. Re:Not exactly direct evidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Or gravity doesn't act the same over longer distances, thus there appears to be "unexplained" attraction. So yeah, either gravity is different to what we think, or dark matter exists. This "evidence" seems to suggest either option.

    2. Re:Not exactly direct evidence by Zumbs · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, there was. According to TFS, they used more precise computational models which caused the need for dark matter to go away. Note that while the story was published on slashdot on April 1st, the article is from March 30th and the paper is from February 12th.

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    3. Re:Not exactly direct evidence by Pseudonym · · Score: 4, Informative

      Err... no. That article was about dark energy, which isn't the same thing as dark matter.

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  2. Re:Bringing Light to Dark by mentil · · Score: 4, Interesting

    https://science.slashdot.org/s...
    If you consider a simulation 'debunking'. Given that it was only posited to exist due to mathematical calculations, that's good enough for me.

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  3. Re:misleading nonsense about fantasy matter by m.alessandrini · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm not an expert, but I can't help thinking that dark matter and dark energy are the equivalent of aether from when we did not understand electromagnetism, and the current state of our knowledge (relativity, quantum mechanics, etc) is just an intermediate step in the full understanding, and future physicists will laugh at us for this dark matter thing.

  4. Re:misleading nonsense about fantasy matter by Maritz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There has never been what I would consider "evidence" of dark matter, just evidence of a lack of understanding of matter, gravity, or space.

    Of course you don't mention what it would take for you to consider evidence, your mind is clearly already made up from putting 'evidence' in scare quotes. But in any case - go ahead and explain the bullet cluster then. I expect your take on things will be fascinating, it might even clear all this up for us.

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  5. Re:misleading nonsense about fantasy matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Oh dear, you've been studying science from the Daily Mail again, haven't you? There is most certainly an anomaly. We can avoid giving it a name: maybe call it "You-Know-What", or "The Nameless Anomaly". Or we can give it a name, perhaps one that most closely matches the characteristics of the anomaly - it appears like it's some kind of matter we can't see: we could call it Invisible Matter That Isn't Lit Up, or "The Shitz" or something. Whether dark matter proves to be a misapplication of a theoretical model, or actually a new form of matter ... dark matter is what everyone calls it. It's dark, and it appears to behave most like matter. It's a good name. Some people are insufficiently discerning that they think this means we actually know what it is. But really, we just have a set of properties of the anomaly. I'm sure that if you can bring anyhting to the fight, then you'll be welcome to do your own research, and if you can help fill the "lack of understanding" hole, then fine. But I suspect you're just posting here to have a go at people who are actually getting on with it - and that's quite a well-known phenomenon ("putting them down") commonly associated with weaknesses in the person doing it. I'm sure that doesn't apply to you, though?

  6. Conflating terms by sjbe · · Score: 4, Informative

    In the Einstein universe, are they (matter & energy) not simply different states of the same thing?

    Yes if one isn't being super pedantic. Your "states" analogy is reasonable. To say matter and energy are the same thing isn't exactly accurate but it's good enough for all but the most picky of purposes. But applying that relationship to so called dark matter and dark energy is a little bit fraught because we don't actually know what dark matter and dark energy are. As a result you are understandably conflating some things.

    The terms "dark matter" and "dark energy" are sort of placeholder terms to explain some phenomena that we don't entirely understand yet and they are more marketing terms than precise terms of art. We don't actually know for certain that what we call "dark matter" is actually matter or that "dark energy" is actually energy. We just have some observations we haven't been able to adequately explain so we needed some short hand terms to explain what we are seeing in terms of the models we have. One of three things is happening. Either we are seeing something new, we are making measurement errors, or our models are wrong. Possibly some combination of all three.

    Dark matter arises out of the fact that we see some observations that don't make sense based on the amount of baryonic ("normal") matter we can quantify. Our models of how gravity works tell us that for our observations to match our models there must be a lot more matter than we can see presuming our models are correct. So called dark energy arises out of our observations and measurements of the rate of expansion of the universe but it's even less well understood than dark matter.

    Being that mass and energy rarely appear separately, would not the presence of 'dark energy' strongly infer the existence of 'dark matter'?

    Mass is not the same thing as matter. You can have matter without mass such as with a photon. Mass is a property in some forms of matter, all of which move slower than c (the speed of light).

  7. Re:Not against dark matter by iris-n · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have a PhD in theoretical physics. Not in cosmology, but I have some contact with people who do work on it.

    So, 2) is astronomically unlikely. The experimental evidence comes from multiple independent sources spanning decades. It consists of simple things such as measuring the rotational speed of galaxies and more sophisticated measurements such as anisotropies in the cosmic microwave background. If you are willing to doubt this kind of evidence you might as well doubt GR itself.

    As for 3), everyone and his dog likes to propose modified theories of gravity that would do away with dark matter. The problem is that reconciling them with the mountain of evidence for dark matter is really tough. The most popular candidates, MOND and entropic gravity are far from being able to do it. Until they do, we're stuck with 1).

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