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Ubuntu 17.04 'Zesty Zapus', Featuring Unity, Now Available To Download (betanews.com)

Brian Fagioli, writing for BetaNews: Ubuntu 17.04 "Zesty Zapus" is available for download. No, this is not an Alpha or Beta, but an official stable version of the Linux-based operating system. Unfortunately, the release is a bit tainted -- it uses Unity as the official desktop environment, which Canonical has announced will be killed. Not to mention, there has been some controversy regarding some comments by Ubuntu founder Mark Shuttleworth. Just yesterday, the CEO of Canonical announced she is leaving the position. With all of the aforementioned controversy and chaos, it is understandably hard to get too excited for "Zesty Zapus," especially as this is not a long term support version. With that said, if you are an existing Ubuntu user that likes Unity, this is certainly a worthwhile upgrade if you are OK with the shorter support. Unity may no longer have a future, but version 7 will continue to be supported -- for a while, at least.

83 comments

  1. Odd Number Versions by i_ate_god · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Stay away.

    The only versions of Ubuntu that have ever been worth installing are even numbered versions that end .04

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    1. Re:Odd Number Versions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh, I started with 6.06 LTS. Your logic is flawed.

    2. Re:Odd Number Versions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd stay away from all versions where the "poor man's steve job" (codename MS) was involved...

    3. Re:Odd Number Versions by SurenEnfiajyan · · Score: 0

      And also an odd number before the point.

    4. Re:Odd Number Versions by Hamsterdan · · Score: 1

      like 12.04, 14.04, 16.04 (what I'm using on some laptops/desktops), dunno what the next 18.04 will be named, but Horny Human would be kinda cool.

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  2. Don't upgrade your LTS install to it... by mdm-adph · · Score: 2

    It's a trap!

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    1. Re:Don't upgrade your LTS install to it... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      It's a trap!

      Why would you upgrade an LTS release to a non LTS release? There's nothing trappy about.

    2. Re:Don't upgrade your LTS install to it... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Putting it on a spare laptop as I speak. If it goes well I will try it on my main machine.

  3. Spam by lucaiaco · · Score: 5, Informative

    The website the summary points to is a cluster-fuck of ads, pop-ups and video on auto-play. It also contains no useful information about the release.
    Do yourself a favor, and check the official page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/ReleaseNotes.

    1. Re:Spam by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The website the summary points to is a cluster-fuck of ads, pop-ups and video on auto-play.

      All I see is an article without a single ad on it. Unlike sex without a condom, there's nothing better about using internet without protection.

    2. Re:Spam by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      It seems you should be running https://noscript.net/. So advertising channels are OK and some really suck, use noscript to control which ones gain access to your browser. After running just a few weeks, you will find the most annoying undesirable ads gone and the OK ones remaining. So I had no problem with the site. Manage your own rules for ads, so for me, not too intrusive and not full of rubbish products and no gambling and do not kill load times. Other than those, the rest can stay, sometimes they are useful and besides https://adnauseam.io/ (I wonder if it can click ads I don't even see).

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  4. last letter by fred6666 · · Score: 1

    I just realized they used the last letter of the alphabet

    1. Re:last letter by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      I would assume the next one will be "Avid Aardvark".

    2. Re:last letter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They probably will go to an AB style name rather than recycle AA. So, for example, Angry Bonobo.

    3. Re:last letter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've already recycled HH (Hoary Hedgehog and Hardy Heron) as well as WW (Warty Warthog and Wily Werewolf)

      Also, there wasn't an Ubuntu AA so not really recycling anyway.

      Posting as Ubuntu Anonymous Cow because why not?

    4. Re:last letter by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Hoary Hedgehog and Warty Warthog were the first two releases and didn't follow the alphabetical pattern that came after, so they don't really count. I do find the AB idea very likely.

    5. Re:last letter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How's about taking this as a chance to just drop the Pokemon theme altogether?

      The "cute" name tells you nothing. Ok, you know that version "U" comes after "T" and before "V". But when was it released? When does support end? Is it LTS? You know nothing!

      If the "cute" name tells you nothing, then it is a useless piece of fluff. And a rather stupid one, I might add, because the developers end up having to hit the encyclopedia real hard to come up with those names, but it just ends up sounding stupid (the crap is a Zapus? Or a Xerus? Or a Xenial Xerus?).

      This wouldn't be so bad if the name didn't subsequently get plastered everywhere. "We provide packages of our software for Ubuntu 'Bugs Bunny' and 'Daffy Duck'". Gee, thanks a lot Mr. package provider, which one do I install on my Ubuntu 21.07 (because, while I might remember the version name, I sure as hell am not going to remember that Pokemon for more than 3 minutes, let alone 3 years)?

      Their versioning scheme is already pretty decent. Version 15.04 was released in April (04) 2015, hence, 15.04. LTS versions get an LTS slapped in front of them. Non-LTS versions are supported for 9 months and LTS versions are supported for 5 years. So support for 15.04 should end somewhere in February 2016.

      Simple. Concise. Useful.

      If the version number is more than sufficient, and provides useful information, for Pete's sake, just use that!

    6. Re:last letter by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      No, it'll be some word that begins with [. [utthroat [heetah maybe?

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    7. Re:last letter by thebullshitpatrol · · Score: 0

      the voice of autism that any good thread about Ubuntu desperately needs.

    8. Re: last letter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They should use alphabetical deserts instead!

  5. A very negative spin by sgage · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The original article was very poorly done. Ubuntu is not 'tainted'. The CEO had already had her tenure extended beyond the originally envisioned 5 years, and she and Mark had been talking about the transition for quite some time, deciding that now was the time. There is no 'controversy and chaos'.

    Brian Fagioli is a tabloid hack, just trying to stir up drama that isn't there, which is what so much tech reporting is about these days. I am coming to really hate the 'tech press'. ...

    1. Re:A very negative spin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. If only I had mod points (which I don't so I'm not even going to bother to log in).

    2. Re:A very negative spin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Another case in point: this sensationalist garbage thankfully the comments saw right through it.

    3. Re:A very negative spin by sodul · · Score: 2

      +1 this was a very loaded and biased summary. I use Apple machines for all my 'GUI' needs and Ubuntu for all my server needs so I could not care less about Unity vs Gnome vs KDE or whatever. If I'm sad about anything it would be more that Upstart never got enough love and could have been made great, instead we got to deal with Systemd, but even that is pretty invisible to me. I don't have any grudge against Shuttleworth, sure he might have made small mistakes but seems like a pretty good leader from where I sit.

    4. Re:A very negative spin by sgage · · Score: 1, Insightful

      rahvin-whatever your name is,

      Why are you such an asshole? Were you born this way, or was it something you really had to work at?

      I have been around this business for 35+ years, which is probably much longer than you have been alive, so don't be telling me to grow up. And don't go around calling calling people 'whiney bitches'. It's not clever, and it's not amusing.

      If you have something constructive and informed to say, say it, but simply tearing things down and insulting people is not helpful. Someday when you're all grown up and get a job and such, and you will come to understand what I'm saying.

    5. Re:A very negative spin by rholtzjr · · Score: 1

      Only the tech press? Man, I am thinking all press that rely on sensationalism vs journalism are the real problem getting facts to the public these days.

    6. Re:A very negative spin by shaitand · · Score: 1

      It's tainted for anyone who doesn't want to invest in using the Unity desktop when it is going away. The sad thing is they are going with Gnome which once upon a time was a great desktop but now shares a lot of the crap that makes Unity terrible. They should standardize around KDE.

    7. Re:A very negative spin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, you know, you could install Ubuntu and install a different desktop environment. I use XFCE on my Ubuntu machines. I assume Gnome is also an option, although I've never tried.

    8. Re:A very negative spin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like Trump you need to grow the fuck up, this exists because of the way we pay for these news services now. The system totally encourages them to do whatever it takes to get clicks because that's how they get paid. This is the press we've created and you should stop fucking complaining about it or do something about it and subscribe to real news services so they don't need to rely on web advertising.

      It's not anything new. Tabloid newspapers have been around since the beginning of the press - sensationalising news stories, eyecatching headlines etc. And then you had the level-headed broadsheets. This is no different. You get some bloggers who attract readers because they actually write something that's newsworthy, truthful and interesting. And then you have tabloid bloggers who do articles like this because it's much easier than getting a real following.

    9. Re:A very negative spin by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      KDE would be absurd. Cinnamon is the obvious alternative, given like Unity and GNOME 3 it's built on the same underlying software stack, but uses the desktop metaphor that, ultimately, is the key feature that stopped people from embracing GNOME 3, and to a lesser extent Unity.

      KDE also has historically had poor support under Ubuntu. Cinnamon was built for Ubuntu - that is, Mint - the base distribution from the same people - is Ubuntu + Cinnamon (or MATE)

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    10. Re:A very negative spin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gnome which once upon a time was a great desktop but now shares a lot of the crap that makes Unity terrible. They should standardize around KDE.

      KDE would be absurd. Cinnamon is the obvious alternative

      No, see, everyone should use what I use because it is the one true answer.

    11. Re:A very negative spin by tsqr · · Score: 1

      It's tainted for anyone who doesn't want to invest in using the Unity desktop when it is going away.

      You could just get the Gnome3 or Mate version and avoid the hand-wringing.

    12. Re:A very negative spin by GoblinKing · · Score: 2

      lol if you've been workong for 35 years and haven't retired yet, sorry your a poor ass computer janitor

      Well, THIS janitor has been around this business for 40+ years, not because I'm working towards retirement, but because, like many, I'm working at something that continuously challenges me and fills me with joy when I do something I like.

      Now get off my virtual lawn!

    13. Re:A very negative spin by shaitand · · Score: 1

      You certainly could and something like XFCE is definitely lighter weight. Personally I'm willing to invest about 15min in my desktop and want it feature rich. Considering Gnome and KDE were feature rich back when I ran my Linux desktop on a Pentium Pro there is no reason feature rich can't also be lightweight given how much faster the hardware is now and gpu graphics acceleration.

    14. Re:A very negative spin by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      You said gpu graphics acceleration and I counter with the sorry states of driver when you don't have the right graphics card, and the stack built around X11 (and I think X11 is great, just that Wayland might be a better idea if you want to make the desktop GPU accelerated and catch up with Windows Vista and Android 2.x)

      In fact, if you want to display some rectangular area of crap and this tasks consists in "copy window's content into a buffer", involving a crappy OpenGL driver and shitty interfacing libraries or even a copy into another buffer will only make it slower.
      Get Cinnamon, disable animations and cry at the CPU waste shown in "top".
      It's also RAM hungry and does more disk I/O than a 2D desktop.

  6. Unity 7 will be supported until April 2021 by gQuigs · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you run Ubuntu 16.04 LTS.

    Just to put some clarity around "Unity may no longer have a future, but version 7 will continue to be supported -- for a while, at least."

    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releas...

    1. Re:Unity 7 will be supported until April 2021 by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      wanna bet? face reality, you'll be running 16.04 and Unity won't get any attention for Unity patches or security holes because Canonical won't give a rats ass about it

    2. Re:Unity 7 will be supported until April 2021 by gQuigs · · Score: 1

      There will certainly be less (perhaps none), feature back-ports from stable releases. (Some Unity features from the regular release are sometimes backported to the last LTS)

      Unity itself doesn't appear to have any past CVEs, but if there is one I am confident it will be fixed.

      The biggest issue I can see would be apps removing/ending support for the Unity GlobalMenu - or the patches becoming to difficult to maintain for Firefox version 70 something.

      I'm not saying I want people to consider staying on Unity7 until 2021, just that you can and still get updates. I'd prefer if everyone used the most recent LTS myself.

    3. Re:Unity 7 will be supported until April 2021 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ubuntu might switch back to Unity by then.... (or to something else)

    4. Re:Unity 7 will be supported until April 2021 by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      One thing good, the "hardware enablement stack" : this gives newer linux and Xorg every six monthes (till 18.04 is out), and 16.04.2 is the first version that uses the first iteration of it. This brings supposedly better support for Intel Skylake/Kaby Lake graphics, AMD graphics (except if you got GCN 1.0 hardware like Radeon 7970 and R7 240, then you're fucked) and I guess basic 2D without crashes and black screen if you've a recent nvidia. (Advice for nvidia has always been to install the nvidia driver, unless your card is a few years old and you're satisfied with the graphics)

      Freezing Unity and not developing new versions reduces the amount of work to keep it secure so that is neutral to security updates, hopefully. Staying on 16.04 forever means same GTK, Cairo, Qt etc. libraries or at worst x.y.2 is replaced with x.y.3.
      This may sound like wishful thinking, if not that Ubuntu does have some resources and skimping on security updates for an LTS would be the worst press ever (as if Windows blocked all security updates if you didn't satisfy their political standards. Wait..)

    5. Re:Unity 7 will be supported until April 2021 by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      freezing Unity because no one is working on it is not neutral in regards to security or stability updates. it's dead, stick a fork in it

  7. Perchance to dream of a name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That didn't sound like Zesty Popazit.

  8. That picture... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That picture is bizarre. She looks like a very happy ponygirl.

    1. Re:That picture... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It looks more like her personal IoT device went off.

    2. Re:That picture... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forced me to click on the clickbait.

  9. Controversy and chaos, really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why does everything need to a controversy these days? Why are people in such a hair trigger emotion state all the time that any little thing results in an extreme frothing at the mouth reaction? Is society loosing the ability to have calm rational discussions and respectful disagreement? It's like people are going out of their way to be outraged over something and cranking it up to 11. Have people always been this emotionally immature and we are only seeing it more now because everyone and their dog can broadcast it over the internet, or is it just the new way for people to get attention by having the most extreme reaction?

    1. Re:Controversy and chaos, really? by sgage · · Score: 2

      It's the whole state of the culture.The anonymity of the internet surely facilitates it. And no, people have not always been so emotionally immature/insecure/confused/broken. But it's been coming on for some time...

    2. Re:Controversy and chaos, really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes. yes they have. the problem s there's now this medium where more people are exposed to their inanity. and those people are called 'millenials'. i blame their parents for not using discipline on them, and making them believe their little snowflake was special. hows that working for you now?

    3. Re:Controversy and chaos, really? by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

      Hello... Are you familiar with social media? Did you think it would bring GOOD changes upon humanity?

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    4. Re:Controversy and chaos, really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever heard of vocal minority? Or silent majority for that matter. Yes, there seem to be a group of people that get offended at everything today, nitpicking every comma in every sentence to try to find something they can complain about. To make myself feel at peace with humanity, I like to think of them as a moronic thin-skinned minority of bullies.

      (See what I did there?)

    5. Re:Controversy and chaos, really? by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Because it sells. Calm coverage doesn't get nearly as many clicks so it gets evolutionary weeded out.

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    6. Re:Controversy and chaos, really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOSING! LOSING, YOU RETARD! NOT "LOOSING"! "LOOSING" MEANS "TO LET LOOSE!"
      Now, where were we?

      Why the actual fuck is this shitty site code complaining about my use of caps. It's called satire. Fuck Slashdot and the horse they rode in on.

  10. It's the Linux monoculture that's worrying! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The real issue here is that a monoculture is forming within the world of Linux distros, and that's not a good thing at all.

    Even if a lot of people hated them, at least projects like Upstart, Unity and Mir presented alternatives. They provided competition and a place for new ideas to emerge. This diversity is needed in any healthy ecosystem, including the Linux distro ecosystem.

    With Ubuntu moving to systemd and GNOME 3 there's little that sets it apart from Debian.

    What's worse, with Debian moving to systemd and GNOME 3 there's little that sets it apart from Fedora.

    Really, what's the major difference between Fedora and Debian these days? Pretty much only that you type "dnf" to manage packages when using Fedora, and "apt" when using Debian.

    Otherwise, Debian and Fedora use the same kernel, the same init system, the same windowing system, the same desktop environment, and the same userland software.

    This is usually when small-minded people say something like, "But there are other desktop environments!" or "But there are other distros!". Of course, they don't realize that these desktop environments and Linux distros are second-, third-, or even fourth-class citizens. Sensible people can't justify using a Linux distro that's just somebody's hobby project (like Slackware, Devuan, and even Gentoo). Sensible people can't justify using a desktop environment that appears to be abandoned (like Xfce, whose last release is Feb. 2015).

    If you've been using Linux seriously, there have really only been 3 practical options available for several years now:

    1) Fedora, RHEL, and derived distros.
    2) Debian
    3) Ubuntu

    Now we can take 3) off of the table, since it'll be almost identical to 2). And with Debian using systemd and GNOME 3, we might as well remove 2). Now all we're left with is 1).

    "Linux distro" is starting to mean just one thing: whatever Red Hat throws at us.

    The once vibrant Linux ecosystem is falling apart rapidly, and we're losing so much choice as a result of this. Within a few years we'll all be using Fedora, or something like a "Debian" or "Ubuntu" that will basically be Fedora with a different name.

    1. Re:It's the Linux monoculture that's worrying! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Despite any false resemblance to socialism, Open Source is all about money because serious development and serious support is only done by paid people. Combine this with humans' tendencies to converge towards monopolies, celebrities, and royalty and you have a handful of successful open source projects made in large parts by a handful of successful companies (while others just fake being successful).

      From a user's perspective, the only real benefit that open source brings to the table is easy and free procurement. And from a developer's perspective it's the distribution channels and marketing, but only if redhat/fedora uses the package (ultimately, nearly all others are just followers).

    2. Re: It's the Linux monoculture that's worrying! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Humans don't converge towards monopolies. Nature converges. The thing that works best on most, wins.

    3. Re:It's the Linux monoculture that's worrying! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      From a user's perspective, the only real benefit that open source brings to the table is easy and free procurement.

      I don't think you really understand what open source software is about. The cost of procurement is not the main benefit of FOSS.

    4. Re:It's the Linux monoculture that's worrying! by gfxguy · · Score: 2

      From a user's perspective, the only real benefit that open source brings to the table is easy and free procurement.

      I don't think you really understand what open source software is about. The cost of procurement is not the main benefit of FOSS.

      For us it's not, for 90% of the users it is, rightly or wrongly.

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    5. Re:It's the Linux monoculture that's worrying! by sjames · · Score: 1

      There are a number of other benefits. For example, try changing your desktop environment on Mac or Windows if you don't like the default. Just look at how many changes MS made to add more tracking and to pester their users into "upgrading"

    6. Re: It's the Linux monoculture that's worrying! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong serius support is done by one self. Money only comes in to picture if you want some one else to do it for but i would hardly call that being serius

    7. Re:It's the Linux monoculture that's worrying! by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      Yes, I get it, but that's not why most people are using Linux.

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    8. Re:It's the Linux monoculture that's worrying! by sjames · · Score: 1

      Most people don't switch around, but many do appreciate being able to pick a favorite. Compare when Gnome went south vs Windows 8.

    9. Re:It's the Linux monoculture that's worrying! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "With Ubuntu moving to systemd and GNOME 3 there's little that sets it apart from Debian.

      What's worse, with Debian moving to systemd and GNOME 3 there's little that sets it apart from Fedora."

      Yes there is Debian is rock solid and reliable. Ubuntu and Fedora are buggy pieces of S

  11. /. EDITORS, NO MORE "BETANEWS" PLEASE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Almost every day we're subjected to a summary that links to a "BetaNews" article. On March 31 we were subjected to two such submissions. On March 25 we were subjected to three of them!

    Please, Slashdot editors, stop putting submissions that link to "BetaNews" articles on the front page! The quality is just not sufficient, even by Slashdot's horribly low standards.

    If we really wanted to read "BetaNews" articles, we'd go to that site directly each day. The thing is, we don't want to read "BetaNews" articles!

    As far as I'm concerned, there's absolutely no legitimate reason for a summary here to be linking to a "BetaNews" article.

    We should not be seeing a submission linking to "BetaNews" nearly every day. Even once a month would be too much.

    So let's cut it out, ok? If a summary links to a "BetaNews" article, discard it. Do not put it on the Slashdot front page.

  12. Betanews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remember back when Betanews had news about beta software, and not just clickbait bullshit like this? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

  13. Not interested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I left Ubuntu for greener pastures when they started the GUI sillyness.

  14. Ubuntu is done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I actually thought Shuttleworth made some valid points about the open source community. Others had made similar low key remarks to this effect. Some in the community are snobs and introverts and don't mind being that way. Its much like a cult group who only accept those truly committed to open source pure and simple. How many have condemned the Chrome OS or even Android as not being pure enough to be called open source. Even Ubuntu itself was chastised for making it easy for DRM content to be played on its OS. Unity was also condemned for being outside the box of normal open source. Jesus people its free to download either use it or not, stop the whine already.

  15. Win 10 by fluffernutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You have to admit, it's still better than Windows 10.

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    1. Re:Win 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the Ubuntu motto. "If the bar is low enough, we can step over it!"

    2. Re:Win 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      18.04 wont be

  16. Royalty-free Picture from MegaPIxl by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1
  17. kubuntu Zz is out without changing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Noone will miss Unity only Shuttleworth forks

  18. LXDE, XFCE, GNOME3, GNOME2, ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If you don't want/like the UNITY desktop, Ubuntu 17.04 ("Zesty Zappus") is available in a wide variety of "flavors" to suit any taste:

    * XUbuntu: XFCE
    * LUbuntu: LXDE
    * Ubuntu-GNOME: GNOME 3
    * Ubuntu-MATE: GNOME 2
    * Ubuntu: UNITY

    Download the flavor you want from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/

    RE: Lack of LTS... I usually run non-LTS versions in a free VM -- Oracle Virtualbox. But VMWare player works too.

    1. Re:LXDE, XFCE, GNOME3, GNOME2, ... by bagofbeans · · Score: 2

      Xu and Lu are kinda tricky to download since not released yet in 17.04.

      Ku is out though http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/

  19. I think "unity" was the reason by Kartu · · Score: 1

    I stopped using ubuntu.

    I normally use windoze anyhow, but for cases when I needed Linux, it was Ubuntu.
    Then, suddenly, desktop, start menu and taskbar that I was used to, were there no more.

    Tried mint/arch, liked both, still using.

  20. Please don't use ubuntu!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There a hundreds of other options out there. Most of them better.

  21. Ubuntu is tainted by Unity? by najajomo · · Score: 1

    'Ubuntu 17.04 "Zesty Zapus" is available for download .. Unfortunately, the release is a bit tainted -- it uses Unity as the official desktop environment

    Then download the Lubuntu version which used the LXDE desktop environment.

  22. zesty zapus? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    linux is a fuckin joke

  23. Ubuntu Gnome by grege1 · · Score: 1

    Just install Ubuntu Gnome 17.04 and get a six to twelve month head start on everyone else.

  24. Featuring Unity? by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    Featuring Unity? I don't think that's actually something you want to brag about.