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US Navy Bans Vaping On Ships (go.com)
The U.S. Navy announced today that it will no longer allow sailors to use electronic cigarettes on ships, following several reports of explosives and injuries. ABC News reports: Naval commanders said in a statement Friday that the temporary electronic cigarette policy aims to protect sailors and the fleet. It starts next month. Officials cited overheated batteries in vaping equipment as the problem. Explosions have led to fires, first-degree burns and facial disfigurement. During a recent eight-month stretch, 12 incidents put sailors out of work for a combined 77 days. Injuries also restricted some to light duty for a total of five months.
to handle the fires, so this is just sad. They are better equipped than just about anyone to handle the vaping fires.
The bigger fish they should be frying should be the "crippling construction defects" affecting their newer ships other than focusing on minor issues like vaping in my opinion.
There is no military draft right now.
That means that 100% of the personnel in the Navy are in the Navy because they
CHOSE to be in the navy.
If you fuckers in the Navy don't like being told what you cannot do, you shouldn't have enlisted.
What a bunch of pussies. If you were being shot at, you'd quit whining about vaping damned quick.
Why not, I dunno, sell government approved vape pens in the commissary? From what I've read, most of the incidents with vaping are from people trying to "soup up" their vape machines. This amounts to banning Honda Civics on base because a few ill informed morons cause them to ignite by modifying them in ways they don't really understand.
>nicotine as carcinogenic
lmao?
Pull your heads out of your asses
I don't think they teach pulling out in Navy boot camp.
Fuck off
How fucking stupid must you have been to have cast your vote for Trump?
Were your born a faggot?
As long as they still allow transsexuals to serve in the Navy, it's OK.
Nicotine isn't carginogenic, Einstein, the thousands of toxic organic compounds produced by combustion are. At least try to get your facts straight before spouting off this bullshit.
So these Navy personel are qualified to operate ships and submarines, but aren't smart enough to know better than to carry loose lithium-ion batteries in their pockets along with change, keys, etc.
You must be fun at parties, Mr. Philistine Teetotaller. Stay straight edge and a virgin! I'm sure it will pay off when you die and your invisible sky daddy welcomes you into faerie land.
Vaping juice contains mostly the same components as your average medical inhaler cartridge plus some food grade flavorings. There's health concerns if you're dealing with one of the cloud chaser types, but for the most part it's healthier than your average handful of potato chips.
I wish they would ban this in my workplace. It's smoking, lite, isn't it?
The vapers I run across seem to have the attitude of "it ain't tobacco, nobody has proved it hurts anyone, lets see how much of this shit I can put into the air".
None of my friends vape, and I'll never be friends with a vaper.
Then again, I'm 58 and have yet to run into a vaper over 30. Don't trust anyone under 30 someone famous almost said 40 years ago.
No surprise there. Also, you get the added benefit of not looking like a pussy.
Excellent. Vaping is as retarded as smoking.
Propylene glycol and glycerin kill pathogens in the air by the millions. We're making the air cleaner for assholes like you to breathe. Show the evidence of harm or stuff it up your ass.
The primary antisocial aspects of smoking have nothing to do with health effects and are still very present in vaping. The fact that vaping is less suicidal than regular smoking only means there's less motivation for the assholes doing it to ever stop.
Because they aren't Catholic priests
I may be wrong, but I don't think those sexual abuse cases were about being gay. I think they were about being in proximity of vulnerable children and teenagers, most of which were males.
Look at what just came out about that Connecticut boarding school. Decades of abuse but since it was coed, many of the victims were girls.
lucm, indeed.
The primary antisocial aspects of smoking have nothing to do with health effects and are still very present in vaping.
The primary antisocial aspect of smoking is the risk of cancer from second hand smoke. While the risk is very small, it is really not acceptable to raise some other person's cancer risk simply to feed one's addiction. It's not even for convenience! Just stupidity. The secondary antisocial aspect is the odor that others have to put up with. While I know intellectually that they have all kinds of scented bullshit for people to vape, I have never actually smelled any of it, and I see people vaping all the time. So unless you have some evidence that second-hand vaping is measurably carcinogenic, no, the primary antisocial aspects of smoking are not "very" present in vaping.
ObDisclaimer: I do not vape nicotine juice. I have never vaped in public.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Nicotine isn't carginogenic, Einstein
Says you. Science, on the other hand, says otherwise.
Nicotine is a known risk factor for cancer development and has been shown to alter gene expression in cells and tissue upon exposure.
[...]
This study reveals previously unknown consequences of nicotine stress on the transcriptome of normal breast epithelial cells and provides insight into the underlying biological influence of nicotine on normal cells, marking the foundation for future studies.
Read the study here:
http://journals.plos.org/ploso...
lucm, indeed.
The only assholes out there are the ones who seem to want to control what other people do. Whats next with you puritan nannies - alcohol, coffee, bubble gum? No wonder no one wants to hang out with you.
Anyone that vapes is a faggot.
The primary antisocial aspect of smoking is LOOKING LIKE THE IDIOT THAT YOU ARE IF YOU SMOKE .
there I fixed it for you
You have fallen for lies and propoganda. Inform yourself:
http://www.ecigarette-politics.com/nicotine-propaganda.html
You do know that nicotine is present in many foods (tomato, eggplant, potato, etc) right? Better stop eating those. While you're at it, give two other names for Vitamin B3 (not niacin). Yep, keep demonizing nicotine but keep on consuming it... hypocrite.
The primary antisocial aspect of smoking is LOOKING LIKE THE IDIOT THAT YOU ARE IF YOU SMOKE .
there I fixed it for you
No, that's completely wrong. Someone I can't even see can choke me with their smoke. I've been a smoker, but I haven't been one for years now (not even a cheat smoke, that's fucking gross) and now that I'm not accustomed to sucking smoke all the time, it sets off my asthma immediately.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
You have fallen for lies and propoganda
Says the guy who provides a link to an e-cigarette lobbyist website
lucm, indeed.
Addicts are simultaneously sad and hilarious
Says the guy who believes in studies sponsored by the pharmaceutical industry. Why do you think pharma companies are allowed to market their nicotine replacement therapy products over the counter. Gums, patches, lozenges... who stands to lose the most if the truth regarding nicotine is widely known?
The primary antisocial aspect of smoking is the risk of cancer from second hand smoke.
Um, no. The primary antisocial aspect of smoking is it stinks. Smokers stink. The areas they smoke in stink. Add to that smokers tend to leave their butts anywhere and everywhere. They are fucking obnoxious, over half don't even get why non-smokers don't like them.
The only assholes out there are the ones who seem to want to control what other people do. Whats next with you puritan nannies - alcohol, coffee, bubble gum?
If I drink alcohol that affects you how exactly, long as I don't drive (or post, I guess). Coffee? You wanna hang out in front of the urinal to write your app that will make you millions? Please. Bubble gum? Bubble gum under the table is nowhere near as obnoxious as smoke in the air that I breath.
Smokers and vapers are both scum that should somehow be turned into refugees sent into Syria, one to one, bringing a Syrian to the USA to rebuild their life.
Yeah! Now get in your car and drive away.
Congratulations, you have just run into a vaper over 30.
Yes yes, you suck cock and don't want to have that oral motion spread. It's ok, it isn't harmful, and you can still gobble all the cock you want. Lighten up.
Ok kid shut up. Adults are talking now.
Hey guys, remember how everyone dies? Yeah, there's this dumbass kid on the internet who thinks if he doesn't smoke or do drugs he won't get cancer.
LOL! I know right. If you get old enough cancer just happens no matter how you lived your life.
Yeah, what a tool. Wait till he hears how many drugs are in every cities tap water. I bet he'll have an aneurysm.
Says the guy who believes in studies sponsored by the pharmaceutical industry.
Did you take a minute to check the link? This study was done at Virginia Tech.
This work was supported by the Medical Informatics and Systems Division director's fund at Virginia Bioinformatics Institute. The funders had no role in study design, data collection and analysis, decision to publish, or preparation of the manuscript.
lucm, indeed.
> The primary antisocial aspect of smoking is the risk of cancer from second hand smoke.
The secondary aspects are also problematic. I've acquaintances with asthma, and at my age, acquaintances with emphysema and with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. Many of those cases were due to smoking, but fewer and fewer as time progresses and smoking has fallen out of favor. I still meet some, as I age and run into other people as old or older than myself, and I've been able to see their lives as easier without smoke in the workplace or on the streets.
Buy sub-standard shit, and reap the rewards. Laptops, phones, "hoverboards", e-cigs, whatever. Chinese crap.
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
also, beatings will continue until morale improves.
as should ZDR, FAU, and the other fuckers undermining lowtax.
If I drink alcohol that affects you how exactly
Raising everyone's premiums when your stupid ass is dying of cirrhosis and costing insurance companies money.
I'm frankly very surprised by the extreme lack of any understanding of what vaping is, how electronic cigarettes work, in even the most general sense, or what's in e liquid or the vapor. There has been basically no correct information stated anywhere in this whole comment section, except that the actual cause of these injuries is cheap, low quality, Chinese batteries.
Vaping is a harm reduction activity, for people who have been unsuccessful trying to quit smoking. If you can't get off nicotine, better to get it from vaping than smoking. The Royal College of Physicians in the U.K. estimates vaping is approximately 95% less harmful than cigarettes. You can think what you want, but if you think it's just as bad as cigarettes, you are an idiot. It's also not water vapor being exhaled. I'm not sure where that ever came from, but in it's attempt to make vaping sound safe, it instead makes anyone who repeats it sound stupid. There's no reason for most people to care about vaping unless they know someone who does it, but just know, it's keeping someone from smoking, and that should be reason enough to be ok with at, as long as they don't blow it right in your face.
I agree that the young crowd who only want to blow huge clouds are ruining it for everyone else, but if it's keeping them off combustible cigarettes, it's still ok with me.
I'm an ex-(ish)smoke who 'vapes.' There are two types of ecigs: the little pencil ones I use to no one's notice AND the 600W vapo-trails that fill a room w/ stink. I can see banning the latter as you billow a volcano of vapor to the annoyance of others; the little ones no one, not even the steward on a 15 hour flight notices. Distinguish people! //end rant.
I think you may be a little uniformed. I am near 60 and I vape. So what's my story? I tried quitting smoking for ten years and failed. Started vaping and I have not had a cigarette in two and one half years. I have had two heart attacks, two pulmonary embolisms, and have two stents from smoking. I could feel a difference in my health within a few days after starting to vape. Is nicotine safe? Probably not. Is it safer than the 3000+ harmful components of the typical American chemical laden cigarette? Certainly. The difference is that I use regulated box mods rather than unregulated mods. The chance for explosion is always present if a battery has been dropped. Hell, I have seen cigarettes burst into flame when the chemicals, esp. salt peter, were improperly mixed. If the military wants people off cigarettes, then vaping is an alternative providing you do not overcharge the batteries, drop them, or use unregulated box mods.
Then again, I'm 58 and have yet to run into a vaper over 30. Don't trust anyone under 30 someone famous almost said 40 years ago.
I'm pushing 70, and you got that backwards. In the 60's we were saying "never trust anyone over 30", not under. ...
I had to look it up because I don't remember from then either. Something in the air, I think
There's a documentary from then: (Wild in the Streets) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt00...
So wait, it kills shit, so it's good to inhale into your body?
I think it's time to call it. Vaping industry at large is wholly incompetent.
Don't go to any concerts with fog machines, same shit. Warn the people who use inhalers, same shit. Go to any large office or hospital environmental control room, theres the same shit being injected into the HVAC. Shampoo your hair or brush your teeth much? Darn if its not that same shit again. Look in many food products, flavorings and flavored water, you guessed it, same shit.
Kinda tough to avoid that shit considering the shit is damn near everywhere.
sailors will go back to cigarettes.... way to reduce the pension fund? After all, dead sailors dont cost anything, but the lung damage will cost a lot in their final few years of life. This is ridiculous, just set a mil spec standard, let the free market meet that demand, the majority of battery fires are due to cheap ass Chinese crap or as other posters said, heavy mods done incorrectly.
No, he's not wrong. A few days ago I was walking down the street when I saw a guy smoking a cigarette. It looked so dated and ridiculous. I actually felt pity for the poor, out-of-touch guy and I am someone who smoked for 20 years (but quit 8 years ago).
New information as of 2013, with no confirmation studies done to-date or meaningful news coverage.
Probably because it was published in a Brazillian journal of no significance that no one reads.
Can't really blame someone for not knowing about it. All other sources of study on nicotine indicates no carcinogenic properties. It's the other stuff in cigarettes that kill you.
So what? Everyone should hop on your wagon now?
Wow you are such a crybaby.
People stink even if they don't smoke. Unless you are so privileged as to always work alone or in a place with A/C all the time. The whole reason I smoke is so I can't smell you dirty animals(kidding.)
With the fickle reasoning you use to hate smokers you really aren't going to enjoy getting old.
You may as well start smoking 2 packs a day now and get it over with quickly.
this thread has devolved into argument by swearing.
maybe they should be used in Afghanistan. Cheaper than dropping that MOAB! :-)
As you did, one can easily state that giving and taking orders is the prime mode of operation in leadership, and in the meantime it is.
However especially in times of crisis you need soft skills, you need to have leadership to build up a working team a unit of individuals that works seamlessly, is mentally stable.
A crisis situation will draw out the real personality of a human and a solid team will stick together and control the extremes.
And part of that is team building encouragement and a certain amount of leasure time - and even if they want to smoke or to vap - its a stress releave mechanism anyway. Smoking/vaping is also a social mechanism. (smokers group together)
Military is team work.
This is why even in the military you need to take account of the human factor, when you ignore it, you will destroy your resources.
Vitamin B3 is structurally similar to nicotine. They are otherwise not related in any way.
Do you eat 10KG of eggplant or 20KG of tomatoes a day? That's how much you would need to eat for the equivalent nicotine to ONE Cigarette.
Wow, you really are grasping at straws to prove vaping is safe, aren't ya.
That study is not science. It's the same science that shows milk gives you cancer. Did you know nicotine is toxic? A drop of pure nicotine on your skin kills you. Did you by eating foods with salt you will die because it's a poison? 200g (~1 cup) of salt is a lethal dose for an average-sized person.
Nicotine does not cause cancer moron. If you link a study, at least read it first. Your study says that you'll get cancer from gene mutations, which are caused by nicotine. An amount of nicotine that you couldn't get from smoking 1000 unfiltered cigs per... Hour.
Retards should not try to interpret scientific studies. They certainly shouldn't shove it in the face of people smarter than you. Actually - you should, and please do. We enjoy laughing at idiots who make loud fools of themselves. Clowns are stupid fun for everyone.
I am vaping right now with no nicotine though - like most people do. Glycerine and propylene glycol. You know - the shit you eat and lotion your body with. Now come on clown - send me some links that prove I'm smoking car antifreeze. Links to youtube science videos please. I don't like reading.
It's even sadder if you have parties without some intoxicants, damage control or not.
Ezekiel 23:20
"healthier than your average handful of potato chips."
Heat them to 300 degrees and inhale the vapors.
Fuck off that's healthy.
Um, no. The primary antisocial aspect of smoking is it stinks. Smokers stink.
Stink doesn't lead to a painful bed death, breathing through a ventilator. Maybe you should reconsider your priorities.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
A few days ago I was walking down the street when I saw a guy smoking a cigarette. It looked so dated and ridiculous. I actually felt pity for the poor, out-of-touch guy and I am someone who smoked for 20 years (but quit 8 years ago).
A few days ago I was walking down the street, when I caught a big lungful of smoke that some addict breathed out around a fucking corner from me, when I couldn't even see him. It left me wheezing for minutes. Someone with more severe asthma who had left their rescue inhaler at home might have died. I actually feel sorry for ACs all the time, for how bullshit they are. Guess how I feel right now?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
You must have a very limited circle of acquaintances.
I know vapers of all ages, from 18 to 80, quite literally.
"I'll never be friends with a vaper" makes you sound retarded, because the reason you provide is retarded.
...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
All medicine which goes into your body through a nebulizer kills shit and is good to inhale into your body.
...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
If I drink alcohol that affects you how exactly, long as I don't drive (or post, I guess).
You gotta be kidding...
https://www.ncadd.org/about-ad...
...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
Submarines: 150 men go down; 75 couples come up...
I see that you, sir, have never heard of diacetyl or acetyl propionyl, which are food flavorings that cause permanent damage to lungs when inhaled.
It's an acquired taste, like chicken.
You are correct, I hadn't heard. I have heard a great deal of hand wringing about...well, every single food product giving me cancer. Everything from mcnuggets to organic potatoes grown in my own backyard. With the aforementioned chips, it'd be acrylamides that'd definitely maybe kill me. So, you know, whatever.
Yes, they do, in quantities greater than you could ever get from vaping. Cigarettes contain diacetyl in much greater amounts (like 2 orders of magnitude). Also most flavors made for vaping are going away from using these chemicals due to the concerns.
Vaping weed provides wayyyy less offence to most around you. Vape pens are the new normal in dispensary land.
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Regardless of your intent, your statement insults both drafted and enlisted.
No they don't, and there's no point in you in being offended on their behalf. Veterans are not fragile children that must be protected from possibly controversial discussions, they're normal people who happened to have been to war. If a veteran comes here and start using his military background to support his accusation of cowardice aimed at other users, he's opening the door to questioning his own courage. This is not disrespectful of military service, don't SJW-ize it.
lucm, indeed.
You've gotta be stupid...
Replying to erase accidental moderation.
After reports of explosives?
Cancer isn't the only dangerous thing smoking causes, although it is the most scary thing. Smoking can cause all sorts of respiratory distress and heart issues.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
The Navy is only banning vaping on shippings and I can see the reasoning for it. While vaping may be better for your health long term the situation on board a ship is a bit different. First of all, you're on a ship. You don't have access to expert medical facilities so while vape devices have thus far only caused 77 days worth of injuries, they've been minor enough that they could be handled by the ship's medbay. There's likely a concern here regarding a more severe injury and the isolation from higher quality medical services where something that shouldn't be life-threatening if you were stateside or on a base suddenly becomes life threatening.
While vaping may be healthier compared to cigarettes you're talking long term chronic health. There's no question that when we're talking about short-term and immediate health that cigarettes are safer than vaping and I can't believe I just typed that phrase.
"Lack of speed can be overcome. In the worst case by patience." --Znork
90 couples. There are always people cheating.
Source: was in the navy on a submarine
No, I'm not gay, but the jokes are hilarious