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Facebook Targets 30,000 Fake France Accounts Before Election (go.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from ABC News: Facebook says it has targeted 30,000 fake accounts linked to France ahead of the country's presidential election, as part of a worldwide effort against misinformation. The company said Thursday it's trying to "reduce the spread of material generated through inauthentic activity, including spam, misinformation, or other deceptive content that is often shared by creators of fake accounts." It said its efforts "enabled us to take action" against the French accounts and that it is removing sites with the highest traffic. Facebook and French media are also running fact-checking programs in France to combat misleading information, especially around the campaign for the two-round April 23-May 7 presidential election. European authorities have also pressured Facebook and Twitter to remove extremist propaganda or other postings that violate European hate speech or other laws.

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  1. To be or not to be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To be scared or not to be scared, that is the question.

  2. Good approach but by volodymyrbiryuk · · Score: 1

    Not the real problem. The real problem are people who make their vote decision based on facts they get on Facebook posts.

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    1. Re:Good approach but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real problem is freedom of the press. We need to get rid of it. Bring back Hitler. Vichy France was best France.

    2. Re:Good approach but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hitler wouldn't need to take over a country with military, when he can plant a puppet into power using propaganda and neutralize the countries military in one go.

      Spam is spam, its not people talking, its algorithms spamming.

    3. Re:Good approach but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real problem is freedom of the press. We need to get rid of it.

      What for? Pretty much all press is already on the same side. The real problem is individuals, but since they speak on Zuckerberg's site it's easy to silence them.
      And remember kids, it isn't censorship when a company does it.

    4. Re:Good approach but by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      It's not going to last forever. People will learn not to trust everything they read on the net. They're naturally trained to trust *written* sources that look like print, as they've been more or less authoritative their whole life (newspapers, books, etc). I remember when my family first got on e-mail, and it took a few years for them to stop falling for every e-mail hoax in existence (it took more than a few carefully worded replies with links to Snopes). I think the same thing will happen with fake news online. People get burned enough by it, and they'll get more jaded, and learn to stop trusting every website just because it looks slick and "official". Of course, there will always be a few that never learn, but that's just about true with anything.

      European authorities have also pressured Facebook and Twitter to remove extremist propaganda or other postings that violate European hate speech or other laws.

      This part sounds most troublesome to me. I feel it's best to let everyone fight it out in the open, without the government appearing to take sides, because any political opposition could easily be characterized as "hate speech". Of course, that's an American perspective. I might have a different opinion with a history involving "hate speech" that led to a fanatical army running rampant over my country and causing a holocaust.

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  3. Fact checking? by guruevi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sounds more like shaping the message they want you to hear.

    We all know how well "fact checking" and poll massaging CNN and Politifact were doing prior to the elections in an attempt to shape the election and it backfired.

    Even if the content is considered fringe to the MSM, repressing it usually has the opposite effect, it only confirms the persecution complex of those fringe groups.

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    1. Re:Fact checking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      CNN and a number of the "news" organizations are still spreading their lies through Facebook. It's just that their lies fits Zucker's agenda so they're left to stand. Like it or not, Facebook is now a media outlet of its own and they're shaping the consciousness of their users.

    2. Re:Fact checking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      None of that is true. CNN did not attempt to shape the elections. They reported facts. You just don't like the facts.

      Putin, on the other hand, did try to shape the US election, and succeeded. So much so, that the US launched a missile strike against Syria, and Putin was informed ahead of time. Putin inturn informed Assad, who removed all the aircraft from the base. We call such people spies. Today that spy is undermining a missile strike, tomorrow he'll be sending American troops to pre-arranged Russian traps.

    3. Re:Fact checking? by admin7087 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As incomprehensible as this may appear to some people, there are facts and it's also very easy to get down to them and discern real news from false news and its way worse cousin fake news. If some alleged news does not withstand repeated scrutinity from various different news organizations, including professional ones, and if it is not taken up by many different sources including professional ones, then it's most likely false news and might also be fake news. (The latter is even easier to spot for anyone but the mentally deranged, but see the comment below.) As for "fringe content", that is reported by news agencies every day, if you're interested in local traffic accidents, curious or funny anecdotes, etc. you should get a subscriptions to AP, Reuters, etc.

      If some news is repeated by many different newspapers and TV channels, that's a good sign, because there is only one reality.

      The people who think there are multiple realities are confused, they confuse opinions and editorial comments with facts and have chosen bad and unreliable sources (news aggregator sites, for instance). In my experience a principle from sound engineering describes very well what's going on when people start to get confused, babble about social constructivism or 'alternative facts': Garbage in, garbage out. If you get your 'news' primarily from Facebook, that's too bad for you.

    4. Re:Fact checking? by Notabadguy · · Score: 5, Informative

      None of that is true. CNN did not attempt to shape the elections. They reported facts. You just don't like the facts.

      Perhaps you should research the CNN blackout of Bernie Sanders to promote Hillary Clinton.

      Or the CNN clip telling its viewers that it's illegal to read the wikileaks e-mail, and that we're only allowed to get information parsed through CNN. Here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      Or perhaps the January fiasco where CNN got themselves labeled fake news (again) by reporting that Russia had compromising personal and financial information leashing Trump? You know, the stuff no one else would publish?

      You could google "CNN Fake news" or "CNN controversies" if you were really interested in seeing whether CNN is really just a fact reporting organization or not. I don't think you will though; your opinion is your opinion at this stage in your life, and rather than searching for facts, you search for spin that supports your view.

    5. Re:Fact checking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How did Russia try to shape the election? By having a TV channel (RT) that Madame President didn't like? Boohoo, it's called freedom of the press, shithead.

    6. Re:Fact checking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A disturbing number of people, especially millennials, use Facebook as a news source for political news. Conversely, Baby Boomers are the least likely group to use Facebook for political news, although they still do to an extent.

      Let's put all news AND discussion in the hands of heavily censored and centrally controlled social networking sites! What could possibly go wrong?

    7. Re:Fact checking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      CNN reported some facts, parts of other facts, suppressed more facts, and put heavy spin on everything from top to bottom. The Clinton News Network had an agenda, and it wasn't "telling the truth".

      As for Syria - you do know that the US-Russia agreement was created by Obama, right? He wanted to make sure that when the US was bombing stuff in Syria, he didn't kill any Russians and accidentally start WWIII. Now you call Trump a 'spy' for doing the same thing?
      Seriously, take your head out of your ass and try to think for a few minutes. You might like it.

    8. Re:Fact checking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would like to note that while CNN was a bit bold reporting the Steele dossier, they reported the news. They didn't claim the dossier was true.

      Yes, they were very careful to let smaller, less reputable outfits make the big claims while they only lent their weight to establishing the credibility of the story..

    9. Re:Fact checking? by Notabadguy · · Score: 2

      I would like to note that while CNN was a bit bold reporting the Steele dossier, they reported the news. They didn't claim the dossier was true.

      Yes - ONE of those things on that list may turn out to possibly not be fake news, spin, or lies.

      Congrats. That's precisely what *I* look for in a reputable news source.

    10. Re:Fact checking? by Mashiki · · Score: 4, Informative

      I guess that's why they had so many cases where people were suddenly "cut off" when they started talking about things that CNN considered forbidden. And they did so, so many times that it became a meme. As for CNN trying to shape the election? Remember their reporters(along with politico, nbc, and several other publications) getting caught sending drafts to the DNC? Then there were the other cases where they directly published stuff from the DNC. You can find those both in the wikileaks dumps. Then there was the case where someone under their employ(Donna Brazile) fed Clinton debate questions. Oh you bet your ass they tried to shape the election and got caught doing it.

      The US on the other hand, interfered with so many European elections that it's scary. And Russian elections, and in Canadian elections, and Israeli, and, and, and, and....

      Hey did you catch that bit about the Steele thing? You know where they're refusing to answer any questions regarding it to the senate intelligence committee? No? That's okay. It's not like something doesn't stink there.

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    11. Re:Fact checking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like how Fox News is never on these lists. CNN, FOX, NBC, Briebart. They are equally terrible.

    12. Re:Fact checking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Posting AC to not unmod people. I don't understand why people go so far as to defend networks that have ran short stories for 15+ years. This new generation is fucking stupid. They would rather believe what they want to hear than be told that the world is not all Peaches and raspberries, and then when somebody tells them how the world really works they call them racist yell obscenities and basically stick their fingers in their ears saying "na na na I can't hear you" and then wonder how somebody was able to kill 110 people in a "gun free safe zone". It disgusts me. I'm only about to turn 30, so unfortunately it's my generation and the ones that raised us caused this.

    13. Re:Fact checking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes - ONE of those things on that list may turn out to possibly not be fake news, spin, or lies.

      Congrats. That's precisely what *I* look for in a reputable news source.

      How do you know its just 'ONE'?

      Seems like you are indulging in exactly the same spin that you accuse others of.
      But that's OK, right? Everybody is equally venal and any attempt to live up to journalistic standards is just false cover for propaganda. So your spinning makes you equally trustworthy as CNN, maybe even better since you don't pretend to be nonpartisan. You are honest with your lies, they lie about their lies.

    14. Re:Fact checking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You forgot Project Veritas, who had an intern wear a wire and caught Authur Brice, Executive Editor of CNN saying to buy tweets to add believability to their stories. CNN is agitprop.

    15. Re:Fact checking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > and if it is not taken up by many different sources including professional ones, then it's most likely false news and might also be fake news.

      The fakers are well aware of this. They've taken two steps to compensate:

      (1) Construct an alternate media ecosystem with hundreds of news sources with the full range of national-enquirer level to very professional looking sites
      (2) Constantly bang away at every error, no matter the scope, made by professional news sources. Hold them to unreasonable standards (standards that they can't even hope of meeting themselves) in order to de-legitimize those sources in the minds of people looking for excuses to dismiss them.

      These facebook accounts are part of #1, often they are feeders meant to channel people into the websites of this alternate ecosystem.

      Ultimately it comes down to people choosing to uncritically believe articles that confirm their biases. Its as if a whole segment of the population never learned the proverb that "If its too good to be true, it probably is."

    16. Re:Fact checking? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      We all know how well "fact checking" and poll massaging CNN and Politifact were doing prior to the elections

      You're right, the Russians were much more effective.

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    17. Re: Fact checking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or the time they gave debate questions to Hillary.

      Or the time they falsely claimed to have about 12M audience for the inauguration (truth was about 3.5M).

    18. Re:Fact checking? by Pentomino · · Score: 0, Troll

      Ever notice how people who attack CNN for how they treated Bernie, somehow never mention Fox News' 20 years of consistent and deliberate lying, nor to both networks' bounty of free airtime to the Trump campaign?

      Yes, CNN was "declared fake news". Directly by the President, who has declared uncooperative journalists his enemy.

      So, Fox's 20-year war against facts has finally succeeded, and Trump's war on journalism itself has only started. The weakening of the American spirit will continue, until the one-party system is cemented into place.

      I can see why you're defending the propagandists from France's efforts to fight them. It would work so much better for the Kremlin, if only Western Europe would also destroy itself in this way, wouldn't it? But of course, we're not supposed to believe in that, either. It's not politically correct?

    19. Re: Fact checking? by Type44Q · · Score: 0

      CNN did not attempt to shape the elections. They reported facts. You just don't like the facts.

      Sure, dude; whatever you say...

    20. Re:Fact checking? by Crashmarik · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I notice people who have a beef with Fox never mention specific incidents for some reason.

      The people who don't like CNN, on the other hand, have specifics, whats more they have the reporters donating to and working for the candidates they cover.

      But speaking of long term vendettas in the news, somehow those people who don't like Fox seem to forget Dan Rather as the head of CBS news, George Stephanopulous at ABC, or that entire joke of a network MSNBC

    21. Re:Fact checking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > How do you know its just 'ONE'?

      Because actual lawyers told us CNN was full of crap? Cuomo can't even do simple math right on air, so I don't exactly trust his legal skills, even if he does have a license.

      Yes, we've looked into these, including looking for responses. But those are a bit hard to find. It's more in vogue to shout "racist, sexist, misogynist" regardless of any facts instead of presenting any kind of actual argument about why someone is wrong these days.

    22. Re:Fact checking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One guy on CNN said something stupid 6 months before the Steele dossier was even made public. Well, there you go, that proves the dossier is worthless. Because... logic?

      Weak tea, dude.

    23. Re: Fact checking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even Fox News says that CNN isn't fake news.

    24. Re:Fact checking? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      You know, all this 'Russian' bullshit is just new birther shtick, from the democrats this time. If you want an honest election, go back to paper ballots if you are interested in putting an end to all the stupid arguments.

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    25. Re:Fact checking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just wait until whole Africa gets its 'free' Fakebook. That'll mean that you can access fakebook, and fakebook only!
      Then, when everybody has his/her/its smartphone with 'free' internet access, they can as well get rid of all cash payments, because through phone is soo much easier and safer.
      Then, we can as well levy a tax on every financial transaction through smartphone, which plainly means: every financial transaction.
      Then, besides the transaction costs, every receiver of funds has to pay 'income tax' and there you have it.
      And over your savings, which can only be held digitally by then, they will also charge an interest. Because 'you are not using it' or whatever non-reason they will come up with.
      Hold your breath, because it's coming soon. Because you don't give a fuck...

    26. Re:Fact checking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CNN = Cable News Network
      WTF is Cable?

      It's fake.

    27. Re:Fact checking? by denzacar · · Score: 1

      Keep telling yourself that while you stare at the mirror telling yourself that you've got the biggest dick and a body of an athlete.

      It's all about repeating it until you yourself fall for it. After that evidence to the contrary won't matter.
      You'll be able to "Hail Trump!" all the way to the land of delusion. Or dementia. Which ever kicks in first.

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    28. Re:Fact checking? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      You know, all this 'Russian' bullshit is just new birther shtick,

      I thought so too, at first. Now, the list of names in the Trump administration with direct ties to Russian Mafiya and oligarchs is just too long to deny. Add in the number of people with ties to Eastern European neo-nazi "nationalist" (Russian front groups) organizations and you've got an administration that is thoroughly and deeply tied to some seriously bad people (see, "gay concentration camps, Chechnya")

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    29. Re:Fact checking? by GWXerog · · Score: 0

      They reported facts. You just don't like the facts.

      Just the facts they want you to hear, of course http://www.washingtontimes.com...

    30. Re:Fact checking? by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      That's the great irony of Russia trying to buy itself a US President. The only way Trump is going to be able to hang on now is becoming even more anti-Russian than his recent predecessors. He has to prove to clearly very skeptical Congress that he's not Putin's man. Putin would probably have been in a better place if Clinton had won. She was very much "status quo", but now they have a man whose real and/or imagined ties to Russia may soon threaten his very presidency, so that whether he stands or falls, the US will inevitably become even more hard line.

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    31. Re:Fact checking? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying Trump isn't under the influence. The same tired old rule applies to them all, follow the money. But the elections? Please. The voters did that to themselves. They run with the lie that makes them feel good.

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    32. Re:Fact checking? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Um, I'm not sure if your post has anything to do with securing the elections or not.

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    33. Re:Fact checking? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      We already new Fox News was garbage. That's not news. There's no point in bringing it up. The fact that CNN and the Guardian have become just as bad is something new. Or perhaps it isn't and we're finally noticing it now.

      CNN helped confirmed new information. Namely, nearly the entire industry is corrupt and little more than party shills for one side or the other. They all ignore stories or information that contradict their chosen narrative. Their stories are at best distortions if not blatant lies.

      The more you know about a story, the more obvious this is.

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    34. Re:Fact checking? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Liberals continue to kid themselves. They think they and their idea are far more popular than they are. CNN helped with this during the election with their polls. They tried to make Trump look unelectable but that was a big lie. It's the big obvious lie that completely destroys their credibility.

      Now of course both parties drink their own kool-aid far too much. Liberals have just taken it to a new level.

      People have hated Hillary since she was first lady. Those people hated Hillary before she got the nomination. They didn't need any Russian meddling to hate her.

      Then many people simple aren't Democrats and they certainly aren't socialists. Much of the electorate is always up for grabs. You can't depend on your name got get into the White House. You have to actually earn it.

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    35. Re:Fact checking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...to other people choosing to uncritically believe their biases. Not you of course.

    36. Re:Fact checking? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      You can't depend on your name got get into the White House. You have to actually earn it.

      Well, that's a nice theory, but it still hasn't escaped the lab. Name recognition is the reason Trump/Clinton got over 95% of the vote.

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    37. Re:Fact checking? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      That's the great irony of Russia trying to buy itself a US President. The only way Trump is going to be able to hang on now is becoming even more anti-Russian than his recent predecessors.

      It's all theater, now. Trump bombs Syria, but calls Putin to warn him (aka, "ask permission") first. Nothing gets damaged, but it changes the conversation. A "mother of all bombs" is dropped on some godforsaken part of Afghanistan, that it just so happens the Russians were trying to destroy a few decades ago.

      "Looking tough" on Russia is dead easy when you're coordinating things with Russia. It's like me paying some big, tough-looking dude to back down so I can look tough in front of my girlfriend. The sanctions will be lifted, There won't be a word said about the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Estonia, Poland, etc.

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    38. Re:Fact checking? by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      No, this is about identifying all abuse of their services. Experience now shows abuse increases when users approach elections, as those seeking money don't care what they do to get page clicks and users are more easily inflamed during elections. This is simply reality as the Internet and physical worlds become more meshed, they interact and firms in either sphere must adapt to prevent abuse.

    39. Re:Fact checking? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Right; Just to make it absolutely clear, this isn't Facebook fact checking out making any kind of judgement on the content of these accounts. They are simply culling the thousands and thousands of sock puppet accounts made by 4chan users.

      I posted about this a while back. 4chan's /pol is being used to organise a fake news campaign. Kits for creating fake accounts are provided, with instructions on creating a shell profile with stolen photos and networked to other fake accounts.

      These accounts are then used to post memes and fake news. The shear number of fake accounts and likes causes them to trend and real useful idiots join in. They are calling it the "liberation of France"... Which is odd because they support a far right candidate who takes money from Russia.

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    40. Re:Fact checking? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      The alt-right is certainly better organised with its criticism of media outlets it doesn't like. At this point we just kind of assume everyone knows how crazy Fox is, has seen the movie, read the wiki article... But the alt-right does it better, they have a long list of talking points and incidents to rehash every time CNN comes up. And CNN has come to represent the whole "MSM" to them, the default straw man used to discredit dozens of reputable organisations.

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    41. Re:Fact checking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey look, it's our favorite busybody Brit weighing in on US politics again! Surprise, surprise...

    42. Re:Fact checking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At this point we just kind of assume everyone knows how crazy Fox is,

      My what a lovely thing that kind of cult level groupthink must be. Accepting that without facts, just everybody knows it.

    43. Re:Fact checking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your garbage post was modded to +5. Methinks that either Slashdot is modded by 60+ year old ignorant conservative retards, or is filled with enough Russian shills that nobody gives a shit.

      >Sounds more like shaping the message they want you to hear.

      I guess you don't approve of marketing, public education and government propaganda in all forms, amirite? Go back to Fox. At least you'll enjoy the circlejerk there.

      >We all know how well "fact checking" and poll massaging CNN and Politifact were doing prior to the elections in an attempt to shape the election and it backfired.

      Liberals stayed home. That's why Trump won. He got the same number of votes as Romney and John McCain. If anything, CNN and Politifact gave liberals a false sense of superiority, and the black people and minorities just didn't give a flying fuck in the northern states.

      Your side didn't have any more supporters - it just had fewer opponents.

      > repressing it usually has the opposite effect,

      Bullshit. Old people vote, but they don't go door to door.

      Nobody under the age of 40 picks up an election cold call, and Facebook is the only thing between many old racists and shooting themselves to put themselves out of their lonely misery.

      > it only confirms the persecution complex of those fringe groups.

      I honestly sometimes wish that old people that have been given literal life, and yet are so miserable about how the world is changing, would be cut off from the government teat that they now hate (except when it pays for their medication, pension, social security and health benefits) and just be left to wallow and die in the third world country that they want.

      You want to be able to keep all of your money in a mattress, have your guns, and kill anyone that looks at you funny? Sure, but no highways, no safe food, lead goes everywhere (lead back in gasoline, yo), and those damn gangs run free because you won't pay for a police force, and your local 'militia' will get gunned down by armored cars paid for with drug money.

    44. Re:Fact checking? by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Going to point out something to you, just so you understand. It's not the alt-right. It's liberals, conservatives, republicans, and democrats that are on the verge of abandoning the party that don't like NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, WAPO, NYT and so on. It's the far left that has a problem with Fox, but those people don't. You know why? Because almost ~20 years ago Fox News gave those center and right-leaning people news that wasn't left slanted. They didn't try to hide their ideological bias on it either, they wore it on their sleeves. That's why those people don't have a problem with them, but have a problem with the others.

      It's why at last count 30m people have left the democrat party and gone independent, green, republican or libertarian. It's because when those conservative and republican voices said ~15 years ago that the media on the left was lying and biased, they all chortled. And in the last 2 years, with the amount of bias that those same people chortled over, they saw with their own eyes, or experienced something different then what the media was presenting. That people have fundamentally turned on the media. It's also why that distrust of the media is still growing.

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  4. Double edged sword by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How long until some comes up with an idea to combat true information under the same pretense?
    Welcome to the world of censorship where someone is "fact-checking" your posts.

    1. Re:Double edged sword by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How long? It's probably what they are doing RIGHT NOW.

    2. Re:Double edged sword by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like when the AP tried to fact-check Trump and ended up claiming that Assad and ISIS were allied?
      Or when Politifact gave a "True" rating to Rice and Kerry's claim that they'd removed all chemical weapons from Syria?

      All the fact checking sites have become pawns of political groups, even snopes. When they start prevaricating about 'context' or 'wider meaning', you know they're about to lie to you.

    3. Re: Double edged sword by bn-7bc · · Score: 1

      Well if I made a factual error and somone corrected it for me, I don't see the problem, unless the facts the used for the correcrion was in fact " alternstive facts"

  5. And who defines fake? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Considering failbook's history, it's an educated guess that most if not all of those accounts were in fact just right wing, and not fake at all. Keep on spinning that narrative guys, you can get the Trump surprise all over again when Le Pen wins despite your censorship and propaganda.

  6. "France" accounts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you also talk about Canada accounts or United States of America accounts?

    FRENCH accounts.

    1. Re: "France" accounts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, they're Freedom Fries. I mean accounts.

  7. People have been lying on the internet for 30 yrs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and it was never a crisis until a populist got elected POTUS and "online bullshit" found itself high on the list of the failed establishment candidate's excuses for losing.

    Now the elites who suddenly fear that the commoner plebs might no longer vote how they want them to are trying to ministry-of-truth the internet because either A) they actually believe a few russian bots spreading "Fake News" on facebook that not even people with the appropriate biases believed influenced a measurable amount of voters, or B) "Fake News" is a conveniently broad and vague term that can just as easily be thrown at real news/opinion sites with the wrong biases as at news sites documenting the impending alien takeover of Dallas. At least once your friendly unbiased "fact" checkers at Snopes or WaPo give you cover.

  8. Re:People have been lying on the internet for 30 y by coastwalker · · Score: 0

    I hate to break it to you but the elites of which you speak own alternative media. Billionaires and their fellow travelers cannot buy the output of CNN but they can buy as many shill accounts and alt-right blogs as they like. It is pretty good money too I can tell you losers. Facebook is run by a vaguely leftist idealistic collage graduate and the sooner we kill off his network the sooner we can get that police state that keeps the scummy poor where they belong.

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  9. So, FB will close the accounts of all candidates ? by AncalagonTotof · · Score: 2

    Best way to stop fake news & info, isn't it ?

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  10. Re:People have been lying on the internet for 30 y by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >Billionaires and their fellow travelers cannot buy the output of CNN

    So who do you think owns CNN? Do you think it's a government program? A charity?

  11. Like This? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surely "Anti-Establishment" and former Rothschild banker are so mutually exclusive that Reuters should be labelled "Fake News"?

    1. Re:Like This? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's just politics, sign of the times: Shout anti-establishment and get elected. Then flip. Profit.
      He was a Rothschild banker, then 'became' social, and now, to show how 'social' he is, he breaks down the whole framework of social services.
      We call that crypto-establishment.
      Jesus Christ! Just look at it:

      "France is blocked by the self-serving tendencies of its elite," he told supporters [...]
      "And I'll tell you a little secret: I know it, I was part of it."
      After Rothschild, he joined Hollande's staff in the Elysee in 2012 and it was not long before he became economy minister.
      There he criticised sacred cows of the "social model" such as the 35-hour working week, iron-clad job protection and jobs-for-life in the civil service.
      These are messages that have made him one of France's most popular politicians.

      I mean, how stupid can those French socialist voters be by voting for someone like him!
      He not only was part of 'the elite', he still is!

  12. Well isn't that just nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How would we know that those are the only things that went?

  13. Re: People have been lying on the internet for 30 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Zuck did not graduate college

  14. FRANCE ELECTION RESULTS ARE IN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PUTIN WINS!

  15. Fake = Conservative by sproketboy · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Apparently.

    1. Re:Fake = Conservative by Peaceful_Patriot · · Score: 1

      Wrong. in the US, fake news manufacturers explicitly targeted right wingers. They found that Democrats immediately fact checked and shot down the stories, where Republicans ate them up, signed up for newsletters and shared them endlessly.

      There is no equivalence between the right and left. One side chooses willful ignorance and has gone completely bat shit crazy and the other party still embrace fact and science while fighting for the same basic principles as they were a generation ago.

      *Join a march for science near you on April 22!

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    2. Re:Fake = Conservative by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Democrats fact checking? You must be joking. They can't even tell when something is obvious OBVIOUS satire. They just run with it because it panders to their biases.

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    3. Re:Fake = Conservative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Democrats screamed for months that Trump is literally Hitler. Many now say we live in a fascist state. People that are part of the democratic party have a firm grasp on reality.

  16. Re:People have been lying on the internet for 30 y by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uhh Clinton does.. It's the Clinton News Network. You're slow.

  17. Re:People have been lying on the internet for 30 y by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    snkx the troll

  18. Removing 30,000 accounts that lack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    pro-American sentiments in their communications, or are voting for the anti-American candidate. It's convenient to control information like Facebook do.

  19. Re:No such blackout by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, you believe anything. A real CNN watcher.

  20. Humm?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is Just Distraction from Hillary's E-mails Yes?

    I am real Americanskaya

  21. Re: Im-poss-ee-blay! by Type44Q · · Score: 1

    take a stand against information crime.

    Surely you meant to post as AC?

  22. Fake = Monied by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Follow the money.

    Typically a rich backer wants some story put out. e.g. "Acorn helps black pimps evade the law". They fund a straw man front, someone like James O'Keefe. He then makes fake videos, puts them out as "project veritas" truths. "Acorn helps pimps evade laws, here watch this video".

    He then gets sued, Acorn get the full UNEDITED video, in which he pretends to be representing a congressman, not a pimp, and it's clear he's edited it to deceive people, cutting in stuff filmed after the fact to change the narrative. Acorn sues him for libel, and he acknoweldges it was a lie, and settles the case for $100k.

    If the rich backer did this directly then Acorn could sue him for *billions* in damages. O Keefe is simply there to minimize the damages from the lie. He's just a straw man fronting the lies.

    It's all about money. If you want to see whose behind some fake news, just follow the money. The motive for these professional liars is money. They do it for cash, its business.

  23. Only 30K Fakes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The entire FB is a FAKE.

    For Zuck to come clean would require all of FB to shut down and Zuck give back his billions.

    That is Not going to happen.

    Jajajajajajaja

  24. Re:i.e. Trump by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 2, Informative

    When you want to prove a point with a bomb strike, not a body count, you give warning that you are doing it. This lets the 'enemy' move their troops out, and prevents the news coverage from focusing on all those "poor innocent soldiers" lying dead in the target zone.

    The fact that you can't even conceive there is a reason to warn the enemy this way shows how much you understand of the real world.

    Now go back to class so you can get more idiotic arguments shoved into your brain.

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  25. "Fake" accounts by Quakeulf · · Score: 1

    This is all done to control the election.

  26. Re:i.e. Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Video evidence showing the proof and you call it "fake news" with no other explanation. Yet when it's some unverifiable establishment propaganda, you're all-in on believing it and throw around traitor accusations at the President.

    You need to do some soul-searching. You're very lost.

  27. Citizen Kane strikes again by anarkhos · · Score: 1

    I dumped Zuckerbook years ago. This madman is out of control

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    1. Re:Citizen Kane strikes again by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      I can't disagree with you. From Day 1 Zuckerberg has been one of those people who pushes my "This Guy Is A Pervert/Creep" Button.

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    2. Re:Citizen Kane strikes again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One way you can tell is that he puts tape over the camera on his work laptop. I only put tape over the camera on the laptop I use for masturbate. Dude, is definitely a perv.

  28. Too little, too late by hyades1 · · Score: 0

    After that a-hole on Facebook's board almost single-handedly turned the site into a Trump-friendly fake news factory during the US election...NOW they suddenly care about this?

    More likely they're just afraid the EU will fine them into the poorhouse if they try the same kind of nonsense in civilized countries.

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  29. Re:Im-poss-ee-blay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, yesterday posting a link to a homeopathic cream was 'fake news', now it is 'information crime', tomorrow it will be... 'quackery terrorism'?

    (By the way, I just notice that also slashdot seems to be involved in these nefarious practices, as their spell checker marks the word 'homeopathic' as erroneous. But then, it does the same with the word 'slashdot'! :)

    But I digress.

    I still haven't found the truth that 'the Russkis' hacked any election, that Assad's air force dropped a chemical bomb last week, that Ghaddafi mass-murdered his own people, that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and/or 'links' with Al Qaeda, that Iran wants to destroy Israel or that North Korea's primary intent is to destroy somehow the whole US of A.

    Now, what was it you said was the fake news?...

    But ok, great idea, let Facebook and Snopes decide who gets in power and who is 'the wrong person' to get in. What happened to democracy?

    Totally sick, if you ask me.

  30. Re: No such blackout by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try searching using this
    [Hillary Clinton site:cnn.com daterange:2457388.5-2457754.5]
    About 193,000 hits

    [Bernie Sanders site:cnn.com daterange:2457388.5-2457754.5]
    About 40,000 hits

  31. Marine Le Pen is their target by newdsfornerds · · Score: 1, Troll

    They want to prevent her from gaining office. Fuck Islam.

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  32. Are you dyslexic? Is that your problem? by denzacar · · Score: 1

    Or do you somehow believe that CNN and CIA are the same thing?

    If that's the case, I have some super-secret NASA designed from alien technology aluminum foil to stop those government rays they are beaming into your head.
    We can negotiate the price later. It's your health that's the priority here.

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  33. Usually... It's just how the world is. by denzacar · · Score: 1

    Stick to same old ideas (i.e. stay conservative) and with every second you are more and more wrong until you're standing in the middle of the street shouting anti-gay slogans wearing nothing but a Reagan-Thatcher "love" shirt.

    But it's actually Right wing == fake news and disinformation.

    http://www.cjr.org/analysis/br...

    Our own study of over 1.25 million stories published online between April 1, 2015 and Election Day shows that a right-wing media network anchored around Breitbart developed as a distinct and insulated media system, using social media as a backbone to transmit a hyper-partisan perspective to the world.
    This pro-Trump media sphere appears to have not only successfully set the agenda for the conservative media sphere, but also strongly influenced the broader media agenda, in particular coverage of Hillary Clinton.
    While concerns about political and media polarization online are longstanding, our study suggests that polarization was asymmetric.
    Pro-Clinton audiences were highly attentive to traditional media outlets, which continued to be the most prominent outlets across the public sphere, alongside more left-oriented online sites.
    But pro-Trump audiences paid the majority of their attention to polarized outlets that have developed recently, many of them only since the 2008 election season.

    Attacks on the integrity and professionalism of opposing media were also a central theme of right-wing media.
    Rather than "fake news" in the sense of wholly fabricated falsities, many of the most-shared stories can more accurately be understood as disinformation: the purposeful construction of true or partly true bits of information into a message that is, at its core, misleading.
    Over the course of the election, this turned the right-wing media system into an internally coherent, relatively insulated knowledge community, reinforcing the shared worldview of readers and shielding them from journalism that challenged it.
    The prevalence of such material has created an environment in which the President can tell supporters about events in Sweden that never happened, or a presidential advisor can reference a non-existent "Bowling Green massacre."

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  34. Thanks, Facefuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good timing, assholes. When the world burns, it'll be your fault, at least in part. We could have had a COMPETENT president, we could even, (whisper of a dream,) have had a president who was competent, and NOT corrupt! But NOOOoooo...

  35. Better Late Than Never by Peaceful_Patriot · · Score: 1

    I wish FB would have taken this stand before the US elections. But they didn't want to be accused of discriminating against the Republicans for filtering fake news stories, the vast majority aimed at right wing voters. It got so bad I quit FB a year ago and haven't been back since.

    It amazes me that a party who never met a conspiracy about Obama or Hillary they didn't believe, can be so un-curious about the very real foreign interference and domestic treason during the election and probably still ongoing at the highest levels.

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  36. Re:i.e. Trump by MightyMartian · · Score: 0

    I think Trump is an incompetent halfwit, and even I think warning the Russians was essential. Just about every Syrian-controlled airbase and military facility has Russian forces present. If the US had simply launched an unannounced attack, there would have been Russian fatalities and while one may dicker as to whether the Russians would consider that an act of war, at the very least it would greatly escalated matters and it's those sorts of "inadvertent" attacks on Russian forces that could lead to direct conflict between US and Russian troops. It's why the US hasn't directly intervened over the Ukraine civil war as well. If you have US and Russian forces in the same area uncoordinated, even where they may not be in technically in mutually hostile positions, it could go to shit very very fast.

    If the accounts were true, Trump was given multiple options, but it was recommended to send in a symbolic strike, rather than an out-and-out "blow 'em up real good" attack. If you feel, as I do, that the intelligence Trump was given that the gas attack was airborne and thus could only come from Syrian forces, then I think this is exactly what you do. You call up your Russian contacts, tell them "What Assad requires a response, but we're giving you time to get any of your soldiers out of the line of fire" before just blasting away. Yes, it's possible that Assad could have got some materials out of there, though I wonder if there was enough time to actually much in the way of actual chemical weapons, but that wasn't the important part anyways.

    What I think people are missing here is that while Russia and the US have spent much of the last 70 years as enemies and competitors, particularly since the Cuban Missile Crisis, there has long been backchannel communications, to make sure that whatever actions Washington or Moscow are taking don't suddenly plunge the two countries into even a technical state of war.

    What Trump supporters should be really pissed about is the fact that, despite all the declarations of America First and how he was going to keep US forces out of foreign wars, Trump seems to be evolving quickly into a rather typical US president. His style is quirky, but the Tomahawk attack demonstrated an Administration that in some ways more resembles Bill Clinton's foreign policy than anyone else.

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  37. Re: Im-poss-ee-blay! by jedidiah · · Score: 1

    Forget "globalist". He's just an unhinged idiot that would rather believe in an insane conspiracy theory than believe his party's anointed one is anything but perfect.

    He's just engaging in classic blame deflection.

    Some disturbing cult of personality nonsense too...

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  38. Re:i.e. Trump by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 0

    Every argument you make is spot on. Thank you for the reply.

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  39. I wonder how many of these accounts were left wing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder how many of these accounts were left wing?
    I'm willing to bet zero.

  40. Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook sucks. Like Trump voters.

  41. Too Little, Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook and similar sites are rife with fake news. Either they should all be shut down as the lying, interfering foreign spy cesspools that they are or each and every post should be human moderated and fact checked before going public, with anything that slips through costing large fines and firings.

  42. Censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Love when the government gets to tell me what is fake, what is propaganda, and what is real.