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Supercomputers Help Researchers Find Two New Kinds Of Magnets (phys.org)

"Predicting magnets is a heck of a job, and their discovery is very rare," said a mechanical engineering professor at Duke University. But after years of work synthesizing various predictions, material scientists "predicted and built two new magnetic materials, atom-by-atom, using high-throughput computational models." An anonymous reader quotes Phys.org: The success marks a new era for the large-scale design of new magnetic materials at unprecedented speed. Although magnets abound in everyday life, they are actually rarities -- only about 5% of known inorganic compounds show even a hint of magnetism. And of those, just a few dozen are useful in real-world applications because of variability in properties such as effective temperature range and magnetic permanence...

In a new study, materials scientists from Duke University provide a shortcut in this process. They show the capability to predict magnetism in new materials through computer models that can screen hundreds of thousands of candidates in short order. And, to prove it works, they've created two magnetic materials that have never been seen before.

"The first alloy is particularly interesting," reports the International Business Times, "because it contains no rare-earth materials, which are both expensive and difficult to acquire." But a Duke mechanical engineering professor points out that "It doesn't really matter if either of these new magnets proves useful in the future. The ability to rapidly predict their existence is a major coup and will be invaluable to materials scientists moving forward."

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  1. Which supercomputer? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    TFA seems to leave out a lot of important geeky details. Like which supercomputer was used? How many hours of CPU (or maybe GPU?) time was used? Since they were running hundreds of models in parallel, why did they need a supercomputer at all? Wouldn't it have been more cost effective to rent compute servers in the cloud?

    1. Re:Which supercomputer? by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Alnico magnets are awesome as pole pieces in pickups for electric guitars and basses. This year I started winding my own bass pickups, after testing many commercial pickups to get a sense of how the physical parameters affect tone. I can tell you that the kind of magnet you use makes an obvious difference to the sound of the instrument. It's not just about the net strength and geometry of the fields. Alnico magnets - but not ceramic, nor Nd - get eddy currents induced inside them from the vibrating strings, and this affects how they sound. I wonder whether Co2MnTi would also have these. I get the impression it's not a proper homogeneous alloy, so maybe not. Still, more info and a comparison field strengths would be useful. To a musician, a new type of magnet might be something like a newly discovered species of aromatic fruit: You immediately wonder what new aesthetic experiences it would allow for.

  2. Rare-Earths aren't rare! by darthsilun · · Score: 2

    ... rare-earth materials, which are both expensive and difficult to acquire."

    or

    http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26687605 (amongst others) that claim Rare-Earths are not rare and by extension not necessarily expensive or even very difficult to acquire.

    Which is it then? Who should we believe?

    1. Re:Rare-Earths aren't rare! by swb · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not rare but they produce a ton of toxic waste being processed. It all went to China because they could do it cheaper and eat the toxic waste, too.

      When China were embargoing exports (or talking about it) there was talk of granting exceptions to a closed mine in California to re-open as a strategic hedge.

    2. Re:Rare-Earths aren't rare! by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      They are not rare.
      And so cheap right now that plenty of mines in the americas are closed.

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    3. Re: Rare-Earths aren't rare! by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      My understanding was that they were cheap and plentiful from China, but lately they've been hoarding for themselves.

      The US has a significant of places where rare earths could be mined. The only problem is inertia from the long permitting process required to get a new mine going.

    4. Re:Rare-Earths aren't rare! by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      And so cheap right now that plenty of mines in the americas are closed.

      They are only cheap when you shit up the planet with no remorse, which is why they are coming out of China. But anyone buying them is funding the shitting up of the planet.

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  3. Talking about rare by DesertNomad · · Score: 2

    One of the magnetic (actually anti-ferromagnetic) compounds discovered was Mn2PtPd. Pt and Pd are two orders of magnitude more rare than the "relatively common" rare earths...

    1. Re:Talking about rare by Rei · · Score: 2

      Yes, that would be the reason why they said that only one of the two magnets is particularly "interesting".

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    2. Re:Talking about rare by Overzeetop · · Score: 2

      Yeah, most "rare earth" metals are far from rare, and often not that expensive, as there are deposits all over the world. One of the difficulties is that China had a huge supply and was dumping them on the market to gain global share and drive other mines to close down (reducing competitors and allowing them to raise the price). That is, of course, until they became a manufacturing powerhouse and realized they should be keeping those elements in-country to bolster their total manufacturing chain. Then, of course, the prices really *did* go up due to lower (global) supply. But it had little or nothing to do with the rarity of the metals themselves.

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  4. Re:Question for the Physicists. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    No, this is an elemental misunderstanding. Magnetism is inherent in the makeup of atoms, and thus of magnetic materials. Electrons have a negative charge and protons have a positive charge. As per Maxwell and the theory of Electromagnetism, electricity and magnetism are permanently and inextricably intertwined.

    OK, so the "force" a magnet exerts is always sourced from outside the magnet itself. Therefore looking for an energy source inside the magnet is hopeless and useless; there is no internal energy source powering a magnet.

    Imagine a magnet being attracted to a piece of metal. As they move together and within the effective range of the magnetic field, it looks like the magnet "pulls" the metal towards it, right? Wrong.

    The only force involved was propelling the magnet and the metal towards each other, and that was an external force applied. But Wait you say! Once within the range of the magnetic field, the magnet still pulled the metal in, right? Still wrong. Those two objects began falling inwards towards their lowest common energy state. And that energy state is a property of, wait for it, the magnet and the piece of metal. It's an inherent materials property.

    Think of it like this. The Earth has gravity, and gravity draws other objects in too, right? So what energy source drives gravity? And the answer is *nothing*. Gravity is an inherent property of mass. What draws objects with mass together is, those objects are falling towards their lowest common energy state.

    Einstein actually said that gravity isn't a force, it's a warping of SpaceTime. Thus it is conceptually correct to think of gravitational attraction like falling to the bottom of a dent or hole in spacetime. This is tricky for us to imagine though, because in this view there is no "gravity" and there is no "force" pulling those objects down. What pulls them down is a universal desire for all matter to occupy the lowest possible energy state.

  5. Re:Question for the Physicists. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

    Exerting force requires energy, no?

    No. A force does not require energy. Only moving against a force requires energy. E=F*D. A newton is force, but a newton-meter is energy. So the magnet on your refrigerator does not use energy, but energy is required to pull it off.

    How is it obtained, stored, replenished?

    Here is a really cool fact that you can use to impress chicks at cocktail parties: A magnetic force and an electrical force are the SAME THING. The only difference is your inertial frame of reference. Let's say you have two parallel copper wires with current flowing through them. The negative charge in the electrons and the positive charge in the copper nuclei should cancel each other out, and there should be no force between them. BUT THERE IS. This is magnetism. But it is really just plain only electrical attraction because the electrons are moving, so their inertial reference frame is different from the reference frame of the copper nuclei. A moving reference frame has a Lorentz contraction, so the copper nuclei "see" more electrons per length of wire, resulting in an attraction.

  6. Re:Question for the Physicists. by poodlediagram · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A permanent magnet is polarized by something called the exchange field. This is related to the Pauli exclusion principle and the Coulomb interaction and happens spontaneously. Energy is stored in the electronic state as kinetic, external and interaction (this includes the magnetic dipole field energy)

    These two new magnets are unlikely to replace the current champion (neodymium-iron-boron), or be particularly useful as permanent magnets at all. The reason is that the researchers only calculated the moment and Curie temperature. A good permanent magnet should also have a high magnetic anisotropy energy (MAE) as well. The Heusler alloys are predominantly cubic and so have a very low MAE.

    How do I know this? We just spent three years doing exactly the same thing: spending thousands of CPU hours trying to find a good magnet among the Heuslers. All to no avail.

  7. Re:Question for the Physicists. by rgbatduke · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here is a really cool fact that you can use to impress chicks at cocktail parties: A magnetic force and an electrical force are the SAME THING. The only difference is your inertial frame of reference. Let's say you have two parallel copper wires with current flowing through them. The negative charge in the electrons and the positive charge in the copper nuclei should cancel each other out, and there should be no force between them. BUT THERE IS. This is magnetism. But it is really just plain only electrical attraction because the electrons are moving, so their inertial reference frame is different from the reference frame of the copper nuclei. A moving reference frame has a Lorentz contraction, so the copper nuclei "see" more electrons per length of wire, resulting in an attraction.

    No. Magnetic and electrical force and energy aren't exactly "the same thing". The magnetic and electric field are both components of the second rank field strength tensor, the Lorentz force in electromagnetic theory is not just the Lorentz transform of the Coulomb force, and magnetic and electric field energies are independently summed when assembling the total electromagnetic field energy density. Finally, good luck describing electron spin and the resultant intrinsic magnetic dipole moment in terms of a Lorentz transformation of the bare Coulomb field of the (point) charge -- there is no rotating frame or mass moving around mass.

    There are basically two different ways to discuss them. One way is to stop talking about electric and magnetic fields independently at all and only work with the electromagnetic field (strength tensor) where the electric and magnetic components are NOT THE SAME and do NOT HAVE THE SAME SYMMETRY. The other way is to pretend (as most intro books do, because usually it works pretty well if you're considering low velocities and coarse-grain-averaged "smooth" charge/current densities) that E and B are ordinary vectors and write down Maxwell's equations. There are FOUR of them -- two if you go with the covariant field strength tensor formulation, and you cannot write them all down in terms of a single vector field (or the resultant force).

    F_e = qE (F, E vectors)
    F_b = q v x B (F, v, B vectors)

    The electrostatic force obeys Newton's third law. The magnetic force (with the cross product) does not,. and one has to work very hard indeed to find the missing energy and momentum in the electromagnetic field when two charged particles interact in the general case.

    Sadly, I haven't found that knowing graduate level electrodynamics well enough to teach it impresses chicks at cocktail parties.

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  8. Re: Question for the Physicists. by Immerman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was referring, badly, to motors using permanent magnets in the stator or armature, as opposed to those based entirely on electromagnets.

    Actually though, you can make temporarily "perpetual motion" magnetic motors that draw power entirely from draining the energy stored in the magnets - for example, picture the situation where magnets on the rim of a wheel are attracted to a stationary magnet nearby. Then, roughly at the point of closest approach, the rim magnets pass behind some form of shielding so that there is no symmetrical force required for them to be moved away again. Unlike gravity (so far as we know) magnetic fields can be blocked, and so the rim magnets will perpetually "fall" towards the stationary one until the magnetic field is drained. You can do something similar with electrostatics as well, and many people have convinced themselves they've managed to create a perpetual motion machine that way.

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