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Microsoft's Rumored CloudBook Could Be Your Next Cheap Computer (venturebeat.com)
An anonymous reader shares a report: In a few weeks, at its education-oriented software and hardware event in New York, Microsoft could unveil a sub-premium laptop -- something more robust than a Surface but not as fancy as a Surface Book. And rather than run good old Windows 10, the new product could run something called Windows 10 Cloud, which reportedly will only be able to run apps that you can find in the Windows Store, unless you change a certain preference in Settings. The idea is that this will keep your device more secure. However, that does mean you won't be able to use certain apps that aren't in the Store -- like Steam -- on a Windows 10 Cloud device, such as the rumored CloudBook. Microsoft is going after Google's Chromebooks that are very popular in the education space -- so much so that they are playing an instrumental role in keeping the entire PC shipments up.
You couldn't pay me to use a spybook like this or Chromebooks.
It's CLOUD-anything and a paraaaaadde!
"Could Be Your Next Cheap Computer"
"Cheap" would need to be defined as microsoft paying me to use it. Otherwise no.
>> reportedly will only be able to run apps that you can find in the Windows Store
So...a brick by design? The only reason to still run Windows is to run stuff that ISN'T in an app store.
This is taking the chromebook to the next level.
For this to work MS has to assume that you are connected 24/7 everywhere you go every day.
It had better have 3G/4G connectivity and not rely on WiFi only.
Personally, this is not for me and is not the way forward for anyone I know.
Bought an Acer Cloudbook (to be honest, to install Xubuntu)). It was a dog with Windows 10, not enough memory to update. Nice with Linux, $137 brand new. Unless MSoft gets W10 completely out of the way, Chromebooks are safe.
I don't think that the cloud edition is the trimmed down version they say in the article, i think is a version that runs most of the applications in the cloud using something like RemoteApp.
We will know for sure in a couple of weeks.
I'm sure all the Windows phone users will buy one.
Both of them.
it's singing in the rain
My library loans free Acer Chromebooks for use in the library. (you can sit comfortably at a chair rather than elbowed ng a street person at the PC table) They are SLOW. I dont know whether the slow speed is due to the crappy Atom CPUs, slow library wireless, or slow Chrome apps. In comparison the tabletop PC Chrome browser runs much faster.
See how there are alot of education apps that will not work under the windows store rules I don't see it working to good. also what about the European Union rules about MS.
MS trying to lock users to there IE edge and lock out steam will not fly very far there.
If Microsoft's cloudbook is anything like Google's Chromebook. That you are married to Microsoft's ecosystem as much as you are to Google's in a Chromebook. I would have to pass.
and I don't get the joke =?
I see no other way I would ever consider touching it.
... but it won't be.
We aren't all rich contractors living off the taxpayers dime though.
If you consider making $50K+ per year as being "rich" in Silicon Valley.
I keep a no-buy list.
There are the likes of Sony (for repeatedly pissing on their customers, among other things), Nestlé (for aggressively marketing baby food to those who can't afford it, for stealing water from people to later re-sell it to them, yadda, yadda).
Firmly in this list is Microsoft, for how it treats its partners, for how it repeatedly perverts open standards to their advantage, and for generally treating the whole world as their backyard.
I'll pass.
After all, it is a product by Microsoft - which, by the way, can considered itself middle-fingered, again.
As long as I have a legal right to use something else, that's what I'm going to do
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Laptop usually means: small screen, crappy keyboard, awful trackpad, poor durability, and little expandability, but more expensive than an equivalent desktop machine.
Circumcision is child abuse.
You should try video game testing. You would be good at it and make a lot of money.
...I always set myself up for major disappointment every time I buy a "cheap" computer.
Cheap is CHEAP for a reason, and it's usually because the manufacturer cut costs on things they THINK we don't want or need, but they are more often wrong than right. If I want cheap, I buy those Chinese clones of "insert any phone or tablet here", but when I want quality, I want a solid chassis, lightweight quality material, long life and high performance.
During the Windows RT era, developers of Windows desktop applications wanted to recompile their applications for ARM. Microsoft wouldn't let them, instead requiring them to port the applications to Windows Runtime and distribute them exclusively through Windows Store. Only Microsoft's own applications (File Explorer, Internet Explorer, and Office) could run on the ARM desktop.
But can it run Linux?
Isn't that what we all want to know?
I have ZERO interest in buying or approving any hardware that only runs 1 OS.
Almost any intel chromebook can be wiped and linux can be installed, so the little things, like NFS work.
Google, oh, google, why did you force me to wipe chromeOS? I'd like to have an OS to show the TSA, while having my full, encrypted, Linux inside the same machine, just on different storage.
And you might need to be always connected to OneDrive or a new platform, Microsoft Drive, at some monthly fee. The apps could also be had for a monthly subscription fee, a la Office 365. One post suggested these devices should have cellular data capability which at $10 per GigaByte, along with the cloud drive fee and the app fee, might end up costing its owner far more than the initial cost of the device in a few months. This could be like the famous razor blade business plan.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell
So you essentially turned your $250 Dell laptop into the $500 Dell laptop you could've bought in the first place.
Microsoft doesn't want OEM's building cheap full Windows machines - i.e., the kind where the Windows license accounts for 30% of the price of the machine. They will go as far as making Windows Cloud free for OEMs in order to keep from being pressured to make full Windows 10 free for 'real' laptops.
Posted from my Android phone. Oh, I can change this? There, that's better...
You should try video game testing. You would be good at it and make a lot of money.
I was a video game tester for six years (1997-2004). My beginning pay rate was $10 per hour and ending pay rate was $16 per hour. After I went back to school to learn computer programming on a $3,000 tax credit that George W. signed into law after 9/11, I got a help desk support job that paid $20 per hour. Do the math.
The worst features of tablets plus the worst of PC's: Microsoft at its "best".
Table-ized A.I.
I'll bet you were so good at your job you got fired from it too.
i think is a version that runs most of the applications in the cloud using something like RemoteApp.
Which would be useless for people who are often out of range of a usable Wi-Fi signal.
A device intended for use primarily as a Remote Desktop client might be fine for people who drive and who choose where to eat and shop by the availability of Wi-Fi. But otherwise, good luck using that while riding public transit, or while waiting for your meal in a restaurant that doesn't offer Wi-Fi, or while waiting for your roommate to finish shopping for groceries in a store that doesn't offer Wi-Fi, without paying hundreds of dollars per year for a cellular data plan (or, if you already carry a smartphone with a data plan, for a larger monthly data allowance and a tethering rider).
I had this laptop preloaded with Windows 8 with Bing, which I upgraded to Windows 10. I installed Steam on this, and have easily managed to get Steam games on it, like Civ IV, V & VI
So you essentially turned your $250 Dell laptop into the $500 Dell laptop you could've bought in the first place.
Not quite. I only spent $100 on the new memory and SSD. The $250 Dell laptop had a keyboard without the numeric keypad because I wanted the keyboard centered with the screen. A $500 Dell laptop would have a keyboard with the numeric keypad that I didn't want.
Looking at the initial comments, various posters are hoping that the Cloudbook isn't as restricted as a Chromebook but I think Microsoft has a bigger fundamental issue than that.
And that is to accept to be successful in this space, you aren't going to sell a PC and the software tools that go into it.
In evaluating systems to provide to students, our company evaluated Chromebooks (2GByte DDR, 16GByte EMMc/Flash Drive) and low-cost Windows 10 PCs (4GByte DDR, 32GByte EMMc/Flash Drive) - both were manufactured by Acer and had the same Processor/display/Network IO. I should point out that probably nobody on this site would be customers for this type of platform; they're best suited for students and clerks.
Even though the Chromebooks had half the memory of the PC, they booted in a few seconds and allowed surfing the web, running Chrome Extensions/Apps (including those that provide basic, not complete, Office functionality) as well as accessing network resources (ie printers). Something we didn't realize at the time was that updates are annoying but fairly painless along with this, we didn't realize that updates were more or less automatic and just took a minute or two to work through. There are no ads/demands for virus protection under ChromeOS.
The WIndows 10 PCs took considerably longer to boot, required loading Chrome because our customers (that are schools) require it for the students (who all have gmail or Google Classroom accounts) and, if we wanted to use "true" Office, that needed a license and is painfully slow and unusable if you have two apps active at the same time. If did provide a familiar way of adding devices and networks (not that ChromeOS is that difficult to use, but I wanted to put something positive about the Win10 machines). What would have been a killer for us is updates; for the two evaluation machines we still have, they require 16GByte or better thumb drives to perform updates about twice a year and these updates take between one and two hours with lots of warnings about not losing power, network connections or forcing a reboot - I would expect if there was a larger hard drive, they would be considerably less painful. Then there is the inclusion of the 30 day trial of Norton which you are always being bugged to buy.
So, if Microsoft wants to compete against Google and their Chromebooks, I would recommended:
- Coming up with a small, fast booting version of Win10 that can be updated in less than a minute
- Develop a set of web accessible Office compatible apps
- Consciously avoid the desire/need for paid apps.
I can see Microsoft coming up with an OS that meets the first requirement - the second two so go against the grain that I don't think they'll be able to take that plunge and will create yet another also-ran that will be remembered with the same fondness as the Ford Edsel.
Microsoft has a number of products that work to customer satisfaction (Windows 10 being a good example - again, it's really not for people on this list, but I know a lot of non-technical users that really like it) that makes them a ton of money. Rather than putting good money down a rat hole of trying to compete in a space that they will have to give value away to make sales, they can either look at improving the products they have and make them more compatible with what's out there (cough - Edge - cough).
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Our school moved away from Mac OS and Windows to Chromebooks and Google Apps for staff and students 3 years ago. Two years later Microsoft had a half-assed approach to cloud computing. Their windows-lite laptops required a windows Live account to login to the laptop and then a completely separate Office 365 login to use Office.
There was no way to bring my domain to them, there was no way to deploy policies to secure the devices, and the windows-lite endpoints still needed Anti Virus and imaging tools to create some sort of managed, standardized and secure experience for end users. Finally, Microsoft only gave schools the cloud version of Office 365 - no local copies allowed.
In short - all the drawbacks of running windows with none of the benefits. It was an absolute shit show.
Three years into Chrome OS and Google Apps, the students and staff are pretty pleased with the ease of use of the entire system. I like that it is ridiculously easy to manage and CHEAP.
Finally, families like the Chrome OS/Apps system since many decide to buy a cheap Chromebook for home and have the exact same capabilities for the students at home.
Switching back to Microsoft would have very few if any benefits for us, and I suspect lots of schools are in the same situation.
I'll bet you were so good at your job you got fired from it too.
The only job I ever got fired from was when I worked with my father in construction and got into a fistfight with the owner's grandson. Fast forward 40 years, I'm working in tech and the grandson is a drug addict. Sad.
Thats not what I heard. I heard you got laid off because you were too good at your job.
i think this edition is designed to specific scenarios such as a classroom, for roadwarriors there is always Windows 10 "classic"
Funny you mention the keyboard. It really is a deal breaker. I wonder how much feedback Dell gets on that. Not enough I guess.
There is absolutely no basis for TFA saying that it will work with Windows Store only unless you change the settings. Windows 10 Creators Edition introduced the setting, but that's not what is coming to these devices. Why introduce a separate version of Windows 10 called "Cloud" if you have the intention to give people a choice to not use the cloud?
The settings won't exist in the Cloud edition I will bet a Mars bar on it.
And what forces poor people to buy baby food that they can't afford, regardless of who's marketing it to them?
Nestle has been accused of two things. One is failing to label infant formula in local languages. The other is getting mothers "addicted" to formula by providing it without charge to the maternity ward for just long enough that the mother stops producing milk.
Children completing homework assignments while riding in the back seat of mom's car or a yellow school bus are roadwarriors.
You can't buy a $500 Dell laptop that already has SSD. They make you buy a more expensive computer to even have the option, or offer you a "hybrid drive" with only 32GB of flash. And even when your laptop does come with an SSD, you have no idea what the specs are on it or who made it.
I heard you got laid off because you were too good at your job.
That was a different situation. My boss at eBay in 2009 had a choice of laying off five people or laying me since I did the work of five people. He found it easier to lay off one person than five people. It didn't do him any good. Not long after I left eBay, my manager had to laid off those five people as well as others.
I keep expecting Microsoft to foist upon us something like an entirely cloud-based computer, that requires a broadband connection just to boot up because there's no OS or even any real local storage device on the thing, everything is on their servers. Then they'd have 100% control and you'd literally have zero control, which seems to be the direction they're going. It's like they want to go back to the Mainframe days, where your local device was just a dumb terminal with zero computing power of it's own, and the Mainframe did everything.
I of course would never go for any of that, and I'd hope that most people would likewise draw the line well before that point, too.
LOL I love this guy. Probably the best troll I've seen here.
Yeah, businesses always get rid of the awesome productive people first.
I guess to each his own. One of my make or break deals on any keyboard is that it have the numeric keypad. I much prefer typing numbers out with my right hand in one area.
I wonder how much feedback Dell gets on that. Not enough I guess.
You mean keyboard versus keyboard with keypad? Or Dell keyboards in general? I've used Dell keyboards for 20+ years, so I'm not a keyboard snob.
Yeah, businesses always get rid of the awesome productive people first.
No, bad management. When I was a video game tester, a supervisor got promoted to QA manager and anyone who wasn't willing to swear absolute loyalty to him got forced out. I was the third of a dozen senior testers who left the company. The manager didn't get fired until the company went into bankruptcy.
Okay, I read the whole link. It's such an old issue.
First of all, Nestle was being blamed for selling baby formula in the first place. When I and my ex had our kid 16 years ago - here in the US - my wife stopped breastfeeding him after 3 months (as opposed to WHO's 6), and it was a year or more of Similac after that. All women don't have the bodily capacity to breast feed as long as breastfeeding advocates want, so baby formula does have a role. And it' gotten a lot better since the 80s, which is the period being described in the Wiki article. Probably, the only thing it misses is the antibodies.
The other thing Nestle was being blamed for was the unsanitary condition of water in shitholes like Pakistan. Quite right - it's Nestle's fault that third world countries don't know/care about sanitary water and other such standards. Also, Nestle was being blamed for women in such countries overdiluting the milk to spread it out, making it last longer but in the process, malnourishing the baby, and not being able to afford the electricity to heat the water, or irradiate it, or whatever. By such standards, if somebody reuses cooking oil, thereby resulting in getting saturated fats instead of the original unsaturated fats that the cooking oil had, the maker of the cooking oils should be held responsible.
Essentially, while the GP has the right to boycott what he likes, that list is pretty stupid to include Nestle in it for such spurious reasons. Sony - once Sony started outsourcing their manufacturing to China, I lost any reason to prefer them over no-name brands, but then again, I haven't had a TV for 9 years. The most extreme boycott list I have seen has been from RMS, and if one really lives that way, one would pretty much have to live like the Amish. I'm sorry, but I'll pass on that one.
i'm sorry - did you say "senior" video game tester?
Yes.
is that like "senor" busboy or more like George Forman Sr.?
Neither.
because there is no senior title for a job that by definition is junior.
I was a senior lead video game tester responsible for ten titles when I left the company after six years. A fellow senior lead video game tester built Midway arcade machines in the 1980's. Another senior lead video game tester tested pen-and-paper games in the 1970's.
What a piece of junk! And this thing does NOT go 0.5 past lightspeed....
If anyone has taken a look into the Windows Store, it's crap... absolute garbage... Practically nothing of note is there, and the few apps that may be useful are poorly written with limited features. Who is Microsoft trying to fool here?
Of course, I doubt you'd be able to use another browser other than Edge, so you are really limited with this device (that was a big problem with their phones, too). This reminds me of Sun Corporation's obsession with the "NetPC". It's a computer with NO HARD DRIVE!!! Did you hear me? No hard drive! It costs $100 less, and it runs... JAVA!! Ooooh! All it was was an overpriced XServer, and it failed just as badly as Microsoft's dumb idea here. Microsoft needs to start getting smarter. Ideas like that are what put Sun out of business.
Your information is already very secure. Your marketing data and preferences is stored very securely. Your actual data that generates the marketing preferences though, is stored on whatever refurbished disks we could throw together, and backed up whenever the junior sysadmin feels like it, honestly, we don't care.
This new laptop will store your marketing data and preferences even more securely, as telemetry can't be disabled, and with a SIM, we have a foolproof way of getting data out, and you will even pay for it.
We will decide what apps you can use, when you can use them, and what versions. We control the camera, the microphone, the GPS and all the other devices on our computer that we generously allow you to use, whenever it has spare cycles between collecting data.
Laptop keyboard with keypad that throws everything off center.
Cheap?
I don't think so./p.
Because RT worked so so well AMIRITE? :P
Sometimes, I dunno what Microsoft is thinking. RT is still plenty fresh on people's minds, Windows Store is a complete failure both to attract an userbase and to attract developers (despite being shoved down people's throats since Windows 8.0), most of the complaints about Windows 10 right now have exactly to do with privacy, telemetry and the OS basically working as spyware, I think lots of people still remember how Microsoft tried to forcibly scale back and cut down free OneDrive plans, the ad everywhere scandal is still plenty recent, and yet they come up with a new product line that possibly combines ALL of those in one big shitcake.
It's like someone there just though: Hey guyze, let's pick up all the most notorious and recent complaints about Windows, pack it up in a single product, and see if it sells! Genius product development at work here!
And they are trying to push this in against a device that had none of those issues in the past. I know plenty of people don't like Chromebooks a whole lot, but if anything, it had humble prototype like starts and has been on a steady development frame that works plenty well for schools and whatnot.
As grand high senior platinum dragon edition tester, I say you are a fat, smelly, dumpy, slob and that's why you get fired repeatedly, leaving you with plentiful time to troll slashdot.
First, all my hardware must run Linux and be able to dual-boot. And second, hardware from Microsoft? Over-priced and not so good? No way.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Let me try to follow Stormwatch's logic:
1. Instead of a laptop, you can buy an AIO and a Steam Link or other thin client. Put the AIO in one room, and put the thin client in the living room and use it to remotely access the AIO over your home LAN. By Stormwatch's logic, an AIO and a thin client would last longer than a laptop before breaking. Thus they'd likely be cheaper than two laptops: one to use now and one to use later after the first breaks.
2. An AIO and an external UPS might be cheaper than a laptop.
As grand high senior platinum dragon edition tester, I say you are a fat, smelly, dumpy, slob and that's why you get fired repeatedly, leaving you with plentiful time to troll slashdot.
Most of my jobs keep me busy for one hour out of an eight-hour shift, leaving seven hours available to wait for something to roll downhill from the powers to be. Only Google kept me busy but they were hiring 300+ people per week in 2008.
The other thing Nestle was being blamed for was the unsanitary condition of water in shitholes like Pakistan. Quite right - it's Nestle's fault that third world countries don't know/care about sanitary water and other such standards.
I'll see your sarcasm and split the difference: It was Nestle's fault for over-promoting formula despite a lack of sanitation that Nestle knew about or reasonably should have known about. This goes hand in hand with the lack of labeling in local languages, particularly a warning that clean water is required to prevent harm to the baby.
once Sony started outsourcing their manufacturing to China, I lost any reason to prefer them over no-name brands, but then again, I haven't had a TV for 9 years.
Where would one buy an affordable living-room-sized monitor for composite, analog RGB, and DVI/HDMI sources that isn't "a TV"?
The most extreme boycott list I have seen has been from RMS, and if one really lives that way, one would pretty much have to live like the Amish. I'm sorry, but I'll pass on that one.
The philosophy underlying the tech choices of Amish groups actually has a lot in common with Mr. Stallman's philosophy: being free of dependencies controlled by a third party.
i am almost positive all of you are just that apk guy talking to himself. the same type of autism is showing.
Didn't we go through this already? I had a Surface RT, and while it did everything I wanted at the time, it wasn't anywhere near as useful as a current Chromebook. I love the idea of the Windows Store, but MS needs to get away from it on these things.....it's just way too limiting.
Did you ever wonder *why* this was?
Like it or not, Windows RT was pretty damn secure (I know a couple folks who only use those devices (and nothing else) for online banking), the fact that only MS signed code code run eliminated the risk of entire classes of malware.
At the time, the only way to ensure 3rd party was limited with regards to what it could do was to run within the rather limited sandbox of WinRT, now though, out of a bit of desperation I expect of people not wanting to write full fledged native UWP apps for Windows, they pushed their 'bridges'. The Android one seems to have gone away, iOS -> UWP has worked for a while, and one of these months I'll get around to trying 'Project Centennial' which allows the packaging of regular Win32 apps into a form which can be distributed/updated through their store, but also has some of the same safety benefits of Windows RT.
Help Brendan pay off his student loans
I'll see your sarcasm and split the difference: It was Nestle's fault for over-promoting formula despite a lack of sanitation that Nestle knew about or reasonably should have known about. This goes hand in hand with the lack of labeling in local languages, particularly a warning that clean water is required to prevent harm to the baby.
So any company that's selling things needs to first verify from its customers whether they can properly use it or not, failing which, they should refuse to sell. And here's a thread where most people are complaining about one of them trying to violate our privacy.
Where would one buy an affordable living-room-sized monitor for composite, analog RGB, and DVI/HDMI sources that isn't "a TV"?
I don't. I use my laptop or tablet and watch YouTube live. Or uploads
The philosophy underlying the tech choices of Amish groups actually has a lot in common with Mr. Stallman's philosophy: being free of dependencies controlled by a third party.
Except that the Amish don't tend to see the rest of the world as a conspiracy: it's just that they believe in ultra-frugal living. That's different from Mr Stallman, who believes in Communism without the genocide, as a cursory visit to Stallman.org would reveal
a good way for underachievers to stay off of prozac is to redefine the word achievement. any time someone brings up their achievement is shown to not be an achievement, they provide more detail on the achievement, proving they achieved it.
this is actually a symptom of a physically malfunctioning brain, and a disease, which is usually fixed by things like prozac and talking to a psychologist. when the serotonin levels are high enough, the brain will have a break and let the person see the truth about their life, since it no longer needs to protect them from depression. at that point, the person can change and actually achieve something, instead of living in some weird loser dream.
you definitely should stay just the way you are though. you are extremely entertaining for everyone around you. you're a big boy. yes, a big strong boy. you took a big boy poop.
> Nestle has been accused of two things [...]
My favorite (by far not the only thing): sending out salespeople dressed as nurses.
a good way for underachievers to stay off of prozac is to redefine the word achievement. any time someone brings up their achievement is shown to not be an achievement, they provide more detail on the achievement, proving they achieved it.
Senior lead video game tester is a legitimate title in the video game industry. The problem with most people outside of the video game industry think that testing video games is all fun and games. That is false. Most people can't last six weeks much less six years as a video game tester.
[...] the person can change and actually achieve something, instead of living in some weird loser dream.
I'm a senior system administrator responsible for 80,000+ workstations. My coworkers and I have 20+ years of experience in IT. This is not a 'weird loser dream' in the real world.
[...] a big strong boy. you took a big boy poop.
Normal poop has the consistency of toothpaste. Mine is quite normal and regular.
It was a Raspberry Pi Zero. Cost me a whopping $5 and since it was part of a larger order, shipping was essentially free.
Already have too many keyboards, mice and monitors. And the best thing is that it's not networked, so it can't go tattling back my entire life to OS vendors, app vendors, ISPs or the NSA. But it can play multimedia and run office software.
Of course, if I'd needed it as an Internet computer, I could pay twice as much and get a Pi Zero W. Or jack in an Ethernet USB, since I've got one of those left from an old tablet.
Yes, sadly this is why I do not think Apple's walled garden of iOS is all that bad. IT is good to have SOMEONE responsible keep the goddamn hackers at bay. People whine too much about the NSA and the CIA. Sure, they are running a surveillance state but they are really not interested in you, unless you look like some violent towelhead.
The criminals? The spammers? The phishers? They will f*ck you over twice on a Sunday. They are the real problem. And no-one seems too worry too much about that.
The dangers of excessive individualism are nothing compared to the oppressiveness of excessive collectivism
The story is newsworthy, but msmash should have given TFS a different title than TFA. I think VERY few people on Slashdot will rush out to buy one of these things, and probably the majority here are at least a little bit insulted at being implicitly lumped in with Windows Magazine subscribers and other such MS fanbois.
As for the CloudBook mentioned in the article, I'm guessing it will have all the spying and advertising of Windows 10, PLUS the additional vulnerability and privacy loss associated with all your everything being stored on Microsoft servers. Now that's what I call an enticement - NOT! I won't own one of these at any price - not unless I can entirely eliminate whatever Microsoft OS / software is on it and install Linux, or unless bits and pieces of the hardware turn out to be useful for other projects.
I guess Microsoft never gets tired of copying other companies' ideas, being late to the party, shouting "me too! me too!", and then writing off losses on also-ran products that fail to gain any worthwhile market share. But who knows - maybe all those uncritical chumps who make shit like Facebook so successful, will give this product their blessing and help ensure that the scourge from Redmond remains profitable and plagues us all for a little while longer.
'The Economy' is a giant Ponzi scheme whose most pitiable suckers are the youngest among us and the yet-unborn.
I have actually seen RMS give a talk and asked him a question on the podium and frankly, he is a nutcase.
The dangers of excessive individualism are nothing compared to the oppressiveness of excessive collectivism
The big problem is that with Android, iOS, and Microsoft, there's no framework for the native app distribution to add trusted parties to the list explicitly. So while it may look good to say 'security', it also just happens to dovetail nicely with 'cut of the revenue goes to the platform owner'.
Contrast with yum or apt, which is extensible to allow third party sources.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
thanks for the extra detail. have fun being responsible for 80k+ laptops, "sr systems admin." in the real world, the real systems administrator who manages the servers will let you know when he needs adobe acrobat upgraded and your 20+ years of experience. and those guys, out of the geek crowd, are the average. they don't call you to decide what new aix servers to by, what cisco ucs farm to buy, or to allocate storage on a million dollar emc array. they do call you when they spill redbull on their keyboard.
it don't matter how long people would "last" in your job. that's one of the things that makes your job shitty, and no one successful would ever do it. i wouldn't lost a day shoveling shit in the sewers. by your definition it's a step up for you. you should check it out. you'll have a chance to tell people how your poop is normal and regular. just like all your "achievements." mediocre, normal, average. C student.
I'll make it simple for you fucktard. do you make over 200k? do you make over 150? the rest of us with 20 years of experience do, without consulting, and double that with. sr systems admin my ass. the shit in my ass. you're mall security thinking he's a cop. the worst part, is you're proud of your mediocrity and brag about it.
have fun being responsible for 80k+ laptops, "sr systems admin."
Workstations. A small number of them are $3K laptops that are design to replace desktops.
[...] the real systems administrator who manages the servers will let you know when he needs adobe acrobat upgraded [...]
Server owners are responsible for administrating their server and maintaining the application baseline. If they can't do that, their server gets deleted (VMs) or decommissioned (pulled from rack and dropped on their desk).
[...] they do call you when they spill redbull on their keyboard.
I would give them the phone number to the help desk hotline.
i wouldn't lost a day shoveling shit in the sewers.
Sewers, no. But I did shovel shit as a kid. Nothing worse than a horse sneezing on you and some of the black specks are moving.
do you make over 200k? do you make over 150?
Nope. I only need $50K+ to live in Silicon Valley.
is you're proud of your mediocrity and brag about it.
Asshats like you lose your shit because of it. If you really believed that I was mediocre and unsuccessful, you wouldn't comment at all.
Isn't that called... side-loading and/or Cydia?
Just last month I finally gave up on Windows Phone/Mobile, having been on it since it was first available on my carrier at the time and am now carrying an Android device running 7.2.
I've been pleasantly surprised by the amount of access I now have to so many little nooks and crannys of the API set on my phone, as well as how well built apps can work together to keep me & my data safe.
One of my biggest laments on Windows Phone (aside from it being abandoned long ago) was that despite (eventually) having a good chunk of Win32 under the hood, as a developer I couldn't touch the fun stuff (even for my own side loaded app) without getting some magic pixie dust from Microsoft which they only give to very select partners, while on Android & iOS, there are many more options.
The disturbing thing to me is that such capabilities also exist through the official app store, where apps can (and do) ask for far more permissions than they need, and each time I hope I click the right side of the screen to not give away too much.
I would argue that of the three... none have it fully right... but each have pieces. Android gives you all of the power out of the box, but at great risk to the owner. Apple gives you no power without jailbreaking, and private 'trusted' deployment relies only on the Enterprise Developer Program... while Windows Phone has package compatibility with tablets & desktops (now), as well as a freaking camera button.
Help Brendan pay off his student loans
Apart from the similarities in name is this CloudBook anything like the Chromebook. A long time ago something similar happened when Microsoft confused the market with its own version of the 'Palm Pilot' the 'Palm-PC'. ref
right. laptop, workstations, etc, whatever. not servers on a san running big databases. a sr sysadmin administers servers and gets paid 150+k on w2 and over 200 on 1099 for stable multiyear contracts. you've never touched a server in your life, since you think people install acrobat on those. what you have is a fake title you're proud of, and it's really funny for us all. I met a kid once who presented himself as a successful CEO.
He had an s-corp and 2 employees, and was saving up to buy a condo. I was sitting at a club at the time, the loser was trying to look busy on his phone, staring down the ass of every girl that walked by as soon as she would turn around. Everyone at my table was much more successful than this douche, but he talked up a storm about how awesome he was. The comb-over douche sat at home with his fat white trash girlfriend and sold shit on amazon that he ordered from aliexpress. He made about the same as you - 50k, and boy did he go on about how awesome and successful he was, and kept giving us advice. Of course between the 3 of us at my table, we pulled in a cool mil per year. Offered to pay our bill to treat us. He didn't know the wines we were drinking. We said sure, when it came and was 2500 - that's when we laughed at him and my buddy pulled out his amex, I dropped 5 bills for the tip, and a fifty on his table to cover his "premium Heineken beer."
as far as us actually successful "asshats" losing our shit - again this is you changing the real world in your mind so you could not get depressed in your shitty life. us "asshats" are making fun of you, laughing at you, and getting our entertainment from every single thing you say. if we were outside and you said some of the shit you say, I'd even be pointing a finger at you while laughing. You're our personal clown - we get our kicks off of you, brighten our day, and lower our blood pressure. I personally enjoy greatly putting down stupid people and laughing at the mentally inferior.
If we really believed you are a loser we wouldn't make fun of you.. Oh boy. the reality twisting your brain creates for you is hardcore.
[...] for stable multiyear contracts.
I'm halfway through a five-year IT support contract that is fully funded. If Congress shuts down the government over the budget, I'll still be at work and getting paid. My contracting agency gave me an extra month of pay as a Christmas bonus for my exceptional work.
you've never touched a server in your life,
I built out a data center for Google and managed a wireless server for 300+ laptops at Cisco.
[...] since you think people install acrobat on those.
As if a server admin never had to open a PDF file on how to configure his server. Adobe Reader shows up a lot for severs on the NESSUS scan.
I met a kid once who presented himself as a successful CEO.
I walked past Mark Zuckerberg when I had an assignment at Facebook in 2011. That would make him 27 at the time. I didn't think he was that short at 5'7" (I'm 5'10").
He didn't know the wines we were drinking. We said sure, when it came and was 2500 - that's when we laughed at him and my buddy pulled out his amex, I dropped 5 bills for the tip, and a fifty on his table to cover his "premium Heineken beer."
You're proud of pissing away $3K on wine? I spent $3K in 2013 to fly to Las Vegas, spend a week at the Rio to attend the Las Vegas Star Trek Con, watch David Copperfield and have a $100 steak at Craftsteak in the MGM Grand, and visited Hoover Dam that my parents visited for their honeymoon.
[...] us "asshats" are making fun of you [...]
No, I'm laughing at you. Seriously. Your exaggerated dick waving is so funny.
If we really believed you are a loser we wouldn't make fun of you.
This is Slashdot. You must be new around here. Turn in your geek cred and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
The issue is that it is a boolean situation.
Either a) you have a fully vetted way for a package repository to give you a validated set of updates from a single place
Or b) you just install .apk application from whoever and whenever with little security and no update mechanism (apart from whatever home-grown update mechanism the specific app developer has dreamed up, which is usually none).
If I add a third party apt or yum repository, then I can say 'all packages must be signed by a trusted packager (trusted defined as strictly the only keys that I have accepted)', and further I can add something like chrome's repo and then chrome updates come with the same system update process as everything else, or packagers like rpmfusion can cover a large set of software not quite covered 'first party' but still collected and vetted by *someone*. This is what I feel is missing in the new wave of 'app stores', a total inability to be 'federated' in any significant way.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
you quote things as if you were responding with a counterpoint, then you respond with just extra random information, and lots of weird irrelevant details.
That's because I don't take you seriously. I'm too busy laughing my ass off.
have you ever spent 150 on a night out?
I spent ~$428 per night in Las Vegas. Otherwise, I live a modest lifestyle. Which means I'm not going to piss away $3,000 on wine and brag about mismanaging my finances.
my dick is much much bigger, and I enjoy slapping your autistic head with it loser.
You sound like my older brother. He owns a landscaping design business, a big house, two cars and two trucks, and buys $180 designer jeans. Yeah, he's a rich fuck. Unfortunately, he 60-years-old, can't retire and have to keep on working. The mortgage on his house is underwater (he bought at the height of real estate market), he spends every dime that his business makes, his credit cards are maxed out, and the banks won't loan him any money. His 40-year-old trophy wife will inherit the house and screw over his adult children.
I've been on this site since late 97 or maybe early 98. it was winter, and I just graduated highschool.
I've been on Slashdot since 1999. I skipped high school but I know how to write proper English.
You are both autistic, and are wasting your time. Just get a micro-ruler, and see which one got a bigger penis, and honestly, please do it off slashdot.
"...more secure" [by putting everything in the cloud].
Wat.
So any company that's selling things needs to first verify from its customers whether they can properly use it or not, failing which, they should refuse to sell.
Correct. A merchant can't fulfill the implied warranty of merchantability without understanding its market to some extent.
I don't. I use my laptop or tablet and watch YouTube live.
Doing without a living-room-sized monitor might work for the use case of someone who lives alone, doesn't often entertain visiting friends and family, and doesn't play (genuine copies of) retro video games.
You are both autistic, and are wasting your time. Just get a micro-ruler, and see which one got a bigger penis, and honestly, please do it off slashdot.
Slashdot exists to keep me amuse while I wait for a script to finish at work.
that was someone else dipshit. you realize when you make more you can afford more? you spending your 400 is breaking bank way more than 3k being spent by a 3 people who collectively make 20x your salary. you should learn some basic math, maybe you'll get a raise up to the level of the guy who empties the trash.
your brother story is full of crap by the way. a trophy wife is no 40, she's 20. if his credit cards are maxed, he's not rich - he's poor. he owns a big house but his mortgage is "underwater?" then he doesn't own it. sounds like a guy living beyond his means. Like you, with your 428/night. My night, adjusted for your salary, cost me 150. 150 is less than 428. My jeans are probably a hundred or two. Which in your terms is like 40 bucks.
My question is - how hard does someone have to get hit with a brick to brag all over slashdot about the most mediocre shit? I get it - you're proud of being frugal - that can be fun too. but you're not bragging about being frugal. you're bragging about accomplishing what to an average person is a step down. It's like a mcdonalds nikger saying no one would last at his job long. flipping burgers is hard work, and customers are assholes, and that's why he's da man, despite making minimum wage.
that was someone else dipshit.
All asshats are equal in my eyes.
you realize when you make more you can afford more?
Conversely, the more you make the more your expenses go up to match. I've seen that a lot.
you spending your 400 is breaking bank way more than 3k being spent by a 3 people who collectively make 20x your salary.
I saved up and took a planned vacation that lasted seven days. I didn't spend $400 per night pissing it away on wine. If you understood anything about finances, you spend your money on experiences and not piss.
a trophy wife is no 40, she's 20.
His trophy wife was 16 when they started dating. His first wifewas 16 when she got pregnant. If he ever gets a third wife, I'm sure she'll be 16 as well.
sounds like a guy living beyond his means. Like you, with your 428/night.
So I'm living beyond my means for taking a planned vacation four years ago?
My night, adjusted for your salary, cost me 150.
You squandering that much money on booze? You need help.
My jeans are probably a hundred or two. Which in your terms is like 40 bucks.
I pay $20 for my jeans and my last pair was five years ago. Walmart used to have them for $10 years ago.
you're bragging about accomplishing what to an average person is a step down.
Slashdot exists to keep me amused while I'm waiting for a script to finish.
You spent 428 per night in vegas? That, to you, has much more financial impact than 3000 has for them, proportional to income. You are the one mismanaging you finances. In fact, you are about 3x more lavish in your spending. While you talk about not taking someone seriously, the guy no one takes seriously is a guy who, all over slashdot, keeps bragging about being a video game tester and a Janitor's income like that's some kind of accomplishment.
The personal details of your life that you for some reason keep volunteering to random strangers on the internet pretty much scream ex white trash, mediocre, bland life. You have accomplished nothing you can be be proud of, yet you are proud of it. Good for you. You are indeed a big boy.
Now, some more details of your Vegas trip please. Did you stare down the ass of every girl when they turned away? How was the show? I used to go to Vegas a lot. I count cards well enough to break even on blackjack, so it's a way to get drunk for free. It was - of course now I am older, I a Sr UNIX Sysadmin (solarix & aix), don't drink, but do also enjoy fine wine. Fellow Sr. Sysadmin - you seem to be making less than half of what the market is paying. I wonder why you are paid less than half of what the rest of us get paid. Care to tell us a story? Could it be because you have no applicable experience on real servers, you were kicked out of college, and you have that autism thing going on, so no one in their right mind would want you on their team?
There are no "Sr. Sysadmins" who manage a bunch of workstation and laptops. "Systems" means servers. What you are called is "PC Support" - usually a branch of level 2 helpdesk. That would align with your experience as well as your salary.
You are the one mismanaging you finances.
Yes, I'm guilty of saving up for a planned vacation instead maxing out my credit cards like everyone else. Shoot me.
The personal details of your life that you for some reason keep volunteering to random strangers on the internet [...]
I don't have a Facebook account.
[...] screams ex white trash, mediocre, bland life.
My family is from Idaho. We're rednecks, no white trailer trash.
I wonder why you are paid less than half of what the rest of us get paid. Care to tell us a story?
I work for a nation-wide project where the senior system admins are paid $50K+ per year and computer engineers are paid $80K+ per year (regardless of where you live). We're half-way through a five year contract. Last I heard we had 1,000+ people on the contract.
Could it be because you have no applicable experience on real servers, you were kicked out of college, and you have that autism thing going on, so no one in their right mind would want you on their team?
I've been working in Silicon Valley for 20+ years. Half that time in team lead positions.
What you are called is "PC Support" - usually a branch of level 2 helpdesk.
Help desk is down the hallway from my office. Users don't bang down my door.
That would align with your experience as well as your salary.
The prime contractor low-balled the techs. But five years of guaranteed work and the usual benefit pack with 20 PTO days was too good to past up. Plus my contracting agency gave me extra month of pay as a Christmas bonus.
you spent 428 compared to my equivalent 150. you go on to accuse me to "pissing away money." it's pointed out to you twice and you still don't get the irony. can't really expect more from a mediocre redneck.
get it through your face moron. no one who's accomplished anything in it makes 50k as a sr. sysadmin. 150 on w2, 200 on a contract. you are not a real sr sysadmin. you have no marketable skills. you're a loser, and after all your "experience" doing kids' work you get paid less than someone straight out of college with zero experience. your team lead positions are team lead of the janitorial staff. you're the leader of interns and helpdesk monkeys. you don't have a real job, nor any useful skills.
the highlight of your 4 years is a shitty trip to vegas? sucks to be you. literally, with all your life's details - your life is sad sad shit, and you're very happy with it because you came from even worse shit.
you say people spending less money on shit proportional to their salary is them pissing money away, but what that actually means is you can't do math. they buy better shit, they save more than you, and their jobs are less stressful. you pretty much lose on every count.
do you notice how you never actually counter a point that's made - you just provide more detail? do you know why we all love you on slashdot? it's because we keep shitting on you, you never fire back, and you keep replying. you are life's punching bag, and every time, you ask for more.
so, how does that logic of yours go again? if we really thought you are a loser we wouldn't keep making fun of you?
by the way moron, a 16 year old girl is not a "trophy wife." that's a teen you fuck and get pregnant. a trophy wife is a gold digger 22 year old, who gets replaced by another 22 year old every 10 years. your "rich uncle" example is a broke guy who's maxed out his credit cards and got some trailor trash ged student pregnant so he married her as the cuck he is. you know what well off people don't have? maxed out credit cards or 16 year old wives. we do bang 16 year olds though (17 -25 in my case). we're just not genetic defects like your family, so we don't marry them.
get it through your face moron.
I'm not the one who has a drinking problem and mismanages personal finances. I live a clean, sober and modest life.
speaking for myself, I don't come here to socialize. dorks like you come here for "discussion" with their keyboard, to "hang out" with their keyboard, to "talk" to "people" and have "human contact."
this is a fucking website you ugly loser reject. I come here to relax and make fun of people. I socialize and discuss things with... actual people, named not "fakefuck" and not "ruir." ever use the word "troll" out in public?
you're a loser. you come here for social contact. I come here to shit on you and get my kicks fuggo. keep doing what you're doing though. the less you are outside the less we have to look at you, you stupid fat fuck. good to know you want people to type only what you want them to type on this site though. no one gives a fuck about your opinion, but it's good to know that you aren't able to not read something you don't want to read. fucking loser.
i'm not the one sucking old man dick for crack. see, I can make up things too.
drinking problem: a bottle of fine wine between 3 people = drinking problem. gotcha.
mismanages personal finance: spend less 1/3 the percentage of my salary that you do on going out
maybe your complete lack of logic is why you can't get a good job after 20 years?
let's go back to what started this thread. some guy claimed you are an idiot. you replied that you are not, and as proof let us know you test video games, got kicked out of college, and make about 1/3 of what everyone else with your years of experience makes.
sad, sad.. you make up shit about other people, then argue against it. here's a well-off successful person. you pretend that person is your broke loser uncle, then diss your uncle.
I have a house, it cost just under a mil. I have a salary, 3x yours. I have no debt. I save more per year than you make. do enjoy sucking that dick for crack though, you fucking crack-addicted nigfagger
Using chromebooks, the point is making it a whole lot more secure is by NOT using microsoft products. I noticed that at a security conference recently and said so. The speaker kept telling us about what he did to make his family and company a whole lot safer. I noticed that not one thing was running microsoft. He said precisely.
You need to stop. You need to get help. Your drinking and irresponsible spending is ruining your life.
Not into drinking and irresponsible spending. You would have to be a complete retard to think that, even after time and time again it has been explained to you. It was even shown to you with math. So you don't get arithmetic, you don't get language - both sides of your brain are malfunctioning. Is it because you are a redneck? The product of brother and sister?
let's get on a more serious subject. you make up this online personality and maintain it on here. you're kinda famous here for it, like the apk guy. everyone know this, so whenever they want to shit on someone and diss them, after a bad day at the office, they know you'll always reply and ask for more. you never fire back with anything offensive, you just sit there and take shit from people. This is fun for us, and me personally, after a long day at the office, provides stress relief. What is the point of this for you though? Is this some kind of a cuck mentality where you actually get pleasure from being dissed? is this because you were a dork in highschool, unattractive, not popular and picked on, so you took that "weirdness" you have and added to it to the point where you can say "I'm like this on purpose" even though you're actually like that because you can't help it? Like a guy with terrible acne who decides to wear clown makeup?
I'm going to guess you get some really ugly women, in a very rare while. Since you reply to many many posts without the reply being interesting or funny, you don't seem to have an actual funny sense of humor. We've established you're quite a fuggo as well. So let me axe you - do you jack off in a full bathtub while imagining the nasty cow you fucked last night, with the great personality, is getting it from a nigmonkey while you watch?
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I'm not any of the guys you have talked to - I just enjoy reading deep threads. I gotta say - I clicked your link. I didn't read anything, but there is a photo of you. Oh boy, did you lose the genetic lottery. Shitty mediocre life, real ugly and fat, and you "write blogs" hoping someone would read them so you can get a tenth of a penny.
Now I understand why when people make fun of you, you simply provide more details of your life instead of firing back. I first thought you were a troll of some kind with an identity you picked and maintained here. You are actually a fat, ugly, boring loser. Wow. Your life sucks. I know - you don't agree. You've redefined sucks to mean awesome - which it is compared to nijjers and white trash, and the mexican busboy. I'd ridiculously shitty compared to most people on this specific site though. I do love the fact that you stand there while everyone makes fun of you, and reply to all the posts. There is some kind of a brain malfunction going on there. Or more likely, prozac, maybe mixed with xanax.
Shitty mediocre life, real ugly and fat, and you "write blogs" hoping someone would read them so you can get a tenth of a penny.
I'm on track to make an extra $50+ in advertising revenues on Slashdot this money.