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Boeing To Lay Off Hundreds of Engineers Amid Sales Slowdown (reuters.com)

According to Reuters, Boeing has warned its employees that it "planned another round of involuntary layoffs that would affect hundreds of engineers at its commercial airplanes unit." From the report: The latest job cuts followed a prior involuntary reduction of 245 workers set for May 19 as the company responded to increasing competition and slowing aircraft sales. The additional layoffs are due to start June 23, according to the memo from John Hamilton, vice president of engineering at Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "We are moving forward with a second phase of involuntary layoffs for some select skills in Washington state and other enterprise locations," the memo said. "We anticipate this will impact hundreds of engineering employees. Additional reductions in engineering later this year will be driven by our business environment and the amount of voluntary attrition."

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  1. Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Some exec is looking at the millions he saved by getting rid of all that pesky R&D/QA and going, "Man, can you believe we spent millions on personnel who just made sure stuff worked right? Good thing that's all going to my fat bonus now."

    1. Re:Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Some exec is looking at the millions he saved by getting rid of all that pesky R&D/QA"

      Oh that happened already decades ago; R&D is now handled by university students who PAY for the privilege of having the IP transferred to their school...

      Then graduate with debt and zero guarantees of a job.

  2. Hmz.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why are the engineers always being fired first? Guess it's being something thougth by some random MBA course or something?

    1. Re:Hmz.... by Fringe · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It isn't really that the engineers get fired first; more like they don't even hire other disciplines now. The rest are outsourced to local manufacturers, or contracted workers through external companies, so it doesn't make the news when those reductions happen. Years ago Boeing manufactured a much larger percentage of their airplanes than they do now, and had a larger fraction of their administrative (e.g.) work done by employees.

    2. Re:Hmz.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      That is correct. Most of the Dreamliner for example is made outside the US, and increasing amounts of engineering are moved as well.

      The days when Boeing made most of the airplane in the US are long gone, and have been for a while.

    3. Re:Hmz.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Quick, name the professional body that regulates engineer's pay???!!!

      Oh yeah, unlike accountants, lawyers, notaries, or doctors, engineering isn't actually a profession. It's a masochist's wet dream.

      You ever hear about H1Bs for accountants, lawyers, notaries, or doctors?

      Hmmm.....

    4. Re:Hmz.... by Jzanu · · Score: 4, Informative

      You really need to read that article again, starting with the summary at the top. You are either illiterate or biased and missed the point that Boeing was violating federal labor laws by actively choosing to re-locate an existing plant to another state. Regulation of such actions is the squarely the NLRB's job. Details of the actual complaint are here.

    5. Re:Hmz.... by Jzanu · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, the timing of the relocation decision following a strike at the Washington plant such that the relocation was a punishment to those workers for the act of organizing and striking is what made the action illegal. Read it all again, and the NLRB page.

    6. Re:Hmz.... by Jzanu · · Score: 2

      And if you can't follow legal documents here is the law protecting those worker rights, from 1935.

    7. Re:Hmz.... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      So you think it is okay for a company to close a plant in a state where workers have rights and moved to a state where workers can be abused with twice the hours at the same rate of pay?

      Yes, I think that companies should be able to locate jobs in any state they choose.
      Overtime laws in Washington and South Carolina are similar, so I think you are spouting nonsense about that.
      Hourly pay for Boeing's assembly line workers in SC is about 20% lower than in WA, but the cost of living is also considerably lower.

    8. Re:Hmz.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Idiot the complaint dealt with the contemporaneous actual 100% real threat form Boeing to move the production line. Read the god damn web page.

  3. Two months ago "Couldn't keep up with demand" by aratuk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder how this report squares with the one from late February that "Boeing and Airbus Can't Make Enough Airplanes To Keep Up With Demand". Poor workforce management? One of these two stories must misrepresent the truth.

    1. Re: Two months ago "Couldn't keep up with demand" by raftpeople · · Score: 4, Informative

      The demand for engineering resources and the demand for production resources don't necessarily coincide. The article you linked to is referring to production.

    2. Re: Two months ago "Couldn't keep up with demand" by ghoul · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Part of that is the long lead times for Airlines. Engineers would be needed now to be designing a new plane which would enter manufacturing 5-10 years from now. There may be enough manufacturing demand for the existing planes but not enough demand for a new plane. Actually since its pretty much impossible to forecast demand 10 years in the future most new planes are gambles and Boeing is not feeling flush enough to take the gamble. Things like Trump pissing off the rest of the world which takes away a large chunk of Boeings potential customers play into that. But other factors like China and Russia coming out with good enough alternatives meaning many of the middle income country markets will shift away from Boeing and Airbus in the 5-10 year timeframe.

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  4. About those claims of a shortage of engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There has never been, and never will be, a shortage of engineers.

    There is, however, a surplus of greed and stupidity amongst the 1% that means people with decades of experience and education are forced to run around like dogs on the street looking for work. Meanwhile none of the 'shareholder activists' and C level executives will ever feel even the slightest ounce of pain, regardless of how many failures they create.

    There was no purpose in winning the cold war - we have replicated the worst parts of the Soviet Union all by ourselves.

    1. Re:About those claims of a shortage of engineers by Jzanu · · Score: 2

      Winning the cold war? Maybe part 1 by default, but part 2 since 1990 was lost as soon as the West failed to contain Russia from creating the war in nagorno karabakh and profiteering by supplying weapons to both sides simultaneously.

  5. It's for a stock bump by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    They took a hit when Trump announced "Cancel Order!" to their Air Force one bid. Our entire economy is built around short term stock bumps because most CEO pay is in bonuses and stock options (so that they don't have to pay income tax on it).

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  6. Re:Blighted morons? by losfromla · · Score: 2

    I did, and he could. It wouldn't take much. Take the farm subsidies, move them over to education. Cut the military budget by 25% and move it to education. Remove the loan programs and just pay colleges a flat fee per student. It's not that difficult, many other countries have free college for their students, some even pay a stipend so the student can eat and have a place to live. Of course, those are first world countries so maybe the comparison isn't fair. ;-)

    OTOH, NY just made college free so what do you make of that?

    I guess I'd enjoy tRumpf squirm too if he had the brainpower to realize how much of a dumb fat-fuck he is. I do wish he'd be competent enough to get rid of free-trade and implement border/VAT taxes but he'll go with the flow in order to make money for him and his shitty kids and businesses. He is literally the ultimate sell-out.

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  7. In other news... by JustNiz · · Score: 2

    In other news... Indian software contract houses today announced new billion dollar contract with Boeing,

    Staying with aviation news: The FAA today announced a new initiative to "update" engineering standards covering aircraft manufacture. a spokes person was quoted as saying "certain FAA standards, especially those covering software quality/safety in aircraft have been unnecessarily complex and burdensome to the aircraft industry for years".

  8. Re:Can I change my major to literature? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    That's akin to looking up at 3" of water above your head and deciding the best course of action to take a breath of air is to swim *downward*.

  9. Electronics Ban by ghoul · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nope we are beginning to see the effect of Trump's electronics ban on Gulf airlines. They are moving orders away from Boeing to Airbus

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  10. Is this news? by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have studied aeronautics and I was told that U.S. aeronautical engineers were called "gypsies". All the U.S. aircraft were designed by the same team of engineers, who were hired for a design job, fired afterwards and therefore went from factory to factory to be able to make a living. For us European students, it was totally absurd that you would have to spend a large part of your life studying and still end up as a dragged-around gypsy.

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    1. Re:Is this news? by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      For us European students, it was totally absurd that you would have to spend a large part of your life studying and still end up as a dragged-around gypsy.

      For European students it is probably also absurd that you make ridiculous amounts of money after your study doing it. It is a type of work compensated accordingly. One of my co-students and I went separate ways after uni. He went full gypsy. I stayed in a big city. 5 years later he bought a house in cash, I had the down-payment for the loan.

  11. Re:Blighted morons? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

    Econ 101 - there is no such thing as a free lunch.

    You might want to study a little bit more economics and realise that economics is not a zero-sum game and that there is such a thing as an investment with a positive return. Then learn about incentive systems.

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