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Pioneering Researchers Track Sudden Learning 'Epiphanies' (sciencedaily.com)

wisebabo quotes Science Daily: Until now, researchers had not had a good way to study how people actually experienced what is called "epiphany learning." In new research, scientists at The Ohio State University used eye-tracking and pupil dilation technology to see what happens as people figured out how to win a strategy game on a computer. "We could see our study participants figuring out the solution through their eye movements as they considered their options," said Ian Krajbich, co-author of the study and assistant professor of psychology and economics at Ohio State. "We could predict they were about to have an epiphany before they even knew it was coming."
The original submission suggests, "This might be useful to determine when you are trying to teach a difficult subject to someone who you're afraid might be inclined to just nod their head. Or maybe this is how the Voight-Kampff test works. (Are you a replicant?)"

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  1. Re:Misread title by hey! · · Score: 1

    Everybody poops.

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  2. Beautiful moment by MarkH · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For myself it was algebra taught by nun at secondary school. 'Woot you can divide, subtract, add on BOTH sides of equal sign and is same thing!

    I am firm believer that in maths in particular you need to go as far back as possible to get students to grok core concepts.

    I hate idea that so many students are left behind in maths early on as don't have these core revelations.

    1. Re:Beautiful moment by omnichad · · Score: 1

      so many students are left behind in maths early on as don't have these core revelations.

      Here in the US, we are stuck with Common Core revelations.

    2. Re:Beautiful moment by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Math also needs to be more practical at a young age. No more math tables. Teach length, area and volume before anything else and do lots of practice. Length of your arm, length of your body (height), length of your bicycle, length of a shoe box, area of a shoe box, length of the wings on an airplane

      Grade 1 homework problem: measure the dimensions of your house.

      Grade 2 homework problem: find the area and volume of your house

      Grade 3 homework problem: find the volume of a person and calculate how many people can fit in your house.

      Grade 4 homework problem: find the volume of your house including the pitched roof (complex shapes). Find the volume of the pyramids. Find the volume of a swimming pool.

      These are problems without right wrong answers but require thinking and understanding of concepts. you probably wouldn't have to teach much as people are good at discovering the methods on their own if they have a goal. A report card grade is not a goal.

    3. Re:Beautiful moment by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Here in the US, we are stuck with Common Core revelations.

      Are people still making a fuss about Common Core now that Obama is out of office?

    4. Re:Beautiful moment by perry64 · · Score: 1

      Hate to tell you this, but there are right/wrong answers to all of the problems you cited. The only one that might have multiple answers, depending upon how you worded it, is how many people can you fit into your house.

    5. Re:Beautiful moment by mikael · · Score: 1

      I remember my Dad trying to teach me to draw regular cube patterns as something to keep me occupied while on a flight. It's that point when I realize that each loop of lines (either a square, vertical or horizontal parallelogram) actually represented a particular direction.

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    6. Re:Beautiful moment by Gamer_2k4 · · Score: 1

      Here in the US, we are stuck with Common Core revelations.

      Are people still making a fuss about Common Core now that Obama is out of office?

      Believe it or not, it wasn't just an anti-Obama talking point, but something people have a legitimate issue with.

  3. Cached version by HalAtWork · · Score: 1
  4. You always remember the first time... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As a kid, I loved the Coleco Wiz Quiz: The Computer Question & Answer Game. Each cartridge book had 1,001 trivia questions. I was on my third cartridge book when I had my first epiphany by noticing a specific pattern between all three cartridge books: the answer for question #1 was the always same, so was the answer for question #2, ..., so was the answer for question #1001. Since I had memorized the sequence for 1,001 questions and answers, it took me 15 minutes to go through the third cartridge book without ever reading the questions and answers. I got each and every question right. My immediate action was to throw the game into the trash, as knowing the sequence took the fun out of learning new trivia questions.

    What I learned from this epiphany was that I could recognize patterns. When I got an Atari 2600 a few years later and started playing video games, I found more patterns and started beating the video games. I would later work at Accolade/Infogrames/Atari (same company, different owners, multiple personality disorder) for six years (1997-2004), testing 60+ video games, writing 30,000+ bug reports and leading ten titles through testing. When I got into IT support, I became an expert troubleshooter because I could recognize patterns and find solutions.

    1. Re:You always remember the first time... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Their RAM budget for the answer sheet was 256 bytes.

      Unlikely. Many of the handheld electronic toys from the 1970's didn't have processors. Without a processor, you don't need RAM. The games were hard coded in logic gates

    2. Re:You always remember the first time... by tomhath · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The one I remember most vividly was realizing that there's nothing special about solving a double integral. I'd gone to all the classes and did the homework, but it just didn't click. Heading to the first exam I knew I was going to flunk, so I stopped at a bar on the way and had a glass of beer. FIrst question was to solve one involving a function and rotation about the x axis. I looked at it and realized there was really nothing to it; solve the integral of the function, then solve the integral of the rotation. Ended up with a 99% on the test, and have disliked math teachers ever since for forcing students to solve problems by rote instead of by understanding what they're doing.

    3. Re:You always remember the first time... by rtb61 · · Score: 1, Troll

      Schools have to teach a range of students, some genetically are more capable of achieving understanding and others are more bound by belief. The believers tend to be the majority and the under standers the minority and that is genetically tied to belief, a belief in reproduction, really quite primitive. You teach believers by rote, it is the way they learn because it is the way they think. Logically there should be separate classes, those with emphasis for understanders and those with a emphasis for more belief based individuals. It is likely one group gains epiphanies from achieving understanding whilst the other group gains epiphanies from certainties in an empty beliefs (pity the believers their certainties are often empty traps).

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    4. Re:You always remember the first time... by illtud · · Score: 1

      Similar, mid-70s.

      I would have been 4/5. We had a game with an square grid (maybe 8x8 or 10x10) where you laid down one of a number of overlays with illustrations on each square. You would have to pair an image from the left side of the grid with an image on the right side. You'd do this with a couple of banana plugs connected by wires to the top of the grid, which had a lightbulb and buzzer. Each image had a hole cut out near the bottom, so you could make contact with the metal pad and hardwired connections beneath. Even at that age I eventually realised that this one here on the left always went to the same corner of the right side. So new overlays were never really scrutinized, it was following the pattern (with a bit of 3 trys per connection) of the first games we finished.

      Hmm, 70s.

  5. Finally, something that isn't fMRI by DoctorBonzo · · Score: 1

    this result not only sounds plausible, but probably also has some neurology to back it up . . .

  6. A bit limited by ewibble · · Score: 1

    From the article they detect you are about to come to an epiphany when your eyes focus more on the 0 (this solution) and become dilated. that is fine when there is a simple thing to focus on.

    This may well be true in limited circumstances, like when learning something physical like playing a game that moving some number but some problems are more abstract, but there are plenty of times I have come up with solutions to problems by doing something else entirely different, even in my sleep (I often think I should be paid for sleeping).

    I am also not sure that this learning with this game is simply not a subconscious reward system anyway especially since the solution is so simple (always pick zero).

  7. Re:Misread title by davester666 · · Score: 1

    But never stand next to a leaning elephant when you do it. You wind up getting squashed!

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