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WikiLeaks Releases New CIA Secret: Tapping Microphones On Some Samsung TVs (fossbytes.com)

FossBytes reports: The whistleblower website Wikileaks has published another set of hacking tools belonging to the American intelligence agency CIA. The latest revelation includes a user guide for CIA's "Weeping Angel" tool... derived from another tool called "Extending" which belongs to UK's intelligence agency MI5/BTSS, according to Wikileaks. Extending takes control of Samsung F Series Smart TV. The highly detailed user guide describes it as an implant "designed to record audio from the built-in microphone and egress or store the data."

According to the user guide, the malware can be deployed on a TV via a USB stick after configuring it on a Linux system. It is possible to transfer the recorded audio files through the USB stick or by setting up a WiFi hotspot near the TV. Also, a Live Liston Tool, running on a Windows OS, can be used to listen to audio exfiltration in real-time. Wikileaks mentioned that the two agencies, CIA and MI5/BTSS made collaborative efforts to create Weeping Angel during their Joint Development Workshops.

100 comments

  1. Samasung's ToS what a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    in effect Samsungs ToS says that if you need to have a private conversation you should leave the room.

    My living room and I'm supposed to no longer have a realistic expectation of privacy...

    Short term solution ensure no connection to internet for TV

    Longer term - got rid of the Samsung junk and replaced it with something else...

    1. Re:Samasung's ToS what a joke by SeriousTube · · Score: 2

      If you are of particular government interest they could set up a surreptitious wifi hotspot for you.

    2. Re:Samasung's ToS what a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My living room and I'm supposed to no longer have a realistic expectation of privacy...

      That's right. You gave that up when you and/or your fellow voters elected and reelected your corrupt politicians, either out of antipathy or plain old apathy. Either way, saddle up and enjoy the ride.

    3. Re:Samasung's ToS what a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Short term solution ensure no connection to internet for TV

      make sure there are no open Wi-Fi networks in range of your TV.... or maybe even no cellphone networks... (which is basically impossible if you don't build a faraday cage for it.

    4. Re:Samasung's ToS what a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you bought it, you deserve it!

      FUCK YOU!

    5. Re:Samasung's ToS what a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just open it up and unplug the antennas... It's not like they aren't obvious.

    6. Re:Samasung's ToS what a joke by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      in effect Samsungs ToS says that if you need to have a private conversation you should leave the room.

      My ToS said don't plug in the ethernet cable.

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    7. Re:Samasung's ToS what a joke by Solandri · · Score: 2

      This particular exploit doesn't require an Internet connection. And the fact that it was for a Samsung TV probably has more to do with the prevalence of Samsung TVs (most bang for the coding buck).

      Any device with a microphone attached to a computer that's always left partially powered on could be hacked to do this. Previous leaks have pointed to similar malware for phones. It's just that TVs are easier to hack since they're frequently left unattended (and people like you think they're safe if it doesn't have an Internet connection), while phones are carried on the person. You're a fool if you think the risk is limited to a single company's products

      And I'm not even sure the microphone is necessary. If the computer can measure the voltage on a speaker wire, a speaker can be used as a (poor) microphone. Conceptually they are the same thing. A voltage moves a physical membrane to produce sound. Sound moves a physical membrane to produce voltage.

    8. Re:Samasung's ToS what a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you know you are being tapped, then either plug the leak, or fill it with intelligent misinformation.
      I would think that the inteded targets must be high value, higher than all the druglords with seemingly unimpeded success.
      Your average stone head should not have much to fear.
      If a TV has a camera and a mike, they should be removed, or better yet redirected to spinners, goatse or similar....

    9. Re:Samasung's ToS what a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "voters elected and reelected your corrupt politicians"
      There was not and is not any non-corrupt candidates to chose from.

      All the people hyper-ventilating over Trump are aiming their ire against the wrong target. Executive power is subservient to the nose picking and ass scratching morons in the legislative branch. If you feel the need to protest something you should gather up your signs and move your group over to the Capitol building.

      The worst of the problems could be solved by placing term limits on all federal elected politicians and changing all the campaign finance laws starting with getting rid of all the 501c organizations. Then turn your energy towards identifying the source of the campaign money every politician accepts. People and groups do not contribute millions of dollars to a politicians campaign without expecting a ROI. In other words the US Legislative branch is owned and take their marching orders from their wealthy benefactors. Source the money and then correlate the money with any government actions that may impact the recipient of the money.

      If you don't really want to contribute anything useful to society than continue with your ineffective and irritating pep rallies.

    10. Re:Samasung's ToS what a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you are of particular government interest they could set up a surreptitious wifi hotspot for you.

      People always say this kind of thing. The thing is, that they could, but they wouldn't. They probably aren't particularly interested in you now. However, say a few years down the line you have a big successful company and "they" want to force you to betray a customer, what can they then do? With the wifi hotspot nothing because they won't have known that you have the company in future.

      With mass surveillance and cheap access to your smart TV they can just monitor everyone and then, when the find out your company is a success, they go back in time, look at the old data they mass collected, use that to force you to give them the keys to the kingdom and take away all the independence you built up.

    11. Re:Samasung's ToS what a joke by Cederic · · Score: 1

      And I'm not even sure the microphone is necessary.

      Well, the TV has a microphone already directed to capture voices in the room and is a nice power supply for the USB stick.

      Without the TV a bug would have been planted anyway, but providing it with power would be trickier.

    12. Re:Samasung's ToS what a joke by amorsen · · Score: 1

      Doesn't help. The exploit can be delivered via DVB-T or DVB-S, so if you watch OTA or satellite TV, it is game over. From there, it can set up the wireless network itself, connecting to an attacker-provided hotspot.

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    13. Re:Samasung's ToS what a joke by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      Doesn't help. The exploit can be delivered via DVB-T or DVB-S, so if you watch OTA or satellite TV, it is game over. From there, it can set up the wireless network itself, connecting to an attacker-provided hotspot.

      However that makes it a local attack.

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  2. News flash by El+Cubano · · Score: 5, Insightful

    News Flash!

    If it has a microphone, camera, receives RF, or transmits RF, you can bet that the CIA, NSA, GCHQ, GCSE, ISI, etc., have figured out how to spy on and/or surreptitiously activate the device or have at least given it a serious try.

    Why do people continue to be surprised by these revelations?

    About the only new information here, I suppose, is the specific devices targeted and the degree of success which they have achieved. Still, if you are concerned about espionage, then treat every electronic device as compromised and you won't have a problem.

    1. Re:News flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forget "smart" TVs! Don't smartphones have mics that some government organization can tap remotely?

    2. Re:News flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do people continue to be surprised by these revelations?

      They aren't, which is why Mr Assange is tapdancing as fast as he can. It's entirely possible that he realises he's in the entertainment business now.

    3. Re:News flash by mikael · · Score: 1

      Any UNIX or Linux device that has a microphone, camera, or other sensor and TCP/IP support is going to be able to be tapped. Every device in /dev is a stream input or output device. That data can be read and then sent out to anywhere else in the world using the "sockets" library. That allows everything from VOIP to video-conferencing, instant messaging and group chat.

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    4. Re: News flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And don't watch any movies which show that bugs can be planted in a room, or lasers reading sound waves from windows and walls.

      Seconding your own device just makes it easier

    5. Re:News flash by TWX · · Score: 1

      I just pictured Assange-as-Frankenstein as in Gene Wilder's character during the, "Puttin' on the Ritz," scene in Young Frankenstein, trying to distract both the monster and the audience as the presentation/act starts going down in flames...

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    6. Re:News flash by alantus · · Score: 1

      And for computers they don't even have to do anything, since Intel already did the dirty work with their AMT technology.

    7. Re:News flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Any UNIX or Linux device that has a microphone, camera, or other sensor and TCP/IP support is going to be able to be tapped.

      ... only if they can get PulseAudio to work.

      We're safe, for a while.

    8. Re:News flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      People have to pretend to be surprised. AMERICA DOESN'T SPY!!!!, just like AMERICA DOESN'T TORTURE!!! back in the Bush years. Assange feeds into the doublethink, desperate to save his own ass.

      A shame - he would've been safer with Clinton in the White House.

    9. Re:News flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +5 Funny, and thanks for the laugh :). -PCP

    10. Re:News flash by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

      Can you put a Faraday cage around the Camera? Maybe woven steel around the cord? (Both are grounded) ..Maybe run another camera next to it that views random colors and pictures.

    11. Re:News flash by sabbede · · Score: 1

      Well, unless one of the revelations was that the CIA is using these tools domestically, I'm not worried. That was my big issue with the Snowden revelations - the NSA was breaking the rules by listening in on domestic communication. I want the CIA to spy on somepeople.

  3. Weeping Angel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    So, does the television get closer to you every time you blink?

    1. Re:Weeping Angel by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      From the name, I was expecting it to be an obfuscation tool for hiding other malware when the user opens certain programs like the task manager etc.

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    2. Re:Weeping Angel by Z80a · · Score: 1

      And when it gets close enough, it kills you by displaying something horrifying and british, like noseybonk.

  4. Time for an "Open Source" TV system by bogaboga · · Score: 1, Interesting

    This should not be that tough. I am of the thought that anything electronic cannot survive the CIA and the like.

    1. Re:Time for an "Open Source" TV system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if they have physical access to your TV running open source software, their USB dongle could infect that too.
      Or they could just glue a mic to the back of your tv where you never look. Or anywhere else for that matter. They have physical access.

  5. The U.S. government is CORRUPT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    U.S. citizens aren't protected from dishonesty and sneakiness. Rich corporations and people are allowed to do what they want.

    There are exceptions: Volkswagen to pay $2.8 billion in US diesel emission scandal

    1. Re:The U.S. government is CORRUPT! by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2

      Rich corporations and people are allowed to do what they want.

      There are exceptions: Volkswagen to pay $2.8 billion in US diesel emission scandal

      That's because they cheated the GOVERNMENT.

      But it's nice to see the individuals who got hurt (lower mileage once the patches are applied, lower resale value) getting some of the bux for a change.

      (Why do you still get robo-calls? Because the Fed preempted state laws that had let people sue the robo-callers for damages.)

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    2. Re:The U.S. government is CORRUPT! by slashrio · · Score: 2

      The exception being that Volkswagen isn't a US company.

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  6. Desktop PCs have no microphones by sandbagger · · Score: 1

    Do you really, really need a laptop?

    And if you're paranoid, you can install a switch on the speaker so that it cannot be turned into a microphone.

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    1. Re: Desktop PCs have no microphones by sandbagger · · Score: 3, Funny

      Congratulations on missing the point.

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  7. finally safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I feel safe and secured as CIA listens if something bad would happen for me

  8. I thought this was released weeks ago by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I thought one of the previous releases mentioned Weeping Angel (or at least weeping something) and that it turned Samsung TVs into room bugs. So I assumed this one was more details on it.

    But the media seems to be talking about it as if it's new with this release and a big surprise.

    Did they just notice it now, or am I misremembering the earlier stuff? (Either way, it's good that it's finally getting public attention.)

    (Sorry to bother others with the question. But I've been too busy to plow through it all personally and would appreciate info from people who have done some deep-diving.)

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    1. Re:I thought this was released weeks ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You are correct -- this isn't (new) news.

    2. Re:I thought this was released weeks ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not news it's olds.

    3. Re:I thought this was released weeks ago by pixel+sorceress · · Score: 1

      This was definitely released a few weeks back, there was even a Last Week Tonight segment on it.

    4. Re:I thought this was released weeks ago by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I thought the timeline went
      - a few weeks ago: CIA can hack Samsung TVs
      - today: Wikileaks release the hacking tool

  9. No Secret by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yup, all those Chinese hotels send a repairman up as soon as you physically unplug the hotel room TV

    The cure is tape over the camera and a dob of blutack over the mike, or one earphone connected to mp3 player playing a porno., or a bad TV soapie.
    Eventually who is ever listing in, is going to become very socially maladjusted.
    The fix Samsung should make is to display a firmware checksum and display a box or shape on the screen, calculated by the number of instructions executed since a timer set in some nonvolatile non readable protected eeprom memory. Any monkey business will have to be a lot cleverer than hooking service mode. or someone writes a USB stick program to dump out the firmware for forensic checking.

    A TV with a built in Canary. What is the IOT coming to.

    1. Re:No Secret by TWX · · Score: 1

      At home the solution is to buy a computer monitor, not a TV, and to track down one of those old early HDTV standalone tuners. Not the DTV converter boxes, but the high def output models that were required for early HD tube TVs that lacked ATSC tuners.

      Or, at home, similar to above, to use a video projector as your TV and again, to get a separate tuner for it.

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    2. Re:No Secret by mikael · · Score: 1

      A lot of hotels do that everywhere. They had a anti-theft system that is tied into the internet/cable connection.

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    3. Re:No Secret by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At home the solution is to buy a computer monitor, not a TV, and to track down one of those old early HDTV standalone tuners. Not the DTV converter boxes, but the high def output models that were required for early HD tube TVs that lacked ATSC tuners.

      The ATSC tuners they make today are more than capable of HD output, even most of the DTV converter boxes could, though a few of them didn't have the HDMI or other output wired in, you could do it yourself with some work.

      If it was worth the bother, which it isn't. Like I said, you can buy the ones with the HD already in, and it's about the same cost.

    4. Re:No Secret by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and in soviet Russia it was novel to find a Hotel Room that wan't bugged.

    5. Re:No Secret by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the solution is not to put microphones and cameras into televisions. The IoT is neither necessary nor sufficiently commodious to justify its existence.

    6. Re: No Secret by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      Why would Samsung fix this? They need something for negotiations when they get blocked from importing phones during patent spats with Apple.

    7. Re: No Secret by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      Typing letter by letter for searches is time consuming and the thought is always, "why can't I just say it?" Or scrolling through hundreds of channels to find a show. And of course, it was built to solve user problems and make a better experience. I don't know why there'd be a camera.

  10. Spy Agencies Spy!!! News at 9 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jesus.

  11. Do stupid people buy "smart" things? by TheOuterLinux · · Score: 1

    I'm convinced.

  12. Silly story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If someone can sneak a USB stick into a television, he can sneak a microphone and a transmitter into the room. Or put the microphone on the stick and use USB just for power - no need to rely on the target having a specific old model of television.

    1. Re:Silly story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not with a modern open-plan minimalist apartment they can't. Probably they had some suspect who just had a widescreen TV and sofa chairs.

    2. Re:Silly story by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      "If someone can sneak a USB stick into a television, he can sneak a microphone and a transmitter into the room."

      The difference is that you have to leave the discrete microphone and transmitter behind.

    3. Re:Silly story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      except when they plug in the USB stick right before they box the product for "testing"

      have a nice day :)

  13. PACINLAW-GOV.ORG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are doing it wrong. Like this:

    The average American citizen is bwing managed or maintaned by an administrative executive function intended as as a government for the aliens. Actual civil government functions are a political function and not a body corporate executive function. That federal entitity with a EIN U.S. Goverment and it's subsidiaries such as STATE OF CALIFORNIA are alien constructs.

    Considering the Congress of The United States of America each signed die (dye) and began the AMERICAN Civil War, would explain the arrival of the non-American U.S. CONGRESS.

    Also explaining predominance of Uniform Commercial Code in resolving disputes in the Vehicle Codes of the corporate STATES, the change of confederate plural Civil Flag Title 4 US Code from standing stripes and blue stars to fallen stripes and white stars, then the mock of Admiralty Jurisdiction on land by no oaths and seizures and of'course the tampering of flag etiquette by a gold fringe, what do you expect of a foreign occupier?

    All Birth Certificates are footnoted AMERICAN BANKNOTE COMPANY. Internal Revenue Service on successful court challenge admits protection orders for not disclosing how it asseses and collects taxes on U.S. persons dwelling abroad or otherwise known as 14th Amendment citizens of the United States moving private credit or debt of which is curreny-property not entitled to collection of tax since falls outside The Coinage.Act.

    A land where laws dont apply because none file an Apostille, and no ne luve in the country since any denizens havent an affidavit of Domicile, is perpetually regulated and administered by private laws of code and no use of citizenship.

    1. Re:PACINLAW-GOV.ORG by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      >bwing managed

      Is bwing management what comes after agile?

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    2. Re:PACINLAW-GOV.ORG by ubrgeek · · Score: 2

      No. It was a very early version of the X-wing.

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    3. Re: PACINLAW-GOV.ORG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is your bedtime, Mr. Jones. Go to bed.

  14. Who has time for TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    open source is no safer than Shamsung.

    1. Re:Who has time for TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many eyes gazing lovingly at midget porn don't see Heartbleed.

  15. Hard switches by markdavis · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If we [society] really cared about privacy, we would require that ALL devices that contain a microphone or camera contain HARD switches that can cut them on/off at will. Not soft switches under software/firmware control. The reality is that ANY device with hard switches that contains a computer and a mic or camera can be broken into and used as a spy device. Be it a TV, phone, monitor, laptop, car, Echo, refrigerator, toy, whatever. And often there is no easy way to really/truly turn "off" the device (and then, of course, you can't use any other function).

    Although it is relatively easy to disable cameras by sticking tape over them.... the same is not true for microphones. Of course, the manufacturers would scream about it, since it would add $0.25 to their $800+ devices and increase the mass by 0.0001%.

    And regarding microphones, it isn't just about what you might be saying- sophisticated software can be used to detect all kinds of things like when you are present, where you might be, who you are with, what you are doing, even what you might be typing.

    1. Re:Hard switches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You people just aren't getting it. If you're not doing anything suspicious, you have nothing to worry about. Let our government do its job. They're professionals. Besides, if you're really serious about all this 'privacy' and 'freedom' stuff, you know the routine, put it on the ballot.

    2. Re:Hard switches by markdavis · · Score: 1

      >"The reality is that ANY device with hard switches that contains a computer.."

      That is a typo in which I meant to say "ANY device *WITHOUT* hard switches", but I am guessing most people knew what I meant.

    3. Re:Hard switches by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

      Your attitude is all too common. It's becoming not only acceptable but expected to be spied on. As it turns out I'm not a terrorist or a criminal of any sort and although some people would judge me for some of the things I've viewed online I really don't have much to hide.

      So why shouldn't I allow that information to be free? Wanna know what I bought from Amazon last week? It's actually none of your business.

      And trusting someone because they're a "professional" is just about the dumbest thing you can ever do.

    4. Re:Hard switches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you and other similarly drolling imbeciles don't understand that your ideas result in the oppression of people. One day, what you and I consider suspicious and what the government considers suspicious will not line up. When that time comes, they will use the pervasive surveillance technology to squash anything and everything that doesn't line up with the behavior they want (i.e. subservient citizens).

      Ballot measures won't fix this, they never have and never will. These fools won't stop until the public rises up and takes the country by force. This is the endgame of unfettered capitalism, and it will continue until people are ready to kill to protect themselves.

      These "professionals" are in the business of feeding companies more profits and keeping a comfortable, captive public. They are not your friend and do not serve you.

  16. EASY by rholtzjr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nothing a dollop of cyanoacrylate can not fix to disable the ability to microphone from picking up anything. If I wanted my TV to hear me, I will tell it with the remote or better yet, unplug when not in use. The latter seems more frequent these days as there is nothing really worth watching anymore.

    1. Re:EASY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But where is the microphone? Is it a stereo pair? Is there a secondary mic for noise canceling? Is the physical attenuation enough to ruin the signal to noise ratio enough for ruining speech detectability in the era of crazy fft based filtering? I've recovered some pretty insane stuff working in audio and would be surprised if some CA was enough to destroy the signal completely at speech levels at 10 feet. All that to say, it may be trickier than you think. I like your unplug it idea.

    2. Re:EASY by rholtzjr · · Score: 1

      Yea, the CA method does take a little more effort, but this has worked with annoying alarm type output devices of similar size, so I figured it should be enough to eliminate the input as well. You would have to know where the mics are and ensure that you get them all. You are correct, unplugging is the safer and easier. This is the reason I hate iPhone devices. You can not remove power source (with ease).

  17. requires physical access by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the malware can be deployed on a TV via a USB stick after configuring it on a Linux system.

    Well if the attacker has physical access then you are fucked no matter what kind of TV you have. This doesn't do anything that could not already be done with physical access.

    It would be much more worrying if it was a remote exploit.

    1. Re:requires physical access by tsqr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      On the other hand, you don't know who has physical access to your TV before you buy it, do you?

  18. The implant requires physical access ... by freax · · Score: 3, Insightful

    With physical access, they are in your living room. That means they could also just stick a tiny microphone at the back of the TV, or underneath your coach, or .. drill a hole in your walls, insert microphone, fix the hole with some material that doesn't block sound too much and repaint the fixed wall. Endless possibilities.

    I'm more concerned when the smartTV can be remotely turned into a listening device. Which, btw, wouldn't surprise if also that would be possible. Either way, my TV ain't online. Nexflix, if I ever want it, will go via another device to the TV.

    1. Re:The implant requires physical access ... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      I'm more concerned when the smartTV can be remotely turned into a listening device.

      Since this trove was taken it's been shown that most of these devices phone home over plain HTTP, they don't authenticate TLS, or they don't validate payload signatures (and usually more than one of these). And the software that uses those resources doesn't do any error checking.

      I'll gladly bet five bucks that simple interception, SSID spoofing, and in-line splicing are all being used for remote exploitation by now either with these or similar devices.

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    2. Re:The implant requires physical access ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't need physical access. They just need access to an outside computer into which the TV user plugs his thumb drive.

    3. Re:The implant requires physical access ... by herbierobinson · · Score: 1

      This does sound more like an example of how unsupervised government bureaucracies waste money than a useful spy tool, doesn't it. :-)

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  19. EASY for the Russians to spy, too. by BoRegardless · · Score: 2

    Wikileaks may be defiled by the CIA, but their leaked document releases show what determined foreign governments have also probably done and maybe done before the CIA did it. So, it is likely the Russians hated the release of these documents as much as the CIA & NSA!

    The whole affair has given all who came to the Electronic Party a big wake up call.

    Do you want a gizmo in your kitchen or living room listening to everything that is said?

    Worse yet, do you want to have it recording and maybe issuing commands? What if your kid screams "I am going to kill you." and the SWAT team shows up?

    Then probably the worst case is a teenager saying something unprintable, and the child social services shows up with law enforcement.

    1. Re:EASY for the Russians to spy, too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GOOD point.

    2. Re:EASY for the Russians to spy, too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... a teenager saying something unprintable, and the child social services shows up with law enforcement.

      There's no profit in that: Until US corporations are responsible for the safety of their customers (HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa), or paid as FBI/DEA/DHS/BATFE informants, that will not happen.

      As other posters have mentioned, such technology means a lack of privacy in the home, and as your example demonstrates, that intrusion extends to children, some of whom will be protected by "think of the children" laws. The trade authority of every country should be banning this behaviour by device manufacturers.

  20. Impeding the West's intelligence efforts by mi · · Score: 1

    Whoever leaked this is a traitor. It is no different from informing Kriegsmarine, their Enigma codes have been broken.

    Yes, the "Weeping Angel" could be used against civilians. But the same was true about Alan Turing's crypto-breaking machinery and their listening for any and all radio-traffic as well.

    Like any other weapon or tool It could be abused, but publicizing it defeats its effectiveness against the intended — and perfectly legitimate — targets and is thus bona fide treasonous.

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    1. Re:Impeding the West's intelligence efforts by freax · · Score: 1

      Oh comon. As if the the fact that intelligence agency could possibly use a preinstalled microphone of an electronic device, is in any way non-obvious or as if it's problematic that the 'intended' knows about this.

      Truth is that all terrorists so far used unencrypted normal SMS services and burner phones, or the unencrypted chat services of various Playstation games. What, you want to make it a secret that intelligence agencies can see the chatlogs of Playstation games, too?

      Mister obvious is obvious. A microphone in a smartTV can obviously be turned against the owner of the smartTV. Nothing special or secret about that. The news here is just the fact that with this it got confirmed that intel-agencies are doing this actively. Not that they can. They can from day one, even from before TV-sets came with microphones.

    2. Re:Impeding the West's intelligence efforts by mi · · Score: 1

      As if the the fact that intelligence agency could possibly use a preinstalled microphone of an electronic device, is in any way non-obvious or as if it's problematic that the 'intended' knows about this.

      If it really were as trivial as you imply:

      • the spooks would not have used it,
      • the leaker would not have leaked the details of it,
      • Wikileaks would not have found it publication-worthy,
      • Slashdot-editors would not have put it on the front page,
      • Slashdot-users would not have gone to discuss it as much.

      Since all of the above did happen, it is not as trivial as you imply. More than likely, some of our enemies have been eavesdropped upon with this tool. And, just as likely, most of them will now make it impossible — endangering lives on our side. Our efforts to thwart them have been impeded and the millions spent on this efforts — wasted. Thanks to the traitor.

      Truth is that all terrorists so far used unencrypted normal SMS services and burner phones, or the unencrypted chat services of various Playstation games.

      Those are means of communications. When communicating a person may wonder, who else is listening. TVs are used primarily for entertainment — it does not occur to most people, an adversary can spy on them in their living room.

      This leaker can only be defended by people, who view NSA (and Britain's equivalent) as the adversary. Presumably, you aren't one of them, are you?

      What, you want to make it a secret that intelligence agencies can see the chatlogs of Playstation games, too?

      If a dumber among the enemy is still unaware of it, yes, I'd like to keep them ignorant. Even if only 5% of the enemies have a Samsung TV today, I would've liked them to keep on using it — so that my employees at the NSA can be privy to their conversations.

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      In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
    3. Re:Impeding the West's intelligence efforts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      really? you see no difference between ww2 nazis and americans? or are you saying the government assholes don't spy on innocent americans? either way, you are quite the retard.

      yes retard - revealing a tool defeats its effectiveness against legitimate targets. that's a side effect of making illegitimate targets aware their right are violated. the ones who committed treason are the governnment. it's called tyranny.

      the government agencies have been proven to violate my rights, and to lie to congress. at this point, the only thing that will make me not think they will use all tools they have to violate my rights is people in prison, new people in their place, and complete oversight by civilian organizations.

      and by the way - I'm not a nazi, and the traitor is you. and quite the retard.

    4. Re:Impeding the West's intelligence efforts by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Considering your signature, I really hope you are being sarcastic. There is reasonable evidence that the Obama Administration used the intelligence apparatus of the U.S. to spy on his political opponents (in particular those who opposed the Iran Nuclear deal, an example where there is no support for the idea that those being spied on domestically were involved in anything which gave the government legal authority to spy on them). It is certainly possible, maybe even likely, that previous Administrations had done the same thing, but they were subtle enough in the way that they used what they learned that way that it is possible they were not doing so.

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    5. Re:Impeding the West's intelligence efforts by mi · · Score: 1

      There is reasonable evidence that the Obama Administration used the intelligence apparatus of the U.S. to spy on his political opponents

      Yes, that's entirely possible. And yet, the technology has plenty of legitimate uses and should not have been sabotaged.

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      In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
    6. Re:Impeding the West's intelligence efforts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Traitor to the government perhaps, but not a traitor to the people.

      There shouldn't be a difference, but ever since the government started "thinking" of the people as the enemy we have this distinction.

    7. Re:Impeding the West's intelligence efforts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is this thing called the Constitution.

      Utterly false. Security goons always unplug everything before a sweep, and look at glass and mirrors carefully, then repeat with all on including lightbulbs, whose RFI may really be frequency hopping ..This just makes the paranoid MORE paranoid. Not many twigged when Lady Di's SMS's were leaked- years ago. We expect it. Being able to remotely take over an electronic car is not ..

      BTW the Germans broke most of the British codes. Wikileaks offered pre vetting, but some fathead decided no deal. Therefore those at the top approved the risk of random leaks better, than helping out. More stale non-news that will go in one ear and out another.

      Street opinion is that all this electronic peeping tom nonsense fails to catch the bad-guys before the act (France) and of slight use after the body count. So far tax cheats, drug dealers and illegal immigrants have nothing to fear.

    8. Re:Impeding the West's intelligence efforts by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Except that the technology was not sabotaged. It was merely revealed that it existed. The thing is: it is no longer a matter of this technology could be misused. We now know that this technology will be misused.

      In fact, the evidence suggests that our government(s) will use this technology to suppress legitimate opposition and not to protect its citizens from malefactors.

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      The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
    9. Re:Impeding the West's intelligence efforts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if we pretend you have a point about treason, what reason does anyone have to be faithful and subservient to their country? This is an attempt at social control, and technologically savvy people generally don't give a fuck about the imaginary borders and laws present in society. The digital world is *our* turf, and we'll always find a way to outsmart the suits.

      I will never serve any country for any reason. Their entire purpose is to control their constituents and make money for corporations. The world would be a better place without them.

  21. Fun with Spyware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for some fun, desolder the mic, and solder a line-in connector. Connect that to a raspberry pi playing random clips, or even some good text-to-speech programs, saying a few key phrases:

    "I hope my Samsung TV doesn't explode, like my Samsung phone exploded".

    "I hope my Samsung TV doesn't self destruct, like my Samsung washing machine did".

    "I hope Samsung has better quality in this iteration..."

    "I wish Samsung would increase their quality"

    "I wish Samsung would increase quality instead of spying"

    "Why does Samsung choose spying over quality?"

  22. Not News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is hardly news, it was mentioned by the mainstream TV media a couple of months ago. Whenever I hear the buzzword "smart" in association with consumer electronics, I just automatically assume the advertised device was designed from the ground up to spy on the consumer.

  23. Microphone TV? by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

    I can't understand why they just don't disconnect the camera or mic when they are not using it on a PC. The smart phones I understand - Its integrated - shove it in a box when you are not using it, or put a radio, or run the built in radio with the phone in the box. The TV can stay a TV.. I don't need Web service on my TV. If you want to talk to someone, use your PC. Unplug any other thing when you are not using it. Buy simple things that only do the task they were assigned.

  24. QWERTY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    Geico.

  25. Knowledge of capabilities is "sabotage"? Really?? by KWTm · · Score: 1

    Yes, that's entirely possible. And yet, the technology has plenty of legitimate uses and should not have been sabotaged.

    Knowledge of the capabilities of a large-scale deployment technology that affects such a large proportion of the populace can hardly be construed as sabotage, especially when there is such potential for abuse.

    As an analogy, it would be one thing to leak the specific movements of a police investigative team. ("Psst! There's a bunch of cop cars headed toward your warehouse where you keep the stolen cars.") But it would be perfectly legitimate to give the capabilities of the police. ("Psst! There are over 100 police officers in this city who are going to keep an eye out for stolen cars.")

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  26. Best Buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On the other hand, you don't know who has physical access to your TV before you buy it, do you?

    Especially at Best Buy, where we already know the goon squad works for the FBI..

  27. Screwed, as long as you use the internet.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Regardless of the device!

  28. Wasn't this demo'd at a conference years ago? by sabbede · · Score: 1

    I remember hearing about how this was possible way back when they first started putting microphones and cameras on TV's. Is it a surprise the CIA was paying attention?