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Most Millennials Have an Unrealistic View of Their Retirement Prospects, Analysts Say (hsbc.com)

From a blog post on research firm HSBC: HSBC calls for millennials to wake up to living and working longer, as research finds only 1 in 10 expects to work past 65. Most millennials have an unrealistic view of their retirement prospects according to a new report from HSBC. The latest report in The Future of Retirement series, Shifting sands, finds that on average millennials expect to retire younger than other working age generations. Millennials expect to retire at 59, two years younger than the working age average of 61. The survey of over 18,000 people in 16 countries finds that only 10 percent of millennials expect to continue working after 65 -- even as their generation faces unprecedented financial pressures and state retirement ages continue to rise around the world. This is despite 59 percent of millennials agreeing they will live much longer and will need to support themselves for longer than previous generations.

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  1. Opposite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was thinking that I won't be able to retire the way things are.

    1. Re:Opposite by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Exactly.

      I'm a gen X'er and I *know* I won't have a pension. Even if I retire, the government or the pension providers will default on me - either through inflation, or just because the damn pension providers will flatly announce they just don't have anything left in their coffers. I know this because they've already done it to my dad, who was born in the silent generation. So it's nothing new, but it sure won't get no better.

      So, I'm not putting any money in a system that'll shaft me and I'm not saving anything for old age - most likely I'll be working until I die anyway.

      What I do instead is, I enjoy as much free time now while I'm still young: I found me one of the last "old-style" jobs still available that lets me work 36 hrs/week with unreasonably great pay, in a heavily unionized old company that does business in a market that doesn't know the word recession.

      In other words, I've maximized my salary/work ratio and I do as little work as possible to enjoy life the the fullest while I'm still in a condition to enjoy it. Time enough when I'm old and decrepit to kill myself at work for a living.

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  2. Unrealistic for you, maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    They don't expect to live past 65, given the state of healthcare in this country.

    1. Re:Unrealistic for you, maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The US Govt (at least on the Federal level) is mandated by the US Constitution to provide for defense...that is one of its few enumerated responsibilities and powers.

      I don't really think it is anywhere in the constitution for the government (at least on the federal level) to provide healthcare for the citizens, at least not without a constitutional amendment.

      I find it interesting you say that. Comments about providing for/promoting the "general Welfare" literally appears in the same sentence as "provide for the common defence" in the taxing and spending clause, and in the preamble of the Constitution.

    2. Re:Unrealistic for you, maybe by Altus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If "provide for the common defense" can be used to justify spending as much on the military as the next 10 countries combined then perhaps "promote the general Welfare" might be considered to include keeping the citizens of the country healthy.

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      "In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women..." -H. Simpson

    3. Re:Unrealistic for you, maybe by XXongo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're all hot to point out that the Constitution requires the government to provide for the common defense. But you seem to want to gloss right over the promote the general welfare part. Why is that, do you suppose?

      See my other post in this thread about the General Welfare clause. You have to take that as it was meant when written...it means more of the welfare of the UNION of the states, and the ability of the Feds to lay taxation for that purpose.

      No, it doesn't.

      Where the hell do you get these bullshit interpretations?

      The meaning of the "welfare" in 1787 meant health and prosperity. Of the people. You know, that "we the people" thing? People.

    4. Re:Unrealistic for you, maybe by dywolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, that provide for general welfare, has to be taken in the meaning of the day, not as "welfare" as we think of it today. Basically general welfare as used in the constitution was defined as the overall state of wellbeing of the nation as a whole.

      Then so does "provide for the defense", which "in the meaning of the day" most certainly DID NOT mean the permanent standing military of the size and scope that we have today.

      Basically your argument is shit.

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      The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
  3. I don't think they actually talked to any of them. by bistromath007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Millenials don't expect to work past 65 because they'd be surprised if they make it past 50 without committing suicide.

  4. Who did they talk to? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have never met someone below the age of 30 that thought they had a chance of retiring at all. The majority expects Social Security to be gone, they have never seen a job with a pension, and they just lived the prime of their lives through the economic recession shattering both 401k investments and realestate.

    Millenials are keenly aware of how screwed they are.

  5. So they're only very slightly optomistic? by rhazz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Millennials expect to retire at 59, two years younger than the working age average of 61

    So they're only slightly more optimistic than actual stats would play out? I bet that's par for the course for any generation when they were still 20 years out from retirement.

  6. And HSBC is a honest broker here by voislav98 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The "research" comes from the bank that would like you to be more "responsible" with your money, like giving it to them. This is a bank that has paid billions of dollars in fines over the last five years for money laundering and interest rate rigging. The key statement form the report: "Despite the apparent ‘reality gap’ in Millennials’ retirement expectations, most (68%) have started saving for retirement, at an average age of 26. Millennials are also more likely than other generations to take investment risks to boost their retirement saving..."

    So it's not that the millennials are unrealistic, they are saving a plenty, it's that the Fed and other national banks are keeping the interest rates artificially low to boost asset prices and prop up failing mega-banks including HSBC. So please HSBC, tell me more about how I need to "save" more for the retirement so that the government can bail you and your ilk out again when you blow up the economy with asset bubbles.

  7. Re:Save 30%, retire early by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, it's hardly that simple. While you espouse a perfectly reasonable plan, there are lots of things that can get in your way. That job that concentrates on happiness (whatever that is) just laid you off. You run through your savings in 9 months looking for another job. Then your wife comes down with breast cancer.

    I see this stuff all of the time. It's not just American Hedonism that is going to screw the Millenials - it's hedonism, no safety net and an economy run by those nice people that brought you 2008. If you're of the Buddhist persuasion then you can sigh, work some more on your karma and hope next time you get reincarnated as a housefly. The rest of us just get depressed.

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  8. Re:Save 30%, retire early by jeff4747 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You forgot to include a few steps:

    -Be lucky enough to never face a serious health issue.
    -Be lucky enough to never be unemployed for an extended period of time due to forces beyond your control.
    -Have zero family or friends that failed the previous two steps. Or even better, zero family or friends.

  9. Re:The view fails to account getting &*#@ed by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a boomer, when i went to college, it was $180 a semester. Even adjusted for inflation that's a fraction of the cost today.

    Tuitions went up enormously when the law was changed to allow loans not forgiven by bankruptcy.

    Boomers are running about 10 years behind my age for every major landmark.

    That being said- save hard, don't pamper yourself with eating out and starbucks and you can still retire years earlier.

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    She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
  10. Re:The view fails to account getting &*#@ed by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And the lack of bankruptcy means the banks would loan unreasonable amounts of money to 18 year olds who had no clue how much pain they were signing up for.

    If the bankruptcy was removed, loans would drop, and so would tuition.

    Grants are a factor but they were tiny amounts of money compared to student loans.

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    She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.