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Trump Has Grand Plan For Mission To Mars But Nasa Advises: Cool Your Jets (theguardian.com)

Donald Trump would like to see Americans walk on Mars during his presidency. Nasa would love to get there that quickly, too. The reality of space travel is slightly more complicated, however. From a report: On Monday, during a call with astronaut Peggy Whitson, who was aboard the International Space Station, Trump pressed her for a timeline on a crewed mission to Mars, one of Nasa's longest standing and most daunting goals. "Tell me, Mars," he asked her from the Oval Office, "what do you see a timing for actually sending humans to Mars? Is there a schedule and when would you see that happening?" Whitson answered by pointing out that Trump, by signing a Nasa funding bill last month, had already approved a timeline for a mission in the 2030s. She added that Nasa was building a new heavy-launch rocket, which would need testing. "Unfortunately space flight takes a lot of time and money," she said. "But it is so worthwhile doing." Trump replied: "Well, we want to try and do it during my first term or, at worst, during my second term, so we'll have to speed that up a little bit, OK?" It was not clear whether the president meant the remark as a quip or something more serious.

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  1. My advice by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 5, Funny

    Even if there is no suitable launch window in a decade, put him in the rocket and let him test it anyway. It could make America great again!

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  2. Second term? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That Trump will finish a first term much less get reelected to a second term is as unlikely as NASA to send astronauts to Mars in the next eight years.

    1. Re:Second term? by amiga3D · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's almost as unlikely as him ever getting elected President.

    2. Re:Second term? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 5, Funny

      You underestimate the stupidity of humanity. Have you ever met people?

      I work in IT support. Are people as bad as users?

  3. Re:We went to the moon in under 8 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He's not interested in space travel, he's interested in himself.

  4. Ego vs Science by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have a suspicion this is Ego vs Science.

    He wants to cut all sorts of science and research budgets, so he's obviously not in favor of public money being spend on science. In Trump's eyes science is a private enterprise thing, not a government thing.

    So why does he want to go to Mars, and specifically why does he want to go during his presidency?

    The answer is Ego.

    He wants to be known as the President who got man to another planet. He wants the capital city on some long-in-the-future Mars to be called Trump Town.

    He doesn't want to go to look for signs of life, he doesn't want to go to advance science, he doesn't want to go to see if there is any long-term investment strategy.

    He wants to go for the ego-boost.

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    1. Re:Ego vs Science by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 5, Interesting

      For the record: I am very pro humans going to Mars. I realize the hurdles, I realize the dangers. I realize we can't economically achieve it right now. I believe in the Buzz Aldrin model of an initially one way trip, I'm aware there is a high risk of life in the early days, (so should any applicant to go).

      With all that said, if it takes Trump's ego to get us to Mars, I am all for that. He might actually be one of the very few men at the top willing to risk the political backlash of failure.

      Even if we're going for the wrong reasons, I would be glad if we took the steps.

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  5. Who knew? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Interplanetary travel is more complicated than I thought it would be."

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  6. Re:Mars by Sperbels · · Score: 5, Funny

    Argument overheard several tens of thousands of years ago:

    Enough with this migrating to Asia thing. We cannot live in Asia. Ever. The difference in temperature will guarantee that. You can't fix biology and evolution. And don't say "take the skins off animals" or "build fires". Give us all a break.

  7. Of course he's serious by ilsaloving · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I just don't understand this. Every single time he says something idiotic, there are always people who try to claim that he isn't serious. "Oh, he's not serious about the wall" "Oh, he's not serious about his vendetta against immigrants." And then he will do, or at least try to do, exactly what he said. Anyone who, at this point, honestly believes that he doesn't mean what he says, is either stupid, deluded, or both.

    So yes, I think he's entirely serious that he wants to have people walking on Mars within his term. The only question is, what will he do when he finds out that it's impossible? Will he throw craptons of money at NASA, thinking that he just throw money at the problem? Will he just get pissed off and "fire" NASA?

    The man is so completely divorced from reality that there's really no way to anticipate what he will do.

    1. Re:Of course he's serious by Baron_Yam · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mars is one of the few problems that 'throwing money at it' would actually solve.

      It would just take a LOT of it. Ridiculous amounts.

      But, in principle, we could launch fleets of rockets at Mars with life support and other modules until we have enough to keep a crew alive for a while. And while we're doing that, we could be paying Musk to develop his tail-landing tech on a faster timeline, even throwing test rockets at Mars.

      And then, in a few years, we could throw a bunch of astronaut-carrying rockets at the red planet and hope to have a high percentage of successful landings.

      You have to ask yourself if accelerating the timeline is worth the cost, and if in doing so you'd actually achieve anything useful that couldn't be done better and for less money with a bit more patience - and I think the answer is 'no'.

    2. Re:Of course he's serious by gtall · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "The man is so completely divorced from reality that there's really no way to anticipate what he will do." One constant is that everything he does is about himself. Another constant is that he destroys everything he touches. He loves "strong leaders", i.e., moral degenerates that will step on anyone...errr...like him. The only exceptions are the ones where he thinks he can aggrandize perception of himself by going against a "strong leader" as in Lil'Kimmy and Assad.

      Another thing to realize is that he's lost control of his administration, although that is putting it euphemistically. The Defense Dept. is doing things he doesn't understand. His own EPA administrator was exhorting the coal wackos to lobby Trump against the climate accords, as though EPA wasn't really part of the Cabinet. The Cabinet has gone off on their own, even his ghost minders have been sidelined. Treasury's minder got shunted off to a basement office. The rest are being "reassigned" by the Cabinet secretaries. How could they do that if that asshole was in charge? Even his "tax plan" was joke. It was written on a single piece of paper because his attention span won't allow him to comprehend any more. The people writing it know it is crap, but they also know giving him a sheet of talking points makes him feel like he's the President.

      He's in charge of nothing except screwing things up.

  8. God Help Us by TFlan91 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "or, at worst, during my second term" ... Please... No...

  9. Coal powered by sremick · · Score: 5, Funny

    And the rockets will coal powered. Beautiful, clean coal. That's the secret to making America great again.

  10. Re:We went to the moon in under 8 years by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Trump replied: "Well, we want to try and do it during my first term or, at worst, during my second term, so we'll have to speed that up a little bit, OK?"

    It's not that he's evil (at least in this context), it's that he's making everything about himself.

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