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Microsoft Unveils Windows 10 S, an Education Edition Limited To Windows Store Apps (venturebeat.com)
On Tuesday, Microsoft announced a new edition of its latest operating system: Windows 10 S. Available on first-party and third-party hardware -- Microsoft will be releasing its own Windows 10 S device and will also let manufacturers sell their own -- Windows 10 S is a streamlined edition of Windows 10 aimed at the education market. From a report: "We really are working hard to deliver the best platform for education, for students of all ages and school districts of all devices," said Joe Belfiore, corporate vice president in Microsoft's operating systems group, about the new Windows 10 S release. The main way that Windows 10 S differs from the other editions is that it can only run apps from the Windows Store. That includes Universal Windows Platform (UWP) apps and Win32 apps that Microsoft has approved into its app store. The goal is to avoid the problems of traditional Win32 apps that often run in the background and push their own updates. Microsoft wants to stop apps from hooking into the boot and sign-in process to handle all their own updates, which in turn slows down startup time. Windows Store can take care of this today, but Windows 10 S makes it the only way to install and update apps. As a result, Microsoft hopes Windows 10 S will be able to offer faster sign-in times and better battery life. This is still a full version of Windows 10. It's just locked down to only work with apps that Microsoft has approved, similar to how Apple and Google lock down iOS and Android to their respective app stores. The operating system follows the company's Intune for Education announcement back in January. Those systems created by third-party hardware partners like Acer, Asus, HP, Dell and Toshiba, start at $189.
I'm sure someone with decision making power will buy this and force implementation on some unfortunate soul.
Why have the opportunity to get applications from multiple sources when you can restrict everyone to only purchasing from Microsoft! Who cares if they have made available the actual programs we would like to use, when there are others with half as much functionality (and the added benefit of Microsoft getting a cut of the sales from) they can force you to use?
Why aren't we dumping large amounts of money into ReactOS and WINE? It seems like it's high time to put together a real alternative to a Windows that can still run a Windows software.
Mark my words, this version of W10 has nothing to do with the education markets. Microsoft is just using them as a lab rat to get people used to the notion of having everything locked down to their app store. Soon enough, Secure Boot will become mandatory, and you'll find yourself having to jailbreak a fucking PC just to make it useful again.
Walled-garden Edition. Also rhymes with ME, another colossal MS failure.
If this gets adopted, expect it to become the norm at some point in the future for all editions. Once software devs adapt their distribution to not lock themselves out of the edu market, it will be very easy to throw the switch and wall off the rest of the OS.
Humph. I hope there is a "install app from unknown sources" checkbox as Android have.
Microsoft can't help but see how profitable it is for Google and Apple to have walled gardens, whereby each gets a huge cut of the profit for each app on their respective stores. It's only natural that Microsoft wants in on that as well, and since its phone market is nonexistent, it has to turn to PCs.
They want to "educate" you to believe that Windows Store apps are all that there is.
For those who might have already learned otherwise, Microsoft will eventually offer special summer camps for a more "intensive education" to allow students "relearn" what they've learned incorrectly. These will be called Windows Reeducation Camps.
Every Ubuntu user knows that SE is the Satanic Edition.
Nae king! Nae laird! Nae yurrupiean pressedent! We willna be fooled again!
education market some times in house apps / customized software just for that school district.
Also what about java / flash / other plug in / activex web sites that may be needed?
I'm sure it will be very educational for anyone who buys it just not in the way that M$ want it to be
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MS is trying to copy Apples walled garden approach... and it's a BAD idea.
I got news for you, assholes... NOBODY buys windows to get locked into using only certain apps... they buy it to have a more CHOICES...
There's a reason Apple has lost market share in schools in recent years, and it's not just the cost of hardware.
Can that sandbox work with system wide app data and not sandboxes user only data?
In the past not all systems in the edu market had per student logins.
games in the windows store will need full modding and be able to have more then 1 exe say a game exe and an map edit exe.
In game mod workshop systems / manual mod installing. civ 6 has workshop and manual install with an in game mod manager.
I guess English speakers know what the 'S' stands for :)
They really want to try Windows RT again. Good luck. I get that outside applications using updater services is annoying, but that's nothing but a scapegoat here. It's pretty obvious to everyone that MS eventually wants a cut of every application sold.
Also what about java / flash / other plug in / activex web sites that may be needed?
You're right! Just like little kids should be allowed to get a scraped knee from time to time while playing, they should also be get their computers infected from time to time.
It's a learning process.
I think Windows RT was actually a different version of Windows, the "mobile" version of Windows 8 - even if you could install other software on it, it wouldn't run. Windows S is supposedly a full version of Windows 10 where installs are locked to the Windows Store. I would bet it'll be broken soon enough, and people will be able to install from other sources (or "side load"). I guess if it's like a Chromebook version of Windows where you can actually get a laptop with decent enough specs (for a student) for under $200 it could make a lot of sense.
Stupid sexy Flanders.
I have a feeling we will be seeing a renaissance in portable executables, be it the PortableApps.com site, stuff like ThinApp, Evalaze being updated, or programs just being shipped in a single executable with instructions of throwing somewhere and running it. Will this be a good thing? It may make life easier to update programs.
So on a lark I went to the Microsoft store web site and tried to find a few applications I knew would be useful in education - R, yEd and QGIS.
I gave up. I couldn't even find a friggin' search box.
What the hell, Microsoft? Why are they making it hard to search their own online store?!?
...is to severely lock down what they can do!
As long as you don't buy new. Easily done.
I paid $175 2 years ago for a used HP Elitebook with great specs. Got my wife a used HP Stream 11 for $100 a year ago, which is probably not too different from the specs of one of these Windows S boxes, except that it isn't locked down.
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Yet another brick on the road to absolute tyranny.
Another vendor wants to control everything.. in pursuit keep churning out nonsensical justifications... oh...it's more secure... uh huh.. can't even prevent their own software from being unintentionally compromised when they fully control source code and all aspects of development...I'm sure they have the power to properly vet all the shitware CAUSED by race to the bottom app store environments... jails and hypervisors keep users safe not preventing unblessed execution... oh and the ever priceless when everyone implements the same shit we do THEY suck at it... Particularly rich argument given how resource intensive windows update is. If they wanted to they could create a useful vendor independent interface for managing updates the same way software installation interfaces are standardized and widely used because they provide a useful path of least resistance and value to users and vendors alike.
No this is nothing more than a selfish power grab. Many are clamoring to bring about a "future" in which unclean hands are forbidden from owning general purpose computers where all software is locked down for approval by state/megacorp. Centralized control, centralized extraction of value from the market, monopolistic dominance and pervasive monitoring. As we have seen demonstrated with iPhone's denying rights/censorship using technical measures divorced from anything resembling representative governance.
A more likely outcome is sufficient number of people abandon Windows forever allocating more resources for development of alternatives hastening a future in which MS is no longer relevant. I fully expect Microsoft will "die trying" to turn Windows into the next Apple iPhone.
MS management couldn't even understand desktop users didn't want crummy watered down interfaces.. or locked down windows that couldn't run their software (RT) when they started down their path to madness starting with Windows 8 "metro" shell... Now after fully embracing the same business practices as malware vendors they have become incapable of performing the basic function of provisioning more value to their customers. Inevitably someone else will fill the vacuum.
Obviously this is the Windows 10 Sucks edition. Now, I know you're thinking that it should be Windows 10 SM (Sucks More), but Microsoft actually thinks that Windows 10 is a good product. They argue, but it starts up fast! Even if they constantly break drivers, supported hardware doesn't work at all and they constantly spy on you.
Microsoft, Apple, Google, Amazon what's the difference? All steal money from devs and control with walled gardens.
Microsoft Paranoia still reigns, and with some good reason, but I think the walled garden approach here is mainly about Chromebooks. Schools are buying Chromebooks because they are simple to maintain, and MS is producing a locked down windows product to compete. Whether this indicates long term plans of MS to try and implement on all of Windows, feel free to speculate away. I think a hybrid approach is more likely. They want a cut of the walled garden, but they still have to accommodate a large portion of their customers.
Too young and dumb to know any better. Plus, in a scholastic setting, where they're limited to start with -- bonus points! The word I want to use here is 'indoctrination'. Just Say No, everyone; think of the children!
The goal is to avoid the problems of traditional Win32 apps that often run in the background and push their own updates. Microsoft wants to stop apps from hooking into the boot and sign-in process to handle all their own updates, which in turn slows down startup time.
In defense of Microsoft's decision I think this is a good idea (partially).
As a system's administrator I do what I can to shut-down scheduled jobs and launch on startup from apps that don't need it. I especially try to prevent apps that annoy the user by begging for updates from having their beg service run. Everything Adobe has touched in the past 20+ years, Java, even browsers do this. I use a Kace K1000 system to push updates to users, and I handle updates to those apps. I don't need users calling me for updates within an hour of Adobe releasing a new point revision on Acrobat reader. I'll have it pushed to the users within a couple of days depending on my work load.
That's what I do at work. I'm a Linux user at home. I've been saying for years using the Apt Package manager is easier than maintaining software on Windows. It's also easier than keeping up with software on a Mac. I've got both stand-alone software and software manager software both at work and at home - gamers - tell me Steam isn't 100x's better than the old fashioned keep up with the boxes, the disks and every single patch from a different website as well as the drivers in the days of yore.
I realize Microsoft is evil.
Apple I can chose between the store or manual installs - though it does progressively harass you more about unsigned stuff with each OS release.
Linux - I can use an apt repository like I do for nearly everything, or I can download/install it separately like I do for Calibre and MakeMKV.
For students the lock-down thing may not be a bad idea. For corporations on the full-blown MS bandwagon it may not be a bad idea. That being said I've never worked for any company that didn't have one piece of poorly written software that doesn't comply to normal or modern conventions the whole place nearly runs on. That shitty software is going to have to run on something other than one of these - I see up uptick in Citrix use in the future...
I would jailbreak and replace the OS on this like I do nearly everything else for my own personal use, no surprise there, I haven't used Windows at home since 2000 was now. For handing out to users that don't have the good sense not to download stupid shit and cause problems for me, I could get behind something like this at a corporation.
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only to keep free software away from their garden... sincerely, my next machine will run only GNU/Linux
And they'll teach us it's great to be limited in options and to give up all the flexibility and freedom PCs traditionally provide. We will gladly learn whatever they teach, and praise them for their wisdom and courage in destroying the PC, the last menace to an ordered software world, supervised by Microsoft for our own good.
....just like Windows RT was? I believe someone opened that up if I'm not mistaken.
Windows RT was Windows 8 for ARMv7 processors. So opening it up was a bit useless since it wouldn't run regular Windows apps anyway.
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steam to is big to lock out and if you do nvidia / amd can cut windows off from the good video drivers and do most of there dev time on the Linux drivers.
but only 1 app store that has censorship that is not even if you can't have adult games then why is ok to have HBO / MAX in the app store?
So it's an education version, but it will be available everywhere? I don't get it. That's not an EDU version of software. It's just another consumer confusing version of Windows 10. Unaware consumers walking into their local big box store will end up machines with S on it unaware of it's restrictions.
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Has anything been said about PAE or are the rumors wrong? (I remember it mentioning 4GB of RAM but also a 32-bit version for only 32GB of storage for example.)
....just like Windows RT was?
Apparently not quite - it seems that it is a full version of Windows, unlike RT, just with a restriction to only run MS store apps. The article says it will be free for students and educators to upgrade it to Windows 10 Pro and $49 (I presume US) for everyone else. So there is not much motivation for someone to hack around the restriction since the vast majority of those it is aimed at can remove the restriction for free.
I suspect they are really aiming Windows 10S at an institute's machines which they want to be able to manage and control easily and not at personal devices where people want a lot more freedom.
Next major version: App Store Only. No upgrades.
You heard it here, first.
The full version of windows 10 is not limited to store apps. That is a huge limitation when their store has had little success with developers and users. This BS is not full windows 10 and that should be clear to everyone. The motivation is obviously to try to save their failing store by leaving users no alternative.
I call bullshit on "similar to how Apple and Google lock down iOS and Android to their respective app stores.". I have never seen an Android system where you could not sideload apps. I seem to recall it is a Google requirement that Android devices always support sideloading. Microsoft may be trying to join Apple with their control of the user purchases but I don't think you can lump Google in with them at this stage.
"Windows 9" can't exist because Microsoft of Microsoft's previous idiotic naming decisions. There's tons of existing software with string-based version detection that wouldn't be able to tell "Windows 9" apart from "Windows 95" or "Windows 98."
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
By 'regular' apps you mean x86.
Sure but someone "jailbroke" the restrictions and had certain FOSS applications compiled for ARM in no time. One might complain there's no software for Win32/ARM but it's a chicken and egg scenario.
With a lot of work from I.T. staff, as we battle bullshit like the way GoTo meeting likes to run in AppData with randomized directory names....
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It seems that MS got the idea in its head that the walled garden is the reason people use these things. I don't think it is, people use them despite it.
I paid $175 2 years ago for a used HP Elitebook with great specs.
Wow you're brave. The other day I played Russian roulette, but I'd never do something as risky as buying second hand HP gear. Hell my 5 month old Elitebook has been replaced twice now, and yesterday I narrowed down the connectivity issues I had in the office not to the WiFi hotspot, but to the 5G portion of the wifi on the laptop which just drops off every 3 min like clockwork.
Time to send it back again.
Hey .... want to buy a 5 month old Elitebook for $175?
Right. Windows RT on Surface was on ARM processor, so it did have issue running traditional x86 programs.
The community however did an amazing job in creating some compatibility layer (emu? apps?) to Windows RT in order to run some traditional programs.
Windows 10 S would probably be easier to do that as it already has to be compatible to some x86 apps in the store.
By 'regular' apps you mean x86.
How do you know I didn't mean x64 apps? Stop trying to tell people what they mean, you obviously understood. No one needs your help explaining what they mean.
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