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EU Leader Says English Is Losing Importance (politico.eu)

An anonymous reader writes: Jean-Claude Juncker, the European Commission president, opted to deliver a speech in French on Friday morning because he said "English is losing importance" in Europe. He gave the comments, which are unlikely to mend fences after a war of words between Brussels and London over Brexit negotiations, at the "State of the Union" conference in Florence's Palazzo Vecchio -- an annual event for European dignitaries. Juncker said he was opting for French because "slowly but surely English is losing importance in Europe and France has elections this Sunday and I want the French people to understand what I am saying about the importance of the EU." He spoke in English.

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  1. ... Says the Frenchman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Of course someone who speaks French thinks English is "losing importance." They've been asserting that for decades now, because they are delusional. Anybody who ever has needed to deal with software written in France by French companies knows just how arrogant they are about speaking and writing French and only French, even if it means inconveniencing literally everyone else around them.

    1. Re:... Says the Frenchman by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Was it written in a French-based programming language, or an English one?

      There's a Brazilian language called 'Lua' whose control structures are English words [if, while, etc]. Why reinventing the wheel? No reason to be chauvinist about it.

      You don't understand the Francophone world then. Be in Quebec or France, they actually write laws about making it illegal to use words that are from other languages.

      One day "Le Weekend" is understood and used by everyone, the next it has been outlawed and illegal to use in mass media. It's a very chauvinistic attitude.

      Compare the French to the Germans, who not only embrace all sorts of languages, it is considered educated to know and use words from other languages in their speech and adopt them into German.

      Which sounds the healthier attitude to you?

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    2. Re:... Says the Frenchman by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      OK, my mistake, but it makes the point completely stupid. English will still be the most widely spoken language after Brexit.

    3. Re: ... Says the Frenchman by Khyber · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I guess you failed English coprehension, as all of those links provide plenty of support for French-only stuff.

      BTW, I've been in Quebec. I've also done business with Quebec, years later. So I can personally say that yes, there are quite strict laws regarding when a foreign language is allowed to be used, otherwise you're FORCED to use French (or the bastardization of it that the Quebecois call 'French.')

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    4. Re: ... Says the Frenchman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That "bastardization" of French was standardized 300 years before the France French agreed on a common tongue. Do your homework racist dimwit.

  2. English "losing"? by davebarnes · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How many Chinese speak English compared with Français?
    How many Indians speak English compared with Français?
    How many Japanese speak English compared with Français?

    C’est un homme stupide

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  3. Brexit by Tailhook · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Each new day yields another affirmation of the wisdom of UK deplorables.

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  4. He's right? by kamapuaa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well to be fair, England leaving the EU does indeed make English less important in the EU.

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  5. Re:what a moron... by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 5, Insightful

    english is waning...you go right ahead and believe that

    This may be true one day. But my money would be on Chinese, not French, as the successor.

  6. Re:Pourquoi? by WrongMonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Chinese is tonal language with a pictogram writing system. It's never going to catch on a global language.

  7. Re:what a moron... by Orgasmatron · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Arabic, sadly.

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  8. No, not really by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For one, English is still the language of the United States who is still and exceedingly important trade and military partner with most of the world. That alone makes English pretty important. Likewise while the UK may be leaving the EU, they'll still be trading with the EU, nothing really changes there.

    However the real importance of English comes not from the nations where it is the primary language, but all the nations where it isn't. The reason is that while English is only the 3rd or 4th most spoken first language it is, by a mile, the most spoken second language in the world. When people from different nations get together to do business, English is generally the language they use. Chinese is not widely spoken in Japan and Japanese is sure as hell not popular in China, but English is a common second language in both and so usually used when companies from the two nations do business.

    In the EU it is even more important as there are a ton of primary languages. If you wanted to do business in the native language of all EU nations you'd need to speak Dutch, French, German (a couple variants thereof), Danish, Irish, Greek, Portuguese, Finnish, Swedish, Hungarian, Greek, Turkish, Czech, Estonian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Maltese, Polish, Slovak, Slovene, Bulgarian, Romanian, and Croatian. While you can find people with that kind of language skill, they are very rare and very sought after. Getting one for your firm is unlikely... However English is a popular second language in all those places, so you can do business in that. You can have people from Germany, Croatia, Greece, and Spain all at a table and English is a language they can probably all use whereas the likelihood that they all speak each other's native tongue is pretty low.

    English has become the language of common exchange, and nothing seems to be changing that. Should another language take over for that, French is not likely to be it, much though the French may wish it was.

  9. Re:what a moron... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But my money would be on Chinese, not French, as the successor.

    My money would be on anything but French as the successor. French has been withering for over a century.

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  10. Re:what a moron... by thegarbz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you have a speech on the importance of the EU and you want to direct it at a French population who are about to go to the polls, and the outcome of those polls could determine the future of the EU, what's more important? That you speak in English or in French?

    Context, it fucking matters.

    He is anything but a moron.

  11. Re:Junke speaks English by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you read the article, he spoke in English because he wanted the English to understand him, and it's not like the majority of the UK speak ANY second language.

    How do you expect to have an effective negotiating team when the people on the opposite side of the table can understand everything you say, but also have private conversations right in front of your face because you don't know any second language? Make fun of you with a straight face? Say that the only difference between you and a bucket of shit is the bucket? Debate strategy in private without leaving the room or whispering amongst themselves? Call you a dumb f*ck to your face?

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  12. Re:Another off-topic useless, #fakenews msmash pos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's literally everywhere, including The New York Times. Please tell us how you have better sense of news than those guys.