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Le Pen Concedes Defeat To Macron In France's Post-Hack Election (reuters.com)

"France has voted for continuity," candidate Marine Le Pen said in the wake of her defeat in France's presidential election, conceding that Emmanuel Macron had a decisive lead. Reuters has ongoing coverage of Le Pen's concession phone call and reactions from world leaders. "France Rejects Far Right," read a headline at CNN, touting their own live updates and early results showing Macron with a 65.9% to 34.1% lead, "on course for a decisive win." Macron is schedule to speak at the Louvre museum (where the grounds were "briefly evacuated" this morning after discovery of a suspicious bag.) Quartz is calling 39-year-old Macron "the second Generation X president of a major world power" (after Canada's Justin Trudeau).

The election was closely watched after a 9-gigabyte trove of emails from Macron's campaign were leaked online. CNBC reports that "One of the most talked about emails makes reference to binge-watching Dr. Who and masturbating to the sound of running water. It sounds generally incoherent. It could be false, or maybe the person wrote it after a few too many." The New Yorker traces the leak to a right-leaning Canadian site, whose editor says he found the documents on 4chan. But Reuters is crediting WikiLeaks with providing "the largest boost of attention" to the leaked documents, according to an analysis pubished by the Digital Forensic Research Lab of the Atlantic Council, a D.C.-based think tank on international affairs. WikiLeaks tweeted about the leak 15 times, bragging to Reuters that "we were hours ahead of all other major outlets." On Friday WikiLeaks also disputed the Macron campaign's claim that the leak mixed real documents with fake ones. "We have not yet discovered fakes in #MacronLeaks & we are very skeptical that the Macron campaign is faster than us."

Saturday WikiLeaks noted that several of the Office files "have Cyrillic meta data. Unclear if by design, incompetence, or Slavic employee." And Saturday afternoon they added "name of employee for Russian govt security contractor Evrika appears 9 times in metadata for 'xls_cendric.rar' leak archive."

Meanwhile, on the International Space Station, French astronaut Thomas Pesquet voted from space. Feel free to discuss the election's results in the comments.

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  1. Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For rejecting fascism.

    1. Re:Good on France by DaHat · · Score: 5, Informative

      Enjoy your weekly car fires and terrorist attacks.

      He did kind of signal that that was the future they can look forward to.

      This threat, this imponderable problem, is part of our daily lives for the years to come.

    2. Re:Good on France by Lisandro · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I guess you didn't visit Europe much?

    3. Re:Good on France by ArchieBunker · · Score: 3, Funny

      Isn't lighting cars on fire the national past time of France?

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    4. Re:Good on France by Lisandro · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As much as drive-by shootings are the national past time in the US.

      Wait, sorry. I said something really stupid.

    5. Re:Good on France by penandpaper · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Only in Chicago and other cities with the strongest of gun laws.

    6. Re:Good on France by fred6666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Europe has even stronger gun laws and almost no murders compared to the US.

    7. Re:Good on France by admin7087 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I'm pretty sure AC understands the difference. Front National is a fascist party, not 'democratic far-right' or if that category was even possible, or any other of these convenient euphemisms.

      Perhaps one day something will change. But for now Europe is on the road to cultural destruction.

      That's patently absurd and just by parroting and repeating these kinds of slogans they don't become any more convincing. Luckily the number of people like you is constantly declining, just look at how people vote across Europe and you'll see a constant trend towards the center left in generations The future belongs to those who care and whose descendants show up for it.

      Future generations grow up with the Internet, they know that the world is just one large community, and they travel and live all across Europe. They know way better than you. Populist and far-right voters are older, in their forties and above, and generally misinformed. They will fade away. The world was never better than now, Europe is the best place on earth to live right now, and it's going to become even better in the future.

    8. Re:Good on France by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Europe also has better access to healthcare (including mental healthcare), better social welfare, less class inequality, less gang activity, and generally ranks better on all the other things that lead to violent crime. I'm not sure how you can compare the two situations and blame the guns. Even between areas in the US, gun crime tends to happen more toward urban areas with lots of social problems, and not so much in the backwoods rural areas were everyone and their grandmother is carrying a gun.

    9. Re:Good on France by Lisandro · · Score: 2

      Europe is the best place on earth to live right now, and it's going to become even better in the future.

      Is your entire comment satire?

      I concur with his statement, as long as we're talking about Western Europe.

      I currently live in Europe and been considering moving to the US for work reasons. Just decided to extend my stay here for at least another year.

    10. Re:Good on France by Sassinak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And how is tucking tail, closing boarders, and turning allies into enemies going to make it any better.. all it means is you now fear outsiders AND your own citizens..

      Terrorism thrives best with disinformation, mistrust, and fear and all Le Pen was pushing for was basically playing into those fears. You may be SURVIVE that way.. but survival and thriving/growing are completely different things.

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    11. Re:Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Now explain Trump's victory.

      Easy: Hillary was corrupt, incompetent, dishonest, war-mongering, and a party-hack. Bozo the Clown would have been a better choice than Hillary.

      Macron doesn't strike me as the brightest bulb, but if the Democrats had put up anybody like him, they would likely have won in the US as well.

    12. Re:Good on France by Sique · · Score: 4, Informative
      Fun fact: This is utterly wrong. Or a lie. Or alternative facts.

      The 26th most popular boy's name in Germany 2016 was Alexander. Mohammed doesn't even make the top 50.

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    13. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      With what they had on the table as an alternative, it shouldn't really be surprising.

      Now explain Trump's victory.

      I think, first you have to explain to me how, in a nation of 200 million people, chance just happens to have arranged for the most qualified person to oppose Trump happens to be married to a former president. If you can explain that then please explain, why, outside a medieval dynasty, Mr Bush's son, Mr Bush actually becomes president. Finally, for an encore, explain how spending money is actually "speech" and so impossible for the government to regulate. Once we've finished those, then I will be able to restore my surprise that the US system fails to be fully democratic and we can start to look for explanations for Trump's victory somewhere beyond the simple "because the American systems fucked".

    14. Re:Good on France by haruchai · · Score: 5, Funny

      " Bozo the Clown would have been a better choice"
      That's exactly who got elected. How's he doing so far?

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    15. Re:Good on France by toonces33 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nearly every word you use to describe Hillary can be easily applied to Trump.

    16. Re:Good on France by penandpaper · · Score: 2

      Hindsight 20/20 aside, we'll find out when his term is over.

    17. Re:Good on France by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 2

      Hindsight 2020 is what CNN will call their coverage of the next Presidential election.

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    18. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Populist and far-right voters are older, in their forties and above, and generally misinformed.

      Actually, le Menchion and le Pen were the leading candidates among young voters in the first round. Those who have never known prosperity are not buying the bullshit anymore.

    19. Re:Good on France by quonset · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Easy: Hillary was corrupt, incompetent, dishonest, war-mongering, and a party-hack. Bozo the Clown would have been a better choice than Hillary.

      As opposed to Trump who is corrupt (hiring illegal workers and not paying them as well as colluding with a foreign government during the election), has repeatedly shown his incompetence (I thought it would be easier), has lied since day one (Hillary's not in jail, Obamneycare wasn't repealed on day one, Mexico isn't paying for the wall, the swamp is filled almost to capacity and he's gone golfing more times in three months than Obama went in an entire year), has gotten several service members killed already because of his penchant to use the military without thought, and a hack of the highest order as shown by the chaos of his administration where one hand literally does not know what the other is doing.

      So yeah, big difference between the two.

    20. Re:Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's exactly who got elected. How's he doing so far?

      Trump voters seem to still consider him the better choice. Personally, I have nothing to complain about.

    21. Re:Good on France by hey! · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It always bothers me how easy it is to oversimplify something like this.

      Nearly everyone would like to see some things change, and it's a certainty some of the people who voted for Macron would like to see a lot of things changed.

      LePen characterizing this as a vote for "continuity" is a self-serving lie. "Continuity" and "Change" were not on the ballot. The only thing you can conclude is that French voters rejected the particular changes LePen represents.

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    22. Re:Good on France by ClickOnThis · · Score: 4, Informative

      You are a partially literate idiot.
      Homicide rate vs total homicides.

      Europe has more homicides [than the USA].

      Nope. Whether you count homicide rate or total homicides, USA wins.

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    23. Re:Good on France by Solandri · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Europe also tends to be more ethnically homogeneous (per country). The U.S., for all its flaws, is a hodgepodge of people from all over the world. I've always suspected part of the high violence rate in the U.S. is due to latent racism and cultural biases present everywhere, but coming into conflict with each other much more in the U.S. than in other countries.

      The counterargument would be Canada, which is more diverse than the U.S., yet has less violence. But if you stare at that map and a homicide rate map long enough, I think you'll convince yourself that Canada is an outlier, and that in general higher ethnic diversity in a country is correlated with higher violence rates.

      We still have a long ways to go as a species.

    24. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Clearly our leaders were thinking of their own self-interest on that one.

    25. Re:Good on France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Europe also tends to be more ethnically homogeneous (per country). The U.S., for all its flaws, is a hodgepodge of people from all over the world. I've always suspected part of the high violence rate in the U.S. is due to latent racism and cultural biases present everywhere, but coming into conflict with each other much more in the U.S. than in other countries.

      The problem with that argument is simple: You haven't shown that inter-cultural exchanges are compromising a number of homicides.

      So basically, not only are you still slipping on causation, you haven't established correlation.

      The counterargument would be Canada, which is more diverse than the U.S., yet has less violence. But if you stare at that map and a homicide rate map long enough, I think you'll convince yourself that Canada is an outlier, and that in general higher ethnic diversity in a country is correlated with higher violence rates.

      Stare too long into the abyss, and you'll find it staring back, doesn't make it true or valid.

      The least you could do is check your own assumptions, but you didn't.

      We still have a long ways to go as a species.

      One would hope so, we haven't even gotten close to becoming a worm. Which was we all know, is the pinnacle of evolution.

    26. Re:Good on France by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      Maybe the car arsonists were on strike

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    27. Re: Good on France by bestweasel · · Score: 2

      What's wrong with that? When you compare Cuba with much of central and south America over the same period - all those US supported military juntas disappearing people by the thousand, plundering their country to enrich themselves - Cuba is a beacon of light, even encumbered as it was by its enforced dependence on the USSR.

    28. Re:Good on France by Serge_Tomiko · · Score: 2

      Honestly, Trump has accomplished *nothing*. He really is the most status quo of any president in a century at this stage. Trump voters and haters are both deluded here.

    29. Re:Good on France by haruchai · · Score: 2

      Hindsight 20/20 aside, we'll find out when his term is over.

      His transition team still has not filled or nominated replacements for a several hundred important positions, the Obama people held over are either quitting or being fired when they refuse to do what is being demanded of them and Jared is already way over his head.

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    30. Re:Good on France by chihowa · · Score: 2

      If we're going to look backward in time, are we allowed to look at Europe's (not at all) peaceful past, including starting two of the largest wars in human history? Non-homicidal Europeans are a relatively new phenomenon and time will only tell how long it lasts.

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    31. Re:Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 2

      "All that got you was that independents like myself got thoroughly pissed off and stayed home" Don't you live in California? You were planning to vote for Clinton? Before you answer yes to that 2nd question, refer to the following quote:

      No, I was never going to vote for Clinton: she proved that she was an evil b*tch when she ran against Obama (who I voted for), and proved her incompetence in the subsequent eight years. I would have considered voting for a moderate, competent Democrat, but since I didn't particularly like Trump, I just stayed home.

      In the aftermath of the election, two things happened. First, the sky didn't fall with Trump and the Republicans have pretty much accepted the status quo on social issues I care about. Second, instead of figuring out what they did wrong and moving back to the center, the Democratic party and its supporters have become even nuttier and nastier, meaning come next election, I may well vote Republican.

    32. Re: Good on France by ooloorie · · Score: 2

      Are you kidding? Castro was an evil, murderous dictator who condemned Cubans to a life of poverty and misery. And Castro allied with the USSR and other totalitarian and terrorist regimes by choice.

    33. Re:Good on France by Tranzistors · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not when you consider all of Europe. Russia has a murder rate about twice that of America.[...] When you look at the entire continent, Europe "wins".

      If you want to compare Europe vs. America, please include Central America and South America. That you make your comparison more valid.

    34. Re:Good on France by Barsteward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      because the gun carriers still think they are cowboys of a bygone era. virtually all the US cop dramas are rehashed cowboy scenarios where guns are always drawn

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    35. Re: Good on France by skam240 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But yet everything you quote there is correct. Castro did indeed create an amazing medical system for a third world nation and their education system isnt so bad. He was also a very skilled orator. I have zero love of communism and little love for Castro (I do admire his medical system) but Trudeau did not utter a single falsehood there.

      Maybe you should examine your own intellect if you're questing Trudeau on that point.

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    36. Re:Good on France by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2

      Just FYI, the Russian short form for Vladimir would be Vova or Volodya. The latter because due to a vocal shift in Slavic languages over a thousand years ago the correct Russian form of that name used to be "Volodimer", but Russian has a lot of loan words from Old Church Slavonic (which is essentially a dialect of Old Bulgarian) where the aforementioned vocal shift went a different way.

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    37. Re:Good on France by halivar · · Score: 2

      It's almost like other countries transliterate the Arabic word differently than you do. Curious. (FYI, even in English the spelling was "moslem" until quite recently, though many also just said "Mohammadian".)

  2. Bad day to be Putin by Lisandro · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Congratulations to the French people.

    1. Re:Bad day to be Putin by Tough+Love · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I for one am ready to believe everything bad of Putin, but I don't think this was him.

      Compare and contrast with last year's interference in the US election. Most importantly: why did the leaks happen only at the very last minute?

      I compared, I contrasted, and I saw exactly the same people at work, using exactly the same tactics. The release was at the last minute because that is when it is most effective, with the least time to counter it. They were incrementally improved the tactics that played out so effectively in the American election hijack.

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  3. Re:At least, Putin is no sexist by Sique · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In the U.S., he actually bet against the female candidate.

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  4. Re:Here's the REAL 'hack' w/ fake votes by Lisandro · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah, i'm pretty sure those account for the 65-35 lead Macron has right now.

  5. Glad to see a little sanity by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Though to be fair Macron was orders of magnitude better than Hillary. Maybe not as a public servant but at least at campaigning. Hopefullyâ post Trump the rest of the world will take the far right and the working class problems they play to seriously.

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    1. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Lisandro · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This had to be said: how Macron will perform as a president is a giant question mark. This is the first public office the guy will hold.

      What makes his win refreshing is that the alternative was Marine fucking Le Pen. In that sense this campaign was reminiscent to the Clinton-Trump election, i.e., a decision between a mediocre candidate and an unfathomable one. Guess the French were wiser this time around.

    2. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, if a Clinton and Trump supporters both don't like macron... that can only be good :P

    3. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Cochonou · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The main difference between the elections in France and the elections in the US, is that there was a choice between 11 candidates on the first turn, four of which have had a score above 19% .

    4. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Informative

      Even if what you say is true, what of it? The French voted in a way to express their desire to remain in the EU. It's that simple.

      You seem, some electorates are capable of looking beyond the political leader as an individual, and at the actual ideal itself, and a majority of French voters made it clear they had absolutely no desire to turn their country over to a far right nationalist who wanted to pull France out of the EU (even if, as it became clear she was losing, Le Pen tried to fabricate a European-friendly face).

      The National Front are a pack of anti-Semitic Neo-Nazis. In a way, it's irrelevant whether Macron has any of your supposedly required experience for leading (I mean, he was only a former banker and economic minister, so what does he know, eh?), the fact is that he represents moderation and pro-European sentiment.

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    5. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Solandri · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This. Instant runoff voting systems have mathematically been proven to yield better ("fairer") results in elections. The plurality wins system the U.S. uses (and especially the plurality by state + electoral college method) is one of the worst, and is what results in the system gravitating towards two parties who represent the extremes, rather than the mean.

    6. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Zumbs · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is the first public office the guy will hold.

      According to wikipedia, he was Minister of the Economy, Industry and Digital Affairs in France 26 August 2014 – 30 August 2016. I think that counts as a public office?

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    7. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by dcollins · · Score: 3, Insightful

      LOL "There's never been a problem with Jews".

      No, Europe has never had a problem with Jews. No one's ever accused them of being separatist, not sufficiently Christian, "doesn't integrate". No one's every been able to whip up a crowd into heinous hateful action against the Jews.

      This right-wing agitprop is just racism du jour. Discouragingly, apparently it will never end. A boot stomping a human face forever.

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    8. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      "The National Front are a pack of anti-Semitic Neo-Nazis"

      It will be difficult to convince Louis Aliot (Jewish grandfather https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Aliot) and David Rachline (Jewish Ukrainian grandparents https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rachline), both top-level leaders of the Front National.

    9. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      FYI, by far the largest numbers of Syrian refugees are in Islamic countries. The top three destinations are Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan. Germany is #4, then it's Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iraq, Kuwait, and Egypt.

      So to say "they're being routed to Europe" is kinda - well, not true.

    10. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by Kjella · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Jews have been the scapegoats for a whole lot of things, there's plenty of hate to go around. There's not much a black man can do to make friends with a Ku Klux Klan member. But when have they ever made special demands for their religious minority? When have they demanded the rest of society bend to their way of life? When have they ever acted with disdain towards the society they live in? When have they committed atrocities against people who believe differently or changed religion?

      They've been a despised pariah caste, but it's other people that have had a problem with the Jews, not the Jews that have had a problem with everybody else. In fact, they seem to be the world religion that cares the least about what non-Jews believe or do and make very little if any effort to convert others to Judaism. Try eating pork together with Jews and Muslims, it's neither kosher nor halal but I'll give you 100:1 odds that if anyone complains it's a Muslim. P.S. A lot of the arab world is still where Europe was before Hitler.

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    11. Re:Glad to see a little sanity by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2

      He is right about modern Judaism being a non-proselytizing religion, because - according to Judaism - as long as people follow the seven Noah laws, they are fine. Moreover, people who actually want to convert are actively discouraged to do so by the rabbis.

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  6. not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    French politics have long been sick, and the sluggish economy with little hope for young workers is a result.
    Sick how?
    In every election cycle where the French have a choice between change and stagnation, all the parties who pretend to be opponents in the lead-up band together and urge everybody to vote for which ever final candidate is desired by the rich globalist investors class. It never matters who the candidates are, the press and nearly all the parties band together to oppose change and oppose anybody opposed to globalism.
    The French people will now get several more years of stagnation terrorism, EU domination, burdens of EU bailouts for Greece, EU mandated open borders, etc and then they will get another chance at change.....which they will again stupidly reject because they are told to.

    1. Re:not surprising by Xest · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Did you ever stop to think that's because maybe, no matter how much you may wish to moan about everything, this is as good as it gets?

      I know, I know, you want to listen to the fascist who tells you she can solve all the worlds ills if we just blame it on those guys.

      Yeah, Europe tried that, didn't work well, turns out it was actually much worse than what everyone is sticking to instead. Rather than assume everyone is an ignorant drone and you're the only enlightened person on the planet, maybe you should consider that in fact there's a good reason that people vote for the status quo that's made them the 5th richest nation in the world despite having a fraction of the world's population and resources to achieve that success?

      Yes, I know, it's all terrible, everything's awful with the liberal West, it's terrible, sure, great, only it's just less terrible than all the alternatives. Even in the modern era you only have to look at Putin's Russia to see how awful the autocratic miserable hate filled blame gaming alternative is. I don't know about you but I'd much rather be at the bottom of the wealth ladder in somewhere like France, than at the bottom of the wealth ladder in Russia. That's why people rejected Le Pen, because no matter how bad things may appear to be in somewhere like France, no matter how much you may wish to whine about, no matter where on the wealth ladder you sit, you're still better off, and more free, than you would be under the alternative that was on offer.

  7. Re:Sad day for Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    So, the "sensible" thing to do would have been to put fucking neo-nazis in power ?

    Do you actually KNOW what the Front National is ? Where they come from ? What they advocate ?

    That's the problem with people who think that one form of extremism is an acceptable alternative to another form of extremism. They learn nothing from history. They're simply unintelligent, it's as simple as that. They're not evil, or hateful, or racist/sexist/whatever. They're just plain below average intelligence.

  8. Re: Here's the REAL 'hack' w/ fake votes by godrik · · Score: 2

    French citizen in North America voted on Saturday (local time). Our votes were counted yesterday.

  9. Wow by Ryanrule · · Score: 4, Funny

    Lots of angry russia bots posting here. I guess some are getting sent to siberia for their failure.

    1. Re:Wow by butzwonker · · Score: 2

      Slashdot has been 'cracked' by Russian trolls around the beginning of last year, but somehow they seem to have lost foothold recently. They mostly post as AC's nowadays. Maybe there were some changes to the moderation system behind the scenes to weed them out.

  10. Re:Sad day for Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Kebabs are pretty tasty. Lots of people like Kebabs. You would also if you tasted one, but its hard to taste food when your head is up your ass.

    You can whine all you want about SJWs or political correctness, but there is nothing sensible about fascism. There is nothing sensible about ISIS either. Not all muslims are extremists and not all extremists are muslim. Those are very simple truths that you choose to refute.

    One extremist begets another. And so on. At least the French are more aware of this than Americans.

    Egalité, fraternité, liberté. Vive la France!

  11. Sexism and Democrats by mi · · Score: 2
    Her opponents claimed — during their sole debate — the following, I quote:

    When we kicked -- along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said and Barack said, "Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don't know -- if you don't, Hezbollah will control it."

    Would you like me to spell out the 5 lunacies packed into that one phrase of his? Do you disagree, that, had Palin (or any Republican) said something remotely as idiotic as this, all newspapers and all TV-channels would've been dwelling on it for weeks and months? But, because Biden was a Democrat, you never even knews about this until now...

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  12. Re:Because open borders have worked so well for th by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    The President of Austria even suggested that the time is coming to force white women to wear headscarves to support Islam.

    I'm not sure citing a President of Austria in regards to protecting the white race is a good look in Europe. Last time, it didn't work out so well for them.

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  13. Re:Bye bye France by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Informative

    Muslims have been in France for over a century. Unsurprising as France invaded and colonized the lands in which they lived.

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  14. Re:Macron the sly french fox of all trades! by skam240 · · Score: 2

    You (quite innocently I'm sure) left out at least one option. Russia performed the hack and planted false emails in the release because they didnt have any good dirt and some one fucked up a little in making the fakes.

    As noted before, I'm sure it was a completely innocent mistake that you left out the biggest running theory right now as to what happened and the one the casts Russia in a poor light.

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  15. Well, Doctor Who is pretty cool. by hey! · · Score: 3, Funny

    Maybe there's something to that running water thing.

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  16. False by Nova+Express · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Panama Papers revealed extensive, documented financial ties between Putin and Clinton cronies:

    Almost lost among the many revelations is the fact that Russia’s biggest bank uses The Podesta Group as its lobbyist in Washington, D.C. Though hardly a household name, this firm is well known inside the Beltway, not least because its CEO is Tony Podesta, one of the best-connected Democratic machers in the country. He founded the firm in 1998 with his brother John, formerly chief of staff to President Bill Clinton, then counselor to President Barack Obama, Mr. Podesta is the very definition of a Democratic insider. Outsiders engage the Podestas and their well-connected lobbying firm to improve their image and get access to Democratic bigwigs.

    Which is exactly what Sberbank, Russia’s biggest financial institution, did this spring. As reported at the end of March, the Podesta Group registered with the U.S. Government as a lobbyist for Sberbank, as required by law, naming three Podesta Group staffers: Tony Podesta plus Stephen Rademaker and David Adams, the last two former assistant secretaries of state. It should be noted that Tony Podesta is a big-money bundler for the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign while his brother John is the chairman of that campaign, the chief architect of her plans to take the White House this November.

    Sberbank (Savings Bank in Russian) engaged the Podesta Group to help its public image—leading Moscow financial institutions not exactly being known for their propriety and wholesomeness—and specifically to help lift some of the pain of sanctions placed on Russia in the aftermath of the Kremlin’s aggression against Ukraine, which has caused real pain to the country’s hard-hit financial sector.

    It’s hardly surprising that Sberbank sought the help of Democratic insiders like the Podesta Group to aid them in this difficult hour, since they clearly understand how American politics work. The question is why the Podesta Group took Sberbank’s money. That financial institution isn’t exactly hiding in the shadows—it’s the biggest bank in Russia, and its reputation leaves a lot to be desired. Nobody acquainted with Russian finance was surprised that Sberbank wound up in the Panama Papers.

    And that is just one of the many documented financial ties between Podesta/Clinton and Putin's regime.

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  17. Macron email hack wan't the main intervention by ICantFindADecentNick · · Score: 2

    The french two round system has come to their aid here. The initial intervention was the destruction of the previous mainstream front runner, the republican, Fillon. The most likely outcome was then a run off between Le Pen and a very weak socialist, Hamon, which she'd have had a good chance of winning. They were too late in trying to get to Macron to cause the kind of destabilization that they want because he did too well in the first round. We'll never find out exactly who "they" are - but we should take note to build some checks into the political system to keep it robust against these kind of influences.

  18. Re:Because open borders have worked so well for th by Kiuas · · Score: 3, Informative

    You can deny it all you want, but it will happen during your lifetime. They reproduce like rabbits.

    This argument is so unfounded in reality that it now has its own Snopes aricle detailing why it's BS, quoting a couple relevant parts:

    "France: 1.8 children per family; Muslims, 8.1"

    The French government doesn’t collect statistics by religion, so it is impossible to say what the precise fertility rates among different religious groups in France are.

    But no country on earth has such a high fertility rate, and in Algeria and Morocco, the two nations which send the largest numbers of Muslim immigrants to France, the fertility rate is 2.38, according to the UN’s 2008 figures. - -

    "In the Netherlands, 50% of all newborns are Muslim."

    As of 2004, Muslims comprised about 5.8% of the population of the Netherlands. In order for this small percentage of the population to account for “50% of all newborns,” Muslim women in the Netherlands would have to be giving birth, on average, to about 14 to 16 times as many babies each as non-Muslim women. - -

    "Currently in Belgium, 25% of the population and 50% of all newborns are Muslim."

    Muslims are the second-largest religious group in Belgium, but they still only account for about 4%-5% of the population. And, as noted above, for that small a segment of the population to be accounting for “50% of all newborns” in the country, Muslim women would have to be giving birth to incredibly large numbers of children each. - -

    One fact that gets lost among distractions is that the birthrates of Muslim women in Europe — and around the world — have been falling significantly for some time.
    [S]harp reductions in fertility among Muslim immigrants reflect important cultural shifts, which include universal female education, rising living standards, the inculcation of local mores, and widespread availability of contraception. Broadly speaking, birthrates among immigrants tend to rise or fall to the local statistical norm within two generations.

    The decline of Muslim birthrates is a global phenomenon. Most analysts have focused on the remarkably high proportion of people under age 25 in the Arab countries, which has inspired some crude forecasts about what this implies for the future. Yet recent UN data suggest that Arab birthrates are falling fast, and that the number of births among women under the age of 20 is dropping even more sharply.

    The falling fertility rates in large segments of the Islamic world have been matched by another significant shift: Across northern and western Europe, women have suddenly started having more babies Immigrant mothers account for part of the fertility increase throughout Europe, but only part. And, significantly, many of the immigrants are arrivals from elsewhere in Europe, especially the eastern European countries admitted to the European Union in recent years.

    There are valid concerns with regards to immigration and integration of immigrants from everywhere (including eastern Europe) but this assumption that somehow the muslims will 'outbreed' other Europeans is statistically entirely unfounded and based on numbers that the far.right blogosphere has pulled out of their ass.

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  19. Re:Macron the sly french fox of all trades! by Maritz · · Score: 2

    Turns out "wikileaks has been duped" can mean just about anything you want it to mean. That's fucking amazing.

    Does it have to be in bold for that to work?

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  20. Macron by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 2

    I'm sorry, but Macron doesn't sound like the name of the head of state of an important country. It sounds like the name of a robot on "Futurama".

    (And don't get me started on the depressingly worsening sequence of nitwit-scoundrels who've worked in the Oval Office.)

    Could be worse. Len Pen could have been defeated by Le Sword.

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