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Amazon To Build Homeless Shelter In Its New Seattle Headquarters (cnn.com)

Amazon is trying to do its part to help the homelessness problem in its hometown of Seattle. The company announced on Wednesday that it would donate more than 47,000 square feet of space within its newest Seattle headquarters building as a permanent location to house homeless people. CNNMoney reports: "Mary's Place does incredible, life-saving work every day for women, children, and families experiencing homelessness in the Seattle community," Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos said in a statement. "We are lucky to count them as neighbors and thrilled to offer them a permanent home within our downtown Seattle headquarters." Amazon is partnering with local nonprofit Mary's Place to create 65 rooms, which will house more than 200 homeless people every night. The new Mary's Place shelter will open in early 2020. It will also have a resource center like those the nonprofit offers in North Seattle and White Center, where 40-plus local nonprofits and volunteers work with staff to help families obtain employment and permanent housing.

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  1. And you can order one today! by bazmail · · Score: 4, Funny

    5 hobos for the price of 3 (for opening day only). Or is Bezos using them as guinea pigs for manned missions?

    1. Re:And you can order one today! by LabRatty · · Score: 3, Funny

      It is their battery solution to compete with Tesla. Save us Neo.

    2. Re:And you can order one today! by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      He needs cheap workers that will work for pennies and be thankful for his next packing warehouse, now that outsourcing into Mexico isn't feasible anymore.

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    3. Re:And you can order one today! by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Expendable human subjects that nobody would be missing if they vanish...

      Say, wasn't Bezos one of the guys that wanted to build a rocket to Mars?

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    4. Re:And you can order one today! by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 5, Funny

      He needs cheap workers that will work for pennies and be thankful for his next packing warehouse, now that outsourcing into Mexico isn't feasible anymore.

      Based on what I've heard about how much Amazon pays, I think most of the people in the homeless shelter will be Amazon employees. If they were honest they'd call it Employee housing.

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  2. equal opportunity homelessness by crafoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "...life-saving work every day for women, children, and families experiencing homelessness..."

    Well, at least men got included as long as they support a family. Wouldn't want all of those useless, disposable freeloading homeless men taking up a shelter slot.

    1. Re:equal opportunity homelessness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      They should have signed up for Prime before they ordered it.

    2. Re:equal opportunity homelessness by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The "homeless problem" in Seattle isn't really represented by transitory homeless, like are describe here, families with women and children, although certainly that does account for some percentage, of course. The bulk of the problem is a bit tougher to deal with: the perpetual homeless, mostly men (roughly 6:1 men/women ratio, with under 1% being minors, out of an estimated 10,000 pop, of which about half are "unsheltered"), many with some form of mental illness, and many with substance addictions. Unless we as a society decide that some people are unable to live responsibly on their own and should be institutionalized, we'll have permanent homeless. Even if you build free housing, you can't force someone to live there if they choose not to, for whatever reason.

      So for the past few decades we've been shuffling them around from temporary site to site. Or a few entrepreneurial homeless find little niches in a tent nestled in some bushes in an industrial park somewhere, and no one wants to try to kick them out for fear of getting knifed by a semi-crazy person (and because it's effectively a crime to evict them now). And my sister-in-law has to passes by a homeless man on her way to work who's sunning himself on a public lawn and masturbating to a magazine, and everyone else has a similar story. And on it goes.

      It's an ugly truth, and we've been kicking this can down the road for a generation now, because we're apparently too "compassionate" to institutionalize people that need it. Who knows... maybe it *is* more compassionate to let these people live as they want... If there were an easy answer, I suppose we've have already solved it.

      So, kudos to Amazon for being willing to help, I guess, but it's not going to put much of a dent in Seattle's larger homeless problem if they're only going to take homeless families. I certainly don't blame them for this, because few people want a large population of the "ugly" homeless housed near them. Seattle's government is really the only ones who have the authority to rectify the situation, and all they've done is to talk endlessly about the problem. A year or two ago the Seattle mayor declared some sort of "homeless state of emergency", but like a lot of things he does, it's more about political perception than actually getting everything done. So far, it seems like its been private charities and organizations that have done the most and best work in helping these people.

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    3. Re:equal opportunity homelessness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Far too much truth telling in your post. Few will want to listen to it. There's a lot we could do for treatment, but it would have to be involuntary - and that is just not going to happen now. They either have to be willing to get treatment, or they have to be an immediate danger.

      The saddest part - is that the people who are able to get on government disability, end up being worse off because it just enables their addictions.

    4. Re:equal opportunity homelessness by swb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      1. Setup large dormitory style structures with staff (social workers, mental health, etc) for homeless transitional housing.

      2. Vigorously enforce laws on trespass and vagrancy

      3. Give repeat offenders of #2 a choice to go the homeless shelter and get evaluated or go to jail for two weeks

      4. Create a separate section of the jail for homeless people, but make it more like boot camp. Mandatory wake times, showers, and labor.

      At the homeless shelter, screen for mental illness and commit people with serious mental illness. Everyone else gets intensive support to not be homeless, and those who actually want not to be homeless will have the tools/support to do it.

      People who *choose* homelessness and won't take support deal with strict law enforcement on vagrancy, trespass, etc. They'll move along versus spending more than a couple of cycles in a boot camp jail.

    5. Re:equal opportunity homelessness by painandgreed · · Score: 2

      Nice post. But it doesn't explain why the problem is biggest on the west coast.

      Economies are booming. Lots of people are moving here. Housing is getting more expensive by rising rents or by being replaced with new builds. Almost all of the homeless are locals that have been displaced because even cheap housing is being taken up by professionals now. People are falling through the cracks and have nowhere to go.

  3. Homeless Shelter by SJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is that what they're calling employee housing nowadays?

  4. Hmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wonder how many of its own employees will take advantage of this.

  5. Or! Or! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Amazon could pay a living wage!

  6. So in other words by Kokuyo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As a homeless man you're only worth something if there's a family attached to you.

    Isn't male privilege great!

    1. Re:So in other words by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Isn't male privilege great!

      Welcome to the oppression olympics!

      The point of equal opportunity is not to make sure everyone has an equally shitty life. The point is if there is a problem you try to fix it. That means if, hypothetically, you spot that women have been systematically discriminated against in tech jobs then you try to fix that. What you don't say is "oh that's OK because men have it worse here so it evens out". Likewise, if you spot that, hypothetically, men are more likely to be homeless, you try to fix it rather than say "oh that's OK because women have it worse here so it evens out".

      Playing the "who's the biggest victim" game does nothing except make people feel that crappy things are somehow OK.

      So, if you don't like it, the do something about it. Don't complain that other people are trying to fix an unrelated problem.

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    2. Re:So in other words by grasshoppa · · Score: 4, Informative

      The problem, and I think you missed this, is that no one is even trying to solve the male homeless problem. Instead we see shelter after shelter set up for women and children, who represent the minority of homeless.

      Homeless men have effectively been told they have no value to society UNLESS they are in service to a woman or a child.

      This, and literally hundreds of other things, is what goes through most men's minds when we're being lectured about our privilege.

      Hence, Kokuyo's joke.

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  7. Aplaud the intent... by kenh · · Score: 3, Informative

    Amazon is partnering with local nonprofit Mary's Place to create 65 rooms, which will house more than 200 homeless people every night. The new Mary's Place shelter will open in early 2020.

    But this will have no effect on the homeless population until 2020, how does this help the homeless community today?

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    1. Re:Aplaud the intent... by tsqr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Amazon is partnering with local nonprofit Mary's Place to create 65 rooms, which will house more than 200 homeless people every night. The new Mary's Place shelter will open in early 2020.

      But this will have no effect on the homeless population until 2020, how does this help the homeless community today?

      It doesn't, and it obviously isn't supposed to. But not to worry, there will probably still be homeless people in 2020.

  8. Re:Why? by kenh · · Score: 2

    Didn't trump just make America great again? How can we still have homeless people?

    As noted, this won't be available until 2020, just as President Trump is up for re-election, two years after Democrats "take back the congress" in the 2018 mid-term.

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  9. Re: Why? by thundercattt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Of course men. Women have a valuable commodity they can trade for food/shelter/sugar daddy. I see them doing this as a tax write-off. Why not give them jobs? Even if it's a yard worker or garbage picker upper.

  10. Re:Portland Oregon by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hey Amazon: They need a huge one in Portland Oregon too. I visited once and haven't seen so many homeless people in my life.

    What you saw in Portland were the political activists.

  11. Re: Why? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    when you got no job, any job is better

    Hiring managers are reluctant to hire higher-skilled people for minimum wage jobs because they know that people will leave when a better opportunity comes along. When I was out of work for two years, hiring managers told me I was overqualified for minimum wage jobs and recruiters told me I was unemployable for everything else. I ended up working for a moving company on the weekends for six months until I found another full-time job.

  12. Re:Why? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Funny

    [...] so give trump at least 2-3 years to fix the problems of trump.

    FTFY — Who knew that governing was so complicated for a businessman?

  13. Re:Why? by Jawnn · · Score: 2

    Didn't trump just make America great again? How can we still have homeless people?

    If they live at Amazon, they aren't homeless. You see? American is great again, thanks to be big business.

  14. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why not give them jobs?

    You have a deep misunderstanding of what causes homelessness and why it is such an intractable problem. They are not "just like you and me" except without homes. Most homeless people have mental health issues, substance abuse issues, and are in general very dysfunctional people. If they were employable, then they wouldn't be homeless in the first place.

  15. Re:Or! Or! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh, he's close. Just missing things by a few blocks. Down the street from Amazon is the Allen Brain Institute.

    Brain. Institute.

    Once they take your brain (for science, of course), your only options are either the homeless shelter or politics. The vast majority of people, even after being pithed, would apparently prefer homelessness rather than politics.

    There is some hope for mankind.

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  16. Re:Every night? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I find it amusing that this comes to 235sqft per person, and I've taken flack for designing apartment microunits at 224sqft per single individual as part of a universal social security plan. People stopped arguing that it wasn't affordable and started arguing that I'm trying to shove people into prison cells or something (never mind that they're allowed to go anywhere outside)--to which I'd typically respond with something about cardboard boxes, bad weather, and food from dumpsters.

    People don't seem to care about making the lives of others better; they just want to win a moral victory so they feel good.

  17. Maybe we should focus on fixing the root cause by ErichTheRed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most chronic homelessness is caused by mental illness and addictions. Instead of putting up shelters, why not spend a little extra and reopen public mental hospitals? Before the deinstitutionalization movement in the 70s, states had huge mental health treatment systems in place. Admittedly, part of that was because there was nothing that could be done to treat mental illness before the 50s and the only thing to do was to lock them away. But, we've seen that treatment isn't 100% effective, people relapse, they self-medicate with drugs and alcohol, etc. Why not operate facilities where people who need treatment can be placed until they're stable enough to actually live in the community?

    1. Re:Maybe we should focus on fixing the root cause by painandgreed · · Score: 2

      Why not operate facilities where people who need treatment can be placed until they're stable enough to actually live in the community?

      Well, IIRC, a large part of that deinstitutionalization movement was because the courts decided that people can't normally be institutionalized against their will. Unless there is a crime involved, if they say they want to leave, they get to leave. Add in that the Republicans won't want to pay for it. So, now, they just walk and are homeless till they commit a crime and get jailed which is where most of those deinstitutionalized people went.

  18. What about non-homeless? by HockeyPuck · · Score: 2

    This is great for the homeless population, but for those that aren't employed by high-tech. They just can't afford to live in Seattle anymore. Teachers, fire-fighters, police, food service workers, etc can't afford to pay $2000 for a 1bedroom apartment. What we all saw in SanFrancisco/Silicon Valley area, is happening in Seattle.

    Hope these high tech workers don't plan on having kids, there will be nobody to teach them. Maybe Amazon can buy Khan Academy and launch Amazon-School. "Alexa, teach my child to read."

  19. Re: Why? by dryeo · · Score: 2

    The problem is that a lot of the homeless are mentally ill and can't hold any job.

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  20. Troll by s.petry · · Score: 2, Informative

    Discriminating is not "equal opportunity" at all. When nationally 80% of the homeless population is men, having a program which discriminates against men is flat out evil. That you attempt to claim discrimination is fine because "bogey man" makes you evil.

    Real numbers show that gender discrimination is not a problem in the workplace. 61% of all college graduates are Women who are _CHOOSING_ not to go into STEM jobs. The graduation numbers have favored women for well over a decade, and were pretty close for the prior 20 years. The wage gap has been debunked so frequently that you must be mentally handicapped to still believe it. That is not a joke. You should seek immediate psychological help and ask the doctor to consider some strong medication (Thorazine) because you simply ignore reality to support a delusion. Worse, using that delusion to discriminate against people.

    Your sig makes it perfectly clear that you are a SJW troll.

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    1. Re:Troll by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      Well look who's a fragile snowflake.You're so ready to take offence that you seem to jump at any opportunity, imagined or not. Here's a free clue: at no point did I say discrimination was OK. So... Well your entire outraged screed was based on something you invented rather than read.Kinda entertaining that you then accuse me of being impervious to reality. That's what I call ironic.

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  21. Re:Terrific News! by moeinvt · · Score: 2

    What would you choose if your only options were performing labor in exchange for food & shelter or sleeping on the street and begging? And was it government that fixed the abuses with company towns and company stores or was that the genesis of the union movement?

    Government also passed laws which mandate "minimum standard of habitation" for rental property. A living space must have all of the modern conveniences or it's illegal to rent on a long-term basis. Such amenities come with a cost. People are homeless because they are priced out of the market. Politicians talk about "affordable housing" but they make it illegal to build and rent cheap, rudimentary shelters. Why not rent out cabins or tents in a campground type setting with communal toilets & showers? Government even evicts people from basic shelters that they built for themselves! "Sorry, you can't live in that plywood cabin you built because it doesn't meet our standards, so we're going to bulldoze it and make you sleep on the street." I think that's absolutely barbaric.

    The free market & private charity won't produce a utopia, but the results would certainly be no worse than government "solutions".

  22. Megacorps by Fieryphoenix · · Score: 3, Funny

    I have played too much Shadowrun to think this can be anything good.

  23. Re: Why? by GLMDesigns · · Score: 2

    He may have put it poorly but there is some truth there.

    There's a lot of homelessness in NYC and the overwhelming majority falls into two camps: those with mental issues and those with substance abuse issues. The percentage of able bodied and able minded people (is that a word?) who are homeless is a small.

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