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Apple is Bringing iTunes To the Windows Store (theverge.com)

Tom Warren, writing for The Verge: Apple is planning to bring its iTunes desktop app to the Windows Store. In a surprise announcement at the Build developer event today, Microsoft revealed it has been working with Apple to get iTunes listed in the Windows Store. It might not sound like an important addition, but iTunes is one of the most searched for apps that's currently missing in the Windows Store. USA Today veteran columnist, summing up the announcement, "Microsoft announces that iTunes (incl Apple Music and full support for iPhone) is coming to the Windows Store. Big get for Microsoft." Microsoft's communication head, summing up the situation, "Didn't see that one coming, did you!"

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  1. Nex Axes of Evil by sinij · · Score: 1

    In other news, Microsoft and Apple team up to add more walls to their gardens. The combined effort will be called Mapple On Line. CDs are already in the mail.

    1. Re:Nex Axes of Evil by halivar · · Score: 1

      According to the metaphor, isn't this Microsoft and Apple teaming up to remove the wall between their respective gardens?

    2. Re:Nex Axes of Evil by retchdog · · Score: 1

      depends. i doubt this partnership will improve or even last that long, but in principle they could use the removed bits of wall to shore up their position against the rest of the industry. and by wall, i mean patents and general duopolistic shenanigans.

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    3. Re:Nex Axes of Evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no. it's microsoft and apple coming to terms on the split of profits and a big 'fuck you' to everybody else who has to pay microsoft 30%; while apple pays nothing because microsoft bribed them to store-ify their application.

    4. Re:Nex Axes of Evil by sinij · · Score: 1

      To push the metaphor further - the prison yard got slightly bigger but there are now twice as many guards making your escape harder.

    5. Re:Nex Axes of Evil by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Funny

      But the new guards have rounded corners and anodized aluminium guns.

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    6. Re:Nex Axes of Evil by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      In other news, Microsoft and Apple team up to add more walls to their gardens. The combined effort will be called Mapple On Line. CDs are already in the mail.

      Too bad no one with a computer newer than 2012 can use them for anything more than a coaster for their coffee cup!

    7. Re:Nex Axes of Evil by Highdude702 · · Score: 2

      thats good, means after a few shots they wont be accurate anymore. just dont be one of the first 15 people to get shot!

    8. Re: Nex Axes of Evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I built my latest desktop box six months ago, the DVD-RW drive was only about $14. Cheapest optical drive ever.

    9. Re:Nex Axes of Evil by Rob+Y. · · Score: 1

      Assuming this new Windows 10s thing is going to be a consumer device, and may end up selling lots of units, Apple kind of needs to support it. I don't suppose they need to do more than package up their Win32 code - doubt they'd do a complete rewrite.

      Maybe Apple sees this as a way to hurt Google. Chromebooks can't run iTunes, 10s Chromebook competitors will. Do you even need iTunes to deal with an iPhone these days. The one pain in the ass of my 'everything on Linux' lifestyle is dealing with an old iPod mini that I still use to listen to podcasts. There are Linjux tools to get podcasts onto it, but they're not very reliable - and the opposite of user-friendly. Not that iTunes is so user-friendly either, but it does work...

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    10. Re:Nex Axes of Evil by scdeimos · · Score: 1

      Do you even need iTunes to deal with an iPhone these days.

      Not really, unless you want to do playlist management. iOS devices can back themselves up to the cloud now, perform iOS upgrades and do pretty much everything else without a PC.

    11. Re:Nex Axes of Evil by sinij · · Score: 1

      But the new guards have rounded corners and anodized aluminium guns.

      Personally, I prefer black latex but I am not going to kink-shame anyone here.

  2. So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ***Application used by many Windows users to manage their music and iDevices is made available to Windows users.***

    So what? It would be news if this DIDN'T happen, but as long as Apple iDevices are the de facto industry standard for music players then MS will clearly make the appropriate software available.

    Now if they made Zune support available, that would be news.

    1. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's been available to users. You could download it from a number of places. The big difference now is it's available in the precious windows App Store.

    2. Re: So? by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Funny

      So one of the most gawdawful bloated pieces of shit software is now available on probably the worst online store on the Internet.

      What a coup.

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    3. Re: So? by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      It's been available to users. You could download it from a number of places. The big difference now is it's available in the precious windows App Store.

      Exactly. This announcement is just a truckload of no big deal.

    4. Re: So? by tsqr · · Score: 2

      Yes, but putting on the Windows Store means you can install it on Windows 10S! Yay!

    5. Re: So? by kelemvor4 · · Score: 0

      So one of the most gawdawful bloated pieces of shit software is now available on probably the worst online store on the Internet.

      What a coup.

      Hopefully someone at slashdot can update the title with your more appropriate summary.

    6. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I hear the next release adds systemd...

    7. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So school pupils will be able to synch their iGadget to their ultralight school notebook?

  3. Microsoft announced? by mdm-adph · · Score: 2

    Yeah.... this will be news when _Apple_ announces this. Until then this might just be Microsoft helping keep shareholders excited.

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  4. Will they block non-store installs on Win10? by swb · · Score: 1

    The big question is whether this is truly an evil deal where Microsoft and Apple have colluded in such a way that the ONLY way to install iTunes is now through the Microsoft store.

    This would be a great deal for Microsoft, getting Apple to force iPhone/iPad users running Windows 10 to sign up for the Windows store.

    1. Re:Will they block non-store installs on Win10? by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      The big question is whether this is truly an evil deal where Microsoft and Apple have colluded in such a way that the ONLY way to install iTunes is now through the Microsoft store.

      This would be a great deal for Microsoft, getting Apple to force iPhone/iPad users running Windows 10 to sign up for the Windows store.

      No need to collude. Microsoft could just do like Apple and block all executable not installed by the App Store by default.

    2. Re:Will they block non-store installs on Win10? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On macOS you can run any app you want, the default warns you if the app is not from a trusted developer. But you can change those settings.

      You may have been talking about iOS, but it's important to distinguish the two. macOS App Store is not required except for system updates.

    3. Re:Will they block non-store installs on Win10? by vux984 · · Score: 2

      This is not actually a bad thing. One of the problems with windows is that every software has its own updater etc.

      Itunes through the windows store, hopefully means itunes update goes away, as it will now be handled via the store updater. And frankly I hope adobe reader, and java are available through store soon too. I wouldn't mind getting filezilla and qbittorrent and notepad++ and firefox and telegram and ... through a storefront too because it seems every day at least one of them needs an update.

      My issue with the microsoft store is the lock-in. I want multiple competing storefronts. I want steam. I want gog galaxy. I want someone to put together a decent windows productivity app store that isn't microsoft, and for the OSS tools i use to come from a windows store/repo.

      Like most people here I hate walled gardens.

      However I do LIKE these 'stores'. I like Steam and GogGalaxy.
      I like the humble store and frdroid on my android being there alongside googleplay and the samsung one.

      On OSX i have the microsoft RDP client from the apple app store (free); and that it gets updated automatically as a result.

      So I like app stores. I don't like being restricted to a single app store -- which is a big reason why i don't own an iphone.
      So I want Microsoft to get an app store together; but i don't want them to go full retard and lock me out of other stores. I seriously hope Valve and GoG and origin etc can put antitrust / anticompetitive measures against Microsoft to force them to allow multiple competing storefronts.

      I seriously hope google, opera, firefox etc can fight the full retard that forcing us to use edge entails.

      On the upside, if Microsoft goes full retard, my steam and gog accounts will at least transfer to linux and OSX. (although i do lose a chunk of each library.) But, for what its worth, I don't think Windows 10 S is going to get a lot of traction -- anyone who buys it will be pissed off at the restrictions. A few schools and budget buyers might get stuck with it, but they'll all hate it.

    4. Re:Will they block non-store installs on Win10? by swb · · Score: 1

      They don't have to block manual application installs, and I doubt that they will be able to get there any time soon given the giant legacy code base of all Windows applications.

      They just need Apple to agree that their Windows installer for non-Win10 platforms will not run on Windows 10, only a special store-only version. This would force all Win10 iTunes users to sign up for the MS store and download the app that way, which would likely capture huge numbers of new store users.

      The Windows store suffers from the chicken/egg problem of no customers and no content. A possible fix for this is to force customers into the store, and then you can lure developers since you now have all these registered users.

    5. Re:Will they block non-store installs on Win10? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like they did with their new edition of Windows. They only allow store apps to be installed so they're banning all open source software and all legacy software. Windows has officially decided that they don't need to provide any backwards compatibility. They've been terrible at it since DOS 6.0 that broke a few things, and with every release there's more and more that they break. Of course, when you fire your QA and most of your developers are too young to have used Windows NT 4, much less Windows 95 or DOS, then of course they're not going to be able to do their job.

    6. Re:Will they block non-store installs on Win10? by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      OSX does not do this. You can install anything you want there. Microsoft store is irrelevant anyway, you were always able to install iTunes on Windows 10 assuming you weren't running the RT or other broken versions. Just head to apple.com and download it.

    7. Re:Will they block non-store installs on Win10? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as sideloading exists, I don't see any rational reason to be opposed to the store. The masses have spoken and want a walled garden. Rather than fighting a war you can't win, it's best to learn how to survive in the new environment, and simply accept that things will be a bit different.

      The company I am at now has a lot of people in the IT department resistant to change (cloud, mobile) and they're all starting to simply get fired.

      Adapt or die.

    8. Re:Will they block non-store installs on Win10? by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      I tried to help someone with a Mac remotely over team viewer. Told her to download it and run the executable. She got an error message saying the application must be installed from the App Store. Admin rights were not enough to execute the program.

    9. Re:Will they block non-store installs on Win10? by Megane · · Score: 2

      And anyone with half a clue would have gone to System Preferences -> Security & Privacy -> General and turned it off. The difference? Windows 10 S won't let you turn that off, ever.

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    10. Re:Will they block non-store installs on Win10? by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      That's why I said BY DEFAULT.
      I would certainly have done it have I been able to connect remotely... but I wasn't.

    11. Re:Will they block non-store installs on Win10? by wcb4 · · Score: 1

      backward compatibility is what kills windows..... If you could force developers to move off Win32 and us the new UWP platform, you'd have far fewer problems with the OS. The app store is actually a good thing. UWP apps are a good thing. Microsoft, however, did not have the balls to stand behind this, and offered up Centenntial, so, unfortunately, Win32 lives on. All in all, Windows has been remarkably backward compatible over the years, too much so to its detriment.

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    12. Re:Will they block non-store installs on Win10? by tepples · · Score: 1

      I'll believe it when Centennial is powerful enough to run Visual Studio.

    13. Re:Will they block non-store installs on Win10? by tepples · · Score: 1

      Sideloading in Windows 10 S costs $50 extra.

    14. Re:Will they block non-store installs on Win10? by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      Stop giving them ideas! not that i use itunes for my iphone.. but for the sake of the plebs please stop!

    15. Re:Will they block non-store installs on Win10? by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      Mod this up! If i hadnt commented i would. You make a very valid point. and thats part of the problem today, a lot of devs arent old enough to have used shitty software on low end hardware. since even todays low end hardware dwarfs what the high end would have been years ago.

    16. Re:Will they block non-store installs on Win10? by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      i had that same issue once. a quick google search resolves it.

    17. Re:Will they block non-store installs on Win10? by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      As long as sideloading exists

      What you're referring to is called "Installing a program" sideloading is some shit that young people made up because they have become complacent with everything being "proprietary" which is bullshit and should not exist when it comes to an operating system. If I can write a program I should not have to jump through hoops or pay to be able to install it.

    18. Re:Will they block non-store installs on Win10? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't mind getting filezilla and qbittorrent and notepad++ and firefox and telegram and ... through a storefront too because it seems every day at least one of them needs an update.

      Just for that, you shouldn't need a store. If third party software could simply register the security certificate that most have anyway and an update check URL you should be able to get one "update all" button, "shut down and install updates" etc. like for Windows updates or on Linux but Microsoft doesn't want to provide those third party facilities. Not unless they get a cut.

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    19. Re: Will they block non-store installs on Win10? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Turning that of in Windows 10 S will be possible probable a few weeks or months after it's in the wild.

    20. Re:Will they block non-store installs on Win10? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I've never seen that, and I installed Team Viewer on my macbook. Seriously, you can't even use the App Store if you don't have an Apple ID.

    21. Re:Will they block non-store installs on Win10? by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      You must not have the latest OS X or turned off that setting.

    22. Re:Will they block non-store installs on Win10? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      It's Sierra, 10.12.4. I do get the message that the file was downloaded from the internet and it won't run, but you get past that by right clicking on the app and select "open". You can change a security setting also (allow from app store and identified developers) and I think IT pre-selected this as a group policy for us. So maybe I hadn't run into the issue as hard like a home user would.

      I've got applications designed and sold for the Mac which do not appear in the Apple Store (and that store is full of crap, just like the Microsoft Store or any smart phone store).

      So it's true, MacOS is getting worse, but it's losing the race to the bottom as Windows is still far in the lead.

  5. What about Xcode? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..which should now be called iCode (because macOS no longer has an X after it). It is not reasonable for Apple to expect smaller iOS developers to buy the kind of Mac laptops they are producing today. If Windows 10S was still the enemy, then I would be suggesting a iCloud-hosted web-based development app, but Microsoft is no longer the enemy (in fact, iCloud is partially hosted on Azure) and supporting Windows as a development platform can only sell more iPhones.

  6. Universal app version maybe? by ErichTheRed · · Score: 2

    The interesting thing about this is whether or not Microsoft is going to get out of the media-selling business. You can buy movies and music for your XBox or PC through the Windows Store, but adding iTunes as a client might mean they're getting away from that...who knows? With Windows Phone pretty much cooked, maybe they're starting to figure that a large part of their Store ecosystem doesn't make sense anymore.

    I wonder if the app is going to be a Universal rewrite, or if they're using that Project Centennial Win32 emulator to move the existing app to the store.

    1. Re:Universal app version maybe? by CaptnCrud · · Score: 1

      Funny you mention that, but I think the ms store actually farms out a lot of, at least movies, from 3rd party sources.

      The reason I say this is recently I tried searching for "the name of the rose" (which is a great movie btw) on the itunes store and it came up blank, I did a search on the ms store and found it but it was for rental only (almost like it was found on showtime or hbo, except this was in the ms store)

      They probably will eventually just make the selections look universal, i'm going to guess itunes will be entitled list available ms store titles to expand their catalog too.

      I think they are banding together to defeat a common enemy on their horizon: Amazon and Netflix.

  7. Sure why not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    its Apple thats notorious for being anti-competitive assholes on their appstore. Doesnt seem to be a big deal for MS.

    If people want to use a sub-par media player, let them -shrug-

  8. Microsoft Word by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    So......is Microsoft Word available in the app store yet? Because this is just making Microsoft look bad.........

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    1. Re:Microsoft Word by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      Is Microsoft Word available on the Apple Store?

    2. Re:Microsoft Word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes. Microsoft has A LOT of apps in the App store. This doesn't make Microsoft look bad. I think it shows Apple is supporting Microsoft's effort to reign in its user base onto a more secure platform

    3. Re:Microsoft Word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      who cares - apple is shit and they have sweet fuck all market share on PC's and phones

    4. Re:Microsoft Word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not on the desktop AppStore, but it is on the iOS AppStore.

    5. Re:Microsoft Word by EndlessNameless · · Score: 1

      They don't need to bother putting it on the Windows Store.

      The Windows Store is about getting a piece of the revenue from app sales. They already get 100% of the Office revenue. Plus, they get that sweet subscription revenue from Office365.

      If the Windows Store security model ever gets locked down to the point where desktop apps cannot share storage with Store apps, then they'll need to put Office in the Store. Until then, there's no need---and, more importantly, they don't get more money out of it.

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  9. Yo Dawg... by ausekilis · · Score: 1

    I heard you likes stores, so I put a store in your store so you can shop while you shop...

    Are we still doing that?

    1. Re:Yo Dawg... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's walled gardens all the way down!

  10. What about Steam? EA Origin? Ubisoft UPlay? GoG? by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    iTunes was easy to see, if people ran Windows 10 S and couldn't connect their iPhone or iPad they'd get rid of Windows. But Steam Origin GoG and UPlay would be surprising to see on there.

  11. I pity the fool who uses iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    iTunes, last time I looked, was the single worst piece of software I've ever seen.

    It's the AOL Browser of music libraries.

    I pity the fool who uses it and imagines that this is what software is like and accepts it.

    1. Re:I pity the fool who uses iTunes by Megane · · Score: 1

      Hey, be fair, the OS X version only sucks a little bit. It is the Windows version that sucks so hard that a black hole appears on your hard drive.

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  12. Um... yes I did. by mjwx · · Score: 1

    Microsoft's communication head, summing up the situation, "Didn't see that one coming, did you!"

    Yeah...

    So as the Microsoft store struggles for relevance, it arranges to bring the most popular $0 programs to its store. Colour me completely unsurprised. This couldn't have been more unexpected if it arrived on the back of three red-robed cardinals proclaiming a Spanish inquisition.

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  13. so one irrelevant platform joins another! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Synergy!

  14. Great by bogie · · Score: 0

    Now an entirely new generation of users can find out what it's like to see an app get worse and worse with every release. iTunes is the ultimate example of how Apple has no regard its users. Using iTunes from the beginning until now has been in a word painful.

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    1. Re:Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, they're already overexposed to that. They're on windows, aren't they?

  15. All we need now by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

    All that's needed now is for Windows Store to be on iTunes and it's turtles all the way down.

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    1. Re:All we need now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You got your iTunes in my Windows Store!
      You got your Windows Store in my iTunes!

      "Two awful things that are even worse together... come give us your moneeeeeey! o/~ o/~"

  16. So will Microsoft get 30% of all itunes sales? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    apple wont like that

  17. How the fuck is that TECHNOLOGY NEWS ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really ?

  18. New Windows Phone? by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    Well I know running iTunes on my Windows desktop is what made me ditch my Apple phone and go Android, so perhaps Microsoft is banking on that...

    The backup function of iTunes worked well I found, but not much else. Broken by design.

    1. Re: New Windows Phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple has barely any programmers left who aren't deeply involved in "mobile" and other fads. They barely pay attention to their own desktop os. Developers who can build Windows desktop applications? Are you kidding??

    2. Re:New Windows Phone? by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's what drove me away. I owned precisely one iPhone, and while there were aspects of the phone that I liked, after a couple of years of having to use iTunes I went out and bought a Nexus 5, and oh my goodness, I could just copy my MP3s over using a normal file browser, I could install VLC and play any damned video file I wanted, and while Android always feel a little rougher around the edges, it's not enough for me to ever go back to iDevices.

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    3. Re:New Windows Phone? by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      Exactly the same. One of my biggest pet peeves was exactly the mp3 transfer and music library. Every so often for what seemed like no particular reason it would un-link my library from my file structure. A quick google showed that the issue had been around for years. So long in fact that a 3rd party of free developers created a tool to re-link your files. However every release of iTunes would "accidentally" break their tool, after awhile the developers eventually gave up trying to keep up. Apple had no intention of fixing it, because it only effected those files not bought through iTunes (surprise, surprise), they they really didn't have the incentive to do anything about it (other than you know keeping users happy). They did have a function within iTunes to re-link files, however it worked only ONE file at a time, and iTunes would un-link hundreds at a time. Making it just work enough to be annoying as hell and to try to influence people to buy everything through iTunes.

      After a few years of that I got a Samsung and never looked back. It seems absurd to lack the functionality to simply copy files from one to the other directly. As mentioned I had a few run ins with the backup functionality of iTunes, which indeed seemed to work quite well, but they probably kept that clean to cut down on support calls and such to save money. At any rate their whole business model didn't seem all that user centric as much as it was to try and monetize their users. I've since gone with a LG and I am even happier with than than the Samsung (which was horrible on battery).

  19. app stores with forced sand boxing / censorship ne by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    app stores with forced sand boxing / censorship need to go as well.

    censorship is bad with only one app store. Why not have an adults only area of the app store. As right now you can have one that will block games like Softporn Adventure but at the same time have HBO / MAX in it that does it in 1080P.

    sand boxing sucks for games with user mods / maps / and 3rd party tools. Can you have an game with it's own mapedit.exe that can work with game.exe without the sandbox getting in the way?

  20. Windows Store apps that browse the web need to use by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Windows Store apps that browse the web need to use Microsoft’s Edge engine.

    Is why the app stores need to have antitrust rules as part of them.

  21. Better Code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not a bad thing. iTune is not a well-behaved Windows application, and as much as Apple touts standards and practices in their own operating systems, they play fast and loose with Windows.

    1. Re:Better Code by Megane · · Score: 1

      as much as Apple touts standards and practices in their own operating systems, they play fast and loose with Windows.

      Yes, but everybody plays fast and loose with Windows, especially Microsoft.

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  22. So what's keeping Steam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So why isn't Steam coming?

    1. Re:So what's keeping Steam by tepples · · Score: 1

      iTunes Store downloads purchased copies of nonexecutable works. Steam downloads purchased copies of executable works. The bright line drawn by the Windows Store security model crosses between nonexecutable and executable.

  23. No Rivalry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MS and Apple do a LOT of cooperation together. Sure there is a sporty rivalry, but real combat? Hardly, that opposition & side choosing is mainly media & fan created.

    This is MS scratching Apple's back for what they did when announcing Boot Camp would now work only with Win 10. See? Even they joined the "Win 10 only" upgrade phenonomae that forced, (err I mean blessed) the world with the Our Way Or The Highway schpiel MS is on. Now MS can say they're helping Apple with one if its flagship products, see?

  24. Re:Windows Store apps that browse the web need to by Kryptonut · · Score: 1

    That's the big downer with the way they're running the windows store.

    If they want the windows store to flourish, they need to find ways for users to get ALL of the windows applications they want, including web browsers.

    Microsoft, why not have a certification programme for web browsers so that approved web browsers are able to use their own engines?

    I think that'd keep users happy as well as help with increased use of the Windows Store. It may also please those that are calling "monopoly" and "antitrust" because only Microsoft browser engines are allowed (while I understand the technical reasons, I don't like the idea of limiting user choice so severely). Just a thought.

  25. Re:What about Steam? EA Origin? Ubisoft UPlay? GoG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Origin is already on Windows Store, serving up their own content and not giving a cut to MS. Only thing stopping Steam is Valve's stubbornness.

  26. Re:What about Steam? EA Origin? Ubisoft UPlay? GoG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then Valve is probably just taking their slow ass.time like.they do with everything else

  27. Windows 10 S in K-12, university, and beyond by tepples · · Score: 1

    With the implication being "It would be inappropriate to allow a student to synchronize a personal entertainment device with a computer owned by a public school district," correct?

    The appropriateness then depends on two things. The first is whether Microsoft plans to promote Windows 10 S only for K-12 or also for university, where a student is more likely to own the computer rather than leasing it from a school district. The second is whether Microsoft plans to attempt to expand Windows 10 S beyond the education market.

  28. Remember shareware? by tepples · · Score: 1

    The difference? Windows 10 S won't let you turn that off, ever.

    Of course it will: one-time payment of $50. Do you remember the "shareware" scene on the Mac, where a reduced-functionality demo of an application would circulate widely as an advertisement for the registered version? Windows 10 S can be considered a reduced-functionality demo of Windows 10 Pro.

  29. Re:app stores with forced sand boxing / censorship by tepples · · Score: 1

    Can you have an game with it's own mapedit.exe that can work with game.exe without the sandbox getting in the way?

    Yes, provided the "mapedit" and "game" applications use either UWP file pickers or the Share contract, which Microsoft is suspiciously not calling an "intent".