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The Failed Experiment of the Digital Album Booklet (theoutline.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Before the ubiquity of MP3s and streaming platforms, one of the many small joys of buying a new album on CD was slipping the booklet out of the jewel case and reading the liner notes, credits, and lyrics while the music played for the first time. These days, the biographical information, album production notes, promotional photos, and printed lyrics that fans once relied on physical literature for have found homes in other areas online. Artist websites, social media accounts, and sites like Genius and WhoSampled offer a patchwork of album information, like credits and clues to what happened behind the scenes. But those details rarely exist in one place, and production and songwriting credits seem less and less important. Meanwhile, the form that was intended to replace the traditional booklet, the digital booklet, remains a rarity when it comes to new releases. The idea of digital album booklets may appeal to only the nerdiest of music fans, for whom having everything in one place is a ritualistic way to listen to music and for whom album credits are crucial. But in an age where branding is often as important as skill, the lack of digital booklets feels like a wasted opportunity for artists wanting to communicate directly to fans without a social network as a middleman.

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  1. Booklet? Fine. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    But I would be happier if I could just view decent sized, high resolution album covers. iTunes & Spotify at least, offer only thumbnails in their canned "experience".

    1. Re:Booklet? Fine. by omnichad · · Score: 2

      This. If a digital booklet had a high-res cover, I'm in. Every time I buy a new CD, I rip it (the physical disc is my backup). And then I scour the Internet trying to find something better than a blurry 400x400 image scanned from paper with halftone artifacts and edge fade all over the place. Sometimes I get lucky and find a high-res digital version from the label, but usually not. Scanning it myself doesn't actually improve the situation, due to the halftoning problem and being lazy.

      And it's not like I want a ridiculously high resolution. I scale these all down to 500x500 and compress it reasonably since it's embedded in each track.

    2. Re:Booklet? Fine. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have ripped all of my CDs to MP3, scanned all of their booklets and embedded the images into the MP3s. If I ever want to look at it, I can flip through the images in foobar2000. I also use an extension that automatically looks up information about the musician from various sources, embeds that information into the MP3s (for offline use) and is readable in a panel.

    3. Re:Booklet? Fine. by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      I vaguely recall the solution to scaling down without halftone artifacts was to resize down in multiple intermediate steps, I'd be interested to know if there are other solutions.
      like:
      http://s30.photobucket.com/use...

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    4. Re:Booklet? Fine. by omnichad · · Score: 1

      My trick is to blur the image slightly before resizing, which is probably the same effect. It does get rid of most of the patterning, but it's nowhere near as sharp as native digital artwork.

  2. Lost information by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Agree completely. Not everyone cared, but for your favorite albums or favorite band or even an unusual track you might want to know something more about -- the CD booklet, preceded by the LP jacket (sometimes with accompanying booklet) was often really informative. (Oh, and those tiny print things on cassettes too... I don't miss those.)

    Like DVD extras that gave fans insight beyond the movie, "liner notes" are going the way of the Dodo. I have a friend who has been trying to write on recently released music, and the basic info you'd often get in liner notes is often hard to come by, if they exist at all.

    1. Re:Lost information by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      All that info could easily be placed in file tags. But noboday seems to want to do that, so maybe the demand isn't really there. Artists could have a pdf link if that worked better.

    2. Re:Lost information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      back in the "old days", those extras were appreciated because they were often the only place, or the easiest place, to get that info... and when you were playing the music from the physical media, you had the sleeve or case out, so that material was always right there.

      but...

      I have a friend who has been trying to write on recently released music, and the basic info you'd often get in liner notes is often hard to come by, if they exist at all.

      ... all that information today, that was 'interesting' to read on those old liner notes... the pictures, the mini bios, the stories behind the songs, the lyrics... all of it... is usually already somewhere on the internet and only a web search away.

      your friend has failed google-fu 101... and i think the prof is going to ban them from retaking it cuz they bombed it so badly.

    3. Re:Lost information by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      All that information is still there. All the streaming services that I use have more info on the current track being played, and it is way more comprehensive than the liner notes ever were. Sure, I'll miss the occasional novelty like when Cheech and Chong included a giant rolling paper in the LP, but honestly the internet is far more informative.

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    4. Re:Lost information by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Functioning zipper was my favorite album novelty.

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    5. Re:Lost information by omnichad · · Score: 1

      is usually already somewhere on the internet and only a web search away.

      That friend they mentioned was trying to be the one to put that info on the Internet. It has to start somewhere - things don't just magically appear online.

    6. Re:Lost information by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Rolling Stones :) I never actually saw the working zipper version - I'm too young and it was just a picture later on.

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    7. Re: Lost information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The digital download of Nine Inch Nails - The Slip did this amazingly well. Each song had a unique photo embedded into each file, with the lyrics displayed over the top of it.

      The download included a high-res cover art book too, as well as other high-res images.

      All that was part of the free download.

    8. Re:Lost information by Grunschev · · Score: 1

      The big problem with the zipper was it would gouge into the album next to it on your shelf.

    9. Re: Lost information by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      My dad had the vinyl, I don't know if he still does.

      There was a CD where it wasn't a functioning zipper, but it was a folding flap of cardstock (or maybe I'm inventing that as a false memory).

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    10. Re:Lost information by Cyberpunk+Reality · · Score: 1

      Why bother? Bit-rot is going to get it all anyway. Probably in our lifetimes. Future archaeologists will doubtless be writing countless PhD theses (or their equivalent) on why we suddenly decided that the half-life of preserved information wasn't important anymore.

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    11. Re:Lost information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention the five part video series the band posts to youtube documenting the creation of the album, the endless interviews, etc.

    12. Re:Lost information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's all on Wikipedia now.

  3. Forget the CD booklets by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I want the full-size posters that used to come folded up in many LPs.

    When I was in high school, half the wall space in by bedroom was covered with those things.

    1. Re:Forget the CD booklets by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      You can still buy posters. Do we pay problem solvers a commission around here?

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    2. Re:Forget the CD booklets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I liked the industrial size zig-zag paper in the Cheech-N-Chong LP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    3. Re:Forget the CD booklets by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1

      It's not the same. Those posters are rolled up, not folded into 12"x!2" squares.

  4. Re:MP3s? by thegreatbob · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's already May, dude... FLAC or bust. Lossily compressed audio is so last quarter.

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  5. hipgnosis by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    One word: hipgnosis.

    Millenials are mourning the loss of the CD booklet?

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    1. Re:hipgnosis by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Millennials don't mourn shit.
      It's the previous gen which do.

      (I do but to a lesser extent)

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    2. Re:hipgnosis by enjar · · Score: 2

      I guess it's just the latest progression of nostalgia to experience recording formats that had inherent limitations. Perhaps it's some way of suffering for one's art? I've lived through albums, cassettes, cds and now am thrilled that I'm quite literally living in the future. I recall saving up allowance/job money to be able to spend $20 on a CD, then finding out only two tracks were worth it. Nowadays we spend $15/month to feed the music desires of my whole family, and I can download whatever I want to listen to on a whim. If there's one good track on an album I throw it in a "favorites" playlist and throw the rest of the record out. There's so much back catalog available that I quite literally don't have time to listen to crap music because there's so much out there I just couldn't afford as a kid.

    3. Re:hipgnosis by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      Millennials will become the "previous gen" soon enough.
      A lot of millennials have children now, and the first of GenZ or whatever you call it are coming of age.

  6. If only there was some new equivalent ... by enjar · · Score: 1

    There was a widely available format for exchanging information that didn't require a login or membership. This format would require some sort of system for making sure the names didn't get mixed up, and you might need some means of searching it, too. But a band could use this format for promotion of their work, links to concert reviews, additional information about the inspirations for the tracks on their albums, links to interviews they gave and all that stuff. Rather than being just boring text and some photos put in a jewel case, it would be so much more since you could use text, images, videos and so on. A band could create single stop shopping for not only their own information, but provide information about how people could listen to their music, watch music videos and buy concert tickets. If they so wanted, they could allow people to optionally sign up for their fan club or connect fans to their accounts on social media. Plus, the band could ... get this ... add new information as the album was released!

    Oh wait, that already exists ... it's called a website.

    1. Re:If only there was some new equivalent ... by dejitaru · · Score: 1

      except no, a website is dynamic and can easily disappear or change to a link farm. If you want information about the album, then it should be static, much like the booklets that came with CDs/Tapes/etc. I have plenty of albums from artists that either have no website, or websites that has no information about the album.

      A digital version for would be best like PDF or basic images, or even make use of the ID3/ID3v2/etc tags to actually contain that information. Hell, Mp3HD used the id3v2 tag to store the lossless version of the audio, I don't see why we can't use to to create a readable booklet with images and such.

    2. Re:If only there was some new equivalent ... by enjar · · Score: 1

      You could have always lost the booklet, or had it destroyed somehow. There's no guarantee a paper booklet would survive.

      The bottom line is that the artists are likely getting better bang for the buck on social networks and the places like Wikipedia, Genius and so on are doing the other stuff for pretty much free. Even slapping together a PDF then distributing it takes time.

      There's a similar parallel to special features on DVDs and BluRays. When the formats were introduced, you'd have some "making of" features, director commentary, etc. Now that those formats are mature those things aren't as common as they once were, being supplanted by things like Youtube where they can act as fan material and promotion material.

      I haven't bought a CD in well over a decade, and I'd given up on the little booklets, too. Their death went rather unnoticed. If I want to look up something about an artist I like, I just Google them and get vastly more information than I'd ever have gotten in a booklet.

    3. Re:If only there was some new equivalent ... by dejitaru · · Score: 1

      You're right that a booklet could become destroyed somehow, but the thing is it depends on who's in control. With a booklet, you have a copy, it's in your control, but with a website, you have zero control to any changes (unless you saved a copy). Yes, I agree that booklets more or less are pointless now, as they have been mostly pointless in the first place (most likely needed to properly credit for legal reasons), but it's more of a fan service anyway.

      Personally that's why I still prefer to get CDs (usually used tho), because it's interesting to read the booklet (at least once), I can rip the CD into FLAC, and have a backup copy. But to each is their own.

    4. Re:If only there was some new equivalent ... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Oh wait, that already exists ... it's called a website.

      Is website on the twitter? Or can I find it on my facebook?

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  7. dont care by Osgeld · · Score: 0

    music used to be something somewhat special, today its all the same polished to death generic flat loud noise no matter the genera or band, why would I care to see pictures of people sitting in front of a computer fixing the "dont give a shit" music that took a half a day to record

    1. Re:dont care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get off my lawn grandpa, your house is across the road, you senile old kook.

    2. Re:dont care by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      I don't know what planet you are living on, but music is more diverse and accessible than it has ever been. In the 80s you basically had two choices for recorded music - hang out at the record store with a few thousand titles hand-selected by the record store's buyer, or hang out at the independent record store with a few hundred titles hand-selected by the owner. That was it. Now you can select from millions of signed and unsigned artists from all over the world, and the cost of recording has come down so much that you can get better quality than what the Beetles had to work with for virtually free. If you are bored of today's music, you have no one to blame but yourself.

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    3. Re:dont care by omnichad · · Score: 1

      It's really the app store effect. Those two stores from the 80's were both curated (whether by a local expert or the big labels, depending on which you choose). Now, there's loads and loads of garbage mixed in. Finding the good stuff is much harder among the noise than ever before. Yes, there's more good out there, but if you have to find it yourself it's a lot of work.

    4. Re:dont care by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      accessible yes, diverse no ... less you'r one of these people that the same sound in a different language is something unique, and being able to record is not the same as being chosen to be recorded

      maybe that's the real issue, anyone regardless of talent can record super high quality poorly mixed over polished slock and the market is flooded with noise

    5. Re:dont care by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      once i am done wiping my ass I will

    6. Re:dont care by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      music used to be something somewhat special, today its all the same polished to death generic flat loud noise no matter the genera or band, why would I care to see pictures of people sitting in front of a computer fixing the "dont give a shit" music that took a half a day to record

      There are many talented musicians out there making great music.You just need to take time to find them.

    7. Re:dont care by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Again, you are not even looking. It sounds like you want music that sounds like its from another period - which lucky for you people are still making. What is it exactly you are looking for that you can't find?

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    8. Re:dont care by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      I think you just have to adapt. Looking through music at a curated record store was incredibly hard (and expensive!). If you were really lucky, you'd run into an employee who had the same tastes that you did (or at least understood your taste) and you were down $60 and a couple of weeks of repeat listening. Even if you hated the album on first play, you spend good money on it and damnit, you'd listen a couple of times. Sometimes, that record that you initially hated became a lifelong favorite.

      Now you do the same thing, but you either look in the comments for other like-minded people, or you let the competing algorithms have their way with you. Listen to a couple of cycles on Pandora without getting too aggressive on the skip and thumbs-down, and you'll probably hear some stuff that tickles your fancy. Spotify has thousands of curated playlists - you just need to find someone who likes similar music to yourself and let it fly. Both Spotify and YouTube have automatic recommendations, which I personally find a mixed bag, but sometimes there are some real gems.

      Is it time consuming? Yeah. But so was waiting for that perfect song to come on the radio to hit "record". So was calling in to the radio station. So was spending hours listening to Americas Top 40 every weekend. I suspect you are underestimating the amount of time you devoted to music as a kid.

      And even if you like older music, it's all out there waiting to be discovered. All the old stuff is on the 'net now, too, and there is no way you heard it all.

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    9. Re: dont care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, Megadeth's new album sounds good.

    10. Re:dont care by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      so you admit, music now is a disposable item worth nothing

    11. Re:dont care by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      refer to the title of the op

    12. Re:dont care by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      "Worth" is a funny word. If you mean monetary worth, then there isn't really much inherent value in music - at least not recorded or written music - thus the perceived need for copyright. If you mean worth as in, things I value (e.g. friends, family, hobbies, free time, etc.), then I'd say it is very valuable. I mean, look at all the people commenting here, at all the traditional media and websites devoted to music, at the hoards that attend concerts. I spend a very large amount of time listening to and discovering music, so to me it is "worth" quite a bit - even if I don't directly pay for it much at all.

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    13. Re:dont care by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      I mean, look at all the people commenting here

      you mean 58% less people here commenting about music than a rather dry healthcare hack?

    14. Re:dont care by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm not claiming it's the most valuable thing to all of humanity.

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    15. Re:dont care by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

      today its all the same polished to death generic flat loud noise no matter the genera or band

      You need to get out more.

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  8. No Lyrics Either by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    I can't believe it's 2017 and we have widespread adoption of digitally-distributed music but lyrics don't already come embedded, with time-codes.

    You'd think with all the plastic they're saving they could afford somebody to key in some time codes.

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    1. Re:No Lyrics Either by crow · · Score: 1

      Hear! Hear!

      There's no excuse for digital music not including lyrics, artwork, and whatever other information the artist thinks is interesting. That would be one advantage to buying digital music in the first place instead of buying CDs and ripping them (which many prefer to do).

      I suspect part of the problem is the container formats not supporting synchronized lyrics and such. With MP3, as I understand it, the tagging was an afterthought and is a bit of a hack. It works well enough for tags, but has some significant limitations. I'm not an expert on music formats, so I can't say whether this is a general problem, or if the purveyors of digital music just aren't bothering to do anything beyond simply ripping the CD.

    2. Re:No Lyrics Either by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      I suspect part of the problem is the container formats not supporting synchronized lyrics and such. With MP3, as I understand it, the tagging was an afterthought and is a bit of a hack. It works well enough for tags, but has some significant limitations. I'm not an expert on music formats, so I can't say whether this is a general problem, or if the purveyors of digital music just aren't bothering to do anything beyond simply ripping the CD.

      Well, MP3 is not a container format. A MP3 file is simply a stream of bytes. It's composed of smaller packets so a decoder can sync on to a MP3 packet for decoding, but other than that, there's no structure to it. You can take an MP3 file and chop it in the middle and have two playable parts (even if the cut was arbitrary).

      ID3 tags really end up being a form of packet, with the special caveat that nothing in the packet can look like an MP3 sync header and anything that gets close must be padded. so an MP3 decoder will not lock onto a ID3 tag body by mistake.

      Other formats like AAC are embedded in a QuickTime (or MPEG-4/MP4) container, which allows for metadata like lyrics and such to be added in and timestamped (QuickTime was designed for movies, so timestamping is a fundamental part of its format). There is no reason why you cannot create a lyric atom and embed that in a AAC for display by compatible players.

    3. Re:No Lyrics Either by schnell · · Score: 1

      There's no excuse for digital music not including lyrics

      In case you're interested, at least for lyrics, the actual reason is licensing.

      Look at a piece of sheet music and you'll notice that the writers of the music and the lyrics are credited separately. Both get a check when you buy a music recording, both of them get a royalty fee. But if you want to *read* the lyrics, then that's a separate check to the lyricist, just as if you were buying a piece of sheet music. It's a relic of the days when sheet music was much more popular (dating back to when more people enjoyed music by buying the sheet music and performing it at home than buying expensive radios or record players).

      So... Amazon, iTunes, Spotify or wherever you're getting your music from is OK paying the royalties for the sound recording but doesn't want to pay the extra royalty fee to get the lyrics/chords written down. Probably because most people don't care, they just want the cheaper music. I'm surprised that nobody (that I know of) has offered to sell the lyrics as an upcharge, but my guess is that they have focus grouped that with their customers and just found there isn't enough interest from people willing to pay for the lyrics.

      If you'd like to learn more, NPR's Planet Money did an awesome podcast a few years ago about exactly this topic, including an interview with musicians who spend their time trying to shut down Internet free lyrics sites for just this reason.

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  9. There is only one time an experiment fails. by sehlat · · Score: 1

    That time is when you learn nothing from it.

    If nothing else, we should have learned that the sacred album is as obsolete as the IBM 360.

  10. U O by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    Well,
    at those times a CD costed the equivalent of our days 30$
    Now they cost less than 10$
    And as I buy most of my music, hm ... actually all of it, on iTunes: I have most of the time a digital booklet.
    What was this article about again?

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  11. Vinyl LPs were best for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Honestly, the liner notes and cover art were only really good during the LP era. Cassettes and CDs were just too small to put much there.

  12. "Justified" the high price of CDs by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 2

    These booklets do satisfy music nerds. But for the most part, I think they were included as a way to try to justify the high price of CDs. After all, you were getting a lot more than just audio for 10 songs! Now that music has been decoupled from the CD medium, and people buy music a-la-carte, the motivation for spending the time and money to create the booklets (or some digital equivalent) is no longer there.

    1. Re:"Justified" the high price of CDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now that music has been decoupled from the CD medium, and people buy music a-la-carte, the motivation for spending the time and money to create the booklets (or some digital equivalent) is no longer there.

      Seriously? The internet is awash in content that is begging for someone, anyone(!) to pay attention. The amount of time (and by extension money) available is quite clearly bottomless. That, or it really doesn't take that much time, especially now that printing and distribution are relative non-issues.

    2. Re:"Justified" the high price of CDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quite a few acts I follow still offer liner notes, as a premium offering. So if you really want an LP with all the trimmings, you can get it. You'll pay $30+ dollars for it, but like you said, they have to pay for that work, and the only people who care are the serious fans who don't mind spending the case.

  13. They were done poorly by nine-times · · Score: 1

    According to Steve Jones, a distinguished professor of communications at University of Illinois at Chicago, the absence of digital booklets can be attributed to two things. First, given all of the different platforms on which people consume digital music, juggling the different template standards for each can be cumbersome. Second, people aren’t looking at digital booklets because we aren’t listening to albums like we used to. “You don’t bring it home in a container and listen to it and look at the sleeve, read the liner notes, et cetera,” said Jones. “You buy your music or stream it instantaneously, usually while you’re doing something else. The space in which one would have looked at the visuals has gone by the wayside.”

    I think these are good points, but there are a couple of other things we can point to. For one, the any creative effort or marketing money that would have gone into making booklets has most likely moved to crafting a social networking presence. Social networking is probably a more obvious method for connecting with fans and sharing information.

    However, I would guess that part of the problem is that early attempts at digital booklets were so poorly executed that it has poisoned the well. I remember a time shortly before MP3s really took off, and they had started putting this kind of information on a data section of the music CD. That is, if you bought a music CD and put it into a computer, it would show up as a data CD with a terrible Flash application that would auto-play. The apps were poorly thought-out, annoying, and often didn't even include the information that would be in the liner notes (e.g. lyrics). It often seemed like the booklets were only put in there so that the disc would be recognized as a data disc, making it harder to rip the disc and convert them to MP3s. (This was when the record industry was trying to prevent MP3s from becoming mainstream, arguing that it was illegal to rip CDs.)

    Over the years, I've only seen one attempt at this sort of thing that didn't seem horribly designed and stupid. A few years back, there was an iOS app for Bob Dylan that was meant to accompany a recently released anthology. It came with some free information, and then for each Bob Dylan album it detected on your device, it would unlock information about that album (or something like that). I don't think it's even available anymore, but I found a video of it.

    It wasn't perfect. The interface was still a little wonky in places, and it wasn't in some kind of universal format that you could view on any device. However, it was clear that someone had put in the effort to collect a bunch of photos and information, including various interviews and new content created for the app. They'd at least made an attempt to make an interesting design, and have it somehow connect with the music (e.g. you could listen to the music and it would show you the lyrics currently being played). At the very least, it was interesting enough, and had good enough content, that a fan might find it worthwhile enough to spend some time exploring. I haven't seen anything before or since that seemed like the people who made it had any interest in making it good.

  14. Re:MP3s? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

    Move with the times FLAC is SOOOOOO May 11th.

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  15. Re:MP3s? by thegreatbob · · Score: 1

    Touche.

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  16. Re:MP3s? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AAC is very similar to MP3, including technical . Perhaps (very slightly) incrementally better, but in the end a 128 kbps AAC will sound bad and a 256 kbps MP3 will sound good.

    I suggest you spend a couple minutes in the command line trying Opus. It is really impressive, more like the H264/H265 of sound codecs. Simply take a good wav or FLAC and try many bitrates, down to 32 kbps, 64kbps and 96 kbps.

  17. Words to the song by Archfeld · · Score: 1

    I used to love the liner notes. How else could I prove to my meathead friends that it wasn't Reverend Bluejeans...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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  18. Re:MP3s? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suggest you spend a couple minutes in the command line trying Opus.

    The problem with Opus is hardware support or lack thereof. I'd venture to say that FLAC is better supported in various embedded devices than Opus is. Hell you are still hard pressed to find devices that support Vorbis. Maybe someday Opus will have the support of MP3 or AAC. In the mean time...

  19. Wasted paper by DalM · · Score: 1

    How many people really cared about the cover art? I would look at it once to read the lyrics then it would disappear in my closet somewhere and the CD went into a book.

    1. Re:Wasted paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many people really cared about the cover art?

      Found the Iron Maiden non-fan!

  20. metadata: Discogs, MusicBrainz, Wikipedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not to mention all the album & cover art sites

    foobar2000 has so many tagging and scripting options in this regard that I'm overwhelmed with info, if I want it

    just saying

  21. Re:MP3s? by spire3661 · · Score: 2

    MP3 has no patent encumbrances or licensing fees....

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  22. Just like DVDs/Bluray discs with Behind The Scenes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just like DVDs/Bluray discs with Behind The Scenes content.

    95% of the world doesn't care at all for any release extras.

    That leaves 5% who might care, but only for a few specific releases.

    If this were Apple deciding, they'd stop bothering unless Steve demanded it. Limit the choices to not confuse anyone. Not worth the effort for the tiny subset of people who actually care.

    DVD rentals have dropped the behind the scenes stuff for years. Instead they add 30 minutes of mandatory previews for movies you don't care to see (usually).

    So ... album extras - provide a link so any mistakes in the rush to meet release dates can easily be fixed.

    The only time I care about lyrics is when someone points out that I'm singing the wrong words to a song. If they don't point it out, then it doesn't matter.

  23. Re:MP3s? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree. I about never use embedded devices to listen to music though. If I do, that will be mostly for the FM radio. One I have also plays MP3 CDs, has an old style iPod dock (new iPod/iPhone connector came the same year I think!), jack input, USB drive input (maybe not).

    What I dislike is that the CD/radio/MP3 combo devices like that don't support DVD-R (it's easier to find DVD-RW or DVD-R for sale than CD-R or CD-RW, and they're a lot cheaper per megabyte I think). Might have gone for procuring an untaxed pile of DVD-R, actually connecting the optical drive that's in my PC tower, and burning things like it's 2002.

    So : I don't really have anything to play "computer-less" music anyway.
    I know, my little use cases aren't that interesting for everyone ;)

    Opus is used for audio conferencing and on soundtrack of some recent youtube videos, so I believe it ought to be supported on recent stuff.
    Smartphones both are embedded and non embedded. I have a friend not able to play ogg or wma (don't remember which) but it's a general purpose computer and it's possible to install player software that will play anything. Only the battery life will suffer.

  24. Re: MP3s? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Japan the tapes are digital you dumbnut.

  25. Re: MP3s? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, like any of you basement dwelling fuckheads know a thing about japan.

  26. I want a whole digital album standard by steveha · · Score: 1

    I've posted this before, on Slashdot, but I can't find it now. I very much want to see a standard digital album format. Something simple and open, like a zip file with a standard folder structure and files easy to find within it.

    I want high-resolution images of the album art, the original liner notes in both EPUB and PDF format, lyrics (ideally with optional time marks so that the lyrics can be displayed properly as the song plays) and room for extras. Like, I once saw a GIF of the cover of Wish You Were Here with an animation so the flames looked like they were burning... what the heck, let's have the album art optionally moving.

    If I have a home entertainment system hooked up to a large screen in my living room, the album art can show while the music plays.

    The old beautiful album art? I want to see it bigger than ever and in digital quality. I'd love to look at the details in the cover of The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.

    I figured Apple would have done this by now, and it would be patented and locked down and only work right on an AppleTV. But nobody has done it.

    Heck, if this was done properly, I might be willing to buy again some albums I bought on CD and ripped, just because I can afford it and the extras would be nice.

    And it would be interesting to see new albums designed from the start to be in this format, doing things I'm not clever enough to dream about yet.

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  27. Re:MP3s? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It did have both of those though. Given time, AAC won't have any either. In the meantime, AAC is better than MP3 at the same bitrate.

  28. There is a perfect substitute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...that I used often called Wikipedia.

  29. PDF by sixsixtysix · · Score: 1

    Why can't they just include a pdf of the booklet?

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  30. Re:MP3s? by ayesnymous · · Score: 1

    So what's the best lossless format nowadays?

  31. You want Matroska by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can do all that with Matroska files. (And I suspect many other containers might be flexible enough too, though I'm less familiar with them.) I don't personally know of any players that will easily show you a PDF or EPUB embedded in the file while you're playing it, but if people were to start putting stuff like that in, it'd be pretty easy to add that to the players.

    Everything else, though, you have that right now, today. There's a good chance you already have the software installed. If Apple patents it, there's already many years of prior art, widely deployed and used by millions of people for about a decade and a half (or possibly longer).