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Why Amanda Palmer Left the Music 'Industry' For Crowdfunding (digitaltrends.com)

Amanda Palmer says abandoning the commercial music industry for a subscription model made it possible to take more chances, like a new album with psychedelia artist Edward Ka-Spel. An anonymous reader quotes Digital Trends: I spent my whole life in this music industry trying to figure out how to sell what I'm making. But I don't "sell" anymore -- I just have this magical net of supporters who are supporting me whether I choose to make a record with Edward or make a record with my dad, which I did last year... [S]ometimes, you absolutely want to do ridiculous, noncommercial stuff. The Patreon patrons have been a godsend in that sense. I've had to continually re-educate myself that this isn't about selling music. It's about making music. I got so used to those two being inseparable that it took a lot of psychological work to divorce the processes.
She says her supporters "haven't just promised; they've put down their credit card." And Neil Gaiman, her husband, also strongly endorses the freedom to experiment. "If, as an artist, you ever listen to your fans' demands, and their demands are always insisting you make the last thing they liked again, you would go nowhere."

105 comments

  1. Also helps having a super famous writer husband by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not having financial worries kinda helps with the whole escaping the music industry thing.

    1. Re:Also helps having a super famous writer husband by TWX · · Score: 4, Informative

      Regardless of who her husband is, she achieved a degree of commercial success prior to this change, which means that she has managed to build enough audience to make transitioning to crowdfunding easier. Obviously being a signed act isn't the only way to build that audience, but it certainly has its advantages.

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    2. Re:Also helps having a super famous writer husband by jpatters · · Score: 1

      She was married to PGA Tour pro Arnold Palmer...

      False. I could link to wikipedia, but seriously, if you feel the need to look it up yourself, that is easy enough.

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    3. Re:Also helps having a super famous writer husband by pinzvidz · · Score: 1

      She was married to PGA Tour pro Arnold Palmer

      I've seen plenty of people type shit on /. but you take the fucking cake.

    4. Re:Also helps having a super famous writer husband by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahhhh that explains the really condescending tone-shift to how her husband "supports" this endeavour. For a moment I thought I was reading Lifetime TV dialogue.

      captcha: "misuse"

    5. Re:Also helps having a super famous writer husband by Shoten · · Score: 0

      Regardless of who her husband is, she achieved a degree of commercial success prior to this change, which means that she has managed to build enough audience to make transitioning to crowdfunding easier. Obviously being a signed act isn't the only way to build that audience, but it certainly has its advantages.

      I'm not sure how much success constitutes a "degree" to you, but I've never heard of her any my tastes in music range pretty far and wide. And as for ease of transitioning to crowdfunding...if she's terrible and can't keep a record deal, then trading on the coattails of her husband in a crowdfunding model (instead of having to demonstrate her own talents to a record company) would be a lot easier, indeed.

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    6. Re:Also helps having a super famous writer husband by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also helps having a super famous writer husband

      Amanda Palmer's patreon page shows she gets over $41000 in donations per release.

      I can't seem to locate Neil Gaiman's patreon page for any sort of comparison.

    7. Re:Also helps having a super famous writer husband by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      but I've never heard of her

      You can't possibly believe that there are no successful artists that you haven't heard of.

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    8. Re:Also helps having a super famous writer husband by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She should just name her band "Neil Gaiman's wife" and be done with it. :P

    9. Re:Also helps having a super famous writer husband by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I've never heard of her any my tastes in music range pretty far and wide.

      The Dresden Dolls aren't exactly a household name, but if you have a wide range of musical taste, you should certainly have heard something by them.

      (There's your News for Nerds angle: robotics)

    10. Re:Also helps having a super famous writer husband by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > She was married to PGA Tour pro Arnold Palmer

      She was better when she was performing with Stuart Emerson and Ricki Lake.

    11. Re:Also helps having a super famous writer husband by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      There are thousands of artists I never have heard of.
      Amanda Palma, I only know the name, for one particular reason: a female student in my Aikido Dojo has a crush on her. And she told me about her because I was talking about 'American Gods', a book of Neil.
      Actually I don't know how she looks like (neither do I know about Neil, nor can I remember his surname (Stevenson?) ), I don't know what kind of music she makes ... nor do I care.
      But I likely continue to by Neils books ... and perhaps I stumble over music by Almanda ...

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    12. Re:Also helps having a super famous writer husband by dprimary · · Score: 1

      She is obviously exploiting her marriage to someone I have never heard of. Working with Edward Ka-Spel it far more notable.

    13. Re:Also helps having a super famous writer husband by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Thanks once again for reaffirming that your lack of knowledge on a given topic will not stop you from commenting. Keep up the good work!

    14. Re:Also helps having a super famous writer husband by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If this really is BeauHD, you're completely reconfirming my idea that you're a complete and total fucking idiot.

    15. Re:Also helps having a super famous writer husband by scubamage · · Score: 1

      She had a successful music career in the Dresden Dolls before they were married.

    16. Re:Also helps having a super famous writer husband by bmo · · Score: 1

      > I don't know what kind of music she makes ... nor do I care.

      I'm going to inform you anyway.

      If you want a Top40 reference, she is the lead singer of the Dresden Dolls.

      >don't know who Dresden Dolls are

      Unless you listen to only jazz and classical, I can't believe you got through the Oughts without hearing them.

      Coin Operated Boy:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      But then maybe you prefer something older:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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    17. Re:Also helps having a super famous writer husband by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Considering my tastes, I can honestly tell you I had no clue who this was. I want to say I've heard of the Dresden Dolls, but I'd be lying. Goo Goo Dolls, certainly, After clicking your oh so helpful link, I can say I understand why, I'd rather be rickrolled.

      The only reason I even looked into this topic was because I was curious why someone I'd never even heard an inkling of was generating a front-page story. I guess we know who David likes.

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    18. Re:Also helps having a super famous writer husband by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Actually I don't listen to music anymore since years.
      Unless a band plays in my favourite pub ...
      Jazz is one of my preferred forms, yes.

      My CDs I gave to my father and my iTunes music I probably should delete, did not listen to any song since ages.

      Dresden Dolls, I heard about when I googled her name yesterday. She indeed has a strange idea about eye brows :D

      First song is funny, second one can not be played in Germany ... one of the reasons why I no longer bother with "music from the industry".

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    19. Re:Also helps having a super famous writer husband by rochrist · · Score: 1

      You never heard of Neil Gaiman? Wow, that's some level of ignorance to be bragging about.

    20. Re:Also helps having a super famous writer husband by mfnickster · · Score: 1

      On a geek site, you lose cred for not knowing who Neil Gaiman is.

      For the world at large, "Neil Who?" should probably be expected from probably >99% of people you survey. He's not exactly a household name.

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    21. Re:Also helps having a super famous writer husband by rochrist · · Score: 1

      I'd take that bet. I think he's far more of a household name than you do. Comics, movies, tv shows including one airing right now that's been heavily promoted, bestselling books, children's books. A lot closer to household name than not.

    22. Re:Also helps having a super famous writer husband by baubo · · Score: 1

      Donald, is that you?

    23. Re:Also helps having a super famous writer husband by mfnickster · · Score: 1

      I took an informal poll at my workplace this morning. Zero out of ten people have heard of Neil Gaiman. I'll ask ten more and if even one person recognizes the name, I'll be willing to concede that he's "relatively well known." :)

      P.S. I'm in Minnesota, so theoretically his name recognition should be marginally higher here!

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    24. Re:Also helps having a super famous writer husband by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You never heard of Neil Gaiman? Wow, that's some level of ignorance to be bragging about.

      Or just one of today's lucky 10,000

  2. OK, who's going to be the USA's Medici family? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please step forward... not so fast, Mr. Allen...

  3. Who? by Nutria · · Score: 0, Troll

    I had to google her, and am now:
    1) glad that I'd never heard of her, and
    2) sad that I "discovered" her.

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    1. Re:Who? by rmdingler · · Score: 3, Informative
      She's not all bad.

      She spoke at a TED talk recently and she's for the free sharing of digital content.

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    2. Re:Who? by Nutria · · Score: 0, Troll

      she's for the free sharing of digital content.

      But is the guy who's money she lives off of for the free sharing of his work?

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    3. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who cares?

      New Ka-Spel album!!!!

    4. Re:Who? by Cederic · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      I can see why google search results wouldn't necessarily convey a lot of why her fans love her, and her musical output is so broad that it's easy to find things you're not impressed by.

      I've been to see her perform twice and I find her a fascinating person and artist.

      A lot of the stuff she produces doesn't work for me but she's always entertaining, has stupendous audience engagement and I love her strong independence.

    5. Re:Who? by Cederic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What the fuck makes you think she's living off his money? She was a successful artist filling concert halls on international tours before she even met Neil.

    6. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact remains that she thought that professional musicians should want to work for her for no pay...

      http://kotaku.com/5943112/amanda-palmer-asks-musicians-to-play-for-free-pisses-off-musicians

    7. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone makes stupid mistakes at one time or another. In the end, she explained what she was thinking and agreed to pay all the volunteers.

    8. Re:Who? by Nutria · · Score: 1

      I disagree with the notion that a strong, independent woman needs to tattoo (what looks like) barbed wire eyebrow replacements as her statement of that putative strong independence.

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    9. Re:Who? by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 2

      At this stage, you, me, and Editor David are about the only people who HAVEN'T given a TED talk, and mine's booked for late October...

    10. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've got to discriminate between TED talks and TEDx talks.

      TED talks are usually insightful information imparted by a noted expert in their field.

      TEDx talks are basically a grab bag of "Learning Annex" courses with a TED label slapped on them.

    11. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      > Last TED talk I saw was by a professional pickpocketer.

      The last Kickstarter project I saw was was by a professional pickpocketer.

      Come to think of it, most of them are!

    12. Re:Who? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I disagree with the notion that a strong, independent woman needs to tattoo (what looks like) barbed wire eyebrow replacements as her statement of that putative strong independence.

      Hey! She has every right to make herself look stupid and trashy. Not knowing who she was, I did a web search. BWAHAHAHA! It ain't cool if people laugh at what you think is cool, Amanda.

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    13. Re:Who? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Those aren't tattoos, they're just make-up.

      I think it's less a statement of independence and more just something she's been doing since she was 22 and has turned into a pseudo-trademark. Amanda with hairy eyebrows would not be AFP.

    14. Re:Who? by Nutria · · Score: 1

      She has every right to blah blah blah

      Point to where I said that she did not have the right to do that.

      Better yet... explain how in your pea-fucking left-wing shit-head brain that "I disagree with" morphs into "she has no right to".

      Asshole.

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    15. Re:Who? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You've got to discriminate between TED talks and TEDx talks.

      TED talks are usually insightful information imparted by a noted expert in their field.

      I did. He was a very good pickpocketer. Can't say I've ever seen a TEDx talk.

    16. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of us like musicians who are known for their music.

    17. Re:Who? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      She has every right to blah blah blah

      Point to where I said that she did not have the right to do that.

      You said nothing pf the sort. Tell me honey, are you this utterly sensitive in real life? Have such insecurity when someone makes a simple statement that you immediately jump to an unwarranted and completly wrong conclusion that I am insulting you or even disagreeing with you?

      Better yet... explain how in your pea-fucking left-wing shit-head brain that "I disagree with" morphs into "she has no right to".

      Asshole.

      You take a simple reply the first part of which I simply make a statement about people who get tattoos, the second part which was agreeing with you in different words and turn it into such a massive insult to you, such an impugnment upon your character that you launch onto a parade of insults toward me that simply reflect on the true issue here that there is something seriously Wrong With You!

      Allow me to be perfectly frank and serious with you, based upon my experiences in life on a professional and personal level. Your response to a posting by me me that was in fact, agreeing with your basic premise about the woman - was not indicative of a person who is experiencing life in a normal manner. I have no idea if you were just having a bad day, and needed to lash out at someone, or more to my concern, that you are perhaps an untreated schizophrenic, and possibly are going through a psychotic break. I am serious - your reaction was so out of place that you might consider at least talking to someone about what is bothering you.

      Or you can just call me some more names, and feel better about yourself for a little while. But those sort of issues do tend to get worse over time.

      I certainly meant no ill toward you in my post, nor even disagreement. Peace out, Brother.

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    18. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She was a successful artist filling concert halls on international tours before she even met Neil.

      Cite?

      I've seen her filling nothing more than an a club.

    19. Re:Who? by MrDiablerie · · Score: 1

      Cite?

      I've seen her filling nothing more than an a club.

      While her band by itself probably hasn't, when The Dresden Dolls opened for Nine Inch Nails during the With Teeth tour they were playing huge venues. They had a pretty big following during the mid-2000s.

    20. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So she filled concert halls with NIN fans there to see NIN. Got it.

    21. Re: Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She also played multiple big festivals with mainstream media broadcasting her set specifically. And newsflash, there's thousands of musicians that live off of their music, you don't have to be Rolling Stones.

    22. Re:Who? by rochrist · · Score: 1

      Well there you go. That's all that counts. Is she fuckable enough??

    23. Re:Who? by Do+You+Smell+That · · Score: 1

      ...and some (this guy) now listen to her more than Mr Reznor. Learn about new bands, listen to their music, then decide if they're sellouts/shills/coat-tail riders. Doing it the other way around shows more that you want to be right than you want to experience life and make optimal choices with the information you've acquired. I happen to not like much of her recent stuff, but the first 3-4 albums were fantastic (a few Dresden Dolls, then solo).

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  4. Marillion was first by TheLongshot · · Score: 4, Informative

    Funny that they keep going back to Amanda Palmer for these stories, when the real pioneers in crowd-funded music is Marillion, who started doing it way back in 1996 for tours, and 2001 for albums. If you have a big enough fan base, you can probably can do something like this.

    1. Re:Marillion was first by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Marillion still existed in 1996? I thought they did four albums and disappeared in the 1980s.

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    2. Re:Marillion was first by TheLongshot · · Score: 1

      Nope. They may have changed lead singers, but they have continuously made albums. Look them up sometime.

    3. Re:Marillion was first by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I suppose one of them was a concept album inspired by the Matrix sequels?

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    4. Re:Marillion was first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a hoot at parties, aren't you?

    5. Re:Marillion was first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose one of them was a concept album inspired by the Matrix sequels?

      Why would you think that?

    6. Re:Marillion was first by GrumpySteen · · Score: 2

      Nothing funny about it. She just released an album, so the music press wants to interview her about it. Marillion's last album is long past the interview cycle, so the press isn't chasing them for interviews.

    7. Re:Marillion was first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AFAIK the keyboardist is also a bit of computer nerd - uses soft synths on a laptop (running Linux) rather than lugging hardware around live.

    8. Re:Marillion was first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He saw 'Marillion' and thought 'Merovingian.'

    9. Re:Marillion was first by scubamage · · Score: 1

      Well, it makes sense, considering she literally has been pushing for this kind of funding for the arts, and even has a Ted talk and book about it.

  5. I wonder how they have been taken over by lawyers by yuhong · · Score: 1

    I wonder how Hollywood and the music industry have been taken over by lawyers in the first place.

  6. Why is industry in quotes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is industry in quotes? Whether you like them or not, the collection of music companies are a fucking industry. It makes the stupid article and summary even more full of pretentious shit.

    1. Re:Why is industry in quotes? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      At least he didn't put [sic] after it, which seems to be a growing trend. Fortunately, it isn't growing in a literally exponential way.

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    2. Re:Why is industry in quotes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be a lot more accurate to enclose it in parenthesis. Music (((Industry))).

  7. Re:I wonder how they have been taken over by lawye by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you think about how many lawyers and Hollywood moguls are jews, it starts making sense.

  8. Never mind the... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...bollocks, Amanda Palmer's already famous, got an Indy/punk followingâ, and is financially independent. So how many bands or artists can we name who started out and continued without music corp backing?

  9. How is this news for nerds??? by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 0

    This is more like news for nouveau arty farty obscure musicians. Just because the words "crowd funding" is included, doesn't mean it has any technical or science connotation.

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    1. Re:How is this news for nerds??? by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

      It's only news for nerds because her husband is a famous science fiction author, which again, puts everything else in a different context.

  10. Re:I wonder how they have been taken over by lawye by KiloByte · · Score: 1

    Just like cpl. Hicks has a nice solution for all systemd, Oracle, Microsoft and Apple problems, in this case let's listen to The Bard.

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  11. Be careful, Amanda Palmer by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Funny

    Your cousin Laura tried walking her own path, and ended up wrapped in plastic.

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    1. Re:Be careful, Amanda Palmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where is the option to mod "-1 Edgy"?

  12. Re: Also helps having a super famous writer husban by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Must have been walnut cake, because he's fucking nuts.

  13. Who the fuck is Amanda Palmer?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    never mind, I don't give a shit

    1. Re:Who the fuck is Amanda Palmer?? by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

      She is Neil Gaiman's wife, and when you realize that it puts the whole rest of it in a new, proper context.

    2. Re:Who the fuck is Amanda Palmer?? by hey! · · Score: 0

      And she's exactly what you'd imagine Neil Gaiman's wife to be. The argument that people are "only" interested in her because she's married to Gaiman is kind of self-defeating.

      The argument that she is not really "successful" depends on your definition of "successful". Knowledge of Taylor Swift is compulsory in our culture, and it's true that if that is your benchmark for "success" Palmer has never been successful, even with marrying Gaiman. But before she met Gaiman she had a cult following and was able to support herself with her work. That

      Would you rather have Palmer's kind of "success" doing what you want, or Swift's kind of "success" doing Swift's kind of work? If you want to do Swift's kind of work, it's not a dilemma. But if you want to do the kind of stuff Palmer is doing, it's not really a dilemma either.

      For some people success is being able to do what they want.

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    3. Re:Who the fuck is Amanda Palmer?? by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

      >> For some people success is being able to do what they want.

      No question. And it is so, so much easier to do what you want when you are married to a very wealthy spouse. The suburbs around NYC are jam-packed with galleries and concert venues featuring the artwork and "one woman shows" created by happy, "successful" artists who are enabled to do what they want by virtue of the size of their spouse's paycheck.

    4. Re:Who the fuck is Amanda Palmer?? by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      Knowledge of Taylor Swift is compulsory in our culture, and it's true that if that is your benchmark for "success" Palmer has never been successful, even with marrying Gaiman.

      I don't know much at all about Taylor Swift. I hear her mentioned from time to time, but I wouldn't recognize it as Taylor Swift singing a song if I heard it.

      Gaiman I remember because I was buying the Sandman comix when they came out. In fact, buying them at Dreamhaven in Minneapolis, the town that he ended up emigrating to. I have not been that impressed with his post-Sandman work, though he is a gifted and important artist. He strip-mines folklore and re-interprets it for a modern audience of people who didn't receive a Classical education.

      The important question is always "where's the music" and if it's an artist worth listening to, the music exceeds their person-hood and name-recognition is just an aid the next time you are looking for something new to listen to.

      The fact that she's working with Edward is a good sign, of course.

    5. Re:Who the fuck is Amanda Palmer?? by hey! · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, your argument depends on chronology. Palmer had her first record out years before she met Gaiman, and that was after she had directed her first play and had developed a local cult following. Gaiman was actually a fan before he was introduced to her.

      Which is not to say there aren't rich dilettante women making a "career" out of spending their husbands' fortunes, but to fit Palmer into that mold you have to throw out the facts.

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    6. Re:Who the fuck is Amanda Palmer?? by deek · · Score: 1

      Who is "Taylor Swift"? Is he a musician?

      Yes, I am joking ;). Though I would like to say that I enjoy listening to The Dresden Dolls, which makes them, for me, more of a success than Swift-y, and helps prove your point.

  14. Re:Either crowdfund, or be married to a rich dude by Cederic · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wait. No. Could it be that being married to a rich famous person means you don't have to worry shit about money, and can do stuff you like anyway?

    Look, Neil was successful before he married Amanda. It's not her income that lets him experiment, he makes his own contribution.

  15. The Exploitative Amanda Palmer??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The one who wanted people to work for nothing?

    http://kotaku.com/5943112/amanda-palmer-asks-musicians-to-play-for-free-pisses-off-musicians

  16. Moderation errors by mrclevesque · · Score: 2

    Fixed

  17. Neil Gaiman has half of a point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "If, as an artist, you ever listen to your fans' demands, and their demands are always insisting you make the last thing they liked again, you would go nowhere."

    On the one hand it sounds like Gaiman has experience with this because he's gone nowhere, but on the other hand I can't imagine that the Standard Gaiman Protagonist who's constantly stunned at the world around him and given exposition by a strong woman who's stronger than him but wants to sleep with him anyway is something his fans insisted he keep making.

    1. Re:Neil Gaiman has half of a point by doom · · Score: 2

      Way back near the end of his Sandman run, Neil Gaiman showed us what he thought of us fans with "Nybbas the Spider". He may have thought this was a cute bit of nose-thumbing at us obnoxious fanboys or some-such, but me, I concluded he was in over his head and had no idea what to do with the vein of material he had been mining, and I pretty much ignored him ever since [1]. Far be it from me to deny him his freedom to experiment, but why would I bother with those experiments compared to the millions of others out there in the world?

      Amanda Palmer has done an excellent job of showing the potential for crowd-funding, provided you happen to be a pretty young woman who's weirdly extroverted and enjoys telling heart-warming, personal stories to an audience of thousands of people.

      [1] Actually, there was a movie with a Gaiman script out some years back that I actually went to see, because it also had Dave McKean artwork... I remember thinking "Well, Dave McKean held up his end.".

  18. Who is this Lora palmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never heard of her.

  19. Mmm . . . No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never been a fan, not even back in the old days. Most people I know in independent music think of her as something of a clown, too. Independent music has been around for a great many decades, she rides coat tails (it probably doesn't hurt that she married the most famous author on earth) more than she blazes trails. And for myself: I just honestly don't think she's that *good*. There is a treasure trove of better independent music from the 60s going all the way through the present, of which she is not even a tiny part.

    1. Re:Mmm . . . No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > it probably doesn't hurt that she married the most famous author on earth

      She left Neil Gaiman for Stephen King???

    2. Re:Mmm . . . No. by tepples · · Score: 1

      it probably doesn't hurt that she married the most famous author on earth

      Since when did J. K. Rowling get gay married?

  20. Re:I wonder how they have been taken over by lawye by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AP working around dead nodes within and without the broken system--your actin like a SJW what you want her to do?

    You want to quote me?
    "Currently, She's a success period. "

    Now it's off to the woodshed with kilobyte for projecting Linux problems on AP.

    devuun I would hop with your dangling bodyports over there study moar shool: fravia's art of seek0r and ~/serch?=
    AP doesn't publish any fixes at kernel.org
    I haven't seen the 5% off code for AP's latest album on kernel.org, you know that place that I SHOP for all my MUSIC at.

    MOAR SERCHING

  21. Because music isn't always made in a factory by tepples · · Score: 1

    Is music always produced in a factory and delivered to "consumers"? If not, "industry" might not be the ideal term.

  22. #Badda Badda BADDA badda# by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    "If, as an artist, you ever listen to your fans' demands, and their demands are always insisting you make the last thing they liked again, you would go nowhere."

    Hey, it worked for Status Quo.

    --
    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  23. Re:Either crowdfund, or be married to a rich dude by scubamage · · Score: 1

    Sh was a successful musician before she ever married her husband thanks to the Dresden Dolls. That you automatically assume a woman married to a famous man is successful only because of the man in her life is pretty damn sexist.

  24. Ah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wish I was Amanda Palmer. I am an envious girl who constantly measures herself against everyone fabulous she learns about online, and I've decided Amanda Palmer is who I want to be.

  25. Re: Also helps having a super famous writer husban by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Dresden Dolls were a big thing way before she married him.

  26. Re:I wonder how they have been taken over by lawye by rochrist · · Score: 1

    When you think about how many anonymous cowards are idiot assholes, you start to make sense.