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UK Group Fights Arrest Over Refusing To Surrender Passwords At The Border (theguardian.com)
An anonymous reader quotes The Guardian:
The human rights group Cage is preparing to mount a legal challenge to UK anti-terrorism legislation over a refusal to hand over mobile and laptop passwords to border control officials at air terminals, ports and international rail stations... The move comes after its international director, Muhammad Rabbani, a UK citizen, was arrested at Heathrow airport in November for refusing to hand over passwords. Rabbani, 35, has been detained at least 20 times over the past decade when entering the UK, under schedule 7 of terrorism legislation that provides broad search powers, but this was the first time he had been arrested... On previous occasions, when asked for his passwords, he said he had refused and eventually his devices were returned to him and he was allowed to go. But there was a new twist this time: when he refused to reveal his passwords, he was arrested under schedule 7 provisions of the terrorism act and held overnight at Heathrow Polar Park police station before being released on bail. He expects to be charged on Wednesday.
Rabbani "argues that the real objective...is not stopping terrorists entering the UK, but as a tool to build up a huge data bank on thousands of UK citizens." And his position drew support from Jim Killock, executive director of the UK-based Open Rights Group. "Investigations should take place when there is actual suspicion, and the police should be able to justify their actions on that basis, rather than using wide-ranging powers designed for border searches."
Rabbani "argues that the real objective...is not stopping terrorists entering the UK, but as a tool to build up a huge data bank on thousands of UK citizens." And his position drew support from Jim Killock, executive director of the UK-based Open Rights Group. "Investigations should take place when there is actual suspicion, and the police should be able to justify their actions on that basis, rather than using wide-ranging powers designed for border searches."
He's a muslim, I'd rather they are careful now rather than sorry later.
It's well known that Muslims all speak about terrorism in their muslim language, and all frequent secret muslim forums where they espouse hated against the west. It's the muslim food that does it, it brain washes them, ISIS is really a pork deficiency. They should rub pork in their faces and see if they explode, as terrorists have a habit of doing.
Look, you were obviously trolling, but it comes down to people of the troll character you portray making random choices based on their prejudices not any kind of logic or reason. They stop using the anti terror legislation because that's the hammer they have, so everyone is a claimed terrorist in order to be able to get passwords to search for erm, terrorist plans, and terrorist spreadsheets and terrorist power point slides.
And he's refused before so he's flagged, and they'll keep trying till a suitable time, and that will establish their right to search EVERYONE's laptop at the border as 'terrorist prevention'.
But this is now how laws are made, it's how they're made in the UK. The police decide they want some power, they have mass surveillance, arbitrary arrest powers, search without warrant, and nobody really tackles them. The City of London police expand laws in IP beyond any Parliament created laws, the anti terror police arrest random brown people and hire foreign hackers. Only a terrorist would stop them... right?
This type of policy won't do anything to impede terrorists. At best you'll get the low-hanging fruit of a few guilty-minded people looking for an excuse to be stopped, but I have a feeling that rarely happens. The dumbest terrorists will simply wipe anything incriminating off their phone before traveling (or not keep anything incriminating on their phone in the first place), or keep everything locked behind an app that customs is unlikely to ask for the password to. Smarter terrorists will stash a SIM on them, or carry no phone and buy a burner when they reach their destination, or have a phone shipped to them. The smartest terrorists will use no phones at all, and then SIGINT is of no help; you need old-fashioned boots on the ground to catch those.
I'm skeptical that searching these people's phones (who already seem to be on some kind of list) is an attempt to create a 'huge data bank on thousands of UK citizens.' First, a database with info on thousands of people isn't 'huge', this isn't 1980 anymore. Second, the UK govt. presumably ALREADY has data on these thousands of people... leading to them being put on the 'search their phone' list. I find it more likely that one of the main purposes is 'intimidation', sending a message of 'we have our all-seeing eye on you', along with a not-so-subtle message of "you're not welcome here." It seems the UK is giving in to Islamophobia recently, I hear.
Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
It's hardly random, to catch some sort of low hanging fruit.
"Rabbani, who studied economics at the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London, joined Cage five years ago as managing director. In August last year, he became international director, a role that includes helping investigations of torture victims."
If you keep arresting an anti-torture charity managing director and keep demanding his passwords, obviously you want information related to his work. This hardly looks random or even terrorist related. More he's investigated some company with political or police connections back in the UK.
Privacy issues aside, I object to this whole idea for the simple reason that governments governments have proven themselves rather inept at safeguarding even some of their most valuable information. Some of the CIA and NSA's "crown jewels" are currently freely available on the internet (and gave rise to the Wana ransomware). The TSA in the US has a track record of being a bunch of bumbling fuck-ups with a bad IT security track record. Placing account info for millions of private citizens into the hands of people like this is just asking for it to be hacked. It's not a matter of it, it's when.
And I've seen it suggested here and other places that people can just setup fake accounts and use those. That's not going to make it past even a cursory screening. If an account is new it's going to be flagged. If a good percentage of your friend's accounts are new, it's going to be flagged. If you don't post or a good percentage of your friends don't post your going to be flagged. Setting up a proper "legacy" on social media would take years... it's not something that you can just churn out unless you have a means to fake post dates on Facebook, Twitter, etc timelines. This is not something the average person is going to have the time or the means to do and all these companies already have mechanisms in place to spot these types of accounts because they are basically "bots". What turns the logic of this wholesale data grab on it's head is it is something that an organized terrorist group would be able to do. The 9/11 attacks were several years in the making, plenty of time for an organized group of people to establish a legitimate looking social media presence. Intelligence agencies have to have already figured this out which means this is either security theater or they want the data for other reasons.
The point between when you leave one country and enter another is a very scary legal limbo. The issue is not what you are mandated to provide, the issue is that there is no recourse to reasonable justice should you disagree with border officials.
*** Don't be dull.***
I mean, he shares his name with one of the main leaders of the Taliban movement. What else should he expect, even if the Afghan Rabbani has been dead for 16 years, it's still best to make sure.
In reality, the reason is probably because he was the managing director of CAGE, which ostensibly is a civil rights organisation, but has been accused of being apologists for terrorism. Which ever is true, it's not going to be popular with the UK security services.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
And on the Eighth Day, Man created God.
People that think such requests for device passwords only is applied to muslims are wrong. It is completely randomly selection.
(what they make you believe of course)
Thank God I had an Irish grandfather.
This allows me an Irish passport.
This means I can continue it live and work in the EU - and so not be forced back into the UK to live under this Government of whom I so profoundly disapprove.
When asked to provide the password. Change the password first and give them this new password.
When you get the device back, change the password.
... to root my machine before I reset my password.
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Have you read about this Cage group? There seem to be many shadows around them http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new... For Cage is no collection of isolated loonies. As The Telegraph will describe here, it is part of a closely connected network of extremists relentlessly — and successfully — lying to young British Muslims that they are hated and persecuted by their fellow citizens in order to make them into supporters of terror. Cage has an active outreach programme in mosques, universities and community groups. Even more disturbingly, it continues to be treated as a credible partner by respected and respectable organisations, including Liberty and Amnesty International.
The laptop searches are necessary for the protection of the British people from the evils of illegally obtained Britney Spears songs. Anti-terror laws should really, really applied to such cases. For the British people!
ANYTHING owned by "Facefarm" and the billion fellow idiots with a biometric riddled account would like to know. The AI they're developing keeps asking about it. It's like when kindergarteners go to the police station as a "field trip" that ends with "fun" fingerprinting, except for adults. Because you know, Facebook and other social media make forfeiting privacy "fun." But, as long as common strangers don't have access, I guess that makes it ok. Nope, that's nothing more than a peekaboo game as far as anyone that really wants your data is concerned.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11442602/Cage-the-extremists-peddling-lies-to-British-Muslims-to-turn-them-into-supporters-of-terror.html
OK, so now its clearly IS evidence fishing based on politics.
If there was actual evidence then there would be an actual search warrant on that evidence. I can see the Telegraph stories you cite, but they're just press hatchet jobs, hearsay from a neocon group, and a laughably contrived claim of 'gitmo compensation donated to Cage', story from ass.
But that just confirms the political nature of the claim here. You can't go to court and cite that as evidence because even a cursory logic check fails it.
If I wanted to smuggle 16GB of data into the UK the easiest way I could imagine would be to copy it on to my phone and fly it there on the a plane.
Never trust a man in a blue trench coat, Never drive a car when you're dead
Ad hominem much? I guess that means you can't rebut the actual claim.
The entire point of the wolves and sheep comment is that the majority should not be able to overrule the basic rights of the minority due to mob mentality. That's why all of the blue states should have no right to remove individuals' gun rights any more than red states should remove the ability for people to have benefits based on their proclivity to pair with a particular gender of their own desire. Capisce?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution
The greatest mass murderers in history are atheists, in the name of their own selfish ideology. Religious belief in anything supernatural is simply the same placeholder. Checkmate.
As the mega-rich and powerful gather more wealth and power, by exploiting the common people, they are also significantly increasing the surveillance of the same common people.
They know that when you concentrate too much power at the top, uprisings will start from the bottom. So they're increasing surveillance, in the hopes of being able to curb these uprisings before they happen, by strategic arrests and by exploiting sensitive information about key persons associated with civil unrest.
Eat the rich.
it has politics and xenophobic policies that demand followers murder infidels and people of other religions, people deny these facts at their own peril https://www.thereligionofpeace...
Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
If I give my password to my work laptop to someone, I get fired. It's in my employee agreement. I've worked at companies where there are laws protecting access to patient data that would be on my laptop any time I traveled. How do they deal with that kind of situation?
This guy and his organisation only aim is to undermine non Muslims and defend Muslim terrorists, terrorist organisers and sympathisers. All he does is spout radical hate speech and hypocritically lives in a place he openly hates. He tries his best to make life hard for those innocent people who want nothing to do with him or his sort. Lets turn the tables for a moment, why is it that the majority of Muslim countries are far right dictatorships whose track record on human rights are atrocious. Places where you are likely to get stoned to death by racist mobs rather than a fair trial,never mind afforded human rights or common decencies. Most normal Muslims seem to realise that there are a lot racist and hateful Muslims who tarnish their religion and will do anything to escape to go to the West or anywhere else which isn't a right wing racist Islamic dictatorship. Oh, if we were all born Muslim, which I'm often told by rude Muslims who believe in fairies, then all crime is committed by Muslims... go figure!
It's in Arabic script and has been translated both ways. Epic pedanty fail especially since you were calling them ISIS instead of ISIL, Daesh or Daash before anyway - but do whatever you like, I was only making a suggestion and agree with you about Anjem Choudary.
However he's trivial in the situation - kind of like going after Jane Fonda when you really want to stop the Vietcong. IMHO freezing the assets of the people sending vast amounts of money and weapons to Daesh is more effective than putting small players behind bars to "send a message".
If I was a terrorist entering a country with the intent of collecting information in support of an attack, I'd be coming in with a clean laptop, phone and camera. On my way out, I'd have plans and photographs of potential targets. But I've never been checked on my way out. I could be carrying the blueprints for the latest top secret radar and border protection would never know.
Searching people on their way in is for one of three purposes: Harassment, in support of economic barriers (can't have people sneaking cheap videos across borders) and economic espionage (your bidding strategy and cost data will be handed to your domestic competition).
Have gnu, will travel.
can't understand why he thinks he has a reason to complain. the uk has been leading the charge of 'democratized' nations to dictatorship for over 300 years. and STILL its citizens continue to take it up the ass, keeping a stiff upper lip.
This is more or less an advocacy group for convicted terrorists and a recruiter for radical Islam. Calling it a human rights group is a stretch. Stopping someone loosely affiliated with "the bad guys" at the border and trying to inspect his communications is precisely the sort of thing that we want our border control people to be doing. This is a perfect example of the system working as designed and intended...
Do a bit of research people...
Let's hope that there's a sliver of sanity left in an insane world and they win this. It'd at least be a very small victory in times people all over supposedly democratic free countries have already lost, they just don't know it yet.
You mean if he was traveling to a country he was at war with? Just to visit or something? Like an American who wanted to do some sight seeing in Germany in the 40s vice versa?
Is that what you meant?
Use a Chromebook. Store everything in your favorite cloud account. As you approach the border crossing, tell it to wipe (factory reset). Once across, log into your cloud account and allow a restore.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11442602/Cage-the-extremists-peddling-lies-to-British-Muslims-to-turn-them-into-supporters-of-terror.html
the cunt and his group are actively inciting muslim youth to terror acts and protecting people like Jihadi John.
in my honest opinion, instead of searching his equipment, UK border police should put a bullet in his head.