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'Don't Tell People To Turn Off Windows Update, Just Don't' (troyhunt.com)

Security researchers Troy Hunt, writing on his blog: Often, the updates these products deliver patch some pretty nasty security flaws. If you had any version of Windows since Vista running the default Windows Update, you would have had the critical Microsoft Security Bulletin known as "MS17-010" pushed down to your PC and automatically installed. Without doing a thing, when WannaCry came along almost 2 months later, the machine was protected because the exploit it targeted had already been patched. It's because of this essential protection provided by automatic updates that those advocating for disabling the process are being labelled the IT equivalents of anti-vaxxers and whilst I don't fully agree with real world analogies like this, you can certainly see where they're coming from. As with vaccinations, patches protect the host from nasty things that the vast majority of people simply don't understand. This is how consumer software these days should be: self-updating with zero input required from the user. As soon as they're required to do something, it'll be neglected which is why Windows Update is so critical.

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  1. Excluding the unfortunate exceptions by JimToo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unless you have a production environment with a software product that breaks with Windows update turned on. In which case you have to take additional security and maintenance measures and have a team that is tasked with (and funded properly) to do testing and updates on a regular basis.

    1. Re:Excluding the unfortunate exceptions by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or the Windows 10 update doesn't work and keeps downloading/restarting/bluescreening your computer. (Looking at you, "Anniversary" edition.)

    2. Re:Excluding the unfortunate exceptions by mhollis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mod this up, folks!

      I know at least five different business environments which have been, essentially, shut down by a Windows update. One of them was signing a new service contract as I was talking to him—he had been down all day, unable to see his customer files, his books, the jobs his company was supposed to be doing, unable to route his employees to where they were supposed to go. They went back to a paper only system they have not used since 2002 and they were guessing at that. They were taking credit cards over their website, but could not record the result in their books and had to just save all of the emails and spend an additional day or so just doing data entry into their bookkeeping system.

      Of course, these are anecdotes (which is what the anti-vax community uses instead of Science). The problem is not the update, it is what Microsoft does to the computer upon emerging from the update. Elsewhere, people have written of resetting all of the browser preferences, BSODs and other issues. Microsoft needs to restore the previous state of the computer or server (as much as is practical) after the patch. They need to go in like a surgeon with the same motto: "First, do no harm." And if they figure out how to do that, their updates will be seen as innocuous as Apple's

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    3. Re:Excluding the unfortunate exceptions by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >> How about your company's team (with the prod. servers) does their job, then? And tests and Rolls out the updates BEFORE Windows update automatically installs it.

      So...Windows shouldn't be used by small or medium-sized business without IT workstation teams then?

      Microsoft, can you confirm?

  2. Microsoft's fault by sconeu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they hadn't done shit such as the forced Win10 update, or forced GWA, or done a lot of other crap that broke peoples systems (in the name of marketing), then maybe people wouldn't have said, "Turn it off".

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    1. Re: Microsoft's fault by macsforme · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Agreed. A level of trust is required when you allow vendors to push automated updates to your system, and unfortunately there have been breaches of this trust when vendors saw this as an opportunity for more than enhancing user security.

    2. Re:Microsoft's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Plus, if Anti-Vaxxers could actually point to widespread deaths, they might have a point.

      People who advocate turning off Windows Update Can point to widespread windows deaths due to errant updates.

  3. Telemetry and Windows 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Windows Update also wanted to install telemetry on my Windows 7 system until I removed the patch. Then for 12 months Windows Update wanted to 'upgrade' me to Windows 10, the software employed all sorts of tricks to make me say yes and in the end I just disabled updates as it was less hassle.

    My Windows 7 system was not affected by the events over the weekend as all it does is run some test equipment. It still has Windows Update disabled and it's going to stay that way.

  4. Maybe if Windows Update behaved decently... by ToTheStars · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The reason folks turn off Windows Update is that it behaves kind of like malware itself! I'm technologically savvy enough to set my registry and so on to disable the awful "Get Windows Ten" updates, but when so many users got shafted by Windows "self-updating with zero input required from the user" to a completely new operating system (a new operating system that actively thwarts end-user control over updates!), is it any wonder that so many of them switched it off?

    The comparison to anti-vaxxers is interesting, and apt in more ways than Troy may have known. Much like Microsoft hijacked their Windows Update program to push Windows 10, the CIA used a Pakistani polio vaccination campaign to gather intelligence about Osama bin Laden (see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...). This has resulted in the killing of other relief workers and general suspicion of medical aid programs in that region, and so polio persists.

  5. Re:Generally Sound Advice by dc29A · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would do that if (1) MS didn't cram W10 down my throat; (2) every major update doesn't reset browser preferences; (3) stop updating and breaking hardware drivers; and (4) I could disable telemetry. My Macbook and Ubuntu machines are auto-update enabled. Not my Windows gaming box. No thanks.

  6. Re:Poor advice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    nobody cares what you do on your PC

    Then why did they implement telemetry in Windows?

  7. Re:There should be a separate "Security Updates On by green1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is, it's the "critical updates only" checkbox.
    The problem isn't the lack of said checkbox, it's the fact that Microsoft doesn't respect that checkbox and considers all sorts of marketing fluff and malware to be "critical"

  8. Microsoft could be a big help here by JohnFen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If Microsoft would just go back to the days when security patches were done separately from other sorts of updates, that would be a huge help. I know a lot of people who disable updates to avoid feature changes, but would accept automatic security updates.

    Microsoft's position of not making a distinction between the two is a large disincentive to allowing automatic updates for a lot of people.

  9. Re:Generally Sound Advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The blame for people not updating/patching computers lies squarely on Microsoft.

    Automatic updates, with no user action required, is a really great thing, but ONLY when the updates are strictly for important security patches, and NOT all sorts of other crap that randomly changes or breaks things.

    And then there's the whole "we're going to shove Windows 10 up your ass whether you want it or not" fiasco.

    Microsoft has fucked so many people, so many times, that users have become averse to automatic updates.

  10. 100% Microsoft's fault for forcing Windows 10 by Thud457 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't use the channel for security updates to force advertising on your customers, just don't.

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  11. also... by Comboman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    also, doctors don't break into your house in the middle of the night to give you a vaccine (and snoop around your house while they're there).

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  12. Re:Generally Sound Advice by phayes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So how often should people re-evaluate when a company like Microsoft breaks their trust by forcing upgrades and other such nonsense? 6 months are sufficient according to you apparently.

    News flash: When a company breaks it's users trust, the time it takes can be measured in years and is often never. Yeah it'd be great for security if people were applying upgrades ASAP but MS's new policy of only making rollup updates forcing the inclusion of all previous updates can only backfire making people even less apt to apply them. Hey, they've already broken our trust once, they're likely to do it again.

    The problem is in large part MS's own creation.

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