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Access Codes For United Cockpit Doors Accidentally Posted Online (techcrunch.com)
According to the Wall Street Journal, the access codes to United's cockpit doors were accidentally posted on a public website by a flight attendant. "[United Continental Holdings], which owns United Airlines and United Express, asked pilots to follow security procedures already in use, including visually confirming someone's identity before they are allowed onto the flight deck even if they enter the correct security code into the cockpit door's keypad," reports TechCrunch. From the report: The Air Line Pilots Association, a union that represents 55,000 pilots in the U.S. and Canada, told the WSJ on Sunday that the problem had been fixed. The notable thing about this security breach is that it was caused by human error, not a hack, and illustrates how vulnerable cockpits are to intruders despite existing safety procedures. The Air Line Pilots Association has advocated for secondary barriers made from mesh or steel cables to be installed on cockpits doors to make it harder to break into, but airlines have said that they aren't necessary.
It is 0000
1... 2... 3... 4........ 5
Once the cockpit security barrier reaches about half the airplane's weight, things will settle into a steady state, I guess.
Watch the videos on Youtube. Especially September Clues.
The only 'live' footage we saw of the second plane allegedly hitting the WTC was of it coming from behind the tower, so you couldn't see the impact. What are the chances of that, from four different helicopter cameras? We only saw footage of it entering the building days later, when videos magically emerged... i.e. after they had had time to CGI the planes in.
We know there were no planes on 9/11 because they were travelling at too fast a speed, that near to the ground, to survive without breaking up - because the perps didn't know there was a maximum speed which you couldn't exceed below a certain height...
Plus the fact that it was physically impossible for the top tenth (or however much it was) of each WTC to pulverise COMPLETELY the lower, much larger (and much thicker steel beams) part... How did the core columns manage to collapse all the way down? Detached core columns at the point of initiation of collapse would - by definition- have taken the path of least resistance - i.e. vertical core columns would have slid sideways and NOT HIT other vertical core columns below. After a short period of time the collapse should have been arrested, and over.
The bigger question is why they have set codes at all. There are only a set number of people on each flight who might need to access the cockpit. They should really just have the pilots set a code before anybody else boards the plane, and have the relevant people notified of the code before the flight. Even better if the code is random generated by a computer.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
Come on,now! He did not divulge these code-words to the Ruskies so they could pass the intel on to terrorists. Nah. These are Ruskies, after all, they are our friends, and they seek to make contact, with you. Baby.
Besides, Fox News is in front of this, and says, nothing to see.
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According to French and German prosecutors, the crash was deliberately caused by the co-pilot, Andreas Lubitz.[29][97][98] Brice Robin said Lubitz was initially courteous to Captain Sondenheimer during the first part of the flight, then became "curt" when the captain began the mid-flight briefing on the planned landing.[99] Robin said when the captain returned from a probable toilet break and tried to enter the cockpit, Lubitz had locked the door.[29][97] The captain had a code to unlock the door, but the lock's code panel can be disabled from the cockpit controls.[7][100] The captain requested re-entry using the intercom; he knocked and then banged on the door, but received no response.[101] The captain then tried to break down the door.[16][77][102] During the descent, the co-pilot did not respond to questions from air traffic control and did not transmit a distress call.[103] Robin said contact from the Marseille air traffic control tower, the captain's attempts to break in, and Lubitz's steady breathing were audible on the cockpit voice recording.[97][104] The screams of passengers in the last moments before impact were also heard on the recording.[99]
After their initial analysis of the aircraft's flight data recorder, the BEA concluded that Lubitz deliberately crashed the aircraft. He had set the autopilot to descend to 100 feet (30 m) and accelerated the speed of the descending aircraft several times thereafter.[105][106] The aircraft was travelling at 700 kilometres per hour (430 mph) when it crashed into the mountain.[99] The BEA preliminary report into the crash was published on 6 May 2015, six weeks later. It confirmed the initial analysis of the aircraft's flight data recorder and revealed that during the earlier outbound Flight 9524 from Düsseldorf to Barcelona, Lubitz had practised setting the autopilot altitude dial to 100 feet several times while the captain was out of the cockpit.[107][108]
That and manual deadlocks on the inside.
The reasons airlines don't want to put them in?
* Expense (because retrofits on existing planes isn't just "EXPENSIVE!!!", it's "FUCKING EXPENSIVE!!!"
* Weight savings. A reinforced door and manual/ratcheted lock bar could easily add another 5-800 lbs to a plane. That's EASILY 3-5 passenger fares.
Save money vs save the crew's life? Fuck the crew! SAVE THE MONEY!
It's like these little 7-11 Slurpee stores in high crime areas. They get robbed repeatedly, yet they don't want to install safety cages for the employees. Because "it's too unfriendly", They just remove all access cash more than the current till. So what if a cashier gets shot, stabbed, beaten to a pulp or raped? At least most of the owner's money will be safe!
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
How expensive is it to replace the cashier?
Exactly.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I didn't realize such attacks were so common on airline pilots, especially, rape, given that most pilots are male: Combined with the low pay and lengthy training, it's a miracle there are sufficient numbers of pilots for modern air travel. Now I know, it's obvious pilots should be protected with a steel cage.
That and manual deadlocks on the inside.
The reasons airlines don't want to put them in?
* Expense (because retrofits on existing planes isn't just "EXPENSIVE!!!", it's "FUCKING EXPENSIVE!!!" * Weight savings. A reinforced door and manual/ratcheted lock bar could easily add another 5-800 lbs to a plane. That's EASILY 3-5 passenger fares.
Save money vs save the crew's life? Fuck the crew! SAVE THE MONEY!
Aircraft crews are trained to repel attackers, quite a few in the US are armed now with the FFDO program, there are simple methods beyond a lock that can slow down any attempt to open the cockpit door by force (for example on MD-80 type aircraft, simply putting down the jumpseat would slow anyone down), and as a last resort they literally have a weapon on hand (the crash ax). Also, especially in the US, there is a very good chance that at least one of the cockpit crew is former military and has had self defense training. You're partially right in that it is about saving money, but it's saving money because there are more cost effective ways of protecting the cockpit and cockpit crews.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
Why not distinct codes for each plane, or each flight? If there's only one master code for all planes, all a potential hijacker has to do is kidnap a flight attendant and beat it out of them.
As it is, there might as well not be a code at all. It'd be just as secure to use "Shave and a haircut" as a secret knock.
of course since pilots post the access codes online
Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
... karma?
9/11 happened because no one had really experienced using planes as weapons in this capacity. All the cockpit doors need to do now is keep any potential hijackers at bay for a minute.. by that time crew and passengers will have subdued the individual(s) trying to break in.
I'm not worried once I get through security.. my biggest concern is someone blowing up the line for security. Not saying it's impossible to sneak through security with bad intentions but by that point you've gone through multiple layers of security. Prior to the line, anyone can just walk in.
"Action without philosophy is a lethal weapon; philosophy without action is worthless."
To be fair, back in college (early '80s), I pulled graveyard at a 7-11. During training we were taught that if someone came in armed, give him whatever the hell he wanted. The actual words they used were "We can replace money, we can't replace you".
General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
You've never had a wrongful death lawsuit filed against you have you?
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
The cockpit doors didn't used to be reinforced at all. It used to be like a bathroom door, and remained so after several hijackings. This was okay until people started dying in hijackings, and then reinforcement was a basic countermeasure, but it's just that: basic, judicious. It's not a sky-is-falling requirement, the one last barrier protecting us from plummetting into the ground.
- wire mesh barriers are not necessary
- brief interval of door code availability is not a big deal
Is it my fault that the robber came in and shot the guy? It's not like I hired him or told him it's a good idea. There's even a sign in the window that it's pointless to rob the store because the clerk can't access the big bucks, they're in a steel box (mostly so the little asshole can't steal from me... I mean, for the cashier's safety, of course).
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Yes, I would tell you exactly the same. If for no other reason than you hating me for telling you otherwise.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
So the answer is "no", you haven't had a wrongful death suit filed against you.
A wrongful death suit is a civil suit. So there is no burden of proof protecting you. Such suits run on preponderance of evidence.
If your establishment has been robbed multiple times in the past, and one of your employees was eventually killed, his family could get you for wrongful death simply by dropping all those previous police reports in the jury's lap and go "See! Didn't take appropriate precautions to safeguard his employees!"
At that point, just sign your business over to them.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
Note to self: Hire orphans. Lack of relatives lowers the chance of lawsuits.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
This is what terrorists want - people afraid of something because of something that happened.
Terrorists and the "bad people" aren't going to try and use passenger planes to do their evil anymore - it worked. The amount of money spent and fear related to the event is holding strong and that's exactly the point of terrorism.
Try and be creative and stupid, not repetitive! What are "the terrorists" going to do? Not just repeat what they did - they're going to do new things that people haven't thought of to instill fear and hatred.
Oh, by the way, did you know there is an airline company near where I live that departs from a local airport (where private pilots and rich corporate jetliners usually fly from) that allows people to enter the airport and board the jets/planes without inspecting their baggage or personal identities? Guess how many times they have been abused or taken advantage of? Yeah, 0. Why? Because it's old hat and useless to use today.