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ZeniMax Is Suing Samsung After Winning Its Case Against Oculus (cnn.com)
Games company ZeniMax successfully sued Facebook-owned Oculus for $500 million earlier this year, and now it has a new target in sight: Samsung. The company has filed a new lawsuit over Samsung's Gear VR headset, claiming that "Samsung knowingly profited from Oculus technology that was first developed at ZeniMax, then misappropriated by Oculus executive John Carmack," reports The Verge. From the report: Carmack, whose company id Software was acquired by ZeniMax in 2009, was one of the driving forces behind the Gear VR. While the headset was released by Samsung, it's described as "powered by Oculus," with heavy software optimizations developed by Carmack. But the lawsuit alleges that Carmack owed much of his success at Oculus to software he developed as part of a team at ZeniMax. Among other things, the Texas court filing claims that Carmack secretly brought Oculus (and former ZeniMax) employee Matt Hooper into id Software's offices to develop an "attack plan" for mobile VR, which Oculus would later take to Samsung. The Samsung Gear VR was also built on some of the same code as the Oculus Rift, which was the subject of ZeniMax's earlier lawsuit. ZeniMax's basic argument is that Samsung would have been aware of the lawsuit against Oculus, which was filed during the initial development of the Gear VR. But "Samsung continued to develop the Gear VR with full knowledge of ZeniMax's allegations and without obtaining any right or permission from ZeniMax to use any of its copyrights or other confidential information." The new lawsuit officially accuses Samsung of copyright infringement for using ZeniMax VR code in the Gear VR, as well as trade secret misappropriation, unfair competition, and unjust enrichment.
Are they raking in big wads of cash?
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Worthless and pointless fad, just like 3D.
This is my shocked face that Samsung would be named in a lawsuit alleging intellectual property theft, baseless or otherwise: :-|
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... I think they're gonna string him out to dry on this one. Over a decade ago there was already stereoscopic and anaglyph 3d rendering code in Quake3. That I know of. (I have little reason to expect Quake2 and Quake1 didn't as well, but I haven't actually looked myself.) It's pretty clear to anyone paying attention that they had this VR plan cooking well before they sold iD to ZeniMax. Legal technicalities aside, ZeniMax appears to have a case here.
We'll see VR again when the patents expire, I guess.
Is this the new patent troll battleground? This smells a lot like SCO.
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So essentially, Carmack will never (or at least until certain patents run out) be able to work on VR again because anything he comes up with now builds on what he already knows, and he knows that stuff from developing what this Z-something now owns? Harsh.
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the CEO of ZeniMax was a day trader who more or less got kicked out of the profession for being too skeezy. Let that one sink in for a moment.
But his company makes great games so, like Blizzard, gets a pass for just about anything.
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Or something equivalent, zenimax claims are basically all "We own whatever comes out of Carmacks head"... why don't they just cut to the chase and file suit against Carmack requiring all creative thought to instantly be property of Zen-ownallyourthoughts-max.
I'm convinced the boardroom owners of Zenimax and whatever rabid lawyers they employ just get a hardon from lawsuits. The "victory" against Oculus was actually against Palmer and another Oculus employee personally for breaking NDA's, which they did. The charges against Carmack and for "stolen technology" were all declared as not guilty.
So the "victory" provides them no legal backing nor precedent for this new suit, but they're doing it anyway because Zenimax is run by some crazed bullies that probably wank it to thoughts of bossing poor people around. Or they literally just hire hookers and then boss them around, I dunno.
This sounds like the perfect example of the proper use of intellectual property. I'm not privy to whether Zenimax's case is bogus or not-- I'm taking the trial outcome at face value. But if Carmack signed IP agreements when he was a zenimax employee and then used those for personal gain he was the one perfroming unjust enrichment. The whole point of investing in IP is to hope to strike it rich. If some one takes your crown jewels the law needs to support that.
It doesn't matter that you might feel like information wants to be free. We don't live in that world. We live in the world where the creation of property rights creates liquidity and a market. In that world property rights mean money flows in to back the improvement of good ideas into products that are widely beneficial to society. Interestingly we also live in a world where we do appreciate the tradeoff that withholding IP is also bad and so we let those property rights expire as well. Free might sound nice but it means many good ideas will never be developed without capital.
Now it might well be this is a bogus court decision. That's a whole different question.
But I don't see this as a patent trolling. They invested to create those ideas.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
Nicely done, Carmack. You've poisoned the well to the point that no one in their right mind will invest any more money in VR.
They dumbed down The Elder Scrolls and their Fallout games suck. Fuck ZeniMax.
Typical Texas kangaroo court hack job. What more needs to be said? Home of the Bushes, how did that work out?
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This is my shocked face that Samsung would be named in a lawsuit alleging intellectual property theft...
Oh right, Microsoft and Apple never would be, oh no deary me, perish the thought.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
I know Oculus lost the legal battle with Zenimax, but I thought Carmack was ultimately absolved of any wrongdoing.
Too bad for VR I guess.
Don't worry ToughLove, Apple will be next in the firing line the day after they release anything with the word 'reality' in the description.
After all, Apple being the biggest company in the world, they also have the deepest pockets. Despite the likes on Nokia, Samsung, Quallcomm and the rest all wanting part of their cash hoard, there will be more than enough to spread amongst all the other Patent Trolls based in East Texas.
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I mean, can you claim someone's thoughts? If a spawned b which spawned c do you own a:c if c was done elsewhere. Seems like the one who actually does something with the IP is the one who has more at stake.
Like many of you, I've been around for a while, and I've seen many trends in IT come around again and again. One of those trends is Carmack (or his company) being sued. I have no idea if any of the lawsuits against him/his companies have been bogus or frivolous, but every few years, I keep seeing his name pop up.
Who said that those companies are good actors? I was just saying that Samsung is a repeated, proven, bad actor. IP theft. Collusion. Bribery. Price fixing. All proven in court.
But good job using fanboy logic: One company being a shithead doesn't make other companies less shitty somehow. They can all be shitheads at the same time - shitheadism isn't mutually exclusive.
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But copyrights TOTALLY encourage innovation and competition, by letting the company first-to-market sue the pants off its up-and-coming competitors, potentially ruining the industry and setting back technological development by about 15 years until patents expire.
the truth tends to get warped and of course the financial penalty is set quite high.
It is often a good idea to change programming languages if you work for someone else, at least change your programming style. Makes it much harder to prove if you are using someone else's IP.
You could also change your natural language as well, for each job :)
They don't teach this stuff at Universities, and quite a few Universities try this on as well, they like to claim copyright of work the students do. Final year projects are a bit of conundrum, do you want a good grade but you lose control of some of your best code, or do you quickly hack together something, and keep the good stuff for yourself, but grade lower.