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WikiLeaks Dump Reveals CIA Malware That Can Sabotage User Software (bleepingcomputer.com)

An anonymous reader writes: "While the world was busy dealing with the WannaCry ransomware outbreak, last Friday, about the time when we were first seeing a surge in WannaCry attacks, WikiLeaks dumped new files part of the Vault 7 series," reports BleepingComputer. This time, the organization dumped user manuals for two hacking tools named AfterMidnight and Assassin. Both are malware frameworks, but of the two, the most interesting is AfterMidnight -- a backdoor trojan for stealing data from infected PCs. According to its leaked manual, AfterMidnight contains a module to "subvert" user software by killing processes and delaying the execution of user software. Examples in this manual show CIA operatives how to kill browsers every 30 seconds to keep targets focused on their work, how to delay the execution of PowerPoint software with 30 seconds just to mess with their targets, or how to lock up 50% of PC resources whenever the user starts certain software. Basically, the CIA created nagware.

116 comments

  1. 50% usage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    how to lock up 50% of PC resources whenever the user starts certain software

    Isn't that just windows updates?

    1. Re:50% usage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And, "kill browsers every 30 seconds." MSIE already has that feature.

    2. Re:50% usage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? I thought that was just windows update again installing updates and rebooting/killing things

    3. Re:50% usage by rfengr · · Score: 1

      I only wish. My home PC runs fine. The one at work is a dog, despite being brand new dual Xeon. Corporate IT has a way of destroying anything.

    4. Re:50% usage by Coisiche · · Score: 2

      No problem here... maybe a CIA operative is messing with you.

    5. Re:50% usage by geekmux · · Score: 1

      how to lock up 50% of PC resources whenever the user starts certain software

      Isn't that just windows updates?

      Even worse.

      Microsoft could consider this activity patent infringement. Guess it's good the government isn't easily sued...

    6. Re:50% usage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      how to lock up 50% of PC resources whenever the user starts certain software

      Isn't that just windows updates?

      Nope. A certain Antivirus did that too; and probably still does AFAIK.

    7. Re:50% usage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That or one of the big antimalware suites.

    8. Re: 50% usage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I reallt hope microsoft patch that shit up but meh..good luck

    9. Re:50% usage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've had poor performance from Xeons for the past year, even on what should be light workloads. Dunno if its the chips or just the Dell servers I have at work that they're in, but they underperform a core2 quad that I've been using at home for almost 8 years.

    10. Re:50% usage by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Why are you using a singular designation for a plurality?

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    11. Re:50% usage by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      Corporate IT has a way of destroying anything.

      Agreed. I've bought surplus work computers, and they went from being dogs that took 10 minutes to boot, to being decent systems.

  2. you mean it is not normal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    browser crashing and office application slowness is so common, how can you identify when it is caused by NSA tools ?

  3. Re:please stop them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are the Enemy.
    now they know where you are.

    HAND

  4. They don't even understand "work" by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 2

    to kill browsers every 30 seconds to keep targets focused on their work

    As a web programmer, I need tons of documentation that is mainly available on-line. If I got the CIA's luddite infection, I couldn't deliver much useful

    --
    Nae king! Nae laird! Nae yurrupiean pressedent! We willna be fooled again!
    1. Re: They don't even understand "work" by Mouldy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Web programmer, lol. Spoiler alert: you don't deliver anything useful anyway.

      Says an AC commenting on the web

    2. Re: They don't even understand "work" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And your comments are so useful just because you spent 15 seconds registering a name?

    3. Re: They don't even understand "work" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Says a non-AC replying to an AC

    4. Re: They don't even understand "work" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Web programmer, lol. Spoiler alert: you don't deliver anything useful anyway.

      hey not everybody can be a useful gas jockey as you

    5. Re: They don't even understand "work" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yes they are. Because while ACs have the freedom of anonymity they also stink with faint piss smell of shill or troll.

      Which is why it is appropriate to respond anonymously respond. For only a real user can make an AC heard.

    6. Re: They don't even understand "work" by Mouldy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You missed my point. At risk of just feeding the trolls, let me try again;

      Someone who says anything on the web, is using the web to make their message heard. In this instance, GP AC used the web to tell the world that the web is useless. An obvious contradiction.

      On top of the use of making their message heard, the AC made use of another capability of the web; limited anonymity.

      So in that 1 post, AC contradicted their own message at least twice.

    7. Re:They don't even understand "work" by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      If my browser was crashing every 30 seconds I would suddenly be very focused on why my browser is crashing.

      --
      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    8. Re: They don't even understand "work" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's because i heard they enjoy inhaling large black male semen from an anonymous source

    9. Re: They don't even understand "work" by Revolteh · · Score: 1

      What is "AC"?!

  5. It is rather odd... by Viol8 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    ...that Wikileaks never seems to publish any russian or chinese state cyber security leaks. Now either security is particularly bad in the US security services compared to russia and china, which means information is easy to get hold of, or someone in wikileaks has a rather anti-US agenda. I know which I'd lay money on.

    1. Re:It is rather odd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It couldn't just be that the wikileaks editors don't speak chinese...

    2. Re:It is rather odd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or maybe russia and china tends to kill anyone on their land who even thinks badly about them...

    3. Re:It is rather odd... by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Because Russia and China state agencies are prohibited by law from using Microsoft products. So they never get hacked this way.

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      Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
    4. Re:It is rather odd... by F.Ultra · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What you should ask instead is why no one seams to leak such information to Wikileaks. It's not Wikileaks that hunts down and finds this information, it's sent to them. If you leak Russian secrets to them I'm quite sure that they would distribute them because it's not like the Internet is full of "I leaked Russian data to Wikileaks but they never released them" either.

    5. Re:It is rather odd... by gtall · · Score: 1

      At this point, all we have is Wikileaks saying it is CIA software. I don't find it beyond the realm of possibility that they are just feeding the world some Russian crap and billing it as coming from the CIA. It has better mass appeal that way, because who gives a damn about what Russia's doing.

    6. Re:It is rather odd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chinese networking technology is manufactured by Huawei. They just configure their firewall/routers to let all traffic through by default.

    7. Re:It is rather odd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OR the CIA is posting old exploits, so they are closed, to outsiders, since they have new ones, that outsiders do not know of.

    8. Re:It is rather odd... by Sique · · Score: 1
      It might have to do with the fact that you can see the leaked information from russian or chinese sources in the evening news on TV, because leaking russian and chinese secrets to the public is not in violation to any U.S. statute. That's quite different to leaking U.S. secrets to the public, which is considered treason in the US.

      WikiLeaks makes the headlines in the U.S. everytime it publishes information from the U.S.. That's right. And that's because you wouldn't get that information anywhere else because of U.S. law. If WikiLeaks publishes something from Syria or North Korea or China, it doesn't make the headlines, because a dozen other news outlets will publish it too, and even the U.S. government publishes a press release daming those bastards in Syria, North Korea and China for their brazen violation of human rights.

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      .sig: Sique *sigh*
    9. Re:It is rather odd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are you really that fucking stupid?

    10. Re:It is rather odd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you so sure? Wikileaks isn't going to kill their golden goose. If Wikileaks publishes even one Russian secret, the Russians will find another distributor when they want to release juicy bits on the US and other Western powers.

      And the fact that nobody complains in the media about that is obvious. What type of actors do you think are involved? Who would have Russian state secrets to leak? The CIA probably has a few, might want to leak them, and might even want to leak them via WikiLeaks. But the CIA will not ever complain publicly if WIkiLeaks objects. Any CIA unhappiness will be expressed in other ways, e.g. a small note left in Assange's coat.

    11. Re:It is rather odd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are two possibilities:

      1) These are leaks, and thus come from the inside, from disgruntled employees like Bradley Manning. Wikileaks strongly suggested that its Podesta emails came from a source inside the DNC.

      2) The Russians have hacked the NSA and CIA. The Russians are objectively better at hacking than our people are at defending. The Russians reveal to the world that we Americans are actually the evil geniuses who put all the backdoors in everything, who developed the best hacking tools, who can pwn any boxen in the world instantly. Somehow, despite us being the devious ones, the Russians still outhacked us. And yet, we haven't disbanded the CIA or NSA out of shame.

      Dude, the second choice is a paranoid clusterfuck that belongs in comic books. The first option is far more probable. Don't suspect eeeeeevil Russian hackers of penetrating the Mission Impossible Computer Room when there's a far more plausible explanation.

    12. Re:It is rather odd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When was the last time Wikileaks had anything to say about Ecuador? (They used to publish info on Ecuador, particularly human rights abuses and political embezzlement). The Panama papers included some Ecuador politicians. Those records were scrubbed before Wikileaks posted them.

      Who gives a shit about Ecuador? Juliane Assange does -- he's living in their embassy.

    13. Re:It is rather odd... by gnick · · Score: 1

      If Wikileaks publishes even one Russian secret, the Russians will find another distributor when they want to release juicy bits on the US and other Western powers.

      B.S. There's no loyalty between the two. Wikileaks is a tool used by whoever has stuff they want leaked. They seem to be pretty neutral, even though their sources are obviously not. Nobody's going to avoid it because they got their feelings hurt - Why would they?

      --
      He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
    14. Re:It is rather odd... by AHuxley · · Score: 4, Insightful

      China and Russia now have better practices after decades of having to counter intrusion attempts.
      The most easy way is to only allow mil officers to move up the ranks who are loyal. Some profiling helps a lot.
      Mil bases, science city, closed areas allow projects to stay safe. No mixing of other nations embassy staff, spies been tourists, university students, random foreigners, illegal migrants near sensitive sites.
      Russia and China now fully understand the signals gathering efforts by the NSA and GCHQ. Less chatter on their networks about secrets as they know the NSA and GCHQ are in on all their internal networks.
      The main security issues for Russia and China is the CIA or MI6 making a cash offer to their mil and workers. A lot of cash, new life in the West, education, holidays, work. No uniform, fun, freedom to read, watch TV all day.
      The only way around that is to profile every worker and see if they are tempted. Personality traits that sway to loyalty, been patriotic, pride in uniform, pride in own nation are valued. The easy to distract, weak minded person who lives in a total fantasy world does not get any security clearance.

      Its different to the West. Less contractors working with mil staff, low wages, tension between mil, new contractors setting projects and gov workers. A spirit de corps still holds as all the people on site are tested and trusted. The site is also the only pace the project exists. No digital copies with just in time contractors that can walk.

      So the West sees a lot of talk by human rights groups, lawyers, documents. Court cases get supported, published. A lot of court related material exists in the West about Russian and China. Just not mil grade as it does not exist on computer networks.

      The US stores too much with contractors, has too much complex data in plain text facing open networks thanks to role and for profit needs of contractors.
      Its seems to go back to an idea that the early 1950-70's US networks would always be secure. Each US base was physically secure, the secure networks between each US base was perfect. So lots of chatter and plain text for contractors is just part of that long term US system.
      The US also learned a lot from 1930-1970 UK staff security issues and tried its best to secure its own mil and gov staff. That worked well until the US got flooded with for profit contractors.
      The US believes in the creativity, profit motive and imagination of its contractors, if they need plain text computer networks, thats just part of the system.
      Very different concepts around staff security and document security after decades of issues and walk outs in Russia and USA.
      The UK tried to get the best of both worlds with better gov/mil staff conditions, real gov and mil jobs with good wages, security and trust in the 1970's. It worked well until new contractors got access to UK material.
      The UK also faced the real Irish issue, past UK staff issues with the Soviet Union and was finally much more security aware.
      No more easy to access photocopiers with lots of paper next to secure UK document vaults for spies to copy with.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    15. Re:It is rather odd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess someone who is not being shielded by international law at behest of Ecuador will simply have to expose their various corruptions and crimes instead.

    16. Re:It is rather odd... by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 1

      What are the biggest examples of stuff leaked about Russia that went straight to US press?

    17. Re:It is rather odd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...that Wikileaks never seems to publish any russian or chinese state cyber security leaks."

      Their software works like Slashdot, it can't handle Russian or Chinese Characters.

    18. Re:It is rather odd... by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "What are the biggest examples of stuff leaked about Russia that went straight to US press?"

      The stuff that orange Hitler blabbered out to the Russian spy-chief ?

    19. Re:It is rather odd... by butzwonker · · Score: 1

      In authoritarian regimes government employees are generally more compliant and feel less democratic responsibilities than in relatively free and democratic countries, hence there are less whistleblowers.

    20. Re:It is rather odd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .. and China and Russia tend to deal with leakers somewhat more "directly", acting as a more blatant deterrent.
      Not to say the CIA doesn't also do this, but they're less willing to admit it or make public examples of people. Polonium tea is more Russia's style.

    21. Re:It is rather odd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're only neutral in the sense that they want to hurt America. They don't care what form it comes in, and like you said, they have no true allegiance to Russia.

      All you have to look at is the timing of the publication of the leaks. They could have sunk Clinton during the primaries and given us the only candidate that voted against the Iraq War and the PATRIOT act.

      They've stated that they have leaks on the Republicans as well, and chose not to use it. They literally wanted Trump, not because Russia wanted Trump, but because they knew Trump would do the most damage to America.

      That said, I still kind of support them. Leaking information on corrupt governments is good, but the fact it's so bent towards their own goals is unsettling.

    22. Re:It is rather odd... by Archtech · · Score: 1

      I really shouldn't feed the troll. But...

      1. AC

      2. Potty mouth

      3. No actual content.

      Just saying.

      --
      I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
    23. Re: It is rather odd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exposing our weaknesses early gives us a chance. If they wanted to do harm they would hoard these tool and use them to do harm. Instead they give it to everyone and that's let us build defenses.

    24. Re:It is rather odd... by phorm · · Score: 1

      Also, if you leak a bunch of Russian secrets, you're likely to get a nice drink of Polonium Tea even if you defect to the West and find "safe harbour"

  6. Great timing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump did something monumentally stupid and people found out about it yesterday, better create a diversion!

    1. Re:Great timing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >washington post
      >hearsay via anonymous former officials
      >directly contradicted on the record by multiple current high-level officials who were in the room at the time
      >not even illegal even if it was true

      Never mind though, if you want it to be true badly enough it will magically be true. That impeachment's juuuuuust around the corner!

    2. Re:Great timing by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      Trump does something monumentally stupid every day it's just not news anymore

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      Build a Man a Fire, and He'll Be Warm for a Day. Set a Man on Fire, and He'll Be Warm for the Rest of His Life.

    3. Re:Great timing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he is still president and you are whining on a nerd forum

    4. Re:Great timing by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      So... we get exciting news every day now?

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  7. Your chance to rate it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is TRUMP beating O.J. in causing the most lost productivity ever?

    If you think, yes, hell yes, vote yes.
    If you think, no, nothing beats O.J. in lost productivity, vote no.

  8. Re:please stop them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Vigilante hackers to shut down wikileaks? Somekind of a verbial oxymoron?

  9. Browser dies every 30 secs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Powerpoint gets delayed 30 secs... and so on.

    Isn't that just standard Windows "user experience" anyway?

    1. Re:Browser dies every 30 secs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      User: "Why is my computer slow and crashing all the time?"
      TechSupport: "AfterMidnight. Call the CIA and ask them."

  10. Re:please stop them by Kiuas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Man I wish we had some vigilante hackers that would shut down wikileaks, they are the Enemy. Giving secrets to them is giving them to the enemy which is all the spyware writers in North Korea.

    Do you not think the other agencies don't have access to such tools and information already? Exploits are sold and distributed in the darkweb on a daily basis, you can even these days buy malware as a service. It's a highly advanced, highly lucrative industry with professionals at work on all sides. And not all the players are state actors, plenty of them have commercial interests in mind and these people don't care who's buying.

    Now, someone else said it well in a recent story about WannaCry: the lesson of this story is not just 'guard your weapons better' but also 'make better armor'

    Putting these exploits out there allows for people to defend themselves against them. Following the mentality of 'well let's just not tell anyone of this exploit we found and no $BAD GUYS will ever find it" is arrogant and stupid because there are billions of dollars involved in the industry of seeking out and taking advantage of these exploits. There are millions of people across the planet right now working for criminal enterprises whose day-to-day job it is to seek these security holes out, with or without sites like WikiLeaks.

    I personally think the whole tactic of not informing companies of serious security flaws in their products in the hopes of one day being able to use said exploits to target $BAD GUYS, is incredibly stupid and shortsighted because it simultaneously puts EVERYONE running these systems in the US/west at risk of being attacked by whoever else has found the same exploit. It's literally the same as finding out a vaccine for a deadly virus but trying to keep it a secret in case one day you decide to start full-scale biological war against $BAD GUYS; if your population is not vaccinated and is hit first by the enemy, you're fucked. The risk-reward ration is absurd.

    But then again, I'm not american, so that must mean I'm the enemy, right?

    --
    "It is the business of the future to be dangerous" -Alfred North Whitehead
  11. Re:please stop them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now explain for us all how leaking classified (or non-classified, in this case) info to Wikileaks is any different than leaking it to the New York Times.

  12. Re:please stop them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Idiots like you are the biggest threat to humanity right now. If you would just Darwin yourself out...

  13. If you feel left out... by jeti · · Score: 1

    If you feel left out, you can simply install some anti-virus software.

  14. Windows by coofercat · · Score: 3, Funny

    I thought Windows was just like that by default - little did I know I was being hacked by the CIA. I'll be more careful in future ;-)

  15. Value for money by Mouldy · · Score: 2

    Anyone else a bit disappointed by the sophistication of the tools & docs wikileaks are releasing?

    If this is the extent of the CIA's super-impressive cyber capabilities, then the tax payers probably deserve a refund.

    The difficult/expensive bit are the zero day exploits & getting nafarious/nagging code onto a target system & running with sufficient privileges.

    Finding a hole in an EOL OS like windows XP or social engineering someone to install something that kills powerpoint every 30 seconds probably isn't worth the millions (billions?) of dollars thrown into these programs by the government.

    Maybe I've just seen too many spy movies, but I kind of expected something a bit more exotic.

    1. Re:Value for money by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      Maybe I've just seen too many spy movies, but I kind of expected something a bit more exotic.

      Even hundred-million-dollar robots need the application of $1 screwdrivers now and again. Sometimes it takes a tool that costs as much as a car to service a car, while other times it only requires a $10 cable and a laptop you already have. I'm not surprised that the surveillance state uses both expensive tools and cheap ones, since almost every other endeavor does the same.

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      How is the Riemann zeta function like Trump rallies? Both have an endless number of trivial zeros.
    2. Re: Value for money by Entrope · · Score: 1

      Why do you think these are the tools that much money goes towards? If some other spy agency took these tools in the first place, they'd probably keep the really cool ones rather than give them to Wikileaks.

    3. Re:Value for money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's all they need. Get a bit of code that scans through every file system on the network then sends out the results to the listening post or server. Microsoft SMB/Samba/NFS does the networked file system bit. Getting commands and sending data out as an encrypted HTTP get request is easy when disguised as an advert link) and gets through any network firewalls. The trick is to need as little custom code as possible. The less that is needed, the less chance of detection. If they are lucky some firewalls may just have SAMBA forwarding enabled by default, but it's easy enough to wait the firewall to auto-update and send in the setttings.

    4. Re:Value for money by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The CIA malware is focused at average users in front of an average Windows computer.
      Expecting average, tame, consumer grade antivirus products that don't work on average computers.
      This is not an average OS X or Linux user with an outgoing firewall that has a nice gui to show new connections and lots of third party software looking for any changes to OS folders, files in real time.
      Nothing is watching for persistently installed software or looking at persistence locations for OS changes.

      Octopus and Gremlins. The Gremlins get deep into Windows. HTTPS Listening Post Octopus gets the reports and sends the new commands.
      The Gibson allows for deeper commands. Pernicious ICE, FAF.
      Later forensic efforts are avoided. Less of that code litter to find later packed with fancy foreign languages, (((emoji))) and spellings.
      Its exotic enough to avoid been detected and gives options to add stuff to a Windows computer.
      Too exotic and a lot of the best antivirus staff around the world start to get very interested as its very interesting and state funded.
      Once that state funding malware is found the AV brands do not stop looking and recall their finds over decades with the media.
      Making malware too good gets too much interest as its something special that builds an AV brand global reputation. Its what set and AV company apart from been one of the the best AV companies.
      The CIA profiled what interests the best AV brands with the skills to find state funded malware and created a malware product that if ever found in the wild would seem normal, average. Less interest, less chatter, less media, the AV company moves onto the next complex event.
      The CIA puts a lot of time and effort in thinking about how very smart people react to unexpected computer events. That sets the CIA efforts apart. They understand how the human mind works and are one step ahead. Dont get the best AV brands interested in anything in the wild. The AV brands get too interested in exotic efforts.
      The big money went into the profile of every average AV company and what gets an AV company really interested. Stay very average and don't get noticed. No press, no human rights groups, no university efforts, no big AV company interviews. Other nations code their own very complex code or buy third party "police" grade private sector products and are detected and talked about.

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  16. God damnit. by Narcocide · · Score: 1

    Is this why WoW gets slower with every release?

    1. Re:God damnit. by fibonacci8 · · Score: 1

      Is this why WoW gets slower with every release?

      It's the reason all raid fights have to fit into a 30 second window now.

      --
      Inheritance is the sincerest form of nepotism.
  17. Wouldn't it be wonderful if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wouldn't it be wonderful if executable files needed an "executable flag" to be set before they can execute rather than just rely on the file extension? That way, when you download that invoice.pdf.exe from your email you'll get a "permission denied" dialog instead of a "give me all your money" dialog.

    1. Re:Wouldn't it be wonderful if... by Dunbal · · Score: 2

      Because people aren't stupid enough to give execute privileges to anything that asks for them. You're merely delaying the inevitable. The problem lies between the keyboard and the chair. Most people REFUSE to think. Grandma would rather ask her son to buy her a new laptop than have to read dialog boxes or set file permissions.

      --
      Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
    2. Re:Wouldn't it be wonderful if... by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

      And would it not also be great if that executable flag where automatically stripped when downloading a file so all things downloaded by a browser/mail-program had to be manually enabled in order to run?

  18. Yeah by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

    So they are passing out weapons now. Lots of international law about that. Most of it very nasty.

  19. Re:please stop them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah people like you would rather have fake news that has been sanitized for your protection. All wikileaks does is report stuff. Don't blame them for being the messenger. You want to shoot someone, shoot the guy in charge of internal security at the CIA/NSA or wherever these "tools" get stolen from. And shoot the guy at Microsoft who knew about all these vulnerabilities years ago and decided to sit on his hands.

    But I'm wasting my breath - your statement proves you are incapable of dealing with the real world.

  20. Re:please stop them by Dunbal · · Score: 0, Troll

    Nobody leaks classified info to the New York Times they just make up the stories. Like the latest one about Assad burning people alive in a crematorium. That's the difference.

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    Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
  21. if i noticed something acting that screwed up by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    i would assume the worst, totally wipe windows off the drive, do a clean install without allowing windows internet access, reboot my dual boot system to Linux and then wait for the shitstorm to subside and then maybe boot up windows for offline only purposes and use Linux for a general purpose internet access OS

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    Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
  22. Let it be a lesson by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    To all those who keep looking forward to the year of Linux in the desktop - don't. The status quo is excellent. You can run Linux in the desktop without any problems and without much effort, if you want to, to do just about everything that you need and want. As long as Windows maintains its stranglehold, the bad guys and three letter government agencies world over will focus their efforts on Windows, leaving Linux desktops alone. The time has come to understand that the dominance of Windows in the desktop is a blessing to those of us who wish to run Linux in the desktop. We do not want for Linux to rule in the desktop, we want for Windows to carry on taking the heat. Fortunately, the asinine efforts behind Gnome and KDE (and the fading Unity) almost guarantee that Windows will remain the desktop of choice for the masses. And that is a very good thing for the rest of us.

    1. Re:Let it be a lesson by ruir · · Score: 1

      After the systemd fiasco, for me is the year of FreeBSD in the desktop...Actually it is so much easier to setup wifi, for instance...

    2. Re:Let it be a lesson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You still have to stay away from certain distros. Ubuntu comes loaded with spyware. Debian comes with systemd and others. Then there's the suspicious circumstances of the founder's death... I wouldn't trust devuan either.

  23. Spotting Malice In The Noise by ytene · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm not sure about other readers, but one of the things I've noticed is that as time passes, so more and more potentially useful software becomes "chatty" - in other words software that we'd normally trust to do "what it says on the tin" and nothing else has suddenly sprouted a great deal of extra activity.

    This makes it much harder to spot suspicious activity on "ordinary" machines.

    Now, we have to accept that there is a great deal of "free" software available today (firewall software like ZoneAlarm, anti-virus software like AVG) which offer both free and paid-for versions, but for which the free-to-use editions "phone home" an extraordinary amount of data about your PC. You get what you pay for.

    But when your OS is the worst offender, (W10), when your video driver maintains a running commentary (nVidia), when almost any piece of software on your computer believes that it has the need or right to "phone home", it becomes orders of magnitude more difficult to understand when something suspicious might be happening with your computer. I recently had to re-install a Windows 10 machine for a friend of mine; after applying a 3rd-party firewall utility and configuring it to block all outbound traffic until it had been positively vetted, I was absolutely stunned by the number of different packages that claimed the need to "phone home".

    I am sure there are many legitimate reasons for this to happen [such as checking for updates]. However, the current state of affairs seems to be stacking the odds against the average user. It's a bit like the tic-tac-toe ending to Wargames: the only way to avoid losing is to not play the game... and the only way to avoid having your PC pwned is to not have a PC in the first place.

    OK, that's a [small] exaggeration. But it illustrates the point. #Depressing.

    1. Re:Spotting Malice In The Noise by ruir · · Score: 1

      Tell me about chatty...I wonder if any operating system would ever have the common sense of not stealing the focus of apps, at least if the user has been using the keyboard and mouse in the last couple of minutes.

    2. Re:Spotting Malice In The Noise by ytene · · Score: 1

      Oh yes - and especially when the software wants to get you to agree to an update, and cheerfully interrupts a full-screen gaming session to agree to an update.

      Software vendors: there are plenty of opportunities and ways that you can let me know that I need to give your software product my attention - for example causing the menu bar icon to flash. Taking control of my PC and switching to your product is NOT an acceptable mechanism. I will replace and remove software that does this. Which is why 95% of my PC time is spent on a Linux image...

    3. Re:Spotting Malice In The Noise by ruir · · Score: 1

      I migrated out of linux decades ago, and nowadays starting the process of migrating out of OSX for *BSD.

    4. Re:Spotting Malice In The Noise by LienRag · · Score: 1

      and the only way to avoid having your PC pwned is to not have a PC in the first place.

      Or not to use Windows...

  24. Or.... by rholtzjr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This could also be yet another "look over here, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" scenario. Do not fool yourself, all of the world's intelligence communities has been doing this for decades of influencing the masses with carefully orchestrated information dumps. Because they know most people prefer the ignorance is bliss mentality. I bet you still consider the DNC staffer was the victim of a botched robbery, right?

    All of this is the classical "Divide and Conquer" rules of war that has been going on for centuries. They have successfully implemented the first phase by dividing the country in half. What would the next step be?

    More importantly, who is the they in the equation?

    1. Re:Or.... by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      "I bet you still consider the DNC staffer was the victim of a botched robbery, right?"

      Yes, because Seth Rich told police that the perpetrators were actually trying to mug him. If they intended to kill him, they would have made sure he was dead first them made it look like a mugging gone wrong.

  25. Equation = L0pht by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funny that nobody hears from L0pht anymore. It is as if a secret organization hired them for their technical prowess.

  26. Previous art by ruir · · Score: 1

    Cant Microsoft sue for infringement about selling malware that can sabotage user software?

    1. Re:Previous art by fibonacci8 · · Score: 1

      Suing over trivial and frivolous design patents is Apple's business model. Microsoft might be able to license the technology from them.

      --
      Inheritance is the sincerest form of nepotism.
    2. Re:Previous art by ruir · · Score: 1

      Last time I looked the crappy software is on the MS side, so Apple cannot properly sue about that...MS is known to be shady enough to fund trolls for them to sue other companies, partly also because it had several run ins with the DoJ in the past.
      Both situation are pretty well documented, and you know, someone invented something called Google...

    3. Re:Previous art by ruir · · Score: 1

      Hmmm....you comment history just indicates you are an idiot or a wanna be troll....

  27. $BAD GUYS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm confused, Russia hacked our election, put a puppet in the Whitehouse, whose sharing secret intelliogence with Russia.... AND LIKELY WAS THE SOURCE of the names of those people Russian arrested for treason. Since they were arrested shortly after he got access to the unredacted pee memo, complete with the names of the Russian intelligence agents working for the US, that verified the contents of the memos.

    Bad guys? Good guys? It's all a fucking blurr. It's good that you defined it as a variable since its so easily changed!

    Any backdoor the NSA has, Trump will hand them to his Russian puppet master soon enough. He sold out the spies, and the tools are nothing compared to that.

    So next election, expect the Russians to have access to all the 5 eyes secrets on every politician courtesy of their puppet.

  28. Re:Cock by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1, Troll

    This is the best description of Microsoft Windows I have seen in print, to date.

    It also provides excellent context for the creation and promotion of systemd.

    --
    "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
    Never been known to fail..."
  29. Jill Stein travelled to Russia in 2015 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The Russians are looking to own both the left and the right.

    Heads they win, tails we lose.

    Jill Stein travelled to Russia in 2015, and we still don't know who paid for that trip or why (and she's keeping mightly quiet).

    It's probable that Russia helped amplify Bernie Sander's message to disrupt Hillary's primary run (though it is equally clear that Bernie himself did not know this or collaborate, unlike Trump).

    It is certain that they will mess with our primaries, and the 2020 presidential campaign (as well as congressional race in 2018), and equally clear that we'll have our heads up our asses still, and be unable to prevent or counter any of it. One party is actively trying to slow-walk and even block investigations, not to mention provide political cover, for our Traitor in Chief, so our ability to learn and act on these events is severely diminished, and if this continues, our democracy is very unlikely to survive the next election cycle.

    So yeah, it's hard to tell the good guys from the bad guys sometimes, and thanks to the outcome of this election, and the craven behavior of our congressional "leaders," its only going to get worse. Much worse.

    1. Re:Jill Stein travelled to Russia in 2015 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's zero evidence of Trump collaborating. Outside of left wing conspiracy theories, it isn't taken seriously. Ask yourself why Trump would need to collaborate, if Putin was terrified of Hillary and/or hated her. Remember: if he DID collaborate, and evidence came out of that, he'd be in jail, and Putin would face even worse sanctions than before. Neither side gains via collaboration, even if they have the exact same goal, because of the risks.

      So even if Putin did everything in his power to help Trump, there's no reason to suspect Trump ever talked with Putin or offered him a single fucking thing. It would be pretty wild if he did, in fact, given the amazing possibility of that actually coming out. The scenario is all loss, no gain.

  30. That explains it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No wonder posting on /. takes 30 seconds longer today.

  31. Hey wait a minute by Kardos · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... this raises the possibility that Windows might actually be a functional and performant piece of work, one that has been unfairly maligned over the years due to the CIA's actions!

    1. Re:Hey wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it's not

  32. What Do You Mean, "Russia Hacked Our Election?" by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

    Seriously. What did they do? Specifically.

    1. Re:What Do You Mean, "Russia Hacked Our Election?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm so sick of this meme too. Which states' electoral votes is Russia supposed to have changed?

  33. On a funny note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft delays Powerpoint for a minute so that you buy their dead (market share) cellphones and the mobile version of Powerpoint.

    It's doesn't boot slowly because it's badly programmed.

  34. It's a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They spend all the money in security. They don't spend much money in offensive hacking.

    This is why the US elections can never be hacked like the French elections.

    What if a high-ranking official opens a Powerpoint virus? It's going to be delayed for 30 seconds so that the antivirus can scan the file 5 times.

  35. Why only the CIA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is it that no other spy agency has ever had a leak? Are we to believe that the USA is the only country doing this?

  36. Morons by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    That's not nagware. Stop with the self-righteous software vigilantiism.

    Children.

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    deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
  37. Enough with wiki leaks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For as much as I am not a MS supporter, been working with Linux since 1994, I am getting fed up with wikileaks attempts to continue to get notoriety posting vulnerabilities previously not disclosed by the intelligence community (not a real fan of them agencies either). It seems the the urge if disclosing information obtained obscurely outweighs the actual detrimental effect it may have (i.e. NHS in the UK as the result of Wcry). How much is privacy worth compared to the price we all pay? I assume most of are impervious to the nefarious effects of the malware, but what about the people that are vulnerable due to their technological illiteracy? I think of my mom's computer for example. When is too much enough? Do we really have that many secrets to hide? Should that lead us to think more about our habits rather than those who observe us?

  38. Re: What Do You Mean, "Russia Hacked Our Election? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really? What electoral colleges? How about the Commercial action on the election? I surely hope you have very good Security practices, and are not famous enough to get the Russian attention. Man... I don't aprovecharÃamos what Hillary did... But I am not valid enough to see how far this goes... Like people say around here.... Bless your heart.

  39. Re:50% usage (Windows Update) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is for me. Win8.1. It uses about 35% of the CPU time when running in the background. When I stop the process, it drops to nothing. Then after a few seconds, the WU process restarts, and CPU usage goes right back up. I had to force it to not start at all. Unfortunately then I can't update Win Defender, it doesn't work. Well except for about once a week, when it decides that it is out of date, and I can tell it to update then and it works. WTF?

    WSUS Offline didn't work.

    Autopatcher runs, but always silently fails.

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