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Popular Torrent Site ExtraTorrent Permanently Shuts Down (torrentfreak.com)

ExtraTorrent, the world's second largest torrent index, on Wednesday said it is permanently shutting its doors. The site, which launched in 2006, had steadily climbed the ranks in the piracy world to become the second most popular torrent site, observing millions of daily views. TorrentFreak adds: "ExtraTorrent with all mirrors goes offline.. We permanently erase all data. Stay away from fake ExtraTorrent websites and clones. Thx to all ET supporters and torrent community. ET was a place to beâ¦." TorrentFreak reached out to ExtraTorrent operator SaM who confirmed that this is indeed the end of the road for the site. "It's time we say goodbye," he said, without providing more details. [...] ExtraTorrent is the latest in a series of BitTorrent giants to fall in recent months. Previously, sites including KickassTorrents, Torrentz.eu, TorrentHound and What.cd went offline.

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  1. Someone could start a new one. by SeaFox · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Nyaa.se was shut down voluntarily as well at the beginning of the month, but a group from the fandom and people close to the old site started a replacement that will eventually be just like the old site for all intents and purposes.

    1. Re:Someone could start a new one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
    2. Re:Someone could start a new one. by Rhapsody+Scarlet · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'd add that a quick look at the fansubs sites I follow shows a fair bit of fragmentation at the moment. AniDex and minglong seem the most popular choices right now, with (new) Nyaa a distant third and Nyaa Pantsu nobody's first choice so far. Anything could change, but that's what I'm seeing so far.

    3. Re:Someone could start a new one. by nojayuk · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nyaa was/is a favourite site for foreign-language (JP and CN mainly) drama, anime and manga torrents. I don't think it or its replacement carries a lot of Western stuff.

  2. What will I do now? by mi · · Score: 4, Funny

    How am I going to download all that open-source software, that I used to download with BitTorrent?

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    1. Re:What will I do now? by Jamu · · Score: 4, Funny

      How am I going to download all those illicit copyrighted jokes!

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  3. We pirates must unite by jediborg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And use technology to create an amazing decentralized pirate torrenting site that can never be shut down!

    Also we need to stop using the word 'pirate' i think we lost the intellectual debate the moment we adopted the term. Its 'file sharing". I bet you if i asked ten random people on the street if they think piracy is wrong, most would say yes. But if i asked 10 random people if 'file sharing' was wrong and should be illegal, they would say 'No! you should be able to share files"

    1. Re:We pirates must unite by WrongMonkey · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Does WireShare meet your "amazing decentralized pirate torrenting site" criteria?

      https://sourceforge.net/projec...

    2. Re:We pirates must unite by l20502 · · Score: 2

      Limewire(Gnutella) seems pretty dead, last time I tried searching on it there weren't many results, eMule meanwhile still has some 200k+ users and the botnet spamming fake results seems to be dying down.

    3. Re:We pirates must unite by jediborg · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you put the word 'illegally' then yeah, i think most would say no. The problem is, i don't think it is EVER a crime to share ANY information. The only crime one can do with information is to bypass someones firewalls and security measures to gain access to information stored on a hard drive that does not belong to you. That to me is 'digital trespassing' but i don't think sharing information over the internet should ever be a crime, in any form whatsoever

    4. Re:We pirates must unite by quenda · · Score: 2

      but i don't think sharing information over the internet should ever be a crime, in any form whatsoever

      No secrets? No privacy? That's a bit broad. I prefer the way that patents work.
      You can choose to keep something secret, or you can patent it. Then everyone gets to see it, and in exchange you get certain rights for royalties from commercial use.
      There is no need to ban sharing any more than sharing books is banned. It just creates an un-policable crime and destroys respect for rule of law.

    5. Re:We pirates must unite by Altrag · · Score: 2

      Then you're wrong. Period.

      You're perfectly free to disagree with the law, but claiming its not a crime is flat out factually wrong -- the DMCA and similar laws do exist, whether you like it or not.

    6. Re:We pirates must unite by jediborg · · Score: 2

      Except i DIDNT TAKE ANYTHING. To 'take' from someone is to leave them with 1 less item of what you took then they had before. When i download music, it is the equivalent of walking down the street, past a street performer. If i don't pay the street performer, even if i enjoyed their music, am i "Taking" or "stealing" from them? That is essentially what you are arguing. File sharing is not theft. File sharing is not piracy. File sharing is not immoral. File sharing is not unethical. File sharing is sharing information. Sharing information is free speech. File sharing should not be illegal.

  4. Re:Another victim of terrible leftist laws by Sigma+7 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Keep in mind that most of the abuse of copyright in the US stems from the Digital Millennium Copyright Act

    Any abuse of copyright law can be fixed by amending the law, and the government elected afterwards has not done so.

    many other leftists around the world for continually extending copyright protections

    That's not a leftist ideology, that's a corporate ideology.

    An actual leftist ideology would be something similar to the GPL that recognizes that nothing should be locked down in the long-term by a small elite - especially if it allows people to use computers without having to pay more than they should (e.g. allow computers to have Linux, a basic set of compilers, and basic software required to do practically any common task.)

  5. Distributed index by PoopJuggler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why aren't there any distributed indexes? Seems silly to have an entire distributed distribution system without a matching index.

    1. Re:Distributed index by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because indexes are hard and distributed data is hard. And combining the two concepts is hard-squared.

      And better yet, indexes are data, so distributing an index requires another index of the index, which then must be distributed, which requires another index of the index of the index... and now we're into infinite recursion territory. Flattening recursion like that creates a koan. There are ways of handling that, too, but it's not simple or obvious.

      And once you do this for bittorrent trackers, you'd be a fool not to sink that effort into a replacement for DNS as well.

    2. Re:Distributed index by WrongMonkey · · Score: 2

      Tribler is a bit torrent client that uses an overlay network for searching. https://www.tribler.org/

    3. Re:Distributed index by behrooz0az · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Technically speaking, It's not impossible; The problem is that it's spammable/DoSable and will need an authority to either allow/deny nodes from inserting to index or someone like our good old friend 'hosts guy' to maintain a list of known good source nodes that people can download and only share the indexes from those.
      And/Or other simple restrictions like limiting the number of torrents any node can add to the index.
      And/Or a voting system that allows all nodes to vote on others to help the client applications with prioritizing/filtering the index.
      For node enrolling, I think a memory-hard cpu-hard hash of parts/some of the index should be viable.

      As you can see there are a lot of problems with non-obvious fixes. I've been studying distributed databases for some time and i have problems putting this together. not easy.

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    4. Re:Distributed index by l20502 · · Score: 2

      I used to use shareaza, which combined results from many P2P networks and it had a nice way to distribute antifake filters, which worked quite well.

    5. Re:Distributed index by Kjella · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why aren't there any distributed indexes? Seems silly to have an entire distributed distribution system without a matching index.

      Torrents were made so that you could put a 10kb torrent file instead of a 700 MB Linux ISO on your website, it was a way for a master source to "crowdfund" hosting. It didn't try to be a P2P solution like Napster or Kazaa. That's also why they never got sued, nothing about the tool itself made it dubious in the the eyes of the law. The biggest problem with an index is spam and DDoS. For it to work well I think you'd have to do something more like RSS with digital signatures and PGP's web of trust. Like say if you find a torrent made by a release group, you can subscribe to their "channel" where only they can post new torrents + info about other "channels" they trust/no longer trust.

      Even then there's issues of propagation and when a client should start/stop searching for new posts. Then again magnet links are pretty small, might just say that every update is a full replacement with a timestamp and max limit like 1000 torrents * 20 (SHA-1) = ~20kb. So distributed host checks signature and timestamp, if newer replace RSS "feed". Client asks by signature hash and gets the latest version, can verify signature and start downloading the magnet links for more info on each entry. Web of trust can be done similarly, hash of trusted signature + trust value. It all sounds pretty doable...

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    6. Re:Distributed index by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Technically speaking, It's not impossible; The problem is that it's spammable/DoSable and will need an authority to either allow/deny nodes from inserting to index or someone like our good old friend 'hosts guy' to maintain a list of known good source nodes that people can download and only share the indexes from those.

      No authority is needed, because there isn't one already. In the centralized index situation, no human validates torrents uploaded to the centralized indices. Instead, the users do. If you go search for any blockbuster movie you care to name on Pirate Bay, you'll get 50 pages worth of hits. The first 10 to 15 hits might be useful, with various bitrate encodings and various subtitles and audio tracks in them, and then it very very quickly tails off into utter trash. It doesn't seem to hurt Pirate Bay. Nobody ever selects the torrents with zero seeds unless they're looking for something so niche that there's no other option, and no one seeds bogus torrents. Even their pathetic originators give up extremely quickly.

      And/Or other simple restrictions like limiting the number of torrents any node can add to the index.

      In a decentralized index, that limit is only in the local node, where it is easily removed. Not worth bothering to write the code in the first place.

      And/Or a voting system that allows all nodes to vote on others to help the client applications with prioritizing/filtering the index.

      The seed count effectively serves as a voting system today. It's by far the most useful metric. About the only other useful metric is a user-defined list of strings. Quality video encodings tend to have some release group tag in the torrent name. Easy enough to push priority up a bit if the user's preferred string is present.

      What's missing is implementing support for search within Mainline DHT. Kademlia DHT on which it is based has a scheme already designed:

      Filename searches are implemented using keywords. The filename is divided into its constituent words. Each of these keywords is hashed and stored in the network, together with the corresponding filename and file hash. A search involves choosing one of the keywords, contacting the node with an ID closest to that keyword hash, and retrieving the list of filenames that contain the keyword. Since every filename in the list has its hash attached, the chosen file can then be obtained in the normal way.

      Mainline DHT has omitted that functionality. If it were implemented, index sites would no longer be required.

      Obviously Mainline DHT traffic would increase substantially, but it would still be quite small compared to torrent traffic. Also, if it were implemented exactly as described, clients would be responsible for filtering results coming in from the DHT. Most users want the logical AND of their search terms, but Kademlia specifies a logical OR. Performing that processing is simple enough though, and of course the client could present results much like web search engines do, with results that contain as many of the keywords as possible presented first, followed by results with fewer and fewer matches. You don't get the fuzzy matching most of the web search engines employ doing that, but as it happens, you also don't get fuzzy matching from Pirate Bay search anymore, so that's no loss. Client authors then have the option of preemptively fetching .torrent files in order to get tracker lists to be able to rank the results by how active they are, or of waiting to let users do some manual culling first. That whole process is substantially slower than a centralized index site. Mainline DHT is anything but fast, most of the time. It is, however, bulletproof. As long as the DHT exists, files could be found.

      BEP 0005 specifies KRPC methods of ping, find_node, get_peers, and announce_peer. What's needed is a new BEP to extend the protocol, adding search_peers.

    7. Re:Distributed index by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 2

      No authority is needed, because there isn't one already. In the centralized index situation, no human validates torrents uploaded to the centralized indices. Instead, the users do.

      That was my point. there is some authority.

      Well no, there isn't. There is no one who says, "YIFY torrent, approved and available for download! Cell phone cam from random derp guy, disapproved, not available for download!" Everything is made available that parses as a torrent file, regardless of content, or whether or not the label actually matches the contents, and search results return them all. Then it's up to the users to figure out, individually, which torrents are actually valuable. Swarm size is the proxy of that determination. The whole thing is a great deal like the design of the Internet itself: the intelligence is at the edges. The core is as dumb as it can be.

      Maybe i should have been more clear. If you get say 50 torrents from a node in 22 hours you only advertise the first 16 to your peers if it's not in your trusted list.
      I still think there should be some restrictions because the index will become very large very fast.

      The nature of the DHT already prevents most floods. When your get_peers message has to bounce from node to node looking for one that's alive and owns the keyspace, it can take a good deal of time just to get a response at all.

      In any case, the universe of torrents on the Internet is much smaller than you might think. A random search result I just saw says 1.64 million torrents fits in 90 megs. Back when PirateBay still had the .torrent files available, there was some discussion of mirrors and everything they had at the time was less than 50 gigs. Today that number is bigger, but here's the thing. Now that PirateBay only has magnet links, those torrent files are already in the DHT. Adding search terms adds some number of hashes for each word, which points to the filenames and infohashes that are already in the system. Maybe a factor of 4 increase in bytes? Depending on the definition of a word when splitting the filenames and how efficiently clients implement it. There's something on the order of 25 million nodes in Mainline DHT. Let's say torrents have doubled, then multiply by our factor of 4, so 400 gigs. The burden on clients to store that data is now an average... 16,000 bytes each, up from 4,000 bytes. In other words, even with massive redundancy in the network, it's not even necessary to cull inactive torrents, let alone worry about bogus ones. Each torrent client that joins the DHT keeps a handful of megabytes of DHT data to keep the whole system running and even a concerted attack to pollute individual keywords would have difficulty making a dent in it.

      In addition, the way the DHT works, there really is no possibility of making a useful list of trusted nodes anyway. The network is constantly rebalancing itself. It has to. Node churn as people start up and shut down their machines and their clients is on the order of 10 million per day, and ordinarily, what DHT data a given node has is opaque to the user, and there's no point in making it visible because it changes all the time based on the mathematics in the system.

      People don't really think about it because it works so well and so silently, but Mainline DHT represents a gigantic amount of distributing computing power, in all categories (bandwidth, memory, CPU). For comparison, Folding@Home is lucky to muster 250,000 active nodes. DHT dwarfs it, at two orders of magnitude larger. It really can tolerate quite a lot of malfuckery and continue to function. After all, it already does.

  6. Re:Sucks but predictable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Been there done that.

    Having to create proxy identities for when they inevitably get raided or having the user info dumped by hackers is more hassle than just getting behind onion routing and going anon public. No thanks

  7. Volunteer Shutdowns Everywere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There have been multiple volunteer shutdowns in recent weeks, whether it's release groups like JYK or torrent sites like Nyaa. No information is ever revealed as to why they decided to shut down, just that it was voluntary. I assume somebody is putting a lot of pressure on these people and they're doing it to avoid criminal charges.

    This is clearly a far better approach to stopping piracy than suing a few downloaders, but I'm not sure they can win this game of whack-a-mole. Nyaa was almost immediately replaced by nyaa.pantsu.cat, while the Pirate Bay is still running as an alternative to ExtraTorrent. It'll be interesting to see what happens if they sustain this attack.

  8. Re:Another victim of terrible leftist laws by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 4, Informative

    The DMCA is a terrible leftist law passed in 1996 by a voice vote in the Republican controlled House and unanimous consent in the Republican controlled Senate.

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  9. naive question: what's wrong with piratebay by interkin3tic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is there a reason one would use a site like extratorrent rather than piratebay? They all just list torrents, right? I recognize I'm terribly uninformed when it comes to piracy, just wondering if I'm missing something.

    1. Re:naive question: what's wrong with piratebay by blahplusplus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "Is there a reason one would use a site like extratorrent rather than piratebay?

      Stuff on the pirate bay is only high quality if its popular, if you're more into stuff thats niche or you want high qualtiy stuff you need to go to other sites. Take Dragon ball Z a popular anime, you can get better rips from private trackers or specialty trackers who's fans are dedicated to uploading high quality rips. On TPB you will find everything but the quality will vary accordingly, much stuff on the pirate bay is only 'good enough' if you want average to bad video encoding quality and hence private trackers.

    2. Re:naive question: what's wrong with piratebay by BitterOak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is there a reason one would use a site like extratorrent rather than piratebay? They all just list torrents, right? I recognize I'm terribly uninformed when it comes to piracy, just wondering if I'm missing something.

      What's wrong with The Pirate Bay is that it is becoming the only torrent site. All the others are shutting down, which means when The Pirate Bay falls, there will be nothing left. It's dangerous to be too reliant on one site. Think they're too big to be shut down? Kickass Torrents was just as big. There needs to be more options. When there are only a few, they are targets. It will only be a matter of time before The Pirate Bay falls.

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    3. Re:naive question: what's wrong with piratebay by jaa101 · · Score: 2

      what is TPB?

      The Pirate Bay

      And also, was free & open-source software really not available already on its own webpage?

      Web servers use a server-client model that means the server has to have enough bandwidth to satisfy all the clients. Bittorrent is a peer-to-peer model which means all the clients help each other to pass around the data. This makes torrenting a good fit for distributing large datasets, like Linux distributions.

  10. Re:Hands down the best... by ArchieBunker · · Score: 2

    btdb.in (but watch out for pop up windows)

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  11. Re:Another victim of terrible leftist laws by Kinematics · · Score: 2

    I think you missed the sarcasm.

  12. Almost positive by gizmo2199 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That the torrent site operators got spooked after kickass torrents operator, Artem Vaulin lost his extradition request in Poland. Now anybody linked to a torrent site is potentially liable to spend a decade or more in a federal prison, even if they don't live or host anything in the U.S.

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  13. Why take his advice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Stay away from fake ExtraTorrent websites and clones.

    Ok, "fake" implies fraud, suggesting someone might phish for credentials, but why would people want to stay away from clones? That doesn't make sense. If someone liked this site, surely they'd prefer a clone over simply doing-without.

    The big question about stuff like this, is why do torrent site operators not try to have their sites outlast them? Why isn't there a torrent of all their data (maybe without user tables)? That they want their projects to die with them, suggests it's mainly about dicksize than the work itself.

  14. Re:Sucks but predictable by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

    Yep, the future of torrenting is on I2P. The only reason it hasn't been done is due to a chicken-and-egg popularity problem. It needs to be popular to be fast and have lots of content, and it needs to be fast and have lots of content to be popular.

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  15. Re:Leftist by quenda · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I view it as "leftist" because it expanded the powers of government at the expense of the people.

    The left in theory gives power to the people, while the right gives power to the aristocracy. The terms come from the French revolution.
    In the US, it is more government versus the elite and corporations. But since the latter controls the former, its a moot point.

  16. Re:Leftist by Altrag · · Score: 2

    That's not leftist. The left wants to protect average people from the rich and powerful who usually control things. Yes that usually amounts to expanded government (because who else has the ability to put checks on the already-powerful?) But expanding government in itself is not the goal. Most leftists would be perfectly happy with a smaller government if they could still get the protections they want.

    The DMCA on the other hand protects the profits of a few large corporations (ie: the rich an powerful,) at the cost of smaller corporations and average people. That's exactly the opposite of the leftist ideals. And just like the left generally has no problem shrinking government when its plausible to do so without losing protections, the right wingers generally have no problem expanding government the occasional time it benefits them.

    You also have to keep in mind that the Democratic party is only "left" in comparison to the Republicans. They're at best hovering around center if you consider the entire political spectrum. They may try to be more balanced about it but at the end of the day, the democrats are taking just as many bri^W campaign contributions from big corporations as the Republicans are.

  17. Re:Leftist by mjwx · · Score: 2

    I view it as "leftist" because it expanded the powers of government at the expense of the people.

    The left in theory gives power to the people, while the right gives power to the aristocracy. The terms come from the French revolution.
    In the US, it is more government versus the elite and corporations. But since the latter controls the former, its a moot point.

    This,

    It is authoritarian policies that give more power to the government and liberal (as in liberalism) polices that give more power to individuals.

    Authoritarian and liberal policies can be anywhere on the left-right spectrum.

    The DCMA and Copyright are definitely extreme right and extreme authoritarian as they're designed to empower corporations over everything else. The irony is that copyright was originally designed to empower individuals, it was still right leaning, but more liberal as it gave time limited monopolies to artists.

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  18. Re:Wrong by iggymanz · · Score: 2

    What stealing? The people selling content still have their fruits.

    Or to put it another way, for almost all of human history people could retell a story or replay a song. Now some thug gets a lawmaker in their pocket and makes that illegal except if you pay the thug. And you imagine yourself on the side of truth and righteousness siding with the thug.