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ReactOS 0.4.5 Released (reactos.org)

An anonymous reader shares Colin Finck's forum post announcing ReactOS version 0.4.5: The ReactOS Project is pleased to release version 0.4.5 as a continuation of its three month cadence. Beyond the usual range of bug fixes and syncs with external dependencies, a fair amount of effort has gone into the graphical subsystem. Thanks to the work of Katayama Hirofumi and Mark Jansen, ReactOS now better serves requests for fonts and font metrics, leading to an improved rendering of applications and a more pleasant user experience. Your continued donations have also funded a contract for Giannis Adamopoulos to fix every last quirk in our theming components. The merits of this work can be seen in ReactOS 0.4.5, which comes with a smoother themed user interface and the future promises to bring even more improvements. In another funded effort, Hermes Belusca-Maito has got MS Office 2010 to run under ReactOS, another application from the list of most voted apps. On top of this, there have been several major fixes in the kernel and drivers that should lead to stability improvements on real hardware and on long-running machines. The general notes, tests, and changelog for the release can be found at their respective links. ISO images and prepared VMs for testing can be downloaded here.

118 comments

  1. It is making progress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Soon it will catch up with GNU Hurd

    1. Re:It is making progress by The123king · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I didn't know GNU Hurd could run MS Office 2010!

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  2. What about OS/2 ? ArcaOS ? by martiniturbide · · Score: 2, Informative

    Slashdot posted this on the main page and didn't want to post that ArcaOS was released ??? https://www.arcanoae.com/produ...

    1. Re:What about OS/2 ? ArcaOS ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You missed the "Stuff that matters" part.

    2. Re:What about OS/2 ? ArcaOS ? by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Slashdot posted this on the main page and didn't want to post that ArcaOS was released ???

      Why don't both of you OS/2 users have your own forum?

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    3. Re:What about OS/2 ? ArcaOS ? by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ArcaOS isn't open source. From the point of view of most Slashdotters it's just another proprietary operating system, and not even a particularly significant one. I suspect most of us would be more excited by an update to AmigaOS, but even that wouldn't make the cut these days here.

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    4. Re:What about OS/2 ? ArcaOS ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      holy fuck was that hilarious.

    5. Re:What about OS/2 ? ArcaOS ? by The123king · · Score: 1

      OS/2 doesn't matter. Unless you support ATMs or digital signage

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    6. Re:What about OS/2 ? ArcaOS ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OS/2 is superior to Windows and OS X.

    7. Re:What about OS/2 ? ArcaOS ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could also argue that ReactOS doesn't matter... so how about another BS political story.

    8. Re:What about OS/2 ? ArcaOS ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, as long as the 'drivers' your machine needs involves talking dinosaurs on treadmills.

    9. Re:What about OS/2 ? ArcaOS ? by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 2

      I haven't seen an ATM using OS/2 in two decades. It is all Windows

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    10. Re: What about OS/2 ? ArcaOS ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... and that is why they will release OS/2 Warp 10 Millenium edition later this year to directly combat Windows 10 taking the OS/2 install base share. It will be like when Firefox 3 was released.

    11. Re: What about OS/2 ? ArcaOS ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, they probably have more users than ReactOS.

    12. Re:What about OS/2 ? ArcaOS ? by dknj · · Score: 1

      QNX is still out there in droves. All those small gas station ATMs? Yea baby, running off a 1.44MB floppydisk

    13. Re:What about OS/2 ? ArcaOS ? by wjcofkc · · Score: 1

      Have you seen the pricing for ArcaOS? They say they are charging this to ensure continued development, offer consulting, etc... Their list of partners is not at all inspiring, and they don't seem to know how to work WordPress. Anyone buying this is going to find themselves with an unsupported product. The market for what they are trying to do on the level they seem to be expecting quite simply does not exist. Not newsworthy unless you are desperate for a story who's posts max out at 15 - 20, all saying what I'm saying, while not getting modded because why waste the points.

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    14. Re:What about OS/2 ? ArcaOS ? by snookiex · · Score: 1

      They could join the 5 Windows Phone users and the 15 desktop Linux users!

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    15. Re:What about OS/2 ? ArcaOS ? by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      I can't tell what OS mine runs. I just see a blue screen.

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    16. Re:What about OS/2 ? ArcaOS ? by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1

      Your numbers on Linux desktop users is quite a bit off... I have over 30 users on Linux desktop, two small businesses and a bunch of neighbors/friends/relatives.. One of the businesses flat refuses to allow ANYthing MS on any computers in his home or office..

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    17. Re: What about OS/2 ? ArcaOS ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Drivers and software annual subscription package for OS/2 and eCS.

      You have to pay to get the drivers AND the software from them? So they release an OS that you pay for, then ask you to pay for the drivers then ask to pay for the softwar. Are. You. Fucking. Kidding. Me.

    18. Re:What about OS/2 ? ArcaOS ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, is someone updating AmigaOS?

    19. Re:What about OS/2 ? ArcaOS ? by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1

      I have more than five Linux users in my family. No one uses Windows except my step-mother, my real (90 year old) mother is an Apple user, and has been since Apple ][ (prior to that, IBM 709 and 7090).

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    20. Re:What about OS/2 ? ArcaOS ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For that kind of news go to osnews.com

    21. Re:What about OS/2 ? ArcaOS ? by The123king · · Score: 1

      You're right. At the moment it doesn't matter. Find me some piece of infrastructure running ReactOS, and i'll change my comment

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  3. LOOKOUT WINDOWS NT 4! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You've got competition!

  4. more multitasking DOS? Try Spectre by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OS/2 isnt open source,.

  5. I would bone all OS's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    EXcept Windoze Micro$oft

  6. New Jersey Girl said Re:I would bone all OS's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And you talk funny. Hoboken?

  7. I am unsure what the use case for this is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean, just run Windows NT in a vm and away you go. Seems like a colossal waste of time.

    1. Re:I am unsure what the use case for this is. by ledow · · Score: 1

      You could say the same about every emulator author, about every piece of FreeDOS, about every legacy piece of software that people still use.

      Nobody is seriously suggesting running a multinational corporation on this.

      But it's a great project for someone to hack on, make visible progress, and which others can utilise and check the success of without having to licence software.

      P.S. What's a license cost to run Windows NT in a VM? Because for sure it's a use-case that won't be covered under any non-volume licences, and the volume ones don't stretch below XP do they?

      And nobody in their right mind would run MS software contrary to licensing in a business when any employee could dob them in, no matter how old the software.

      They'd probably need to licence it. Or, if it was some random piece of Windows-98 based expensive CAD software that's not made any more, drives a huge machine, there is no replacement that less than the cost of all the machinery too, they'd probably want a Windows-like emulation environment that doesn't cost them anything and which they don't need to buy licenses for, and which they could customise to their usage... gosh, wonder where they could find that...

      Also, the ReactOS bits feed back into things like Wine, and there have been success companies who made money on the basis of charging people to let them run bespoke versions of Wine to run their legacy Windows software on other OS. Crossover comes to mind. Which I own licences for. Because at one point it was the only way to run certain things on OS that I needed them to run on.

      Just because YOU would just pirate Windows NT in a VM, doesn't mean that you're at all a use-case for something like ReactOS and can speak for everyone.

      P.S. No, I don't use ReactOS or develop it. But I can see why people would. Hell, DOS, AmigaOS, RiscOS, OS/2 etc. and/or their clones were all still alive and well.last I checked.

    2. Re:I am unsure what the use case for this is. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I don't use ReactOS or develop it. But I can see why people would.

      IMNSHO what people are actually confused by is the ongoing apparent insistence that one ought to use ReactOS for real work, not that it exists at all. Obviously it has hack value.

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    3. Re:I am unsure what the use case for this is. by Scoth · · Score: 1

      I mostly blame the media for this, even the some somewhat geeky sites. Every time a bit of ReactOS news comes out, the breathless articles about the amazing "Windows-Exact Replacement OS!!!" pop up that seem to misunderstand or misrepresent what state ReactOS is in. People try it, find out it's still very much an alpha, and you end up with the sort of reactions you see on /.

    4. Re:I am unsure what the use case for this is. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      No, FreeDOS actually does DOS' job, which is a tiny little job which someone else can reasonably do. Even Microsoft doesn't know how they do what they do these days, which is why they do things like write specifications that say "do what the software does here". Anything more complex than DOS leaves them mystified by their own efforts.

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  8. For those unaware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ReactOS is an open source NT environment. Much like Linux is an open source POSIX environment, but with fewer rabid fans and at an earlier stage of development.

    1. Re:For those unaware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and much slower progress. I mean Linux is only 5 years older then React, and React has a long way to go after 20 years before it's ready for release.

    2. Re: For those unaware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it also compatible with SMB 1 to the point that you wanna cry, compatible without any crying, or just not compatible at all?

    3. Re:For those unaware by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

      I don't think Linux is POSIX compliant since systemd.

    4. Re:For those unaware by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

      You cannot really be that stupid.

  9. Cut the Putin/Russia/KGB-bullshit please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ReactOS may have started with mainly Russian developers, but is today an open-source project with collaborators from all over the world. The project has no allegiance to any country or political organisation.

    ReactOS is a safe, secure, open-source and Windows binary compatible OS, that's all there is to it.

  10. I Love Linux, But... by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 0

    ...somebody really needs to talk to these writers pimping the distros about appropriate language. Who unfamiliar with Linux would ever spend time with an operating system touting how much better its stability or font choices are now, compared to the previous release? It's like Ford saying, "Hey, get this new Camry, the brakes work pretty well now!" Or Chevrolet touting its new Silverado with "At Last! The radio stations all come in clearly! Yay, us!"

    Again, I love Linux, and have been using it on my desktop since the 90s, but no one should ever wonder why it struggles to gain acceptance -- or, for that matter, why The GIMP will never get the traction of a PhotoShop.

    1. Re:I Love Linux, But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does Ford have to do with Toyota car brakes, or Linux to do with a Windows NT clone?

    2. Re:I Love Linux, But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... and what the hell does any of your comment about Linux have to do with ReactOS?

    3. Re:I Love Linux, But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ReactOS isn't a Linux distro.

    4. Re:I Love Linux, But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Excellent questions. The OP thinks ReactOS is a plain Linux distro. Jeez.

    5. Re:I Love Linux, But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      six digit uid, but a two digit IQ.

      You *really* thought ReactOS was Linux based? Sheesh.

    6. Re:I Love Linux, But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or, for that matter, why The GIMP will never get the traction of a PhotoShop.

      GIMP is fairly benign compared to a lot different stuff.
      The only problem with it is that it has a meaning in English, but it isn't that bad really.
      At least one car manufacturer have released a car with a name that literally translates to "cunt" in my language.

      You have to be pretty immature to get stuck on stuff like that, and extremely unprofessional to let the name impact your business decisions.

    7. Re:I Love Linux, But... by wcb4 · · Score: 2

      if its a "business decision" as to using GIMP or Photoshop, then you will use Photoshop. Stating it as a business decision means that your business relies upon functionality and efficiency in workflow, neother of which describe GIMP. GIMP can do wonderful things in the hands of people who know it well. Photoshop can do equally wonderful things in the hands of people who know IT well, and they can do it faster, and their work will better interface with the workflow for any pro shop that does photo manipulation.

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    8. Re:I Love Linux, But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You uh, you do know that Toyota makes the Camry, not Ford, right?

    9. Re:I Love Linux, But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Faster is the key! FUCKING CHRIST! Gimp is slow. Incredibly slow. Pick any filter. I don't care what. Even something as simple as a gaussian blur. Takes at least twice as long in GIMP. Everything takes longer in GIMP. Even the redo function! I'm tired of people just focusing on features. Yes, Photoshop completely blows GIMP out of the water in terms of features, enough to make GIMP out to be a disgusting fucking joke of itself. But, the speed! My God, the speed. It's like comparing a snail to a cheetah, without even getting into GIMP's basic lack of hardware acceleration. GIMP is pure garbage. The worst image editing application on any platform, of any license. You want a real competitor to Photoshop? Paint Shop Pro. The instant anyone mentions GIMP you can automatically know that they have ZERO clue what they're doing.

    10. Re:I Love Linux, But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You uh, you do know that Toyota makes the Camry, not Ford, right?

      Ford makes Camrys in the same way as ReactOS is a Linux distro.

    11. Re:I Love Linux, But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how much did you pay for your GIMP 'license'? I suppose Daddy pays for your Photoshop license so you don't know any better. Your utterly clueless comment is what is garbage.

      The low information comments that now populate slashdot are why I am a very infrequent visitor now. Man. ~

    12. Re: I Love Linux, But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah because its not common for professional graphic designers and photographers to buy a Photoshop license.

    13. Re: I Love Linux, But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah, not everyone in the entire world with a need for a powerful graphic program needs, or can afford, Photoshop.

      But in your myopic little world payed for by Daddy, since you don't like it, then no one should have it, right. Right. The real world is far bigger, and different than MTV and your phone.

  11. Office 2010 runs under ReactOS? by blind+biker · · Score: 2

    Holy cow, I am more than happy with Office 2007, for my scientific publishing! If Firefox (for Zotero) works, too, I would be 70% there to ditch Windows.

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    1. Re:Office 2010 runs under ReactOS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, exactly !

      I want to check out its support for POSIX async sockets.
      If the networking layer has matured enought to support them, it opens the door to running Tor on it too... happy days !

    2. Re:Office 2010 runs under ReactOS? by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      Replying to own post in spite of poor form (or so they say?): Firefox works!! Maybe I can find a version of SolidWorks that runs in ReactoOS, and I'm set.

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    3. Re:Office 2010 runs under ReactOS? by sremick · · Score: 1

      Not meant to be snarky, but genuinely curious: I don't do scientific publishing so I recognize that I'm out of my league but what sorts of things do you do in MS Office that can't be done in LibreOffice?

    4. Re:Office 2010 runs under ReactOS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my experience the problem isn't really what can be done or not.
      LibreOffice provides every feature I want from an office package.
      The problem is that I usually get documents sent to me that are saved in a Microsoft proprietary software and if I view them in LibreOffice I am not confident that everything in them is correctly displayed.
      If a customer added annotations that aren't properly shown for some reason it would cause a lot of trouble down the road.

    5. Re:Office 2010 runs under ReactOS? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      The problem is that I usually get documents sent to me that are saved in a Microsoft proprietary software and if I view them in LibreOffice I am not confident that everything in them is correctly displayed.

      When you define interoperability as "impossible" then you aren't going to ever get interoperability.

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    6. Re:Office 2010 runs under ReactOS? by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      Looks like no researcher has answered your question, so here goes: the great majority of journals (at least in the natural sciences) have a word document template which you must use to submit the article. Some accept LaTeX, but they're the minority.

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    7. Re:Office 2010 runs under ReactOS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I call BS! You aren't a really a scientist. Real scientists only use TeX. Got you!

    8. Re:Office 2010 runs under ReactOS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And why can't you open said template in libreoffice?

    9. Re:Office 2010 runs under ReactOS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some accept LaTeX, but they're the minority.

      Depends on your field though. LaTeX is the default for all major journals in physics and mathematics, and probably quite a few computer science journals as well.

    10. Re:Office 2010 runs under ReactOS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hadn't run into a single journal that didn't provide a LaTeX template.

    11. Re:Office 2010 runs under ReactOS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the real world people don't care about your niche appetite for a format which is less properly supported by the number one office app and which complicates their life. You become that guy, the annoying bastard who can't just let anyone live their life.

    12. Re:Office 2010 runs under ReactOS? by armanox · · Score: 1

      Well, given that Microsoft Office doesn't look the same computer to computer, version to version, you have quite a problem there...

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  12. Why the mention of funding? by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

    I thought this is supposed to be free. Built by the sweat and tears of volunteers. Why would they need funding if it's free? We're told software (and by extension, music) doesn't cost anything which is why "sharing" (with 100 million of your "friends") doesn't cost companies anything.

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    1. Re:Why the mention of funding? by Wulf2k · · Score: 1

      Are you having a stroke?

    2. Re:Why the mention of funding? by ausekilis · · Score: 1

      They mention funding because in many cases it is someones job to provide free software for the betterment of the whole. Linux-based OS's are free, but the Linux foundation (the folks behind development of the kernel) is funded by partners like RedHat, Dell, HP, Intel, and even Microsoft.

      ReactOS is free as in beer and as in speech, but if you like it or want to support it in some way, sending a few dollars their way is the best way to do it.

    3. Re:Why the mention of funding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coding boring software is, quite often, boring. Few people are willing to do that.

      A little money can help make things happen.

      This is why you're not seeing many open source office suites around. (And the one you're thinking of was coded by a corporation and later donated to the OSS community. It wasn't coded from scratch by RMS himself.)

      For the specific case of ReactOS, they're funding someone to go fix all the bugs in a single area of code. Something nobody else would willingly choose to do.

    4. Re:Why the mention of funding? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      It's free for you because people like me donate money and the developers donate significant time and energy. You're welcome.

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  13. How is this better than crossover-office? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    crossover seems to run a hell of a lot more than this junk

    1. Re:How is this better than crossover-office? by ledow · · Score: 1

      ReactOS is an OS. And is free. And open-source. And works as a plug-in Win32 API compatible replacement, including drivers and low-level interactions.

      Crossover is just a program that runs on Linux. And costs money. And is closed-source but based on WINE. And is basically a shim to convert certain Win32 API calls so can't work for low-level drivers, etc.

      If you don't know the difference, you haven't done a single Google search.

    2. Re:How is this better than crossover-office? by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      wine and react share libraries...

  14. An effort in insane futility.... by CraigCruden · · Score: 0

    Trying to basically create a clone of an operating system that is past it's prime -- and by the time it is "fully functional" all the software that you wanted to keep running on a WinXP clone has long past it's prime....

    Effort would be best spent trying to create a new OS or new UI for an existing open source OS but this just seems like taking a love of an old UI to an insane level. For gods sake, it started it's history almost 20 years ago....

    1. Re:An effort in insane futility.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MS is making moves towards abandoning 'legacy' Windows. There is a significant potential demand for a supported legacy Windows platform. ReactOS is finally getting close to being that platform (running Office 2010 seems fairly significant).

    2. Re:An effort in insane futility.... by OrangeTide · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I dunno, I wouldn't mind a Windows-compatible OS that is open source and doesn't include a bunch of weird Microsoft marketing telemetry.

      I'm a professional Linux developer, and I think there is room in this world for more than one open source operating system. And I still run "legacy" software, why replace software it is working fine and serves my needs, or if it is irreplaceable like a favorite old game?

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    3. Re:An effort in insane futility.... by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

      It's their time, they can spend it however. Personally, I've seen enough struggle with old software on Windows 10 that having drop-in user mode libraries to debug at source level might be useful. Just being able to see the arguments passed in might make the difference in creating a custom solution or just providing a shim to make it work.

      Classic Shell is no longer open source, but ReactOS is devoting effort to make explorer work as a drop in replacement. Use it as the shell on vista or server 2003, fix what it doesn't do right, then fix reactos, or Wine, so it behaves. Just that component alone is worth it to me.

      Not sure how it works with later versions, but the source is there and available. The recent theming work is almost certainly in Explorer and related components, and likely fixes issues not uniquely within the scope of themes.

    4. Re:An effort in insane futility.... by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

      I dunno, I wouldn't mind a Windows-compatible OS that is open source and doesn't include a bunch of weird Microsoft marketing telemetry.

      I think this is largely the answer. Right now, there isn't quite an uproar over Windows 10 because the majority of the people who have an issue with it are camping out on Win7. If Microsoft keeps the trajectory of Win10 the way it's going (telemetry, forced updates with poor QA, 'features' that satisfy relatively few people, auto-installed apps, near-insistence on MS accounts for login, etc.), 2020 is going to be a year of reckoning for Microsoft.

      Meanwhile, with Apple all but abandoning the pro market, and MS putting pressure on moving everything to the app store model, it's going to leave a whole lot of high-end software developers looking for a home for their software to run...and as much as I'd love to run proprietary software alongside FOSS in Linux, either a whole lot of expensive hardware is destined for a landfill or we'll find ourselves in a world where we'll be paying for driver development.

      Enter ReactOS.

    5. Re:An effort in insane futility.... by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      Trying to basically create a clone of an operating system that is past it's prime -- and by the time it is "fully functional" all the software that you wanted to keep running on a WinXP clone has long past it's prime....

      Effort would be best spent trying to create a new OS or new UI for an existing open source OS but this just seems like taking a love of an old UI to an insane level. For gods sake, it started it's history almost 20 years ago....

      General purpose operating system market is maturing to the point where in majority of cases value derived by improvements will never outweigh cost of change absorbed by end users.

    6. Re:An effort in insane futility.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once upon a time I had to downclock systems and run freedos on them to be able to replace the 486 dos computer that ran the automatic milking machines for a small dairy farm because they couldn't afford to spend $100k for a new version of the application. There are thousands of little edge and fringe cases/industries like this. ReactOS will have a purpose.

    7. Re:An effort in insane futility.... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      For the purposes of software preservation, this is plenty useful. If you want to run old software for any reason, this is far better than WINE (even with what they share) and more ethical and more secure than trying to track down a pirate copy of XP.

    8. Re:An effort in insane futility.... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It's not that there's no demand for it. It's that there's not enough demand to actually make it happen. It's a much harder job than making a Unixlike OS, which is actually excruciatingly well-documented and understood; Windows is just a collection of hacks at this point. Even Microsoft has little understanding of the way any of their complex software works. That's why they can do things like write a spec which says "do what Word does here".

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  15. Even free stuff has a cost by FrankOVD · · Score: 1

    Even Free stuff developed by volunteers need money for their basic operating fees (ie : do you think their website hosts itself out of thin air?)

    1. Re:Even free stuff has a cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are programming languages that are able to compile it's own source code, so a self-hosting web site shouldn't be that much of a stretch.

      Plus, a Raspberry Pi at a volunteers home DSL connection should do the trick as well.

    2. Re:Even free stuff has a cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [...]Plus, a Raspberry Pi at a volunteers home DSL connection should do the trick as well.

      So... YOU are volunteering then. RIGHT? Right. ~

  16. Numbering system by ISoldat53 · · Score: 5, Funny

    0.4.5 Does this mean that it is half way to being half way to being released?

    1. Re:Numbering system by ByteSlicer · · Score: 3, Funny

      0.4.5 Does this mean that it is half way to being half way to being released?

      No, it means the next release will be 0.4.5.6 .

    2. Re:Numbering system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm waiting for version 0.4.5.6.7

  17. Can it run... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Overwatch??

    I'm guessing not. When it can function well as a gaming system alternative to Windows we will be getting somewhere. Until then, I'll continue to run Linux with Wine. Maybe I'll put ReactOS on my old rig and do some testing.

    1. Re:Can it run... by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      If you can play games in Wine then there is some real possibility they will work well in ReactOS.

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  18. That's wonderful news! by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

    What the hell is "ReactOS"?

    1. Re:That's wonderful news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First things first: What the hell is "Google"?

    2. Re:That's wonderful news! by Sperbels · · Score: 2
    3. Re: That's wonderful news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL can we somehow create a never ending loop? Googling google for google, to find out about google.

    4. Re: That's wonderful news! by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

      No for fuck sake, if you do that you will break the Internet!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  19. Laugh all you want but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A fine example of enginuity is how NDISwrapper was written to use Micro$oft network adapter driver code on Linux.

    Qemu brings everything else that Wine cant.

    1. Re: Laugh all you want but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A fine example of spelling is ingenuity

  20. I feel like it's finally paying off by OrangeTide · · Score: 0

    I've been donating to the project for a few years. I hope it is helping the developers focus more time on working on ReactOS and getting the resources they need. My long term plan is to switch to ReactOS once Windows 7 is killed off by Microsoft. (extended support ends January 14, 2020)

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    1. Re:I feel like it's finally paying off by hey! · · Score: 1

      I've been donating to the project for a few years. I hope it is helping the developers focus more time on working on ReactOS and getting the resources they need.

      I just want to say, good for you. Too often the only thing people contribute to a project are complaints that it's not going fast enough.

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  21. A good GUI and immediate apps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ive been playing with the Floating Apps package on Android as a target for backportable development. Sun made a great desktop GUI known as Xig or whatever, likely what inspired the GUI of Android being 2.5D.

    Apps arent supposed to be constricted by the OS, and Microsoft is doing just that in ways of politics and policies not configurable in their goddamn Control Panel.

  22. Wine needs a Control Panel. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To be configured while running a Win32 application and not need to restart is what people wanted, not a standalone. Wine was said to be a performance edge by bringing Win32 to the kernel, only professional gamers would benefit from lower latencies of IO.

  23. Windows NT4 port to DEC Alpha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    was written by DEC employees, not Microsoft. NT4 on DEC Alpha was merely Microsoft api sitting on VMS, and you had a high performant gui with low latency io that you could tell wasn't from Microsoft. DEC Alpha Windows NT4 is unlike any version of Windows. Also consider that all other NT4 OS ports had terrible USB drivers and Microsoft made the upgradepath to just more hardware drivers. Private companies already embraced and extended NT to provide those without Microsoft. So what the hell is Microsoft doing, an architecture or a paperboy route?

    Lots of Evidence Windows 2000 can be run with modern hatdware and drivers backported to it. NT4 on DEC Alpha is faster bootup feel than was the assumed Instant-On of an Apple Mac.

  24. 20 years by Holi · · Score: 0

    What's the point of putting a failed OSS project on the front page. ReactOS has been trying for 20 years, at this point when they are done with their XP clone there will be no software that runs on it.

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    1. Re: 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ReactOS is a Windows 2003 Server SP2 clone. Look when that SP2 was released, instead showing here and there that you dont even know which target they are aiming.

  25. I wonder? by Comboman · · Score: 1

    I wonder if it is fully compatible with the wide range of viruses, trojans, worms and other vulnerabilities that Windows NT supports?

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  26. What do Slashdotters actually think of this OS? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

    Leave comments. I'd like to know. I've been struggling with trying to get Linux Mint working with WINE for the one or two pieces of software that there are no Linux equivalents of, and if this ReactOS is looking decent I'd try it. Please don't query me about 'what Windows software I can't do without' or similar, please stick with the question I'm asking, thanks. :-)

    1. Re:What do Slashdotters actually think of this OS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've successfully run a lot of different Windows applications on previous versions of ReactOS. It performs much better than WINE in that respect.
      But I have no need for Windows device drivers, which is supposed to be the real use case--especially as easy as it is to run an XP guest on VirtualBox these days. For ordinary Windows apps with poor WINE support and without special hardware requirements, that's the way to go. It's so annoying to leave Linux just to run one program.

    2. Re:What do Slashdotters actually think of this OS? by Dudds · · Score: 3, Informative

      ReactOS is an interesting project and that's about it so far. It has a lot of unimplemented APIs, or "just enough" APIs. This doesn't sound too bad when you realize it can run low level drivers for networking, basic video and Firefox, but it becomes much more apparent how incomplete, and unfortunately unstable, this OS really is:
      - The UI can hard lock randomly
      - A lot of the Win32 layer is based on Wine, which means it's a port, and has a lot of issues running programs, even Firefox
      - Video acceleration is completely absent, let alone 3d, 2d acceleration isn't there
      - Due to no acceleration, scrolling in Firefox brings back the days of slow modems as you watch chunks of the screen fill in, even after the page has loaded
      - VERY RUDIMENTARY NT kernel APIs... IE you need an external wireless manager to use WiFi, if you can get a WiFi driver running at all
      - Most drivers won't work, even if you force them in... only basic ones, like some of the virtio ones, even work
      - The networking is very basic and lacks any advanced functionality, firewall included
      - No IPv6 support... you don't care until you do
      - Bare bones NTFS support (readonly) and FAT support is really just "read and write files"
      - File explorer is very buggy and simple, crashing with even the most basic of operations, ie moving files
      - No UNC paths and poor integration of Samba means no file sharing or a long road to maybe getting smbclient to work

      Aside from all those issues, really it's the random hanging of software, the UI, lack of acceleration and minimal implementation of APIs that makes this not really usable beyond curiosity. It'd be REALLY hard to use this in any daily situation without A LOT of frustration. Running it in a VM means it boots quick, but after the 30th reboot "just playing around," it's a no go for me.

    3. Re:What do Slashdotters actually think of this OS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      has a lot of issues running programs, even Firefox

      Why would you want to run free software on ReactOS?
      Isn't it for stuff that needs Windows?

    4. Re:What do Slashdotters actually think of this OS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I'd be interested in seeing if the adobe cc suite (particularly premiere, after effects, etc) run and are able to use nvidia drivers for hardware rendering, as well as Reason and Renoise for my music stuff. If so.. might be worth putting on my travel pack.

    5. Re:What do Slashdotters actually think of this OS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a forum of Linux dire fans. Most of them will tell you that any Linux app can replace a Windows app, like Photoshop can be replaced by GIMP or Microsoft Office with Libre Office. The point is that this is true to half, GIMP cannot do print stuff except the basic black and Libre Office is useless if you use complex formulas or packages made for Excel.

      Wine emulates (or not) just enough apps for let these nerds brag that is 100% compatible with Windows, is another half true. If you see the Wine logs several "tests" read alike "I opened this app and I could see the About dialog box, so I think it works fully now". This is not a complete test just a non crash test.

      React OS as far I know let you emulate apps at Windows XP level as best, which may be too old for your workflow. Unless they iron the bugs, add features and try to move to Vista/7 compatiblity, you will get only a toy OS that is good for vintage computers.

      Your best deal is a VM, I used it for keep alive an old lexmarx X5100 series printer that only has proper drivers in Windows XP.

  27. WanaCry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want the real Windows experience with ReactOS. Is it vulnerable to WanaCry/WannaDecrypt0r?

    I'll just wait for a more compatible version if it is not. Otherwise, I'll be missing out.

  28. no ntfs no ext4. just fat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a minimum, ReactOS needs to add support for fuse so that ntfs (ntfs3g) may be used.

    At this point, support for ext4 or some modern journaled file system is expected.

    Politics of the project prevent anything but FAT.

    1. Re: no ntfs no ext4. just fat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? You should go and read a bit before speaking

  29. What would really wipe out ReactOS... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is if Microsoft officially released all of the source code to both Windows XP and Windows Phone on GitHub. It would be a strategic move to find and fix all of the security issues in the Windows platform, cause GitHub to crash repeatedly (that's a bonus for Microsoft), absolutely crush it in the mobile space, and have the minor side effect of shutting down ReactOS and any similar projects overnight. iOS would also suddenly be the oddball OS without public source code in the mobile world we live in.

  30. Again with ReactOS by ze_foster · · Score: 1

    Improved graphics in ReactOS is like improving the quality of a jump off a cliff: the improvements may be nice for an observer, but as the person jumping, my patience for testing ReactOS is nearing an end. If you get it working and charge 10% of what Microsoft charges, you will retire early, and I'll ask you to STFU and take my money.

    But so far I haven't found a version of ReactOS that gets past my first attempts at using the internet: something bizarre always goes wrong that I can't find documentation for, and I admit, I'm not going to try very hard when I'm a Linux user since 1992 where shit works.

    But I must admit: get this working, and you are on to something really, hugely big. I offer to carry you through the ticker-tape parade that will thank you for eliminating Micro$oft.