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Texas Legislature Clears Road For Uber and Lyft To Return To Austin (austinmonitor.com)

schwit1 shared this article from the Austin Monitor: The Texas Legislature has cleared the road for Uber and Lyft to return to Austin on their own terms. On Wednesday, the state Senate overwhelmingly approved House Bill 100 on second and third readings, sending the statewide ride-hailing regulations to Governor Greg Abbott's desk for his signature. If Abbott signs it, as he is expected to do, the new law will preempt regulations City Council passed in December 2015 that both Uber and Lyft deemed too restrictive on transportation network companies such as themselves.
The new rules still require criminal background checks, but drop the requirement for fingerprinting. "We find it unfortunate that the 36 lobbyists deployed by the Silicon Valley giants were effective in convincing the State Legislature that there was a need to overrule the Austin voters," said a local ride-sharing company, which vowed to continue operating -- and to at least continue fingerprinting their own drivers. Houston's mayor complained the new statewide rules handed down are "another example of the legislature circumventing local control to allow corporations to profit at the expense of public safety."

107 comments

  1. Hooray! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now all the poor people can "side hustle" their life away!

    1. Re:Hooray! by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Why do they call it a "hustle" in their ads anyway? "Hustle" is more commonly used to refer to a scam than to legitimate moonlighting.

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    2. Re:Hooray! by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Yes. The ad is intentionally misleading, in that it is the drivers who are being hustled by Uber.

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  2. Their loss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uber is a steaming pile of shit. Lyft no so much. Transportation should be a municipal service. There's millions of dollars in municipal revenue they're throwing away..

    1. Re:Their loss by schwit1 · · Score: 1

      A government service(monopoly) would cost twice as much and work half as well.

    2. Re: Their loss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      a government service is not a monopoly ffs because it is accountable to voters and doesnt work on profit motive. and ubers system of one car per passenger is eay less efficient than most public transportation, rhe waste and the overhead forced on the drivers is insanely wasteful and only operates at a loss and to the benfit of the upper class.

    3. Re:Their loss by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      No municipal transit service can cover every address, unless the city is rich enough to afford dial-a-ride for all. That's why every municipal bus service tries to serve too many small stops, resulting in it being too slow for all but the poor and drunk to ride. Let's see ridesharing as a supplement to a transit system that runs fast enough for riders who get transported to and from the stops on it to actually want to use it.

    4. Re: Their loss by PoopJuggler · · Score: 1

      It would be trivial to implement a municipal transit service that works just like Uber. Trivial. Cities complain about lack of revenue and then throw away millions of dollars of the easiest revenue possible to private companies.

    5. Re: Their loss by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      a government service is not a monopoly ffs because it is accountable to voters

      Bwaaahaahaahaa!!

      Yeah, "accountable" like the NSA, CIA, FBI, DoJ, IRS (hi Lois!), the Veterans Administration, etc etc etc.

      How many in the NSA have been or likely will be held accountable for withholding vital information about critical vulnerabilities in essential US infrastructure?

      And you expect accountability in a government-run taxi service!? Are you insane!?

      Government is not the solution, government is the problem. It's the reason the current taxi system sucks so bad that Uber and Lyft have a viable market in the first place.

      Strat

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    6. Re:Their loss by freudigst · · Score: 1

      Which fails to address the main issue one iota: Why can't the companies even (be) bother(ed) to identify the drivers for the sake of safety?

      The shortsightedness of the average tech moron is astounding to observe. Then again, it's not like long hours in front of a computer offer any perspective on life at large...

    7. Re: Their loss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't argue this very good point to Progressives. Government is their God.

    8. Re:Their loss by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Except that can't either because it costs too much. Hint that's what Uber is after government subsidies....

    9. Re: Their loss by slashdotwannabe · · Score: 1

      Government is not the solution, government is the problem

      Corporations can also be problematic, often times FAR more problematic. Things like regulatory capture are at their root corporate corruption, not government corruption. In any event, approaching the question of whether government or corporate control over some resource and/or market from a dogmatic "government is the problem!" attitude betrays ideology, not intellect.

      It's the reason the current taxi system sucks so bad that Uber and Lyft have a viable market in the first place.

      Are there any government regulations prohibiting innovation in the taxi market? Then what is your basis for making the claim that "government is the reason the taxi system sucks"?

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  3. Imagine that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Republicans voting in favor of the interests of big corporations. How shocking...

  4. Houston by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Houston's mayor complained the new statewide rules handed down are "another example of the legislature circumventing local control to allow corporations to profit at the expense of public safety."

    Yeah come to Houston, see the paradise. Apparently Sylvester doesn't see the irony in complaining about public safety given the state of the surface streets in Houston. And suddenly Houston is a big believer in local control when there is ideology and politics at stake. Previously they had no problem ceding control to state and federal levels when it suited them. Finally Houston wouldn't exist on anyone's map without oil & gas and refining which put a lot of people's public safety at risk.

    1. Re:Houston by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Yes, Houston is a shit hole, but it seems to be transitioning away from oil and gas and into health care.

      Having had a close-up look over the past year, I can attest that all of Texas is a shit hole and much of the shittiness comes from the state legislature and the governor's office. Audacious gerrymandering has turned the state into a one-party system that would make North Korea envious. There is inexorable change coming, though. The thing about gerrymandering is that it only works for a while and you start to get diminishing returns.

      Unfortunately, that still won't do anything about the fact that Texas is one of the most physically ugly places on Earth. Geographically-speaking. I've never been anywhere less picturesque.

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    2. Re:Houston by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So Houston shouldn't require finger printing of drivers because of the state of the surface streets? What does one have to do with the other?

    3. Re: Houston by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just landed in Phoenix and, well, I think I got a new one for you.

    4. Re:Houston by ZipK · · Score: 2

      The thing about gerrymandering is that it only works for a while and you start to get diminishing returns.

      Once you've gerrymandered yourself into place, what can displace you?

    5. Re:Houston by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Once you've gerrymandered yourself into place, what can displace you?

      People move. Neighborhoods change. There's an election every two years. For example, some time back Texas had a law where you could only redraw districts every ten years. Texas realized that their safe gerrymandered districts were no longer safe. Passed a law saying they could have a "special" redraw (this is when Tom DeLay was in Congress, before he went to prison). The backlash saw a bunch of Republican districts flip to Democratic control. Not enough to take over power, but enough to scare them from trying that move again.

      Texas is inexorably becoming a blue state. There are court cases to compel the state to use an independent commission to draw districts fairly. If those cases are successful, we will learn that Texas has actually been a blue state for a good long time, with the people being held hostage by a hostile government.

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    6. Re: Houston by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't let the door hit you on your way out! Hopefully you're already gone.

    7. Re: Houston by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Don't let the door hit you on your way out! Hopefully you're already gone.

      You've never been to Houston, have you? I ask that because people who live here know it's a shit hole.

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    8. Re: Houston by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, it is definitely a red state despite your wetdreams. Statewide, Trump got 53% of the vote compared to Clinton's 42%.

    9. Re: Houston by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Uh, it is definitely a red state despite your wetdreams. Statewide, Trump got 53% of the vote compared to Clinton's 42%.

      It certainly is, but the young are far bluer in each generation, due to improved access to information. They've grown up around things like out-of-the-closet homosexuals and even if they are still opposed to the whole idea, they've seen first hand that it doesn't lead to the end of civilization as we know it. That's changing things despite your wetdreams.

      Of course, their board of education continues to attempt to compromise education sufficiently to preserve the state's redness, and that really has slowed down progress, but they can't prevent it forever. For one thing, there's just too much money in Texas. They actually have something to lose.

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    10. Re:Houston by pak9rabid · · Score: 1

      Having had a close-up look over the past year, I can attest that all of Texas is a shit hole

      Please spread the word to all your friends in California!

    11. Re:Houston by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Please spread the word to all your friends in California!

      I don't think you have to worry. Nobody who lives in California wants to move to Texas.

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  5. Texas hates working families by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doing this harms the taxi industry. We should support people that work to support their families rather than people wealthy enough to own a newish car that are just trying to make even more money.

  6. Finally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yay. Now maybe they'll stop astroturfing literally every Austin online presence.

  7. taxi robbery by KiloByte · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "another example of the legislature circumventing local control to allow corporations to profit at the expense of public safety."

    As opposed to taxi mafia bribing the legislature to profit at the expense of the public?

    Uber might have its flaws, but they're strictly better than taxi corporations (for everyone who's not a member of the taxi mafia, doesn't profit from selling medallions/etc, and doesn't get bribes^Wcampaign donation from said mafia).

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    1. Re:taxi robbery by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      As opposed to taxi mafia bribing the legislature to profit at the expense of the public?

      Yes. The Austin law was stupid and anti-competitive. But they have a right to be stupid, and if the citizens of Austin don't like it they can vote the incumbents out. If we give up local control just because a particular law is stupid, then we also give up local control on every other issue.

      The Texas legislature should keep out of local affairs, just as the Feds should keep out of state affairs.

      Disclaimer: I don't live in Texas, but I have been to Austin many times. I would MUCH rather live under the rule of the Austin city council than the Texas legislature, despite the stupidity of this particular law.

    2. Re:taxi robbery by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I see this as an attempt from the Texas state legislature to poke the Austin 'weirdos' (from their perspective) in the eye. "Haha nice try guys!"

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    3. Re:taxi robbery by SumDog · · Score: 4, Informative

      > Uber might have its flaws

      Have you been reading Slashdot? Every week there's a story about Uber. We know their work environment is over-competitive and toxic. They have a "Hell" map that uses fake accounts to show all rival ride-share driver locations (including Lyft and taxi companies with their own apps), several high ranking Uber staff have left this year, two women have written posts about sexual harassment, information about Greyball shows how they used tech to get around fines from local laws, Google is suing them for stealing self-driving tech ...

      Uber is terrible, their wages for drivers drop every year, they have a toxic business structure and yet no one seems to give a shit and still uses them with the "Uber might have its flaws" bullshit argument.

      Fuck Uber

    4. Re:taxi robbery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does that have to do with requiring finger printing of drivers; if its too much burden to finger print drivers then maybe they shouldn't be in the local market that requires that, but to have the state overturn the local voters(not politicians)

    5. Re:taxi robbery by Koby77 · · Score: 2

      Yes. The Austin law was stupid and anti-competitive. But they have a right to be stupid, and if the citizens of Austin don't like it they can vote the incumbents out. If we give up local control just because a particular law is stupid, then we also give up local control on every other issue.

      The Texas legislature should keep out of local affairs, just as the Feds should keep out of state affairs.

      No, the state decides what sort of local control to give. The constitution spells out state rights, but state laws and constitutions do not necessarily grant cities the right to decide on all issues, such as mass transit or the internet.

      States can let city control on issues such as policing, garbage collection, property zoning, and a whole bunch of other things. But the state doesn't need to give up all control, and when cities become bureaucratic nightmares for all of its other citizens, then the state is well within its rights to take that control away from the cities. You don't have a right to be stupid and interfere with the rights of all of the other citizens in the state, if the state says so.

    6. Re:taxi robbery by Koby77 · · Score: 2

      Have you been reading Slashdot? Every week there's a story about Uber. We know their work environment is over-competitive and toxic.

      Yet the customers seem to love it a lot better than the regular taxi service. It turns out that the corporate culture 1000 miles away doesn't affect the guy getting better service at a lower price. If you have a problem with the corporate culture, then fine, go to their corporate headquarters and complain. But don't interfere with the customer getting the product that they want.

    7. Re:taxi robbery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's still strange to me that Uber is the bad guy now, the years of fawning over all things Uber by Slashdot types having ended only fairly recently. Every squabble Uber had with municipal taxi services and their bought-and-paid-for city officials, every time some airport banned Uber the stories were met with outrage and vitriol for the legacy system and Uber was held forth as our savior.

      Maybe one day Telsa will fall out of favor with you people. Between the every-six-weeks-or-so "giga" factory stories about mistreated workers and Musk's purported alignment with Trump it seems like a real possibility. I never thought I'd see any love for Facebook around here either, but then the whole liberal groomed "news feed" rock got kicked over and suddenly there were all manner of posts defending Facebook's prerogatives as a private company. Since then Facebook has been successfully playing up the "fake news" angle and scoring more points with anti-Trump malcontents.

      So you never know. If Facebook can find some friends in libtard hateville anything can happen.

    8. Re:taxi robbery by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Note also the anti-Uber fake talking points suddenly get duplicated all over the place. For example, every Uber thread now contains the argument that the limited number of cabs in medallion taxi systems is good because if Uber were to be let into the market, thousands of new vehicles would magically pop into existence, overcrowding the streets and (Muahahaha!) satisfying consumer demand, driving riders away from the city's spotless and gleaming subway system.

      Pay no attention to the union shills behind the curtain.

    9. Re:taxi robbery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah yes, the illusion of recourse. You are presented with a limited number of candidates and you may find hundreds of issues to be very important to you, but you have to somehow pick the best candidate based upon the hope that they will follow through with their promise and you'll somehow call that recourse. So somehow if I cared about Uber being restricted and candidate A screwed me over on that, I can pick B or C, but if B and C both want to screw me over on high property taxes... now I have to figure out what is most important. Repeat ad infinitum for all of the issues and we quickly see how I really have no choice, no recourse, and I'm fucked no matter what. Oh and it gets better... I only get this opportunity once every few years, so I get to suffer with it....

      Yet somehow if McDonald's serves me cold fries, I have immediate recourse and don't ever have to deal with them again should I choose.

    10. Re:taxi robbery by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      No, the state decides what sort of local control to give.

      We are not discussing whether they DO, we are discussing whether they SHOULD.

      Of course they have the authority to usurp local control. That doesn't mean it is the right thing to do. It is also very hypocritical of the Texas Republican party to do this, since they hold themselves up as champions of decentralization.

    11. Re:taxi robbery by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 0

      It's still strange to me that Uber is the bad guy now

      Uber is not the bad guy. The Texas legislature are the bad guys. The Austin city government acted badly too. Uber fought back (and won), but they didn't start it. Uber should have been left alone.

    12. Re:taxi robbery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... doesn't profit from selling medallions ...

      It was the government's way of creating an oligopoly: The reduced competition allowed drivers to provide modern equipment and charge high prices. It's no different to Uber charging surge-prices and paying the driver a fixed rate.

      ... better than taxi corporations ...

      Let's look at some examples of a gig economy. When times are good, prostitution increases: Men have more money to spend on entertainment and capitalism means supply expands to meet demand. When times are bad, prostitution increases: When there's no work, women can't stop living so they perform the simplest job that provides a high reward and capitalism means that increased competition reduces prices. Now there's a base cost to living, so there will be a base cost for sex services. The problem being, base costs means operating costs only; in this case, food, shelter and clothing, transportation. Other costs, such as healthcare, pension, education, even taxes, stop being paid by contractors. As a result, society suffers even more because there is no safety net when a contractor can't work for a day. At this point, there is either emergency care like a charity, or people dying in the street.

      When people talk about a gig economy, they mean the first example, not the second, which is far more likely.

    13. Re:taxi robbery by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      And slaveowners loved owning slaves...

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    14. Re:taxi robbery by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      if its too much burden to finger print drivers then maybe they shouldn't be in the local market

      I really applaud Uber here, and everyone who objects to fingerprinting. If you commit a felony, then I may agree with fingerprinting you, but driving a car is not a crime. Get the government thugs the hell away from my fingers!

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    15. Re:taxi robbery by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The Austin law was stupid and anti-competitive. But they have a right to be stupid,

      Sure, but they don't have a right to be anti-competitive. In fact, that is illegal.

      I don't live in Texas, but I have been to Austin many times. I would MUCH rather live under the rule of the Austin city council than the Texas legislature, despite the stupidity of this particular law.

      What's interesting about that is that Austin PD is broadly considered to be not just one of the worst police forces in Texas, but one of the worst in the USA; although things have slacked off slightly of late, it's uncommon for APD to not be in the news for some instance of police brutality, wrongful arrest, or some combination of the two.

      My experience in Texas was that the cops are not the big problem, anyway. It's just normal citizens. My cop interactions in Texas were polite and rational, even when they knew I was a secret Mexican.

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    16. Re:taxi robbery by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Uber is terrible, their wages for drivers drop every year, they have a toxic business structure and yet no one seems to give a shit and still uses them with the "Uber might have its flaws" bullshit argument.

      Wages for taxi drivers are also net crap, I know two women who were raped by the same group of taxi drivers who had been reported repeatedly to both police and the taxi company... The problem with saying "Uber is bad" is that sure, they're bad, but so are taxi companies. If you're in some other country which is more sane than the USA and reading this, it might not make sense. You might even have trouble believing it. But the truth is that the entrenched taxi companies are generally fuckheads who break the law at every turn anyway, and they have purchased anticompetitive legislation which harms consumers in many markets in the form of medallion laws. If some city wants to limit taxis, they need to make the system a meritocracy and institute some meaningful review so that the medallions (or whatever) are allocated to the best drivers, not simply to those who are first in line or who have a million dollars to pony up for a medallion.

      TL;DR: Yes, Uber is shit. But the competition is also shit in many cases. Do you suggest people just stay home?

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    17. Re:taxi robbery by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

      Or perhaps the Austin government is more easily purchased by the taxi mafia than the state government.

      Either way, don't be hypocritical on this. I guarantee that you and ShanghaiBill will be complaining in the exact opposite direction about a larger government interfering with smaller ones whenever Congress begins to push its new bill overriding state/county level internet privacy laws.

    18. Re:taxi robbery by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Who's complaining?

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    19. Re:taxi robbery by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      But where exactly is the line between state and local affairs?

      Access to, and usage of, public roads is generally regulated at the state level; even where said roads are constructed or paid for at the city level. I don't goto a city or county agency to get my driver's license or to register my car, for example. The DMV is a state agency and, so far as I'm aware, that is the case in all 50 states. Cities and counties get to set speed limits and other traffic control rules; but only within limits. And I've never heard of a city passing a law along the lines of "FedEx may drive their trucks on the roads in city limits and deliver packages, but UPS is forbidden.". And I'd bet that any city that did so would get slapped down pretty hard, even if they tried to be clever with the wording so as to give plausible deniability the way Austin did. (In this case, the law would be more like: "Trucks and drivers painted or wearing that puke brown color may not drive on the roads or deliver packages in city limits.). So why should it be different when the city is legislating that Yellow Cab can operate on the roads, but Uber and Lyft cannot?

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    20. Re:taxi robbery by Cederic · · Score: 1

      You think we should let a piece of shit company exploit its workers and break multiple international laws so that the customer can get the product that they want?

      Fuck that, and fuck you for even suggesting it.

    21. Re:taxi robbery by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      LMOL yeah taxi mafia. As opposed to Uber circumventing law enforcement...give it up troll.

    22. Re:taxi robbery by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Spoken by the Uber troll....

    23. Re:taxi robbery by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      As opposed to the fake pro-Uber trolls....

    24. Re:taxi robbery by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Really? You sure it's not because they are held hostage by their cell phone....

    25. Re:taxi robbery by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Yo ass-hole, Uber is not competing. That's the fucking point. Uber claims they are not a taxi service. Uber claims they don't have employees, the drivers are contractors. When Uber competes on a level playing field, meaning they own up to being a taxi service with employees, THEN, we'll see if Uber provides a better service. Until then, fuck off!

    26. Re:taxi robbery by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      It's called background checks ass-hole. To make sure the passenger is safe and won't get murdered.

    27. Re:taxi robbery by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Yo ass-hole, Uber is not competing.

      Whose opinion are you renting? Of course they are.

      When Uber competes on a level playing field,

      Well, at least now I can see to where you've moved the goalposts, kiddo.

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    28. Re:taxi robbery by michael_wojcik · · Score: 1

      What is your obsession with hyphenating "asshole"? Are you... are you from the past?

      God damned time travelers taking our flame-war jobs.

    29. Re:taxi robbery by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Damn right! I am the final boss of the internet.

  8. Small government republicans win again! by mrmaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's quite frustrating to read, multiple times, how state government continues to override local municipalities. Another instance is in regards to city fracking ordinances. It's also worrisome that Texas has done nothing to reduce the bribes...sorry..I meant to say campaign contributions and the conflicts of interests that exist in the state senate. God, I just sent can't get enough of small government!

    1. Re:Small government republicans win again! by Koby77 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      With state law versus the federal government, the constitution enumerates certain states rights. That is, they defined the things for which the federal government controls, and left other issues to be decided for the states themselves. Not necessarily so with city rights. It is not the place of cities to carve out their own little fiefdoms for which large-scale projects such as the internet, energy projects, or mass transit, are things to which everyone else must be subservient. Cities are there to provide local services, such as police, fire, garbage collection, and perhaps some road repairs. When individual cities start stomping on the rights of state citizens, then it is well within the scope of the state to step in and restore those rights.

    2. Re:Small government republicans win again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is not the place of cities to carve out their own little fiefdoms for which large-scale projects such as the internet, energy projects, or mass transit, are things to which everyone else must be subservient.

      Private car hire isn't mass transport, so why shouldn't the city of Austin carve out their preferred model?

    3. Re: Small government republicans win again! by mrmaster · · Score: 1

      Sorry, Obviously the sarcasm in my post went over your head like a supersonic jet. Yes, states rights supersede cities and towns. However, my point was specifically in relation to the "small government" war cry that is shoved down our throats like a "please insert your own mad libs". The fact of the matter is I am sick of hearing about small government and "freedoms" when in reality the only freedom here is for Uber --by way of San Francisco--is to do a money grab by way of influencing whoeever serves their purpose.

    4. Re:Small government republicans win again! by DRJlaw · · Score: 2

      . It is not the place of cities to carve out their own little fiefdoms for which large-scale projects such as the internet, energy projects, or mass transit, are things to which everyone else must be subservient. Cities are there to provide local services, such as police, fire, garbage collection, and perhaps some road repairs. When individual cities start stomping on the rights of state citizens, then it is well within the scope of the state to step in and restore those rights.

      Ah yes.... the right level of government to decide an issue is, of course, the level of government that your party controls. Small government is great until someone is doing something that you don't like. Then big government under your control magically resumes being the answer.

    5. Re:Small government republicans win again! by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Arresting people and/or levying fines against people for giving each other car rides is not "small government".

    6. Re:Small government republicans win again! by thrich81 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It wasn't the faceless "City of Austin" which passed the ride sharing rules, it was Austin's voting citizens who passed the rules in a hard fought referendum where the ride sharing companies outspent their opponents by several times. So that's it -- the people WHO LIVE THERE wanted those rules. The State of Texas does have the legal right to overrule the expressed desire of the citizens of Austin, but why, just for spite (or bribes)? For the people that don't like the Austin laws and ways of doing business there are plenty of other places in Texas to move to; not any other big cities (except Fort Worth) as they all have similar politics now, but plenty of smaller cities with "real Texas values", but for various reasons those smaller places aren't seen as such desirable places to live. If the cities are there to "to provide local services, such as police, fire, garbage collection, and perhaps some road repairs", then what in heck is the State there for? The feds provide national defense and the Interstate highway system, the cities provide local services, the local school districts provide for the public schools. What is really left for the states?, mostly just corruption and overrepresentation of the rural areas , at least here in Texas.

    7. Re: Small government republicans win again! by Koby77 · · Score: 1

      Houston's regulations are neither "small government" nor the proper venue by which one should attempt to regulate internet companies.

    8. Re: Small government republicans win again! by zippthorne · · Score: 2

      They're not trying to regulate Uber's operations everywhere, though, just in Austin. Do you think they should not be able to define what a private car or taxi service is within the city limits and what requirements companies must meet in order to operate one there? Just because it's a pain for Uber to have to deal with local regulations doesn't mean that that's not the approprate place for those to occur.

      If the laws are unjustly stifling, it's a lot easier to change a local law than a statewide one.

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    9. Re: Small government republicans win again! by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They weren't just trying to *regulate* Uber and Lyft though. The ordinance in question specifically targeted them and was crafted so as to be so onerous as to drive them out of the market. Tellingly, it didn't include the legacy taxi companies in the regulations; only "transportation network companies".

      And it wasn't just background checks. There was a requirement to open up local offices, restrictions on Uber and Lyft picking up passengers at "special events", restrictions on automated surge pricing, a requirement to hold "community outreach events" whatever that was supposed to mean, a money grab, and (perhaps worst of all from a tech company's POV) a demand that Uber and Lyft hand over access to their internal rider and trip data to the city.

      And let's not forget: This was not a case of Uber and Left moving into an existing regulatory structure and demanding that the rules be changed because they were special or whatnot. Both companies had already been operating in Austin for some time. The city then imposed entire new regulations after the fact to target and drive away Uber and Lyft. That's corruption and regulatory capture (Remember, the ordinance targeted TNCs only, and excluded the legacy taxi corporations.) at it's worst. Perhaps this state law was not the best way to go about it; but Austin's city politicians really did need to be slapped down hard on this one.

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    10. Re:Small government republicans win again! by PPalmgren · · Score: 1

      I live in Charlotte, we have a similar problem with the state legislature in NC. While populous, Austin and Charlotte are very different from the majority of the landmass in the state and want to run themselves differently, while the state legislature sees it as a threat to their authority and an erosion to the nearby areas with their policies. Thus, they try their best hitting the nail down into the wood, no matter how angry it makes the citizens of those cities. There's a reason a lot of states have home rule for large cities, they should learn from them.

    11. Re:Small government republicans win again! by pak9rabid · · Score: 1

      It's also worth mentioning that the "people WHO LIVE (T)HERE)" were largely duped into voting for this bullshit because the wording on the ballot was written to be intentionally extremely confusing.

    12. Re:Small government republicans win again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love it when liberals whine about higher level of government imposing its will on lower levels of government.

  9. The "Goldilocks" level of government. by whoever57 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    State legislators continue to show that their concern for local government doesn't extend downwards from their own level.

    The Federal level is too high, the city level is too low. The state level is just right: the "Goldilocks" level.

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    1. Re:The "Goldilocks" level of government. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      State legislators continue to show that their concern for local government doesn't extend downwards from their own level.

      The Federal level is too high, the city level is too low. The state level is just right: the "Goldilocks" level.

      Some laws should be made at the state level. Just because a person thinks the state is the right level for law X (as opposed the the federal level) doesn't mean they think every law should be made at the lowest level of government.

      I take it from your choice of strawman that you believe some laws which states claim a right to make are better made at the federal level. Consider the following (silly) argument:

      Someone thinks law X should be made at the federal level, not at the state level. Clearly this person always wants laws made at the highest level possible. If the UN tries to make a world government that enforces law X, and that person opposes it, then they are a hypocrite. They ALWAYs want a higher level of government to regulate X, so clearly they should support world government over the US federal government on all issues.

      Your argument is silly for the same reason that argument is silly.

    2. Re:The "Goldilocks" level of government. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never thought I'd say this, but please send more Californians to Texas. If a few million more of you guys show up before early October of 2020 so you can vote in the November election, then maybe Texas will turn blue and help kick Trump out on his ass.

      And maybe in the mean time you can help us by gentrifying the small districts so we can vote out the state congress and get some laws passed to de-gerrymander the big cities.

  10. Government Small Enough by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    to drown in a bathtub comes to mind. My experience is that nobody's really opposed to the government telling people what to do; just so long as they already wanted to do it.

    Me? I see strong governments as inevitable; so instead of hunkering down and trying to make it go away I'm with Bernie et al and want to make it do good. It's like fire or, hell, nuclear power. Once it's out there you can't put the cat back in the bag. Better to just take control of it.

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    1. Re:Government Small Enough by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Once it's out there you can't put the cat back in the bag. Better to just take control of it.

      Yes, but we can't do that without changing its shape. I, for one, do not advocate for less government. I advocate for government which is more regionalized, and also for regions which make some kind of sense. Many of the state boundaries are also aligned with geographical boundaries, and make plenty of sense. But many other boundaries were rearranged for political reasons, and that's a lot of bollocks.

      There are only two legitimate political reasons to rearrange a boundary, if you don't count the creation of manageably sized voting blocs, and I do not because technology makes that irrelevant today. One is that the population has changed substantially such that the government no longer addresses the needs of its constituency, and the other is that the landscape has done the same. We should have more bioregional government organization, such that the people who live within a geographical region with its own particular needs are directly involved in its governance, and in solving its problems.

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    2. Re:Government Small Enough by udachny · · Score: 1

      I don't wish death to people but i do drive satisfaction reading certain obituaries. All socialists, all fascists fall into the category of giving me that pleasure.

    3. Re:Government Small Enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I and a bunch of other people disagree with you. It scares me that people like you don't seem to worry about the corruption that comes with big government. The U.S. government is responsible for so many problems in this world, and you want to make it bigger?!

      Why don't you and Bernie do a kickstarter, and fix the world with volunteers?

    4. Re:Government Small Enough by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Historically, geographic boundaries have problems. On a river, in the absence of strong central governments, the river people on both sides tend to be much alike, and interact with each other. Then the central governments say "Here's a river, we'll use it for a boundary" and the river people get split up. Ideally, jurisdictions should become more homogenous as they divide up from larger to smaller.

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  11. Re:Texas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The $1.6 trillion Texas economy is the second biggest in the U.S., behind only California" https://www.forbes.com/places/tx/
    Good luck with that without Texas California and New York.. the use would pretty much be a third world country

  12. HEY LIBTARDS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can still take taxis in Austin if Uber scares you too much!

    Choice is freedom, no need for your tiny minds!

  13. lol, by definition.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    by definition a strong government cannot be controled. Why? B'cos it's strong and will do wtf is best for its aparatchiks. Wosh. Give a monkey power and what do you think it will do with it? The West weren't dictatorships because they didn't want to be.

  14. Son, I don't think you understand how it works... by DeplorableCodeMonkey · · Score: 1

    Houston's mayor complained the new statewide rules handed down are "another example of the legislature circumventing local control to allow corporations to profit at the expense of public safety."

    The legislature didn't circumvent anything. They wielded the constitutional authority they have to regulate you as a subordinate political entity. If you want the sort of autonomy the states have against the federal government, then put forth a draft proposal for a state constitution that provides it.

  15. Lol Texas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This sort of shit is exactly why Texas sucks. They say they're mostly republicans who idealize small government then have nothing but pedantic laws and government overreach at every corner. As long as you call yourself a Christian, capitalist, and conservative you can do whatever the fuck you want to here, hypocrisy is the Texan way.

  16. The US is now a banana republic? by Jack+Zombie · · Score: 1

    That's totally bananas!

    Bananas!

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  17. THIS COMMENT WAS PAID BY UBER by Jack+Zombie · · Score: 1

    What's a "taxi mafia"? Is that like... a mix of Taxi Driver with The Godfather?

    Uber might have its "flaws" -- insignificant crimes, disrespect for the law and other illegal activity -- but at least it's not a mafi-- wait.

    Waiiiit.

    Illegal activity... That's what the mafia does! But the mafia does it in an organized fashion... Like a corporation. But they do it while operating above the law.

    And Uber doesn't operate above the law. It just changes the law. Like in a South America banana republic. The Uber States of America banana republic.

    But really, you guys, it's the taxi mafia! They're out to get us! RUN! With your feet! Because Uber is just as shitty, if not shittier, than getting a cab!

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    1. Re:THIS COMMENT WAS PAID BY UBER by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      The "taxi mafia" are the people that pay off the local politicians for access to the local market and medallions. They exist. That is how the taxi industry operates in the US. Sorry you are so clueless about life.

    2. Re:THIS COMMENT WAS PAID BY UBER by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      LMOL yeah ok Potsy.

  18. fake news in the title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they never prohibited. uber left on its own.

  19. Pro-free market, pro-federalism by jdavidb · · Score: 1

    I'm pro free market, and pro-uber, but I'm opposed to bigger governments having the authority to override local governments.

  20. But. But. But I thought conservatives LOVE/cherish by LazLong · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Oh. I see. They only love it when the Federal Government is instituting something they disagree with. Then it's all "States' rights!" and "Founding fathers!" But when it comes to conservatives imposing their will, they don't give a shit about the will of local political majorities.

    How convenient for them.

  21. Re: But. But. But I thought conservatives LOVE/che by LazLong · · Score: 1

    /. cut off (shortened) my title without any indication while writing it. It was:

    But. But. But I thought conservatives LOVE/cherish local control.

    I wish one could edit posts as can be done in other comment systems.

  22. Re:But. But. But I thought conservatives LOVE/cher by lgw · · Score: 2

    When it comes to the federal government, states should have more power. When it comes to local government, states should have more power. This seems perfectly straightforward, consistent, and exactly what any reasonable person would expect a state government to believe. Why are you confused?

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  23. Re:But. But. But I thought conservatives LOVE/cher by LazLong · · Score: 0

    Why? Every time a Federal law is passed that conservatives don't like they trot out the "States' Rights" flag and wave it around using the defintion of States' Rights to be the idea that local people are better able to govern themselves than some remote beast of a government in D.C. The same principle should hold true at the state level vs. counties and municipalities. Austin is a drop of Liberal society in a sea of rednecks and is surely better able to govern itself than a bunch of hicks representing other areas. What's good for the goose, etc.etc.

  24. Re:But. But. But I thought conservatives LOVE/cher by lgw · · Score: 1

    Maybe there's a clue in the first word of "States' Rights".

    Austin is a drop of Liberal society in a sea of rednecks and is surely better able to govern itself than a bunch of hicks representing other areas.

    Ah, a bigot.

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  25. Uber lost their own election, then stomped off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uber forced an election, which the citizens of Austin had to pay for, and then lost even though they set a record for dollars spent per vote. Then they abandoned their drivers, they abandoned their customers, and they took their ball and went home. Then they sent people to the legislature to pay bribes (lobby) and found some upstanding Republicans against big government to interfere with the will of the citizens. Fuck Uber, we're doing fine without them.

  26. Jade Helm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah, yes... Governor Greg Abbott, he of Jade Helm fame... activating the state militia to protect Texas from Obama's imminent invasion.

    What a tool.

  27. This is silly by Joe+Branya · · Score: 1

    As anybody with even a slight familiarity with Uber and Lyft knows, this argument about criminal checks vs fingerprinting is really about illegals trying to earn a living.

    Illegal immigrants and people on student and tourist visas with no U.S. work permit go to Uber, undergo a "criminal check"and drive for a living. A criminal check finds nothing because the person has no record at all. A fingerprint check to NCIS would show the person doesn't match the ID or is a visa-overstayer.

    None of these companies use the Federal secure ID system to see if the prospective "contractor" has a right to work in the U.S. They already know the answer. Cheap illegal labor is at the core of the Uber business model.

    Either the Texas legislature is full of really dumb people or they are the usual country club Republicans who want cheap, docile servants. I live in Texas. They may be lazy but they aren't dumb. Illegal are dirt cheap and don't talk back like American Blacks do.

    If Uber had to depend on American drivers they would be so short of drivers they would have to raise driver payments and prices- which would drive them out of business in short order..

    For the record I know people working for Uber on the "sign up new drivers" end and they live on bonuses and commissions. They know the score and that the drivers are not legally allowed to contract with Uber. This is just like the Wells Fargo scandal- employees are given financial incentives to get results and management looks the other way.

    Also the number of Uber "drivers" who seem to be working 23 hours/day would suggest they are "hot bunking" the cars and IDs- three guys using one car and one ID.

    This is a scam. Yo, Justice Department; subpoena the "criminal check" records from Uber in one city as a test and see how many of the drivers are using real names and are here working legally. Then use the usual conspiracy charges to work your way up the Uber chain to see how far the scam goes.

  28. Re:But. But. But I thought conservatives LOVE/cher by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like how the courts overrode the people's will in California over Prop 8.

  29. Regional government just gets picked apart by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    by mega corps. That's what "Small enough to drown in a bathtub" means. It's why it took our Federal Government stepping in to make the Civil Rights movement happen.

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  30. Well, at least you're clever enough by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    to understand there's a difference between socialism and fascism. There might be hope for you yet kiddo.

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