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Vint Cerf Reflects On The Last 60 Years (computerworld.com)

Computerworld celebrated its 50th anniversary by interviewing Vinton Cerf. The 73-year-old "father of the internet" remembers reading the early issues of the magazine, and reflects on how much things have changed since he gained access to computers at UCLA in 1960, "the beginning of my love affair with computing." I worry 100 years from now our descendants may not know much about us or be able to read our emails or tweets or documents because nobody saved them or the software you need to read them won't exist anymore. It's a huge issue. I have files of text that were written 20 years ago in WordPerfect, except I don't have WordPerfect running anywhere...

Q: Do you think [creating the internet] was your greatest accomplishment?

No. Getting it turned on was a big deal. Keeping it running for the last some odd years was an even bigger deal. Protecting it from hostile governments that want to shut it down and supporting new applications at a higher capacity are all evolutions. The evolution continues... I don't know if I can point to anything and say that's the biggest accomplishment. It's one big climb up the mountain.

Looking ahead to a future filled with AI, Cerf says "I worry about turning over too much autonomous authority to a piece of software," though he's not overly concerned, "not like Stephen Hawking or Elon Musk, who are alarmists about artificial intelligence. Every time you use Google search or self-driving cars, you're using A.I. These are all assistive technologies and I suspect this is how it will be used."

He also acknowledges that "I probably don't have another 50 years left, unless Ray Kurzweil's predictions come true, and I can upload my consciousness into a computer."

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  1. Vint, your vanity is comical. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Vint said : "I worry 100 years from now our descendants may not know much about us or be able to read our emails or tweets or documents because nobody saved them or the software you need to read them won't exist anymore. It's a huge issue."

    Most people are not going to have even the slightest interest in such stuff.
    The sad truth is that when you die, life will go on without you.

    Here's a poem Vint needs to read, after he takes a couple of Xanax chased with
    some 18 year old Macallan to soothe his por little ego.

    I met a traveller from an antique land,
    Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
    Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,
    Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
    And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
    Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
    Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
    The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
    And on the pedestal, these words appear:
    My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
    Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
    Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
    Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
    The lone and level sands stretch far away.

                                                          - Percy Shelley

    1. Re:Vint, your vanity is comical. by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      Ozymandias shouldn't have used MS Word.
      Proprietary formats are against Osiris' will.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    2. Re:Vint, your vanity is comical. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Vint said : "I worry 100 years from now our descendants may not know much about us or be able to read our emails or tweets or documents because nobody saved them or the software you need to read them won't exist anymore. It's a huge issue."
      He is not talking about himself.
      It's about being left with a pile of unreadable historical documents in general. None.
      No papers left for historical research.
      No poems left for you to refer to.
      Got it ?

    3. Re:Vint, your vanity is comical. by guises · · Score: 2

      What, seriously? Preserving records is vanity now? Personal correspondence makes up a great deal of historical source material, wanting to ensure that future people aren't blind to the past is not vain.

    4. Re:Vint, your vanity is comical. by Wootery · · Score: 3, Insightful

      the crap IPv6 design on the world, arguably one of the most expensive blunders in the history of technology

      Am I missing a /s?

    5. Re:Vint, your vanity is comical. by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 2

      Most people are not going to have even the slightest interest in such stuff. The sad truth is that when you die, life will go on without you.

      Yes they will. Do you think if we had the equivalent of emails from the 1500s they wouldn't be studied and written about? How about video of early man? Those would be precious, not ignored.

  2. Solid by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Interesting
    It's a good interview, the man is clear-minded and his ideas are still worth hearing. He focuses on networks, of course, since that is his interest. I like his quote about what drew him to programming:

    The thing that was the most attractive was that you could create your own little world inside the computer, and it would do what you wanted it to do. I found that ultimately beguiling Something that would happen in a machine in one place caused something to happen thousands of miles away and that was very interesting, too.

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    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    1. Re:Solid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's very easy in this era to forget what it was like to transition from lack of interactivity, to interactivity.

      I'm not as old as Vint, but still was an adult when personal computers started to appear in the middle 1970s. Before that, very few people ever experienced electronic interactivity. You had TV, which was a push only medium, and radio, similar. When the MITS Altair and other similar personal computing devices became available, it was a radical shift: suddenly a machine would take instructions from you and perform computations as you told it. (Back then, only you, since it predated the shift of control from individuals to the companies which sold the technology).

      It was a completely new experience for all but a very few who'd used 50's and 60's era mainframes, unlike any of the shifts since then to faster processing, better graphical abilities, sampled sound, etc etc.

  3. open standards versus proprietary by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

    I don't think it will be an issue to read many files because many of them use open standards. It's the closed source proprietary stuff that could be lost to time. However, it seems unlikely because we make emulators for all our dead hardware platforms and keep them accessible with their software.

    Really, I think the worst case scenario here is that people in the future think that Comic Sans was used for everything. ;)

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    1. Re:open standards versus proprietary by Kjella · · Score: 2

      I don't think it will be an issue to read many files because many of them use open standards. It's the closed source proprietary stuff that could be lost to time. However, it seems unlikely because we make emulators for all our dead hardware platforms and keep them accessible with their software.

      Yeah, I think if you have it as a file we'll find a way to decode it, it's transitory online services like web sites, streaming, online game servers etc. that will be "lost". And for preservation not editing I think we'll converge on relatively few and long lasting standards. Like lossy pictures => JPG, lossless pictures => PNG, audio => MP3 (or maybe AAC), video => MP4/H.264 (once the patents expire), documents/presentations => PDF/A. Despite the actual content being a clusterfsck many use standard base formats like XML or JSON. When you consider the absurdly vast amounts of information we generate compared to any past generation I think we'll be the most well preserve generation in history so far. If anyone cares to keep it, that is.

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      Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
  4. not the hive of scum and villainy you're looking 4 by epine · · Score: 2

    Over and over, I see people slag Wikipedia, and it's either:
    A) no specific claim that I can check out; or,
    B) specific claim, hopelessly overblown.

    Wikipedia is dysfunctional, but probably no worse than your average PTA meeting. In a city of 5 million inhabitants, you can probably find an opium den. In an encyclopedia of 5 million articles, you can probably find an opium den.

    Universal dispassionate agreement farts rainbow-farting unicorns.

  5. Re:Well you're the only one who can do anything... by uberdilligaff · · Score: 2

    How about his vaunted AI to the rescue? We can teach machines to read facial expressions -- why not train them to make sense of orphaned text with embedded formatting markup? After all, there's LOTS of material to train with.

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    Against stupidity, the Gods themselves contend in vain. --Friederich Schiller